Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Timmy: When the revolution happened, he was one of the top people on the list that they wanted to kill. They would literally get people and they were executed. My dad made it out. It’s just so much, so much insanity, and people are 80 to 90% of the people are fed up with it, and she has no legal rights. She can’t do anything legally.

[00:00:17] Timmy: You cannot divorce your husband if you don’t have a written permission when you are the daughter of, uh, minister of Justice and all you hear about in your life is politics. 

[00:00:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:00:28] Timmy: And that your life has changed because of politics. You just run away from that. 

[00:00:33] Aaron: Guys. Today, I have a wonderful, incredible human being.

[00:00:37] Aaron: Fatima, Timmy Evans Persian. Okay. Actually born in the United States, but decided immediately at one month old, I’m going back to Iran, and she told her dad, she likes to go rah. She said something, and they were back over there. So then her dad, when they moved back to Iran, actually became the minister. Of justice for the country of Iran right before the revolution.

[00:00:59] Aaron: That’s the [00:01:00] story we will be getting into. But as a note, Timmy has been working at the Church of Scientology for 15 years, Washington DC for over a decade. And now in Chicago, the new ideal org that was just open there, uh, which I was at the opening, which is amazing. So I just wanna say thank you for all that you do for humankind, for mankind, and we are so ready to be talking about everything about your life.

[00:01:27] Aaron: So welcome. 

[00:01:27] Timmy: Yeah. Woo. 

[00:01:29] Brad: Erin 

[00:01:30] Timmy: does great intros. You’re very welcome. And thank you for doing this. 

[00:01:33] Aaron: Of course. 

[00:01:33] Timmy: Yeah, 

[00:01:34] Aaron: of course. So, I wanna know first, like, and, and before you kind of talked a little bit about it, but it’s still a mystery. 

[00:01:41] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:42] Aaron: How and why were you born here and then you went immediately back to your mom?

[00:01:45] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:01:46] Timmy: You know, that’s a good question. I have, uh, my dad comes from a very, very intellectual family, you know, and he was the most intellectual out of all of them. One of his brothers was a professor at the University of Oklahoma and he had a big [00:02:00] family. And, uh, my dad was doing a lot of work in Iran. So my mom, uh, who was pregnant with me, came to the States with the two older, uh, my two older siblings who were going to like preschool there.

[00:02:12] Timmy: And, um, they wanted to learn who school there meaning in the United States? In the Oklahoma. Oh, in Oklahoma. Out of all places. Yeah. So they were learning English. And then my mom was pregnant with me. She had me, and within like a month or two. You were born in 

[00:02:24] Brad: Oklahoma? 

[00:02:25] Timmy: I was born in Oklahoma. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[00:02:27] Timmy: And then we just went back to Iran. It was, you know, that’s where our, 

[00:02:30] Brad: have you been back to Oklahoma since? 

[00:02:32] Timmy: Never. 

[00:02:33] Brad: Okay. Don’t go there. 

[00:02:34] Timmy: Really. 

[00:02:34] Brad: There’s nothing there. 

[00:02:35] Timmy: I, you know, I, the people I meet from Oklahoma are amazing. Sorry. Oklahomans. 

[00:02:39] Brad: No, Oklahoma. No, no, no. You’re not rescind my state. There’s nothing there.

[00:02:42] Timmy: Honestly. There’s some of the nicest people I’ve met, literally. 

[00:02:45] Brad: Oh, great people. 

[00:02:46] Timmy: Yeah, 

[00:02:46] Brad: very 

[00:02:46] Aaron: few 

[00:02:46] Timmy: of them. And I love seeing it in my passport, you know, or wherever. My birth certificate, Oklahoma. I fucking love it. So, there you go. That’s 

[00:02:54] Aaron: what, so, and, and, but, but why were you here? Like, why did you guys come like 

[00:02:57] Timmy: to the United States?

[00:02:58] Timmy: Yeah. Okay. So with [00:03:00] this is a thing, um, I lived in Iran till the age of eight. Mm-hmm. My dad had a very high position in the, in the government. And when I was eight, in 1979, the country was very, very, very unstable. And my dad knew what was happening. He was very close to the Shaw, the king at the time. Wait, 

[00:03:16] Aaron: wait, 

[00:03:17] Timmy: wait, wait.

[00:03:17] Aaron: We’re off track. 

[00:03:18] Timmy: Okay. What? 

[00:03:18] Aaron: Because eight years old is not when you were born. Like, like how, like why did you go to Yes. The US 

[00:03:24] Timmy: when I was a month old? Yeah. I told you. But before, before it 

[00:03:26] Brad: was the dad. It was because your dad was on the study program. 

[00:03:28] Timmy: Yeah. My dad was doing some work, you know, honestly, I don’t really know.

[00:03:31] Timmy: Okay. I don’t, I’m trying to get that question answered, so, you know. Okay, fine. I think it’s because my, my uncle was a university professor at, uh, in Oklahoma. 

[00:03:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:03:40] Timmy: And my mom was visiting with my older brother and sister. They were studying English to learn English. Visiting for, 

[00:03:48] Aaron: for fun. 

[00:03:48] Timmy: For what? Yeah. Oh, 

[00:03:49] Brad: wow.

[00:03:50] Timmy: So visiting and they had a lot of siblings there. You know, cousins happened to be 

[00:03:53] Brad: visiting while 

[00:03:54] Timmy: now happened to. That’s, 

[00:03:55] Aaron: I’m just, look, I’m just putting a conspiracy there. 

[00:03:58] Timmy: I think dads a smart guy. I think my 

[00:03:59] Aaron: dad [00:04:00] was smart. He’s like, I’m gonna have a daughter. She’s gonna be American. 

[00:04:02] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:04:03] Aaron: Like, whoops.

[00:04:03] Aaron: Honestly, and there you go. I think it’s, I think it’s, I mean, intellectual guy. 

[00:04:06] Timmy: You guy thought ahead. And that, that’s very possible because, because of me, my entire family got a passport and this was before nine 11 where it was very difficult. Passport 

[00:04:16] Brad: baby. 

[00:04:17] Timmy: Everybody in my family has a US passport. 

[00:04:19] Brad: Wow.

[00:04:19] Brad: Wow. 

[00:04:20] Timmy: Yeah. Not a green card. They all have passports. Wow. They’re all US citizens because of me. 

[00:04:24] Brad: Holy. 

[00:04:24] Aaron: Yeah. Because of one vacation to the US at the right time. 

[00:04:27] Timmy: That’s right. Yeah. And they’re amazing people, you know, doing good things in this country. 

[00:04:31] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:04:31] Timmy: And, and, you know, contributing. 

[00:04:33] Aaron: Brilliant. 

[00:04:33] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:04:34] Aaron: So, okay, good.

[00:04:34] Aaron: So we, we can all conclude. Your dad did a smart choice. That’s right. 

[00:04:38] Timmy: And we’re all legal. 

[00:04:40] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. Very legal birth is the most legal way you could get citizenship. That’s, that’s right. You know what I mean? Like that is, you know. 

[00:04:45] Brad: Yeah. It’s indisputable. 

[00:04:46] Aaron: So. 

[00:04:46] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:04:46] Aaron: Okay, so now let’s go back to where you were saying.

[00:04:48] Aaron: So yeah. So you went back and went back, 

[00:04:49] Timmy: um, around 

[00:04:50] Aaron: 10 when you were eight. 

[00:04:50] Timmy: Beautiful childhood. Mm-hmm. Beautiful family. Like my parents just always wanted the best at everything they could for their kids. Just beautiful. You know, my dad worked a lot. I didn’t see him a lot [00:05:00] on it. Mm-hmm. He’s a very high sense of duty towards his country.

[00:05:03] Timmy: So then I was eight and there was a lot of turmoil going on in Iran. A lot of turmoil. With Ayatollah Khomeini at the time, who was an exile at France, and they sort of led him back in Iran, which was a mistake. And my dad was like, okay, this is a state. Can I ask a 

[00:05:16] Brad: question? 

[00:05:17] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:05:17] Brad: What does ayatollah mean?

[00:05:18] Timmy: You know, that’s a really good, it’s, it’s a very like a holy name. We should Google it. I, Ayatollah means like, it’s a very, it’s, it’s above. It’s almost like you’ve got God and then you’ve got Ayatollah. Oh, it’s, it’s like between prophet and God kind of thing. 

[00:05:31] Brad: Oh, I got it. I got it. 

[00:05:31] Timmy: Yeah, but let’s look it up to make sure I’m not like, yeah, it’s, it’s like a very holy figure.

[00:05:36] Timmy: The king of Iran basically was ill at the time and he left Iran. My dad knew that two days after he left, my dad said, the country’s not safe for you guys. I’m gonna send you all to the south of France. You know, that was, we had some friends who lived there. My dad, my parents never came from money, but they did a lot for us.

[00:05:52] Timmy: You would think we had a lot of money ’cause they did everything they could for us to have the best education. So I’m gonna send you the South of France with some people. You’re gonna stay there. That [00:06:00] was two days after the king left. I need to stay. I cannot leave because this is my country. I can’t just bail.

[00:06:06] Timmy: I’m gonna do everything I can to save the country. 

[00:06:08] Brad: Wow. 

[00:06:08] Timmy: We never went back. I haven’t, I, that was supposed to be a one month trip to the south of France. Wow. Stay with some people to the country. Got stable. Few months later, there was a full-blown revolution. 

[00:06:19] Brad: Wow. 

[00:06:20] Timmy: So I’ve seen what’s happened in Iran. You know, it’s a, it’s a lot of suppression.

[00:06:24] Timmy: The regime got escalated where suppression got so bad that now 80% of the people, and this is not my statistic, this, you’ll see it in the news, 80 to 90% of the people are not happy with what’s happening in Iran. 

[00:06:37] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:37] Timmy: But this thing is, they’ve got these, their tentacles in, you know, the mm-hmm. So the US is now trying to handle it.

[00:06:43] Timmy: So we’ll see what happens. 

[00:06:45] Wow. 

[00:06:45] Timmy: So I’ve been, I, yeah. So I lived in France till I was, uh, my parents, as I said, they did everything to give me a great education. Went to best boarding schools in Switzerland. You know, the whole nine yard. And they, I went to George Washington University for college. ’cause for them, that was like [00:07:00] the best thing they could do for 

[00:07:01] Aaron: me.

[00:07:01] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:02] Timmy: And so what happened is that, 

[00:07:04] Aaron: did you live with your mom? 

[00:07:05] Timmy: Did I what? 

[00:07:06] Aaron: Live with your mom? 

[00:07:07] Timmy: I lived with my mom, uh, interestingly enough when I was in college. Yeah. I did live with her. She was, I would live with my parents. Like I was probably, yeah, I lived with my parents when I was in college.

[00:07:17] Timmy: And, and 

[00:07:17] Aaron: before like growing up, like you, yeah. She stayed with you. She didn’t go back and see your dad even 

[00:07:21] Timmy: pro? No, no, no. He was able to escape eight months later actually. Oh. My dad was able to escape. It was, um, 

[00:07:26] Brad: to escape, like, 

[00:07:27] Timmy: actually, yeah, he had to escape because at that point there was a revolution full blown.

[00:07:31] Timmy: So what does 

[00:07:32] Aaron: that mean? Like mm-hmm. Which let’s 

[00:07:34] Brad: yeah, 

[00:07:34] Aaron: dial that in because I really, I’m so like revolution in, you know, 1979 I think it was or something. Like, I know nothing about this. So like, what, what, what’s occurring? 

[00:07:43] Timmy: Because it is interesting, you don’t hear a lot of revolutions. You had like the French Revolution.

[00:07:47] Timmy: This was a, a, a real revolution. What happened is that, um, something mainly people may not know at the time. 70 to 80% of Iranians were not educated. They couldn’t read or write. So, you know, when people don’t have knowledge, it’s sort of easy to [00:08:00] manipulate them. 

[00:08:00] Brad: Absolutely. Oh my God, that’s, 

[00:08:02] Timmy: yeah. And now because of the internet, most people are educated, you know, so the, the, the king underestimated, Ayatollah Khomeini, AYA Khomeini was, and who knows what, whatever else was going on politically.

[00:08:14] Timmy: Mm-hmm. You know, there’s so many things that happened that you’re not aware of. So I’m not gonna say what may or may have not happened, but what I saw was he was underestimated. He was a very religious man. And, um, he had, he started having a following, like a big following. And I’m sure he was helped.

[00:08:30] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:08:31] Timmy: By who knows who. And it was, it was huge. And there was other things that occurred. Uh, you know, the third party law? 

[00:08:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:40] Timmy: There’s certain things that occurred. Um, 

[00:08:42] Aaron: so let’s go into that. 

[00:08:43] Timmy: You wanna go into that? 

[00:08:44] Aaron: Yeah. This is for, I mean, people here have never heard this. 

[00:08:46] Yeah. 

[00:08:46] Timmy: Very 

[00:08:47] Aaron: likely. 

[00:08:47] Timmy: This 

[00:08:47] Aaron: is a new idea.

[00:08:48] Timmy: So in order for there to, uh, a quarrel or a fight or a war, there has to be a third party causing that. Okay. So at the time, the [00:09:00] king, um, 

[00:09:01] Brad: this is a rule, by the way, is a rule. This was discovered by our Ron Hubbard. 

[00:09:04] Aaron: I’ll, I’ll, I’ll put it in the, in the notes. I don’t know the link to this. Oh. But it’s gonna be down there.

[00:09:09] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:09:10] Aaron: Um, 

[00:09:11] Brad: our thing 

[00:09:11] Aaron: is, Aaron 

[00:09:11] Brad: knows 

[00:09:12] Aaron: all 

[00:09:12] Brad: the links to all the Scientology slash 

[00:09:14] Aaron: but this is a third party law. 

[00:09:16] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:16] Aaron: And in order for the coral to exist, and I don’t know it verbatim, but it has to be an. Known third person who is fanning and creating the fight 

[00:09:24] Brad: Uhhuh 

[00:09:25] Aaron: doesn’t mean you don’t know them.

[00:09:26] Aaron: Obviously you’ve met them or you, you know, 

[00:09:28] Brad: interact with 

[00:09:28] Aaron: them, talked to them. 

[00:09:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:09:30] Aaron: But you don’t see that that person is creating this fight. 

[00:09:32] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:09:33] Aaron: And, and if you’re going and trying to resolve a problem and resolve a problem, resolve a problem, and it never is resolving, there could be a reason why. And so then that is where you can check out this is you have the full link to the full text of that Un Scientology tv, which I’ll put the link to below.

[00:09:48] Aaron: But anyway, 

[00:09:48] Brad: there’s also a great video that illustrates it. It’s like a 20 minute, 

[00:09:51] Timmy: it’s the vault ministers.org. Exactly. 

[00:09:53] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:09:54] Timmy: So, and that’s, it’s, it’s, it’s very difficult, especially if you don’t know who that third person in and where it’s coming from. [00:10:00] So the king of Iran at the time, you, you can look it up.

[00:10:03] Timmy: Iran was flourishing and prospering and, you know, you, the king would go see the Kennedys. I mean, it was a beautiful country. Westernizing very rapidly. 

[00:10:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:10:12] Timmy: And the education system, things were growing. It was just, you know, you, if you look at pictures from the s. Iranian women and, and it was just lots of glamor and, you know, beautiful.

[00:10:22] Timmy: Mm-hmm. Very, very chic and very stylish. So 

[00:10:25] Brad: it actually seen, I’ve seen pictures like on, uh, the X platform. I’ve seen a lot of this. Yeah. Like look what Iran was previous. Yeah. And look what it is now. It reminded me of like, almost like a, like a eighties Dubai. 

[00:10:36] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:10:36] Brad: Like what Dubai is now. That’s right.

[00:10:38] Brad: It was almost like that was what Iran was trending towards at the time. Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:41] Timmy: And at the time, it’s interesting, people in Dubai looked up up a lot to Iranians and a lot of Dubai people from Dubai who are, uh, like really from Dubai, originate from Iran, and they’re very proud of that heritage. Wow. Very proud of that.

[00:10:55] Timmy: ’cause I did go to Dubai years ago. I, I’m 55, I was in my twenties, and I would tell [00:11:00] people I’m Iranian. 

[00:11:01] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:11:01] Timmy: And they would be so excited to talk about the artists and everything, you know. Wow. 

[00:11:05] Brad: Well, the, the culture of, of Iran, like before it was, uh, Iran, it was Persia. 

[00:11:10] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:11:10] Brad: Right. And the Persian Empire basically dominated like.

[00:11:17] Brad: The known world, at least in like the Mediterranean area. 

[00:11:20] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:20] Brad: Mm-hmm. For many, many centuries. 

[00:11:21] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:11:22] Brad: So that 

[00:11:23] Timmy: the Persian Empire was huge. A a lot of people still refer to as Persia, and it’s not incorrect because we’re proud of that heritage. But that’s until, you know, Alexander the Great mm-hmm.

[00:11:31] Timmy: Great from Greece came and, you know, massacred us. But I, the Iran, what’s interesting about the Persian empire, it’s historians will talk about it at, it’s an unusual thing at how rapidly it gained to power. Yeah. So they, it didn’t stay long, but it gained power, went to power very rapidly. Mm-hmm. So a lot of historians are very fascinated by how did they do that?

[00:11:53] Timmy: You know, we did rule the world, you know, a lot of the poets and, and amazing, you know, art and it, the culture is [00:12:00] beautiful. And unfortunately, as they say, history is written. 

[00:12:02] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:02] Timmy: So, um, a lot of times by the winners. By the winners, yeah. So the Persians are always by the winners, the backers, the Persians are always No.

[00:12:09] Timmy: The barbarians. 

[00:12:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:12:10] Timmy: Yeah. And we couldn’t, you couldn’t have more sophisticated culture, you know, we’re very proud of our culture. 

[00:12:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:12:15] Timmy: So, yeah. 

[00:12:16] Aaron: The third party’s at work. 

[00:12:17] Timmy: The third party’s at work. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. And now I think the, the population of Iran was 30, 36 million when I left in 1979.

[00:12:26] Timmy: Now it’s 90,000,009 zero. Nine zero. Yeah. And you have, I know a lot of babies. 

[00:12:33] Brad: That seems like 

[00:12:34] Timmy: it’s a 

[00:12:34] Brad: lot. That seems like 

[00:12:36] Aaron: no 

[00:12:36] Brad: perfection. Way above, above normal though, right? 

[00:12:38] Timmy: It’s a lot. Yeah. I think it’s a lot. Yeah. 

[00:12:40] Brad: Like the population of the US is like 350 million in 1980. It wasn’t a hundred million people.

[00:12:46] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:12:46] Brad: Goodness. No. 

[00:12:47] Aaron: Yeah. No, it’s three x. 

[00:12:48] Brad: Yeah. But we’re not having babies, dude. 

[00:12:49] Timmy: Yeah. Not a 

[00:12:49] Aaron: lot. I mean, we’re trying 

[00:12:50] Brad: to fix this. There’s so many babies. 

[00:12:52] Timmy: It’s a lot of babies. And the thing is, it’s a lot of smart babies because the majority of the country, way more than the majority, the, the two statistics that I keep hearing is [00:13:00] 80 to 90% of the people are unhappy with what’s happening.

[00:13:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:04] Timmy: So when recently President Trump went and took out ham, the new leader. They were cheering, they were screaming and happy in the streets. Wow. ’cause they haven’t had any freedom. The, the human rights violation is beyond. If I could, if I told you what a quote from the main leader, what he said, tell us your jaw will drop.

[00:13:24] Timmy: This is Khomeini, the initial one. This is a, a translation. 

[00:13:27] Brad: This is the guy that Trump 

[00:13:29] Timmy: No, no, no, no. This, this is a successor. The Ho Homa Khomeini was original. He died of natural causes in 1989. This is a quote from him. If a woman is in prison and she’s a virgin, she must be raped. So when she dies, she goes in hell.

[00:13:46] Brad: Wow. 

[00:13:46] Timmy: That is a leader. Yeah. That is a leader of a country saying that You could look it up. 

[00:13:50] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:13:51] Timmy: Those are his words, but I’m just translating it to you. I know. It’s very solemn. So I am, I want my country to be free and um, you know, so 

[00:13:58] Aaron: he’s. [00:14:00] He just hates women. 

[00:14:01] Timmy: It, there’s a, the, the human rights violation over there on women is beyond anything you can ever, ever imagine, ever imagine a 13-year-old is told to her doll is taken away from her.

[00:14:12] Timmy: Right? 

[00:14:13] Aaron: At 13 

[00:14:14] Timmy: or not every single one. I’m just giving you one, one example. It could be, I think it’s as early as nine. That law changed as early as nine. But I’m gonna give you 13. ’cause I know a story that I saw. Parents are like, put your doll down. You’re marrying this guy. Okay? She marries this guy. He brings women and sleeps with them.

[00:14:33] Timmy: With her. There not not, and she is crying. Crying. She ends up in a mental institute. Do you blame her? Like she’s going crazy and she wants to go home to her parents. Okay. So these are stories and she has no legal rights. She can’t do anything. Legally, you cannot divorce your husband if you don’t have a written permission.

[00:14:55] Timmy: So the, the human rights violation in Iran, hold on, 

[00:14:57] Aaron: hold on. 

[00:14:57] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:14:58] Aaron: Yeah. [00:15:00] So if you happen to be born into a male body, a boy, you’re a man 

[00:15:06] Timmy: mm-hmm. Or 

[00:15:07] Aaron: whatever. Mm-hmm. You and you’re 13. Mm-hmm. Nothing happens. You don’t marry anybody. 

[00:15:10] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:10] Aaron: It’s just you live on life. Mm-hmm. As, as a person, if you are a woman, female, born into a female body, you turn 13 and you no longer have rights or whatever age.

[00:15:24] Timmy: I mean, it depends a lot on your parents too. But by law, if someone marries you, you have no rights. You cannot divorce that man. 

[00:15:30] Aaron: Oh. After you marry 

[00:15:31] Timmy: Well, yeah. I mean, if, if, if you get married at 13, but women in general don’t have rights in Iran. Yes. 

[00:15:36] Aaron: So, so like, how does someone, like, I mean, you, you didn’t grow, like have your babies there.

[00:15:43] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:43] Aaron: But like, how does a parent, they have a child, are they forced to marry off this? 

[00:15:50] Timmy: No. 

[00:15:50] Aaron: Baby. 

[00:15:51] Timmy: No. So I’m saying no, that’s, it depends on the parents and the upbringing, but it is part of the mentality that. If, if the parents decide [00:16:00] that they want their daughter to marry this person, the the child has no, right?

[00:16:03] Timmy: No. Why would a parent 

[00:16:03] Aaron: ever do that? Like how does, why, why? ‘

[00:16:05] Timmy: cause it’s an insane society. It’s insanity that needs to be, you know, fixed. It’s so much, so much insanity. And people are 80 to 90% of the people are fed up with it. They are fed up, but they’re 

[00:16:18] Aaron: doing it. Is this a comment, like, do you believe that, I mean, again, I don’t know.

[00:16:21] Aaron: You’re not there right now. You have ’em minute there, but like internet, internet is cut off there right now, right? There’s no internet. 

[00:16:27] Timmy: Uh, it goes on and off. I don’t know. I tried not to watch the news too much, but it on and off. 

[00:16:30] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:16:30] Timmy: It’s on and off from 

[00:16:31] Aaron: when I heard that they 

[00:16:32] Timmy: shut 

[00:16:32] Aaron: off a 

[00:16:33] Timmy: power.

[00:16:33] Timmy: There’s a blackout. They, yeah, there’s a blackout. Yeah. 

[00:16:35] Aaron: Well, let’s say before, let’s call, call it a year ago. 

[00:16:37] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:16:40] Aaron: Do most, or actually a large portion of people are marrying off their daughters? Like in the story that you’re saying, is this like a, a rare, isolated case, or is it just a common thing to be like, well, you know what, you’re a grown woman now, or you’re not even a woman.

[00:16:53] Aaron: Maybe you’re an object. Or like, what, what’s the. It’s 

[00:16:56] Timmy: how, how, how, how, how, like, how often does it happen? How 

[00:16:59] rampant 

[00:16:59] Timmy: is [00:17:00] this? It’s, it’s not an isolated case. It does happen. Now, if I told you that 80% of the people are against this, then 80% of the people are not gonna do that. Mm-hmm. But it is a mentality, and it is a thing.

[00:17:09] Timmy: It happens enough that there is enough human violation of women rights, violation of women. 

[00:17:14] Brad: It, 

[00:17:15] Timmy: it does happen. It is not like a one case thing. 

[00:17:18] Brad: And my, my understanding of it, I could be wrong, but my understanding of it is the fact that it’s protected by the law. 

[00:17:24] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:17:24] Brad: That activity is legal. 

[00:17:25] Timmy: That’s right.

[00:17:26] Timmy: It’s legal. It’s 

[00:17:26] Brad: protected by the law. 

[00:17:27] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:17:28] Brad: So anyone that’s suing it, it’s not like, look at how wrong this is. They should be. It’s like, no, no. And in that land, it’s perfectly. That’s, I think, the major point. So let’s, it’s 

[00:17:37] Aaron: 20% of people, but then they can just do it. Imagine if 20% of people can just do 

[00:17:41] Brad: openly about it, brag 

[00:17:42] Timmy: about it, whatever.

[00:17:43] Timmy: Yeah. It wasn’t like that when I lived there, just so you know. Not this is the whole thing. So there’s a lot going on right now. Trump is trying to take everyone out, but there’s a lot of confusion because a lot of, as I said, how do you get rid of all that? Even though the majority of people aren’t happy.

[00:17:57] Timmy: It’s there. It’s deep in, you know, and, and [00:18:00] one good thing is to be able to have Scientology there. Uh, Iran is a country that doesn’t have Scientology, so that is really, I’m serious. The only solution, the only solution is to have Scientology in Iran. 

[00:18:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:18:11] Timmy: You know, way to happiness, uh, some of the booklets that we have, that is the only solution.

[00:18:16] Brad: Why, why, why do you say that? That’s probably real to us. Yeah. But so somebody’s watching, it’s like, what do you mean Scientology is a solution to that? 

[00:18:22] Timmy: Yeah, so this is the, one of the reasons I got into Scientology. I started getting what’s called spiritual counseling. My life changed immediately. And then I did something called the purification rundown.

[00:18:34] Timmy: Even though I didn’t do a ton of drugs, I hung out with a lot of people who did. So as a result, I did do a ton of drugs just compared to them. I didn’t. So I literally, after I sweated these out, like I was a new person, I was like, I wanna, I wanna deliver this. I wanna learn how to do this. This is the answer.

[00:18:50] Timmy: You know? So I, I was like, sign me up. I joined staff right away and I became, uh, in charge of delivering that program for three years. 

[00:18:57] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:58] Timmy: Wow. My life changed so [00:19:00] drastically that I, uh, joined staff and it’s been over 20 years now that I’ve been using Scientology in my life. And it’s helped every single aspect of my life.

[00:19:10] Timmy: I, um, let me just back up a little bit, right? One second. 

[00:19:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:19:14] Timmy: So I had a great upbringing, beautiful family. My parents did everything they could for me. They kind of laid it out for me. Great school, great college, everything. 

[00:19:24] Aaron: And are, and are they, this, I know this is before this, this regime change in the revolution.

[00:19:29] Aaron: Were they religious people? 

[00:19:31] Timmy: Not at all. My, my grandma was, she lived with us. She prayed five times a day, but my parents, no, not at all. 

[00:19:36] Aaron: Okay. And your grandma, what, what religion was she born? 

[00:19:38] Timmy: My grandma was Muslim. Like the majority of people, she lived with us. She was a beautiful woman. She, she prayed and she always told me, be good to people, treat people well.

[00:19:46] Timmy: It was nothing weird. She, my, you know, it was a common thing if you, you know, that he was the oldest son and my, his mom lived with us, you know? Okay. 

[00:19:53] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:54] Timmy: And one of his sisters who never got married, lived with us too. And they were beau, they had a beautiful room. I would go hang out with them and, you [00:20:00] know, very lots of freedom in my country back then.

[00:20:02] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:02] Brad: Okay. Yeah. 

[00:20:02] Timmy: So anyhow, so I had this beautiful, almost path laid out for me, and I was in college and I really didn’t really have a purpose. I didn’t even know you had to have a purpose. Mm-hmm. You know, I went to art, I studied art and art history and, um, I was just had such a beautiful life and so much freedom.

[00:20:17] Timmy: I didn’t really think, and I was a little bit of a rebel, you know, like my, my, my sister’s a lawyer. My, my brother’s a, you know, a businessman. He went to. Business school. I was a rebel. I was like, I, I, I just wanna have fun. You know? I wanted to, to me, that was a good enough purpose to have fun. 

[00:20:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:34] Timmy: Yeah.

[00:20:34] Timmy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would just go to nightclubs and I had all these fun friends, and every night, 3:00 AM. But one thing that I really wanted, which is a good thing, I always knew I wanted to be married and have kids. 

[00:20:45] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:20:46] Timmy: That’s always what I, and I was like, that was what I wanted to do, but this is this, this is the path to having, being married and having kids, and this is where I was going.

[00:20:53] Brad: Right, 

[00:20:54] Timmy: right. Completely opposite directions, you know, not looking for the right. I, because I didn’t know. [00:21:00] So I found Scientology when I was 32. My life instantly changed. All the answers, all the mistakes I was making became clear to me. It was very clear that I was not going the right direction to pursue that, that beautiful goal of having kids and being married.

[00:21:16] Timmy: That’s all I really wanted, honestly. You know, and, uh, and I, and I think it was a good thing that I wanted that and, and, 

[00:21:22] Aaron: and Absolutely. 

[00:21:23] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:21:23] Aaron: And how, how did you encounter Scientology? 

[00:21:25] Timmy: Okay, so I worked for a, somehow I was really good at making money. It wasn’t a problem. I would work, you know, I spoke four languages, so I, you know, the people hired me.

[00:21:34] Timmy: I worked at a, whoa, 

[00:21:35] Aaron: whoa, four languages. We, we missed that in the bio. What, what do you speak what four languages 

[00:21:39] Timmy: speak. I speak Iranian, which is Farsi. I speak English, I’m fluent in French and I speak Spanish. ’cause I went to school and you learn. Wow. And I worked in a kitchen and you learned Spanish in the kitchen.

[00:21:48] Timmy: Yeah. I love seeing all your stuff, by the way. Yeah, yeah, 

[00:21:51] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:21:52] Timmy: So I, you know, so I worked as a office manager for a chiropractor and we happened to have a consultant who was a Scientologist and [00:22:00] he, David Singer. I know you may have heard of it. 

[00:22:01] Aaron: Yes, of course. Yeah. 

[00:22:03] Timmy: I’ve met him. So he was like talking about auditing and I’m like, it, someone did a personality test with me and I’m like, wow, this is amazing.

[00:22:10] Timmy: How do you know all these things about me? And I literally was that, that, wanna do this? So I started the auditing. Honestly, I wanted to help people too, which is why I worked at the chiropractor’s office. It was a very kinda cutting edge chiropractor. Lots of nutrition and things, you know, that. But I was like, all in, it was just such a powerful thing, you know?

[00:22:28] Timmy: Yeah. It really, I saw all the mistakes I had made in my life. So I did finally get myself replaced, and then I did the purification run, and at that point it was the right time to join staff. 

[00:22:38] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:22:39] Timmy: At that point, I joined staff. I met my husband almost immediately. Hmm. We literally got married within a few weeks of dating.

[00:22:45] Timmy: Wow. Not that. Wow. 

[00:22:46] Aaron: Well, because you knew what you wanted to do. 

[00:22:47] Timmy: We knew what I wanted and he was the right guy and he knew what he wanted. We weren’t gonna mess around. It wasn’t this like, oh, dating or whatever. We, we, and that was it. And we were both, he was also, did you say you 

[00:22:57] Aaron: were not gonna mess around or you 

[00:22:58] Timmy: were gonna mess around?

[00:22:59] Timmy: We weren’t gonna mess around. Did not. [00:23:00] Okay. Not 

[00:23:00] Aaron: that you meant you messed around and then 

[00:23:01] Timmy: No, I did not. And then you had a 

[00:23:02] Aaron: baby. 

[00:23:02] Timmy: No, no. Me. Okay. Okay. 

[00:23:05] Aaron: I was just checking out. I was just checking what you meant, but 

[00:23:06] Timmy: Okay. Yeah, that too. But, um, so we both knew what we wanted and he didn’t wanna, you know, play games.

[00:23:12] Timmy: We, we knew and he was really cute, and we just kind of started flirting. We knew what we wanted. It aligned. It was very fast because we were very direct with what we both wanted. And then we got married and we were both on staff together. Wow. And we had our three kids on staff. And during the time of being on staff, I saw all the solutions that Scientology has.

[00:23:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:32] Timmy: Did you know that we have solutions to every single problem that mankind has, organizations have, countries have, we have problems, uh, solutions to all those problems. 

[00:23:43] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:44] Timmy: In every single organization. So I became passionate about not only myself and getting better myself and improving myself, but getting the solutions in the hand of others.

[00:23:55] Timmy: ’cause the only thing is people don’t know. Yeah. So, so they, once they know and, [00:24:00] uh, your life changes just the same way minded. And that’s why I’m saying in Iran, the only thing that I can see, the only solution is allowing Scientology to go in there so these people can find out how to fix their problems.

[00:24:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:24:13] Timmy: One by one. 

[00:24:15] Aaron: Nice. 

[00:24:15] Brad: Wow. Amazing. 

[00:24:17] Aaron: And was this, this, your, the chiropractic and all that stuff was in, uh, Washington, DC 

[00:24:22] Timmy: Virginia, very close. 

[00:24:23] Aaron: Okay. Virginia. Close in Virginia. 

[00:24:25] Timmy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:24:25] Aaron: And so now in Washington, DC right. I mean this is, you’ve been around diplomats in your life, right? Your father Yeah. Was a diplomat.

[00:24:33] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:24:33] Aaron: So like how, what do you see in Washington DC 

[00:24:38] Timmy: You know, that’s where 

[00:24:39] Aaron: you’re really good. 

[00:24:40] Timmy: It’s a really good question, but you know, it, it is a really good question. But what you thing you have to know is when you are the daughter of, uh, minister of Justice and all you hear about in your life is politics.

[00:24:51] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:24:51] Timmy: And that your life has changed because of politics. You just run away from that. Mm-hmm. You know, you don’t really wanna have anything to do with it. The first time [00:25:00] I ever actually even voted was three terms ago. Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:03] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:25:03] Timmy: Um, I, I, you know, because people would come to our house when my dad was alive, they wanted to hear his stories because he had stories that no one else had.

[00:25:10] Timmy: So. And all I would hear was politics, the King and Iran. And, and now I almost regret I wanna be there and as well attention more on those stories. But you wanna, you just don’t wanna have anything to do with politics when you, you, you’re in that country and I was never, you know, so 

[00:25:26] Aaron: we need to hear one of the stories.

[00:25:28] Timmy: So my dad was very close to the king of Iran. They spoke often, you know, 

[00:25:33] Aaron: and, and, and could you give, uh, actually I realize we don’t have your dad’s name. 

[00:25:37] Timmy: Mo Mohammad Bahari. Doctor Mohammad. ’cause when you’re a PhD, they call you doctor. 

[00:25:41] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:25:41] Timmy: She’s also a professor of law in Iran. Dr. Mohamad. Bahari. 

[00:25:45] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:25:46] Timmy: So he is very close to the king and very, very passionate.

[00:25:49] Timmy: And 

[00:25:49] Aaron: which king is this? 

[00:25:50] Timmy: The king of Iran, the Shah. This is during the revolution. This is the Shah that was overthrown. 

[00:25:55] Brad: What was his name? 

[00:25:58] Timmy: Avi Pa is the royal [00:26:00] last name. 

[00:26:00] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:26:00] Timmy: But we go by s Shah. Sha means king in Iran. Mm-hmm. So if you say he’s the s Shah of Iran, people know who you’re referring to 

[00:26:06] Aaron: now.

[00:26:07] Aaron: But is, was he the only one for, ’cause now is there one now there’s 

[00:26:10] Timmy: different one. No, now is, now is the, the Islam now the, the guy who was there, the Ayatollah 

[00:26:16] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:26:16] Timmy: Was killed by And there was 

[00:26:17] Aaron: no, there was no leader there. 

[00:26:18] Timmy: Leader. One that was leader. That is the leader before 

[00:26:21] Aaron: was different. So the last, the last Shah.

[00:26:23] Timmy: The last Shah is the, Shah was this gentleman. There was this gentleman, yeah. Okay. And after that he was, it was a revolution. The Ayatollah, who you got to them, it’s like God. And you know, he is like a very close to the prophet and he was just taken out. But there’s a whole group of them, you know? 

[00:26:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:26:38] Timmy: And so my dad was very, you know, a very strong sense of duty to his country.

[00:26:44] Timmy: And uh, he worked very hard. He really. Really wanted his country to do well. And he was very royal. He was very loyal to the royal family and the, the, the king. So this is a story that I didn’t hear from him, but I’ve heard from several people is that when this was occurring, the [00:27:00] Shah wanted to leave. He was ill.

[00:27:01] Timmy: He was not, not a lot of people didn’t know it at, and it wasn’t well. And my, my dad got on his knees and said, please don’t leave. Don’t leave. Don’t leave. The people need you. And, um, he’s like the, the person who’s gonna be in power, he does, he’s, he cannot, he’s not, he’s too weak to, to, to handle what’s happening right now.

[00:27:19] Timmy: Please don’t leave. Don’t leave. And the king said, um, that, you know, I don’t think that people want me anymore. I think they’ve been counting the minutes for me to leave. I don’t think, wow. You know, these are the people who see the, the picture of the Aya Khomeini in the moon. What, what? They don’t want me, you know?

[00:27:39] Timmy: But he was weak. And there’s one thing we have in Scientology that is called PTS, potential Trouble Source. Yes. When people are ill. And as a Scientologist, I knew that’s what was happening. That’s why I know if we had Scientology, we would’ve been able to help him, you know? 

[00:27:54] Brad: Wow. 

[00:27:55] Timmy: So that’s what happened. And he did leave.

[00:27:58] He 

[00:27:58] Brad: also got, got introverted 

[00:27:59] Timmy: [00:28:00] very, very 

[00:28:00] Brad: much by, by whatever third party. 

[00:28:02] Timmy: Very much so, was very much so, 

[00:28:03] Brad: was being fed to him. 

[00:28:04] Timmy: And he didn’t think the people wanted him. He didn’t. People needed him. And another thing is he did not want to, he had a very strong military. 

[00:28:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:28:11] Timmy: He didn’t wanna open fire to his people.

[00:28:14] Timmy: He could have, he didn’t wanna do that. Yeah. He, he loved his people. He loved the people of Iran. And he was deeply hurt by all the noise that was happening. And he couldn’t see past that. And he had cancer. He was very ill. So he left. 

[00:28:27] Brad: So there were people in his inner circle who are just venomous. I would have 

[00:28:30] Timmy: to assume.

[00:28:31] Timmy: Of course. 

[00:28:32] Brad: Yeah. You know? Yeah. 

[00:28:33] Timmy: I know some other stories and I’m not gonna tell you. That’s fine. That’s, I’m not gonna tell you. Very venomous people and is very close, separate circle. We’ll, you cannot tell you. I’ll ask 

[00:28:42] Brad: those in a separate, 

[00:28:42] Timmy: separate. I may, I may tell you 

[00:28:44] Brad: person 

[00:28:45] Timmy: to person. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, um, so my, my dad made it out.

[00:28:49] Timmy: He was able to escape. Wow. He was able to escape Iran. He helped a lot of people. And that’s what happens when you help a lot of people. Um, it comes back to you, you know, uh, it was a beautiful story actually. He, he, [00:29:00] at the position that he had, he was able to help a lot of people as Minister of Justice.

[00:29:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:29:04] Timmy: So he, when the revolution happened, he was one of the top people on the list that they wanted to kill. They would literally get people and you were executed, like done. Mm-hmm. Put your, you know, whatever your eyes 

[00:29:17] Brad: blindfold. 

[00:29:17] Timmy: Blindfold, 

[00:29:18] Brad: yeah. 

[00:29:18] Timmy: And then you come out and then they would shoot in the air and they go, not today, maybe tomorrow.

[00:29:24] Timmy: The torture. You know? Mm. So a lot of that happened to a lot of people. He, he was on the list, but So he, um, 

[00:29:30] Brad: probably because he was loyal to the Shaw. 

[00:29:31] Timmy: Well, he was right underneath anyone who had anything to do with the Shaw Yeah. Was being executed. Mm. So he was one of them. He was high on the list, but, uh, we were at our house.

[00:29:40] Timmy: I mean, and sorry, he was at our house in Iran. We were already in the south of France. And the, um, the, I don’t know, the police I guess came to get my dad and they knocked on the door. There is a person who worked for him, his name is Soleman, still remember him, young kid who he [00:30:00] worked at our house. He was very loyal to my dad.

[00:30:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:30:02] Timmy: And he took his hand and my dad was, you know, probably in his sixties at the time, he wasn’t young. Took his by his hand and took him to the roof. And our roof connected to the neighbor’s roof. I used to remember, ’cause as a kid, I used to always p play took my dad. When he saw these guys, they would’ve come and taken him.

[00:30:17] Timmy: He took him to the neighbor’s roof and the neighbors had to shut up. They could have said, you know, we’re not, we’re not risking our lives. Yeah. The neighbors did not bail him out. They, I mean, so they did bail him out, rat him out. They did not rat him out. So, yeah, him out. Yeah. He, and then the guy said, no, he is not here.

[00:30:31] Timmy: And the neighbor’s like, we don’t know where he is. So then someone came, he did, he told me this ’cause I saw him in front. He came and lived with us. So we, we, we reunited that, uh, someone, random guy came in a big truck. A truck driver, literally, and said, you’re coming with me. I’m gonna help you. Uh, we’re gonna, you know, someone had paid him, obviously we’re gonna go to Pakistan and we’re gonna get your papers and, uh, I’m gonna help you escape.

[00:30:54] Timmy: Iran shaved his head, grew a beard, so he’d be in disguise, and he hung out with his truck [00:31:00] driver and, uh, was able to finally get through Pakistan. Uh, a lot of people, I think, escaped through Pakistan, stayed with this Pakistani family. He said they were the poorest people, but they treated him like a king.

[00:31:13] Timmy: Like there was no water. They had to go to the well to get water. He lived there for a month. They got his passport sorted out. He got like a political refugee, and then he came to the south of France. And, uh, but I’m saying this is the, all these people that he helped it came back to him. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:31:26] Timmy: You know, he didn’t even do anything. He, he had no power. He couldn’t call anyone but these, he was helped, you know? 

[00:31:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:31:32] Timmy: So, and he always told me to go after the truth. He said, your education and your wealth, sorry, your wealth can be taken away from you. No one can take away your education. So to him, education was a big thing, you know?

[00:31:45] Timmy: And I, and I always went after the truth. And I think that’s how I found, found Scientology because he was pushing that so hard, you know? And he didn’t really push materialistic things, although it’s nice to have good things. I love having good things. Yeah. But I know that I need to have a [00:32:00] lot of knowledge and, uh, and I’ve done everything I could to get that, and I feel obligated to, uh, or a sense of duty to help others.

[00:32:08] Timmy: Yeah. ’cause if, if I have it 

[00:32:10] Brad: Mm, 

[00:32:10] Timmy: I should share it with other people, you know? Yeah. And so that’s a, and, 

[00:32:14] Brad: and now, and now, sorry for interrupting, but mm-hmm. And now you’re basically, your full-time job, 

[00:32:19] Timmy: full-time job 

[00:32:19] Brad: is helping people with getting Scientology data. So what, how would you describe your role in like, on staff?

[00:32:27] Timmy: Yeah. What job do you Yeah. One other thing, one other thing I wanna just circle back to. You. Remember that dream that I had to be married and have kids? 

[00:32:33] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:32:34] Timmy: Yeah. Well, I have three beautiful children and I’m very happily married, you know, so, and, and, and one thing I realized is that I can be a good mom.

[00:32:42] Timmy: You know, I can be a good wife and, and I can be a good staff member as long as I separate those two. It doesn’t have to be, because I could have easily said, you know what, I’m just going to stay home and be a mom, which I think is a beautiful thing. Mm-hmm. Out of all the things I do, honestly. Yeah. It is the most important role for me still.

[00:32:57] Timmy: Mm-hmm. Hmm. It really is my most important [00:33:00] job is being a mom. 

[00:33:01] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:01] Timmy: Uh, but with, also with the technology of Scientology, I’m able to wear different hats at different times, and it doesn’t take away from being a mom if, if not, if anything, it helps me set a good example for them. 

[00:33:14] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:33:14] Timmy: You see? So they’re doing well.

[00:33:16] Timmy: But, uh, so ask your question again, please. 

[00:33:18] Brad: Well, what’s, what job do you do? 

[00:33:20] Timmy: Okay. 

[00:33:21] Brad: And you’re a full-time staff member. 

[00:33:22] Timmy: So I am actually in, in the Church of Scientology. You would call me a registrar. I’m, I’m a consultant, so because I’ve done so much of Scientology myself, done so much training and spiritual counseling, I know the majority of the things that are out there, and I’ve had so much help.

[00:33:37] Timmy: So when people come in. I find out what it is that they need help with in life. Like what is that struggle they have? There’s so many universal struggles right now. There’s a lot of universal things, you know? Totally. It’s fear or insecurity or, or pain. And, and these things lead. Do you hear 

[00:33:53] Brad: anxiety 

[00:33:53] Timmy: a lot?

[00:33:54] Timmy: Anxiety, depression, you know, so much of that. And then unfortunately, a lot of people, you know, they [00:34:00] start doing drugs or, you know, uh, a big thing is like men start turning to poor, you know, just, it just is this real, A lot of people are broken and it becomes this dwindling spiral. So I, um, I have to be lucky enough to catch them before it’s too, too gone, too far, if that makes sense.

[00:34:20] Timmy: Yep. So I try to speak to as many people as possible, which is, thank you for, for having me here. This is, you know, this means a lot to me because I wanna Yeah. Course, really reach out to a lot of people. Because that’s how we’re gonna make this planet a saner place. Mm-hmm. You know, because there are a lot of people out there, and one thing that El Ron Hubbard says is you help the able become able, it’s a lot easier to help someone who’s able, because that, and a lot of you are, and a lot of people you’ve interviewed are, which is amazing that one able person can make such powerful impact 

[00:34:49] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:34:50] Timmy: On the planet and help people. But when someone is way down here, it requires a lot of effort. It’s not that I don’t wanna help them, it just requires a lot and it’s, it’s very, [00:35:00] very difficult. So I try to speak to a lot of people and really help the able, become more able and help them with whatever it is that they’re struggling with in their life.

[00:35:07] Brad: Yeah. And to emphasize that, that point, like if you have somebody who’s down here who may be, you know, a, a person who may like. Let’s say they’re just like, really, uh, they’re just having psychotic breaks all the time. Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:20] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:21] Brad: If that’s the person who’s trying to be helped, it’s like, what’s, what’s the return on that?

[00:35:25] Brad: Obviously for that person, like for society? 

[00:35:27] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:35:27] Brad: For that person. It’s very high. If you can get them to a point to where that’s no longer happening for them, but they’re, they’re now back at like a baseline person. 

[00:35:34] Timmy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:35] Brad: Right. Whereas if you take somebody who’s like able, but they’re having struggles in life, like maybe their relationships aren’t going well, it’s really distracting them and they’re not applying all that power that they have to getting done what they know they should be getting done.

[00:35:48] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:48] Brad: In life, whatever that is, that’s improving conditions for themselves and the people around them. Yeah. You take somebody who’s like up here but is like struggling a bit and kind of slowly going down and you help them, whoa. You have all [00:36:00] this quickly accessible to you. 

[00:36:01] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:36:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:02] Timmy: And it makes my job easier as a staff member.

[00:36:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:05] Timmy: And as someone who’s trying to really help the planet because that person is gonna go back and help. To, I mean mm-hmm. Much bigger degree than they would’ve 

[00:36:14] Brad: wider 

[00:36:14] Timmy: spirit of fast. Yeah. Much fiber too. 

[00:36:15] Aaron: I wanna, I want to come real fast on that, uh, Brad, because it’s unfortunate. I actually, I actually learned this funny enough in Washington DC 

[00:36:23] Timmy: Oh, wow.

[00:36:24] Brad: Oh, 

[00:36:24] Aaron: wow. Okay. I learned this in Washington DC Uh, I was there for a tour. I did a, I actually went to the church there. Okay. Visiting 

[00:36:31] Timmy: the new one or the, 

[00:36:32] Aaron: uh, the new one. The new one, okay. Yeah. And there was a homeless, um, issue. 

[00:36:41] Timmy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:36:41] Aaron: There was some homeless and, and I forgot exactly who I was talking to, but there was a, a gentleman, uh, who was psychotic break level, like, and what occurs is that person is not naturally that way.

[00:36:57] Brad: Right. 

[00:36:58] Aaron: They’re made that way. 

[00:36:59] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:59] Aaron: They’re [00:37:00] made that way and they’re put into the situation where it’s hard to help them because they’ve been betrayed. Because they unfortunately 

[00:37:08] Brad: yes, 

[00:37:09] Aaron: unfortunately, have gone through mm-hmm. The insurance money of the United States of America to get electric shock 

[00:37:15] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:37:16] Aaron: To get a lot of psychiatric drugs. Mm-hmm. To be put in the mental institutions, 

[00:37:20] Brad: which is just electric shock put in a pill form, 

[00:37:22] Aaron: right? 

[00:37:22] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:23] Aaron: So when it was interesting ’cause I saw it and I, I forgot exactly who was I spoke to, but they were saying, Hey, you know this, and there was some men institution in whatever distance, they have ’em in there for a week till, let’s say six weeks, and the insurance is done and they throw ’em on the street.

[00:37:43] Aaron: Now they don’t know their name, they don’t know where they are, they’re homeless. And what happens is this, this 

[00:37:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:49] Aaron: Kind of theoretical person, this like theoretical person who’s, who’s in, in this low state. It’s not that they were born that way. 

[00:37:56] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:58] Aaron: It’s that they were made that way. [00:38:00] And when you shock someone enough and when you drug somebody enough.

[00:38:05] Aaron: They have no more potential. 

[00:38:07] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:08] Aaron: There is a point where you can disfigure a person’s brain, and the brain is a connection to the body. Mm-hmm. And you cannot operate 

[00:38:17] Brad: using 

[00:38:17] Aaron: that. And so, so what what occurs is that same person, if you just get them before they were, quote unquote help before they were actually betrayed mm-hmm.

[00:38:27] Aaron: And before their body was destroyed. Mm-hmm. They would’ve had a great time. That’s true in Scientology. But now Yeah. If they’re shocked many times drugged, they cannot get off the drug because the withdrawal will probably kill them. 

[00:38:42] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:42] Aaron: That person would be hard to 

[00:38:43] Brad: help. Will, will kill. 

[00:38:45] Aaron: Right. Uh, again, there’s ways to do withdrawal, but anyway, I’m just saying like, like I’m just saying, like that person, it’s not that we don’t wanna help that person, it’s that we’ve been, we, we, we, it’s, it’s almost impossible.

[00:38:55] Aaron: Not, not impossible, but it’s very difficult to help somebody who has had so much [00:39:00] betrayal after betrayal after betrayal. That their body no longer responds to, to, to basic, to almost, almost anything. You, 

[00:39:08] Brad: and, and the other thing that makes it impossible to help them is why would they accept the help at that point?

[00:39:12] Timmy: Yes. Yes. 

[00:39:13] Brad: When they’ve been helped so many times before. Helped. Mm-hmm. You like, you know. Yeah. 

[00:39:18] Timmy: Betrayed. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I always try to leave someone with a book at least, because I do, you know, I live in Chicago. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We have all kinds of things. I always try to have them, you know, get this book, you know, read it, you know, what, what could you lose?

[00:39:29] Timmy: You know? Yeah. There’s nothing to lose. Just read the book. 

[00:39:31] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:31] Timmy: But you’re right. Another thing was, is really good that you bring that point, because there are universal struggles and people think they just happen by luck. Nothing happens by luck. Someone did that to you. 

[00:39:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:43] Timmy: Yeah. You know, someone is suppressing you, someone is putting you down.

[00:39:46] Timmy: That didn’t happen. That’s why Scientology has the tools. It’s not that people who make it are lucky. There’s no such thing as Locke, you know? So you’re right. That happens. It, someone did that. Mm-hmm. It didn’t, the person wasn’t born there. You’re not [00:40:00] just born lucky or unlucky. We have tools to undo a lot of that, but when it’s gone that deep, it’s very difficult.

[00:40:07] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:40:09] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:40:10] Brad: Heavy. 

[00:40:11] Aaron: So anyway, it’s good. It’s good. So, so in, in Chicago, where do you see like, um, the difference between like being at DC and Washington DC um, and being in Chicago? 

[00:40:20] Timmy: Like what, what, you get me in trouble here? I have good friends on both sides, you know? Um, do you 

[00:40:26] Brad: mean like in the Oregon or do you mean 

[00:40:27] Timmy: like in the Oregon?

[00:40:27] Timmy: No, in, 

[00:40:27] Aaron: in, in the area. In the area. Like, 

[00:40:29] Timmy: I have my family who lives in the Washington DC area, so I, I’m actually gonna go there for the Persian new Year. It’s the first of spring. Oh, nice. Uh, my family lives there. My mom lives there. My brother, my sister, my niece and nephew. So I love it. It’s, it’s, it’s the second home now.

[00:40:41] Timmy: Yeah. Chicago is home now. It really is. So I always have that as a home there. It’s beautiful. You know, the, the monuments I homeschool my kids living in DC was great because you, the, the, the Smithsonian is free. I would literally, I was like, what do I do today? Okay, let’s go on a field [00:41:00] trip to the Smithsonian.

[00:41:01] Timmy: Wow. So that was really cool. It’s, it’s a beautiful city. You know, the, the cherry Blossom, you know, parade. There’s a lot of beautiful things in DC and I lived there for a long time. I went there for college, uh, when I was 18, and I was there up until, uh, COVID 2020. So, you know, I lived there for quite a while and, uh, it was great.

[00:41:21] Timmy: You know, my family’s there. We did a lot of things there. I worked at the church there. I met my husband there, my three kids, you know, so it was a lot. Uh, I love Chicago. I love, uh, Washington, DC Chicago. It’s one of the most beautiful cities in the world, if not the most beautiful city in the world. Wow.

[00:41:39] Timmy: Have you guys been, 

[00:41:40] Aaron: I 

[00:41:40] Brad: have not. 

[00:41:41] Timmy: Have you like seen it? 

[00:41:43] Aaron: Little bit? Not a lot. A lot. I’ve been there twice. Kind of like a day or two. 

[00:41:46] Timmy: Okay. 

[00:41:46] Aaron: Kind of 

[00:41:46] Timmy: deal. Okay. You’ve, you’ve never been there. Is it 

[00:41:48] Brad: beautiful by your estimation? 

[00:41:49] Aaron: It is an incredible place. I mean, the thing is beauty comes in different forms.

[00:41:53] Timmy: That’s true. 

[00:41:54] Aaron: You know, like Oregon, this is beautiful, like plain. I mean, Chicago is city. 

[00:41:59] Timmy: Yeah. It’s 

[00:41:59] Aaron: city. I mean, [00:42:00] it is like 

[00:42:00] Timmy: a 

[00:42:00] Aaron: city. There’s a lot of city there. 

[00:42:02] Timmy: It’s a lot of 

[00:42:02] Aaron: city, you know, 

[00:42:03] Timmy: it’s big, right? Yeah. It’s, it’s the architecture. Oh my God. It’s gorgeous. But it’s, it’s sort of like you take New York and, you know, parts of DC and you blend them together and you a hundred exit.

[00:42:16] Timmy: It’s, it’s very, very beautiful. Like you’ve, you’ve got the, the lake, it’s like going to the beach there. Mm-hmm. You know, and the architecture is unbelievable. And the food, you can just, you know, any kind of cuisine you want. 

[00:42:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:29] Timmy: There’s cheap and cheerful. There’s high end. You can’t go wrong. You know, there’s a Persian grocery store that I can go to, you know, so there’s a lot of culture that I really like there and a lot of life.

[00:42:39] Timmy: So I love living in Chicago. And I literally live, uh, half a block away from the Church of Scientology. So I’m right there, right in the, in the action of things. So I can walk everywhere. It gets cold, you know, here and there. Mm-hmm. Everyone talks about that, but it’s worth it. A, it’s a price. It’s a price.

[00:42:56] Timmy: You paid to live in Chicago. 

[00:42:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:57] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:42:58] Brad: Why, what made you decide to homeschool your [00:43:00] kids? 

[00:43:00] Timmy: Uh, okay, so, let’s see. Um, well, it happened sort of by accident and then. I’m so happy it happened that way. Mm-hmm. Right. Oh, wow. So it kind of was the right thing to happen. Uh, so my, uh, I have a, my oldest daughter’s 20.

[00:43:16] Timmy: She’s also on staff in Chicago. Uh, at the time she was going to a French school. She was in the third grade, and I was pregnant with our third child. Right. So when she was born in April, Izzy wouldn’t go to school every day. She would go to school, she’d get sick. She wanted to stay home with the baby. 

[00:43:32] Brad: Oh, 

[00:43:33] Timmy: that’s so cute.

[00:43:34] Timmy: You know, I, and then my youngest, my middle child, um, miles, was in kindergarten. He was gonna Montessori school. Izzy was in a French school and she was doing fine and learning French, you know, and, uh, every other day. Wait, 

[00:43:46] Brad: wait, he was in a French school, as in 

[00:43:48] Timmy: Yeah, he was in a Montessori. Izzy was in a Montessori.

[00:43:49] Timmy: Did they speak French? Sorry? French. French Immersion. Like they spoke 

[00:43:52] Brad: French in the school. 

[00:43:53] Timmy: Yeah, that’s, she learned French. She was just, 

[00:43:55] Aaron: I wanna do that French, 

[00:43:56] Timmy: Spanish. So 

[00:43:57] Aaron: what is 

[00:43:57] Timmy: that? It is really cool. Well, it’s a, actually it’s a public [00:44:00] school system. I got through, I got in through the lottery and Montessori.

[00:44:02] Timmy: I got in through the lottery too. And I know you 

[00:44:05] Aaron: listen, you said there’s no such thing as luck, but I tell 

[00:44:08] Timmy: you, I studied. I studied, 

[00:44:09] Aaron: but I tell you, you have, I just, 

[00:44:13] Timmy: okay. Yeah. I fricking, I’m telling you, I really studied it. I studied the lottery. I studied the lottery system. I asked so many questions. I said, if I’m the first one to apply, is that, give me a bigger check.

[00:44:22] Timmy: Like I asked a lot of questions too. 

[00:44:24] Brad: So they just gave it to you to get you to stop asking 

[00:44:26] Timmy: questions? No, I, I think it said where I was on the, like, miles was like 103. Yeah. And there only took a hundred, but I knew that people would drop out and I was calling stuck with it. The school every day. Yeah. So he, it was like, there was a hundred spots and his, he was 103.

[00:44:39] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:44:40] Timmy: Izzy was, it was eight. There were not a lot of people who wanted to go to a French school where I lived. So it was, it was a easy thing. But anyhow, so she, every day the school would call me. Oh, Izzy, you know, she got in a fight. Oh, Izzy’s leg hurts. And I’m going crazy here. And so you got the 

[00:44:57] Brad: baby. 

[00:44:57] Timmy: Yeah.

[00:44:57] Timmy: Yeah. I got the baby and she’s like, mom, I [00:45:00] really don’t wanna go to school anymore. I’m like, Izzy, it’s April. Let’s just finish it off. Okay, just be chill. Finish the school. She goes, I wanna be homeschooled. She wanted to spend time with her sister, you know? And so I homeschooled her because she insisted.

[00:45:13] Timmy: And at what 

[00:45:14] Aaron: age did you start? 

[00:45:15] Timmy: She was a third grade. So what would that be? 10, maybe 10, 11 ish. Eight. 

[00:45:18] Aaron: I know. 

[00:45:19] Timmy: No, no, because she was, she’s five years older than, than Annika. So nine or 10. Yeah. And she was, she was one of the oldest in her cast class. ’cause her birthday was September 24th. 

[00:45:29] Aaron: There was a trick.

[00:45:29] Aaron: Lemme tell you my trick could be wrong. 

[00:45:31] Timmy: Tell me. 

[00:45:31] Aaron: Okay. My trick could be wrong for ages. For the grades. 

[00:45:35] Timmy: Yeah. Okay. Tell me, you add something, 

[00:45:38] Aaron: add five to the grade uhhuh. That is the age of your child. 

[00:45:40] Timmy: That makes sense. That makes 

[00:45:41] Aaron: sense. Think about it. I remember eighth grade for me. 

[00:45:44] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:45:44] Aaron: I was 12, turning 13.

[00:45:45] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:45:46] Aaron: So eight plus five. 

[00:45:47] Timmy: That makes sense. 

[00:45:48] Aaron: 12, 13. 

[00:45:49] Timmy: So 

[00:45:49] Aaron: third grade 

[00:45:50] Timmy: uhhuh 

[00:45:50] Aaron: plus five. 

[00:45:52] Timmy: That makes sense. 

[00:45:53] Aaron: Just letting you know around that. That’s normally, that’s normally the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just like, so you guys know I learned this trick. I wanna share it with you guys so you know, [00:46:00] because I will tell you right now, if you look into it, third grade is not 10 years old, but it’s all good.

[00:46:04] Aaron: He knows it’s all good. 

[00:46:06] Timmy: It’s all good. 

[00:46:06] Aaron: I discovered this at 35 years old. Okay, so I’m sharing with you guys, 

[00:46:10] Timmy: but we can both be right, because it was in the fourth grade that I homeschooled her right there. You see, it was in the fourth grade. ’cause she finished third grade and Izzy turned 10, September 24th.

[00:46:20] Timmy: So she was one of those people who was the oldest in her class. Right, exactly. So she was nine fourth. 

[00:46:25] Aaron: Fourth, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:46:25] Timmy: Fourth grade. 

[00:46:26] Aaron: Not there. Go. 

[00:46:27] Timmy: So then, and then Miles was, and we would go ice school. We do all these fun things when I homeschool the kids. And then Miles would be like, I wanna go ice skating, I wanna be homeschooling.

[00:46:35] Timmy: So then I just, oh, you 

[00:46:36] Brad: started homeschooling her, your oldest, but not your son. 

[00:46:38] Timmy: Miles was in kindergarten. It was a Montessori. It was good. I was like, I’m just gonna keep him there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kindergarten, you know, he 

[00:46:44] didn’t 

[00:46:44] Brad: give you a problem when he is like, wait, but my sister gets to stay home, but I have to go to 

[00:46:47] Timmy: school.

[00:46:48] Timmy: Then that, that’s what happened, happened. Those too. 

[00:46:50] Brad: Yeah. My 3-year-old lose her mind. 

[00:46:52] Timmy: Yeah. That’s what happened. And then the Annika was always homeschooled and uh, so that’s, you know, that’s, so I have a lot of good memories from Washington [00:47:00] DC from homeschooling the kids. ’cause there’s so much to do, you know, like the monuments and the air and Space Museum and, uh, the zoo.

[00:47:06] Timmy: So, and then Chicago is, is is a beautiful city. 

[00:47:10] Aaron: And now for homeschooling, ’cause homeschooling is a very hot topic in general. Millions of people have moved to homeschool. Yeah. It’s like just, it’s such an amazing, uh, uh, opportunity to put the kids’ education back into the parents’ hands. 

[00:47:22] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:23] Aaron: Which the truth is that’s where it belongs.

[00:47:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:47:26] Aaron: Anyway. 

[00:47:27] Brad: Absolutely. 

[00:47:28] Aaron: What kind of curriculum did you follow? Like when now you’re starting homeschool, like how did you go about this? And I don’t know the rules in Washington DC or Virginia or Chicago. 

[00:47:36] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:47:36] Aaron: And Florida. The rules are extremely loose. Um, you could, I mean, you’re in, you’re really in charge of the education.

[00:47:42] Aaron: Yeah. I just dunno how it is in, I hope this 

[00:47:43] Timmy: doesn’t go viral. I’m just kidding. ’cause I, 

[00:47:46] Aaron: no, I’m ready. I’m ready. I’m ready, I’m ready For your 

[00:47:48] Timmy: education tips. No, this is the thing. I tried every single curriculum there was, I bought every single, but with Izzy, I did this thing, uh, I forget the name, but it was, it is a, it was a famous non Scientology a homeschool thing that apparently [00:48:00] Barack Obama even did a part of it when he was, it’s a very famous, you know, what’s the name?

[00:48:03] Timmy: I forget the name. 

[00:48:04] Aaron: Come on, 

[00:48:05] Timmy: Tim. Me. I know. We, I Googled it recently ’cause I liked some of the books. Yeah. I forgot the name. And it was like a credit Barack 

[00:48:11] Aaron: Obama’s homeschool program. 

[00:48:13] Timmy: That’s what they claimed. But I go, he did like a class with them or something. Okay, okay. But you can look it up. He’s on the, well look, Google it.

[00:48:19] Timmy: I’m curious to see Barack Obama. Yeah. 

[00:48:21] Brad: From Bar 

[00:48:22] Timmy: Rock slips to your 

[00:48:23] Brad: child’s ears. 

[00:48:23] Timmy: I think his grandma would wake up at four in the morning and do ed stuff with him or something. You know, like he, he education was a big deal. 

[00:48:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:48:30] Timmy: Anyhow. So that was very crazy. It was so intense, you know? And Izzy was going crazy.

[00:48:36] Timmy: What 

[00:48:36] Aaron: does that mean? Intense? Like, 

[00:48:37] Timmy: describe it. It was so, so metic. Very, very, very structured. Which isn’t really what I was signing up for. You know, my thing is, I wanna make sure that, but like, hold on, 

[00:48:46] Aaron: hold on. Like, what does that mean? Like eight o’clock you do this, eight 30 you do this. Like, that’s the 

[00:48:50] Timmy: curriculum.

[00:48:50] Timmy: And I had to report to someone, uh oh. And show them. Oh, 

[00:48:53] Brad: you had to report to 

[00:48:54] Timmy: someone. Yeah. No, but they were working for me. Like I was paying them. I, this what I 

[00:48:58] Brad: chose Doesn’t sound like it the way you just 

[00:48:58] Timmy: said. I know. I know. [00:49:00] This is what I chose. This is the curriculum. 

[00:49:02] Brad: I don’t like it you, when I hire somebody for something and then I have to report to them.

[00:49:05] Brad: That’s 

[00:49:05] Timmy: right. I. I know, 

[00:49:07] Brad: what are we doing here? Except for like, personal trainer, I could get that, but like, 

[00:49:10] Timmy: yeah, clearly I don’t have 

[00:49:10] Brad: any of list. 

[00:49:11] Timmy: So they would do the report part and stuff like that, like, you know. Yeah, right. So, um, that was a little too intense and I want, I felt like I was just shoving a lot of information down our throat, which is not good.

[00:49:23] Timmy: I did that for a year. We got through, but I really realized I wanted my kids to enjoy learning. I wanted them to have a passion for learning. I wanted them to have a passion for learning, you know, not for it to be this like, dictatorial thing. You know, you must, you know, so I kind of changed gears. I ordered a lot of books.

[00:49:44] Timmy: Um, I started doing my own curriculum and I did everything I could, and I finally did that so that no one had to tell me what to do. I did all the research. I joined this umbrella. I found out the loophole, or whatever you wanna call it. I joined this umbrella. I paid $50 a year [00:50:00] per kid. I had to go to one meeting, listened to this lady, and I had nothing to do with the state.

[00:50:06] Timmy: I could do whatever I wanted. Wow. So, 

[00:50:08] Aaron: so what program is that? 

[00:50:09] Timmy: Well, the, the umbrella was like, it was a, it was good, good home, love or whatever. It doesn’t even matter. It was a good home love. 

[00:50:17] Aaron: Home love. 

[00:50:18] Timmy: It was, it doesn’t even, it was I’m, it was like good home love or something. I’ll be 

[00:50:22] Aaron: sending them a letter 

[00:50:23] Brad: based on Cotton Experience infringement 

[00:50:24] Aaron: in 

[00:50:25] Timmy: Prince.

[00:50:25] Timmy: It doesn’t matter, you know, all I had to do was like respect their, what? I didn’t have to report anything to them. I just had to go to one meeting a year and that’s it. And then 

[00:50:35] Brad: I, what are the odds? That was the name. I’m like, sorry. Sorry, 

[00:50:38] Timmy: go ahead. It’s, go ahead. 

[00:50:39] Brad: Sorry. 

[00:50:39] Timmy: So then I did, I basically, I was in charge at that point.

[00:50:43] Timmy: I was in charge. Mm-hmm. And I could do whatever I wanted to my, with my kids. I didn’t have to report to anybody. Yeah. Okay. So I just made sure that, one thing I wanted to make sure with my kids is that, uh, this is a personal thing. I wanna make sure that they have something that’s called study technology.

[00:50:59] Timmy: Mm-hmm. You know, [00:51:00] so they can study themselves as something in Scientology. We have study technology. They can study anything they want. Without going blank or without not understanding it, or not having too steep of a gradient or not kind of spinning. So that was really big. And then math for me is a big thing.

[00:51:16] Timmy: I wanna make sure they have like basics of math so they don’t get ripped off in life and they just know math. 

[00:51:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:22] Timmy: And if you have those two things, then I kind of see what is it that you wanna learn? Mm-hmm. You know, what, what do you like? You know, like my 10-year-old loves doing nails. Okay, fine. I ordered her whole nail set.

[00:51:32] Timmy: She does art with the nails and she’s passionate. She, she watches videos for the technique. Like, if she can get good at that, yeah. Like she’s probably not gonna end up being a nail technician when she grows up. But if she can learn the skills of something and get good at that and, and do it because she loves that, then she can apply that same, those principles to other things.

[00:51:51] Timmy: Mm-hmm. So that’s the thing. Totally. That’s what I’ve done with my kids and it’s worked. You know, I’m not, um, academics are important of [00:52:00] course, but I really wanna make sure they’re passionate about their life and, uh. They’re passionate about learning and that they can learn on the, on their own. So I don’t use a very specific curriculum.

[00:52:10] Timmy: I did use like a PLAs Scholastic online for a while, and they were good, but again, it was just, I felt a little rigorous for me. So I go and order whatever books I want. There’s a hair on, there’s a, like Delphi, they have, uh, bookstore. I can order any books I want. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, my, yeah. Right now there’s only one more left to homeschool.

[00:52:29] Timmy: Uh, she, she does a lot of courses at, at our, at our church, and she’s done every single one trying to talk her into doing it again because she we’re, you know, she’s done all the children’s courses and, and she is, you know, above her grade actually, she’s 10 and she’s, uh, very smart. And, uh, that’s work. You know.

[00:52:48] Timmy: Yeah. The church has actually helped me a lot with raising my kids and getting ’em a good education. 

[00:52:53] Brad: Yeah. What, how do you, what do you do for your homeschool, for curriculum? 

[00:52:57] Aaron: So, I’ll tell you, [00:53:00] I, what I find the best, like what I. What I love is being involved and whatever. I’m going to, I, so here’s the thing.

[00:53:10] Aaron: I wish, I wish, like, I wish I had like an additional three, four hours in the day where I could be with them myself. 

[00:53:18] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:19] Aaron: Because I don’t mean to brag, but I mean to brag like I’m a good teacher. 

[00:53:25] Brad: Absolutely. I 

[00:53:26] Aaron: completely 

[00:53:26] Brad: agree 

[00:53:26] Aaron: with you. I, I can actually see if someone is learning something or they’re not learning it, and I don’t like, like what I think is the worst about, let’s say public school systems or, or any schools, any school 

[00:53:40] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:53:42] Aaron: Is, it’s when you have one teacher and 30 children 

[00:53:45] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:53:46] Aaron: I do not care what system, what belief system, which church, which thing, which curriculum, whoever you are. 

[00:53:53] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:53:54] Aaron: One to 30 people. It will be very, very, very difficult for you to see if the [00:54:00] person got this idea or did not get the idea. And I don’t mean they’re gonna pass a test 

[00:54:05] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:54:06] Aaron: But do they know it good enough to use it? Yeah. Do they understand the words on there? So it’s not like a random thing? Is it? Is it something where I can be like, Hey, when in your life would you ever use this? And they’re like, I’ll never use it. Well, then it’s not, it’s not, it’s not second nature to you.

[00:54:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:54:22] Aaron: It’s not something you learned. Right? 

[00:54:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:54:24] Aaron: Like even this, even a little thing is history. 

[00:54:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:54:28] Aaron: If, if I tell you the history of George Washington and how, when I learned this yesterday 

[00:54:33] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:54:33] Aaron: Okay. George Washington, his first battle, he totally got destroyed. 

[00:54:39] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:54:39] Aaron: He, he lost everything and he ran away with his life and that’s it.

[00:54:43] Aaron: And he lost a battle fully when he fought and won freedom for the United States. He had never won a battle in his life before that. Mm-hmm. He was unqualified as a general, you hear that story and you go, okay, so I tell you, Timmy, I’m gonna ask you, you hear this story? [00:55:00] How is that, how could that be useful?

[00:55:01] Aaron: How could you use that in your life? 

[00:55:03] Timmy: Well, it’s very inspiring. 

[00:55:05] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:06] Timmy: Because if it means if I wanna do something, even if I’ve never done it before 

[00:55:10] Aaron: mm-hmm. 

[00:55:10] Timmy: I can accomplish something huge. Mm-hmm. You know, and I don’t have a history of it, but that, that’s what I get from it. It’s inspiring. 

[00:55:18] Aaron: Absolutely. Is there any activity in your life 

[00:55:21] Timmy: mm-hmm.

[00:55:21] Aaron: That you see, that you think like, man, I, I haven’t thought before I could do it. 

[00:55:26] Timmy: Yeah, 

[00:55:26] Aaron: but you go listen. Just do Like George Washington. 

[00:55:29] Timmy: Yeah. Yeah. That’s right. 

[00:55:30] Aaron: Think of one thing right now, like, something that you haven’t tackled. 

[00:55:33] Timmy: One thing that I wanted to always be as a kid, as an actress. 

[00:55:35] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:55:36] Timmy: Always.

[00:55:36] Timmy: Yeah. Wanted to be like, I was like, and then I had a few stops and I was like, and I was like, okay, I’m not doing it. Okay. I’m, I’m done. I’m done. No one wants me to be an actress. It’s not accepted. Also, just so you know, in our culture, and you’re gone. It’s not like Hollywood, right? It’s low life. 

[00:55:51] Aaron: Right. 

[00:55:51] Timmy: You know, you’d be a doctor or a lawyer or a dentist.

[00:55:54] Brad: Being 

[00:55:55] Timmy: an actor, actress is low 

[00:55:56] Brad: life. 

[00:55:57] Timmy: It’s, oh, it’s not, considered not a doctor. It’s not professional. It’s, [00:56:00] yeah. So it’s not this glamorous I I, and it’s not this glamorous thing. Oh, 

[00:56:03] Brad: so per So Persian people are conservative. They very 

[00:56:05] Timmy: conservative. I would say, you know what? At least when I, with my fam, my dad was very conservative.

[00:56:10] Timmy: Yeah. Beautiful person. But when I told him I wanted to be an actress, my mom always tried to be super cool. She’s like, sure. And then the next day she went crazy. She’s like, are you a kid? No way. No. No. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:56:22] Aaron: Okay. So now, so now hear the story of George Washington. 

[00:56:25] Timmy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:56:25] Aaron: You can literally overcome any obstacle where you failed infinity of times in the past.

[00:56:29] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:56:32] Aaron: Is there something that you could do about this goal or dream or desire of yours? 

[00:56:37] Timmy: 100%. 

[00:56:38] Aaron: Yeah. So 

[00:56:38] Timmy: what could be hundred percent. You’re so cute. Um, what could it be? You know, you know what’s really cool is that was his name, Joe Burns, the guy Joe Burns with a cigar. Uhhuh, is that his name? The actor? 

[00:56:47] Aaron: I don’t know.

[00:56:47] Aaron: But yeah, go 

[00:56:48] Timmy: ahead. He’s like a 9-year-old. He got an Oscar. 

[00:56:50] Aaron: Oh, wow. Yeah. 

[00:56:50] Timmy: So, you know, it’s like, it’s never too late. You know, that’s, I could be an actress at any time in my life. That’s right. Or I could actually do like more podcasts and help [00:57:00] other people, you know? Boom. That’s really, that’s, you know, help people because I really ultimately wanna help.

[00:57:04] Timmy: Absolutely. I mean, acting is so much fun. I’ve done a lot of show, uh, you know, plays in school and it’s so much fun. But ultimately I wanna help people. Yeah. You know, and so it’s communication. 

[00:57:13] Aaron: Good. So I’ll put a seed. I’m gonna plant the seed. Yeah. 

[00:57:15] Timmy: Yeah. Go ahead. 

[00:57:16] Aaron: Okay. Um, I am currently at this exact moment 

[00:57:19] Timmy: Yeah.

[00:57:20] Aaron: Recruiting for video people, for TikTok. 

[00:57:24] Timmy: Okay. 

[00:57:25] Aaron: Okay. TikTok 

[00:57:26] Timmy: Okay. 

[00:57:26] Aaron: Is acting. 

[00:57:27] Timmy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:57:28] Aaron: It is a show. 

[00:57:29] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:57:29] Aaron: You put on a show. Mm-hmm. It might be a 22nd show. A one minute show. 

[00:57:32] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:57:33] Aaron: I will tell you, there’s a person who I just discovered yesterday, 

[00:57:36] Timmy: Uhhuh. 

[00:57:37] Aaron: They’re making hold. This is, this is ridiculous. It’s not a business podcast, but I just have this, this is an inspiration podcast.

[00:57:42] Timmy: That’s fine. Let’s do it. 

[00:57:44] Aaron: You could hear the story. It’s Jordan, I forget her last name. I’m, I’m gonna put the link to this lady’s profile ’cause she’s just inspiring and ridiculous. 

[00:57:49] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:57:51] Aaron: She sold in TikTok shop for a brand. 

[00:57:53] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:57:54] Aaron: Okay. Or multiple brands. $800,000 in sales for a brand. [00:58:00] Now at that level, the commission is somewhere between probably 15 to 25%.

[00:58:05] Brad: Oh wow. 

[00:58:06] Aaron: So this lady is making probably over $200,000 per month. At least the last few months. It might say. Not month. Per month. Per month. Now she is an actress. She goes and she goes, oh, I love this shirt. It feels good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here’s the thing. I right now, and literally have a call after this, I’m gonna go on a call.

[00:58:23] Aaron: I’m learning everything I can about TikTok, selling on TikTok, doing videos. Uh, this, if you see us on TikTok, thank you very much. Like it, save it, push it. Okay. 

[00:58:31] Timmy: That’s awesome. 

[00:58:32] Aaron: But let me say this thing right now because. Doing that actually doesn’t take that much time. ’cause I have one video, there’s one influencer that did a video for one of our burrito blankets.

[00:58:42] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:43] Aaron: And it was, she didn’t have a following, didn’t have thing, the thing got millions of views and she made over $10,000 for a one video and she had no following. 

[00:58:51] Timmy: Wow. 

[00:58:52] Aaron: So I’m just saying like, it doesn’t take a lot of time. 

[00:58:55] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:58:56] Aaron: Yes. 

[00:58:56] Timmy: There you go. 

[00:58:57] Aaron: So listen to George Washington. 

[00:58:58] Timmy: Okay. I 

[00:58:58] Aaron: love it.

[00:58:58] Aaron: You got the lesson. 

[00:58:59] Timmy: I’ve [00:59:00] learned a lesson. 

[00:59:00] Aaron: I’m, 

[00:59:01] Timmy: I’m excited. 

[00:59:01] Aaron: So, congratulations. Thank you. This is like my homeschool. Okay. This is my homeschool. 

[00:59:04] Timmy: I love 

[00:59:05] Aaron: it when I do homeschool. This is how I do homeschool. I go, so what’s this word? This is home and 

[00:59:08] Brad: the homeschool. 

[00:59:09] Aaron: Yes. This is an example of the homeschool school.

[00:59:10] Aaron: So you asked me like, how did I do my homeschool? 

[00:59:11] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:59:11] Aaron: I go, let’s learn a concept today. 

[00:59:13] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:59:13] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:14] Aaron: It’s from the concept of doing anything. Oh, that doesn’t apply to me, da, da, da. That’s, children do the same thing. It’s, I do the same to everyone was awesome. Wait, no, it, I’m like, no. Could it be 

[00:59:22] Brad: wait and 

[00:59:22] Aaron: then it, 

[00:59:23] Brad: the end of the lesson like, okay, lesson done.

[00:59:24] Brad: Now go do it. 

[00:59:25] Aaron: Absolutely. If 

[00:59:26] Timmy: it’s, 

[00:59:26] Aaron: if there’s, if there’s a like, because what I sense Applic, what do you need to 

[00:59:31] Brad: learn? 

[00:59:31] Aaron: Go do it. 

[00:59:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:32] Aaron: What. The biggest issue that we have in schooling 

[00:59:36] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:59:37] Aaron: Is that you cannot see if a person can now do an activity. 

[00:59:41] Timmy: That’s right. 

[00:59:42] Aaron: So if my daughter wants to go and paint and paint this way, good.

[00:59:46] Aaron: Learn about it. Here’s videos, here’s now go and paint it. Is it? Is it what you want? No. Good. Let’s do another one. 

[00:59:50] Timmy: Yeah. 

[00:59:51] Aaron: Okay. What does this mean? I have no clue. Okay. Well, it means, okay, now use it in sentences, learn it this, and then I can see if she really knows that word. 

[00:59:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:59] Aaron: And so [01:00:00] what, when I teach, I want to teach to like.

[01:00:03] Aaron: Did they learn one concept? 

[01:00:05] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:05] Aaron: One idea. Whatever they learned. 

[01:00:06] Brad: This is so dangerous. I want to homeschool my kids, 

[01:00:08] Aaron: so, okay. Yeah. So, yeah. 

[01:00:09] Timmy: Yeah. 

[01:00:09] Aaron: So, but how long does it listen? One lesson? 

[01:00:12] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. Minutes. 

[01:00:12] Aaron: If you could be in one year in school, you could be one year in school. 

[01:00:15] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:15] Aaron: And not actually learn anything.

[01:00:17] Aaron: That’s true. Correct. And have no lessons and have poor lessons. Yes. Bad understandings. 

[01:00:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:21] Aaron: And never get anything. So what I go is I say, Hey, it might not be a long time because the time of studying in homeschool is less. 

[01:00:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:29] Timmy: Yeah. 

[01:00:29] Aaron: I don’t know a single homeschooling parent who, where they’re gonna be in school more than a school.

[01:00:34] Aaron: Like it is gonna be less time. Yeah. Okay. Maybe unless 

[01:00:37] Brad: I don’t have, I don’t have, which, which is an indicator by the way, because the parents care more and there’s less study time. 

[01:00:42] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:43] Brad: Those two ideas combined 

[01:00:45] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:00:45] Brad: Means that, okay. So more time in school does not mean better results. No. ’cause people care the most.

[01:00:52] Brad: Correct. Spend the less time in 

[01:00:52] Aaron: study and it’s, and it’s not even, it is carrying the most, but it’s the fact that what is the end result? What happens after that [01:01:00] lesson? Yeah. I, if I spend 30 minutes with my daughter. Teaching a concept. Did she get the concept? 

[01:01:04] Timmy: Yeah. 

[01:01:05] Aaron: And does she think she’s gonna use it in her life in any way?

[01:01:07] Aaron: And if the answer is no, I go, I have not taught her anything. Yeah, 

[01:01:10] Timmy: that’s right. 

[01:01:10] Aaron: So let’s go back. And so when you hear in school like, I’ll never lose this, da da da. That person hasn’t learned it. 

[01:01:14] Brad: Yeah, 

[01:01:15] Aaron: they haven’t learned it. They just 

[01:01:16] Timmy: haven’t learned. It’s not applying it. And it’ll die. It’ll like go away.

[01:01:18] Timmy: It will, yeah. Won’t be there. 

[01:01:20] Aaron: So anyway, 

[01:01:21] Timmy: I Do you bring, 

[01:01:21] Aaron: that’s a little, a little piece of the homeschool. 

[01:01:23] Timmy: Do you bring your kids here? 

[01:01:24] Aaron: I do bring them. I do 

[01:01:25] Timmy: so much to learn here. Seriously. Like so much to do. 

[01:01:29] Aaron: So anyway, 

[01:01:29] Timmy: there you go. It’s awesome. Thank you. Yes. That was really good. 

[01:01:32] Aaron: Amazing. 

[01:01:33] Brad: Okay. Question? 

[01:01:33] Timmy: Yes.

[01:01:34] Brad: This is a question we ask all our guests. 

[01:01:35] Timmy: Okay. 

[01:01:36] Brad: In your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:01:40] Timmy: You know, Scientology for me actually encompasses humanity. You know, Scientology itself means knowing how to know, but for me, Scientology is humanity because it has a solution to those universal struggles that Manhattan.

[01:01:53] Timmy: So to me it’s humanity. That’s, that’s what it’s, 

[01:01:56] Brad: that’s 

[01:01:57] Aaron: amazing. Thank you. 

[01:01:58] Timmy: Thank you. [01:02:00] 

[01:02:01] Brad: Thank you for being here, Tim. 

[01:02:02] Timmy: Yeah, thank you for having me. 

[01:02:03] Brad: This is a lot of fun. 

[01:02:03] Timmy: This was a blast. Yeah, it was a real, real lot of fun. This 

[01:02:06] Brad: is definitely one of the funnest ones that we’ve done. 

[01:02:07] Timmy: Aw, you guys are awesome. I had a blast.

[01:02:09] Timmy: I’m leaving. Uh, what tomorrow? I was telling my, I was talking to my senior on the phone. I was like, you’ll never guess I’ll mention Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so Thank you so much guys. Let’s go. Okay. Get a hug. 

[01:02:18] Aaron: Okay. Last thing. Last thing. Last thing. Okay. Okay, last, last, last, last one. You are a consultant?

[01:02:23] Timmy: Yeah. 

[01:02:23] Aaron: Okay. So if someone has a specific struggle or they wanna be guided of, Hey, what am I supposed to do is Scientology for me? What should I start with? This kind of stuff. 

[01:02:33] Timmy: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:33] Aaron: How can somebody reach out to you? 

[01:02:34] Timmy: So you just go to Instagram and uh, send me a DM via Art by Timmy and I’ll help you anywhere you are in the world, I’ll help you.

[01:02:41] Aaron: Amazing. So that link will be below. Guys, thank you so much. Thank you, Tim, for coming to the show. 

[01:02:46] Timmy: Remember, 

[01:02:46] Aaron: thank you so much. Don’t do nothing. 

[01:02:47] Timmy: That’s right. Don’t do nothing. 

[01:02:49] Aaron: Thanks.