Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Lucia: I don’t think women should be spending their husband’s hard-earned money on luxury items 

[00:00:04] Brad: Boss wife, trad wife combo. 

[00:00:06] Lucia: I am way more confident because of my husband. Mm-hmm. And I know that my husband is also more confident with and because of me. I know that if I would’ve had that father figure, I wouldn’t have turned into a party.

[00:00:18] Lucia: Yeah. You need the family unit. Women are praised for being single moms, and again, they sh- they should. There is something admirable. The problem is that with the generations that come, they look at how much admiration we give the single moms- Mm-hmm. Yeah … and they think it is an ideal scene. Yeah. It’s not.

[00:00:33] Lucia: Welcome 

[00:00:33] Brad: to another episode of the Don’t Do Nothing podcast. Today, we have an amazing guest. We have Lucia La Rosa Spray- Yes … today. She is, uh, a boss wife and a trad wife, and really we decided just wife of the future- Totally … is the, is, is the term, is, uh, her title. She’s also an entrepreneur. Uh, she is married to Mr.

[00:00:58] Brad: Steven Spray. Yeah. [00:01:00] And, uh, she also runs a sales team of 1, right about 1,000 people. That’s a lot of freaking people. 

[00:01:08] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:01:08] Brad: And by the way, she’s also a Scientologist. 

[00:01:10] Lucia: That’s right. 

[00:01:11] Brad: Welcome, Lucia. 

[00:01:12] Lucia: Thank you. I’m so excited to be here. Let’s get into it. Yeah. Let’s do it. 

[00:01:16] Aaron: Lucia, where… Okay. Wh- where are you from? I just wanna say, like, I didn’t do any research really.

[00:01:20] Aaron: Like, I, I mean, I’ve seen you around. It’s scary. We’ve seen you at church, but, like, where are you from? 

[00:01:25] Lucia: I was born and raised in a third world country. Okay. Lima, Peru. Love it. I’m actually going in two weeks. 

[00:01:32] Aaron: Nice. 

[00:01:33] Lucia: Um, and I grew up there until, until I was 14 years old, and then my mom remarried to, I call him my second dad, and he brought us to America and changed my future, like, forever.

[00:01:44] Brad: Oh, that’s so sweet. Wow. You call him your second dad, not your stepdad. 

[00:01:47] Lucia: Yes. No. 

[00:01:47] Brad: Oh, I love that. No, 

[00:01:47] Lucia: I ended up calling him Dad. Like, he changed my life and my brother’s life, yeah. 

[00:01:52] Brad: How? Like what? 

[00:01:54] Lucia: Well, first of all, when we lived in, in Lima, I mean, it was middle class. 

[00:01:58] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:59] Lucia: You know? Um, I [00:02:00] went to private school, which is kinda common.

[00:02:01] Lucia: You have help at home, which is common, which we can get into that, too, and, like, you know, the house and, and the family. Mm-hmm. How even though it’s a third world country and there isn’t a lot of money, we prioritize time with family. 

[00:02:12] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you’re 

[00:02:12] Lucia: able to hire help. Isn’t that crazy? Yes. Yeah.

[00:02:15] Lucia: But here it’s, like, so ex- It’s only for the rich people to, like, have nannies or- Mm-hmm … 

[00:02:18] things like 

[00:02:19] Lucia: that. So anyway, um, it was a good life, but then my mom always had this dream of moving here and it happened for her, what we, which we call a postulate. Mm-hmm. Something that you, you know, just, it’s true. And, um, he changed my life because looking back, I don’t think what I would be doing in my country.

[00:02:38] Lucia: I love my country so much, but the opportunities that I have here in America and what I’ve been able to do, and finding Scientology as well. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. ‘Cause there’s nothing in Peru yet. Mm-hmm. I’m gonna make sure that that changes. 

[00:02:50] Aaron: Let’s go. Um, 

[00:02:51] Lucia: but it changed my life. Meaning no, no, like, 

[00:02:53] Aaron: church, but there’s 

[00:02:53] Brad: missions, I believe, no?

[00:02:54] Brad: No, 

[00:02:55] Lucia: no. Oh, no me- no 

[00:02:56] Brad: nothing? 

[00:02:56] Lucia: No, I’m working on a mission. Oh, wow. 

[00:02:58] Brad: Okay, okay. 

[00:02:58] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:02:59] Brad: Is it ’cause of the mountains they [00:03:00] just can’t get out? 

[00:03:00] Lucia: No. No, I’m not from the mountain. Uh, but, uh, but no, not yet. Okay. So, so I wouldn’t have found Scientology in this lifetime- 

[00:03:08] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … 

[00:03:09] Lucia: if I would’ve stayed there or met my husband and then found Scientology.

[00:03:13] Lucia: So yeah, I think I’m very grateful to be in this country. Obviously, I love Peru, but he changed our lives- Wow … by bringing us here. 

[00:03:21] Aaron: Well, yes, the USA is the best country on earth. We have religious freedom, we have economic freedom, we have a lot of rights that are not found in other places. And I wanna highlight one thing or just kind of go into it a little bit because, right, your content is a lot about how men and women work together.

[00:03:40] Aaron: Mm. Mm-hmm. How the, how this, the, the idea of, like, feminism or, like, woman empowerment or, like, powerful woman doesn’t mean you bring a man down. No. You actually are working together to rise, and it’s interesting because your story begins with a man coming into you and your mother’s life- 

[00:03:57] Lucia: Mm-hmm … and 

[00:03:57] Aaron: changing everything.

[00:03:58] Lucia: Yeah. Yeah, it’s, [00:04:00] it’s that big confidence, I think, that you get. I mean, I think some women get mad when I say this, but I am way more confident with, because of my husband. Mm-hmm. And I know that my husband is also more confident with and because of me. 

[00:04:14] Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:15] Lucia: You know, we’re not meant to be alone or just do life alone.

[00:04:18] Lucia: Like- Mm-hmm … you, you have this partnership and this thing called marriage. But finally you mention that because I have, I feel like I’m qualified to talk about these things just because the things that I’ve been through in life- 

[00:04:31] Mm-hmm … 

[00:04:31] Lucia: like with my, my dad, my biological father. 

[00:04:33] Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:34] Lucia: Amazing father. Like, he was a lot wor- older than my mom, and I love that because he was so wise, you know?

[00:04:39] Lucia: Mm. Oh, yeah. And he had so much patience. He would read the dictionary to me for fun. He was like, “Let’s learn words.” No way. What? Yes. Really? Yes. And so I had this vocabulary in Spanish that people, like, I was, like, two years old and I was saying big words and things like that, and people were like, “What, what?”

[00:04:55] Lucia: I was like, “It’s my dad. We read the dictionary for fun.” You know? Um, and he had so much [00:05:00] patience, and so wi- So, like, the first six, seven years of my life, I had the perfect childhood. 

[00:05:05] Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:06] Lucia: Like, my parents were my heroes. They loved each other, respected each other. Like, it was such a healthy household. And then from one day to another, in my, you know, eyes, they turn into villains.

[00:05:16] Mm. Wow. 

[00:05:17] Lucia: And they were just, you know, screaming at each other like I’ve never seen this, these people, in my life. Wow. So imagine, like, having- Your parents? Yeah. Wow. Like, having, like, a perfect childhood. My brother was, like, around one or two years old, and I, like, I became her protector because I didn’t want him to hear them, like, scream.

[00:05:35] Lucia: And you also, in my head, those formative years are so important because- Mm … I believed in marriage. Yeah. You know, one day I’m like, “Oh, one day I’m gonna get married and I’m gonna find- Wow … and it’s gonna be like Mom and Dad.” And then all of a sudden it’s like, “No, I’m n- I, I don’t want this.” Like, I never wanna- I don’t want this.

[00:05:49] Lucia: Wow … like, no. This is, like, horrible. So then they get a divorce- And that’s when kind of my other life started, like my other mindset on marriage [00:06:00] and men. Because yes, when, you know, divorces happen or things like this happen, then my dad was like, “Well, I’m not gonna give you money if you don’t let me stay.”

[00:06:08] Lucia: And then my mom was like, “Well, I don’t need your money. I’m a strong, independent woman.” Mm-hmm. So my mom started opening businesses. 

[00:06:14] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:06:15] Lucia: So for a long time I grew up with a very… My mom had to become strong. Mm-hmm. Like, my mom had no other choice but to become mom and dad, but that is impossible. You cannot do that- Yeah

[00:06:25] Lucia: being a woman, a female. It, it took away that nurturing mother from me. It took away that relationship that I had with her. Wow. Now she had to be tough. She had to be like, “You can’t do this. You can’t go there. No parties, no this.” And I became extremely sheltered ’cause she was- Wow … gone working- Mm … and she couldn’t watch me anymore.

[00:06:41] Lucia: So it, it was like from, like six, seven years old, 14, 15 we moved to the US, worse. My mom and I’s relationship was horrible. But yeah. But wait, but w- 

[00:06:53] Aaron: but, but in the me- in between this, your second dad came into the picture- Yes … before that. 

[00:06:57] Lucia: Right. So then my second dad comes in the [00:07:00] picture when I’m, like 13- Mm

[00:07:02] Lucia: or 14. Well, 13, ’cause they, they, you know, they were, like dating and stuff- Mm-hmm … in Peru, in Lima. And, um, he, he… Well, I’ll get into the story. But I actually lost both of my parents. Like, my, my, both dads, they, one passed from an Alzheimer, my biological father. Wow. And then my second dad from, uh, diabetes. And so I had like- Oh, man

[00:07:25] Lucia: many lives. 

[00:07:26] Oh, 

[00:07:27] Lucia: my God. And, and the father figure was gone twice. Well, first when I moved to here. Yeah. Then my stepdad. Then they actually dropped the body, and that’s why I’m so- Oh … passionate about what I talk, is like- Yeah … you need the family unit- Mm-hmm … because I went through a lot of trouble- Mm

[00:07:43] Lucia: without those two, my father figure. 

[00:07:45] Brad: Just for the context, when, when did each of them drop their body? 

[00:07:48] Lucia: So I was 20, 20 or 21 when my dad passed, my biological father. And then, like two, three years later- Mm … my second dad. 

[00:07:59] Oh, wow. I know. [00:08:00] 

[00:08:00] Lucia: And it was really hard, but um, I basically turned to alcohol and partying.

[00:08:07] Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:07] Lucia: And heavy. 

[00:08:09] Yeah. 

[00:08:09] Lucia: So w- we’ll get into that. Yeah. But um, my dad ca- my, my second dad came into the picture, but my mom was, “Okay, you are gonna be with me. Yes, we’re gonna get married, but you can never, ever say anything to my children.” What? Really? Yes. That, that- That was her, like- That’s my mom You’re like, “You can’t 

[00:08:28] Aaron: even talk 

[00:08:29] Lucia: to them?”

[00:08:29] Lucia: No, no. Like, you can talk to them, but like, you’re not raising them. Okay, I got it. I got it. Um- Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. Like, you know, like- You can say hello 

[00:08:36] Aaron: and get them ice cream and then walk away. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Like, 

[00:08:38] Lucia: but he was like my fa- like, w- my brother and I were looking for that father figure, right?

[00:08:43] Lucia: Mm-hmm. Because from having the perfect childhood to then seeing your dad on the weekend. going to the movies and then he’s dropping you off. Like, that is- Yeah … that is such, like that’s the weirdest thing for a child. Yeah. That’s why I’m so passionate about we have to get this family unit thing right- Mm-hmm

[00:08:58] Lucia: because [00:09:00] society can really just- 100% … fuck you up even more, ’cause kids are looking for stability. Mm-hmm. And you need the, the male f- figure and the female figure. So, so my second dad, he was like, “Okay, yeah,” you know, whatever. What’s his name, by the 

[00:09:15] Aaron: way? 

[00:09:16] Lucia: Javier. Was, 

[00:09:16] Aaron: Javier, okay. Yes. 

[00:09:18] Lucia: And, um, he, he was very respectful.

[00:09:21] Lucia: So if I wanted to like go to a party, like I would ask my mom. Like, he would have no say. 

[00:09:26] Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:26] Lucia: If my brother wanted to do something, he would have no say. And I know my mom was trying to protect us and she was trying to do her best, and she didn’t want us to feel like we had a stepdad, but I, you know, now we talk.

[00:09:38] Lucia: Now we have a much better relationship with my mom, thanks to Scientology. 

[00:09:41] Mm. 

[00:09:42] Lucia: And, um, she’s like, “Yeah, I wish I would’ve allowed him to be- Wow … more of a father figure to you guys.” Yeah. Because my mom and I were just going at it, and he was like, “What do I do? What do I say?” Like, “I can’t- Yeah … I can’t defend you or her,” and, and it, it was, it was messy.

[00:09:55] Lucia: And then we moved to America and it was- Yeah … like worse. 

[00:09:58] Brad: How did, how did he do at handling [00:10:00] that? When he’s in that situation where it’s like sees a situation but isn’t allowed to jump in and do anything. He 

[00:10:05] Lucia: wouldn’t because my mom had already so many years of being this like lion. 

[00:10:11] Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:12] Lucia: And she had to fully put all of her nurturing and soft side, like kill it.

[00:10:18] Lucia: And this is what a lot of women do. Mm. Yeah. You kill your soft, nurturing, feminine energy. You kill it because you’re like, “Well, I wanna make more money, and I wanna do this, and I wanna do that, and I can do it all. I don’t need a man.” And it’s like you’re, you’re saying no to your nature. Like imagine- Wow.

[00:10:34] Lucia: Yeah … living this way. So my mom had to become very, like tough and not mean, but sh- you could tell that she was really trying to be like- And like defensive 

[00:10:42] Aaron: and being protector. 

[00:10:43] Lucia: Yeah. Like, “No, you can’t do this,” or, you know, I became extremely sheltered, too. That’s why at 18 I bounced. I was like, “Bye.” “I am going to do life,” because, um, again, in Scientology we, you know, we have courses about raising children- Mm-hmm

[00:10:59] Lucia: and [00:11:00] teenagers and like when you, the more you say no, no, no, no, no, the worse. You’re creating a monster. 

[00:11:05] Aaron: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So can, can you, can you explain like the differences of kind of what made it worse when you came here to the States? Mm-hmm. Because y- you know, because we are, I mean, the most techni- technologically advanced nation.

[00:11:20] Aaron: Yeah. But maybe we’re not the leaders in everything, right? So what, how, how and why did it get worse when you arrived here? 

[00:11:28] Lucia: Well, I’ll tell you a story. So I was going… M- actually, Javier took me to high school, my first day of high school. And they gave me my schedule and I only saw five courses, like, m- I don’t know, English, math, whatever, history.

[00:11:46] Lucia: And so I’m looking at it and I’m like, “Dad, like- They only gave me Monday schedule. And he’s like, “What do you mean?” I’m like, “Well, there’s only five courses. Like, it’s only Monday.” He’s like, “No, this is for the entire year.” And [00:12:00] back in my country, you take like 12 to 13 different courses- 

[00:12:04] Mm. Oh, wow … in a 

[00:12:05] Lucia: year.

[00:12:06] Lucia: So that was one thing that I was like, “Huh, this is different.” So but now I get to go to public school- Mm-hmm … not private school. It sounds so 

[00:12:12] Brad: boring when you put it that way. I know. Yeah. And in retrospect, it is totally boring. 

[00:12:16] Lucia: Yeah, like, it was, it was weird. I was like, “Okay, easy.” 

[00:12:19] Aaron: So what classes did you miss?

[00:12:20] Aaron: Like, what, what, what were the more c- more classes you had in, in Peru? 

[00:12:23] Lucia: Oh my gosh, I can’t even… I mean, you had religion. 

[00:12:26] Aaron: Oh, wow. Wow. 

[00:12:27] Lucia: I love that. You had, uh, like, you had religion, which was Catholic. I mean, my faith-based religion- Mm-hmm … is Catholicism. 

[00:12:32] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

[00:12:32] Lucia: Um, you have English, history, geography, um, ari- aritmetica.

[00:12:38] Lucia: I don’t know how you say it. Ar- arithmetic. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Math, yeah. Um, algebra. Mm-hmm. Algebra. Yeah. Um, comunicaciones, communications, literature, uh, biology, chemistry. Like, you have the- Wow … like, everything. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you study, like… So every day is different. Like, you have English Mondays and Wednesdays- Mm-hmm

[00:12:57] Lucia: or something like that. So [00:13:00] that was different. And then my first year in high school, which is another story, just to tell you, like, the differences and why it was harder, um, I went into the bathroom. It was like, you break for the next class, and it had this really weird smell. Hmm. Like, I’ve never s- smelt marijuana in my life- Mm-hmm

[00:13:19] Lucia: ever. And I’m like, “Oh, whatever.” I don’t think any- anything of it. I’m like, “It just smells weird. It’s a bathroom.” Mm-hmm. So I go. I’m literally peeing, and I had the security of the high school, because in public high schools back in California, like, they have, like, securities. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, almost like cops- Uh-huh

[00:13:34] Lucia: in high school- Mm-hmm … which was already weird to me. Yeah. Yeah. I’m like, “Why do we have cops in high school?” Is it a cop, 

[00:13:38] Brad: or is it- 

[00:13:38] Lucia: It was, uh, what is it called? In Florida they have to have 

[00:13:40] Brad: a cop in the- No, we had cops … like, school resource officer. We had cops. She had cops then. Yeah. Yeah. We 

[00:13:43] Lucia: had cops, but then they had other w- I don’t know, the instructors.

[00:13:46] Lucia: I don’t, forgot what they were called. Tr- 

[00:13:46] sure. Wow. 

[00:13:47] Lucia: And she starts banging on the door. She’s like, “Get out! Get out!” And I’m like, “What, what is happening?” And I’m, like, 14 years old- … freaking out that I have an adult banging in the bathroom- Mm … to, getting me out of the bathroom, [00:14:00] and I’m literally in there peeing.

[00:14:01] Lucia: I get out, and she’s like, “Give me your hands. Give me your hands.” And I, I don’t, I don’t even speak English at this point. 

[00:14:05] Oh. 

[00:14:06] Lucia: Wow. And she’s like, “Give me your hands.” She grabs my hands, smells them. Uh-huh. And I am in shocked. I’m like, “What is happening? This is an asylum. This is not a school.” I’m like, “What is going on?”

[00:14:19] Lucia: Yeah. And, but when I walked in, there were two girls in the corner. 

[00:14:24] Mm. 

[00:14:24] Lucia: Now I know that they were the ones that were smoking. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But they had left right when I went in, and I’m peeing. Like, they left, and then the instructor comes in, and then she’s, she’s accusing me of smoking marijuana. Mm. Like, “Where is it?”

[00:14:37] Lucia: She’s, like, telling me, “Where…” And I’m like, “I don’t know what you’re saying. I don’t speak English.” And she must have looked at me for a second because I was… She was, you know, like, not there. 

[00:14:45] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:14:46] Lucia: But really saw that I’m like, “I have no idea what you’re talking about, lady.” Right. Like, I don’t know. And she’s like, “Okay.

[00:14:52] Lucia: All right. Go, go, go, go.” And then… And I, I walk out of there, like, shaking. So I go home. I tell my mom and my dad. My dad knew. He’s like, [00:15:00] “Well, people do drugs. Not even people. Kids do drugs in school.” Wow. And I’m like, “What do you mean drugs?” Like, in, back in my country, in Peru, it was the poor people who did drugs.

[00:15:14] Lucia: Mm. That’s what I knew. Oh, wow. Yeah. And my father, because when we would drive around the city in Lima, like the center of the ci- city is very dangerous. 

[00:15:24] Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:25] Lucia: And I would see kids, like, doing weird things with, like, bags or, like- Mm … they were doing drugs. 

[00:15:29] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:15:29] Lucia: And I asked my father, I was like, “What are they doing?”

[00:15:31] Lucia: And he said, I was like, I don’t know, six or seven, he’s like, “They’re doing drugs. And when people do drugs, they go crazy.” Mm-hmm. Yeah. True. A good father. Good father. Yeah. Yeah. And I never forgot that. He’s like, “So you will never do drugs because if you do drugs, you’re gonna turn crazy.” That was my, my lesson on drugs.

[00:15:48] Yep. Yeah. 

[00:15:49] Lucia: And in my head, I’m like, “And it’s my father.” Like, he was, like, the wisest to me. Right, right. I’m like, okay, if he’s telling me not to do drugs. And then I also saw that it was, like, poor people- Mm. Yeah … and [00:16:00] they do that. Yeah, they’re, 

[00:16:00] Aaron: like, the dirt, the guys on the street, you’re gonna see- Yes … they’re dirty or whatnot.

[00:16:03] Aaron: Yes. Yeah. Littering. So I 

[00:16:04] Lucia: was like, yeah, I’m not that. Mm. I’m not them, so it makes sense that I wouldn’t do drugs. Never did, like, street drugs. Mm. But then I started drinking a lot. 

[00:16:13] Yep. 

[00:16:13] Lucia: Um, so, so that, that was a little harder, you know? That was, like, an adjustment. And when my mom heard that story, she just, I think she made a decision to, like, even shelter me even more.

[00:16:24] Brad: Mm. Wow. 

[00:16:25] Lucia: So I wasn’t allowed to do anything. Like, it was school, volleyball practice, home. Like, if I wanna go to a party, it, like, she would drop me- You’re bringing your dad with you … like… Yeah. Or she would drop me off and pick me up, like, at 11:45, when the party was starting, and she… I understand. Yeah. And, and it probably, not probably, for sure saved me from a lot of trouble, like, younger.

[00:16:50] Lucia: Like, in high school, you know, girls are not playing with dolls. I was still playing with dolls- Mm-hmm … when I was 14, like Barbies, and then quickly I had to be like, well, they’re not playing with dolls, playing [00:17:00] with drugs- … alcohol, and they’re having sex. 

[00:17:02] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:17:02] Lucia: And this is 14, 15 year olds. Like, that to me was, I couldn’t comprehend, but, uh, but it was, it was talked…

[00:17:09] Lucia: You know, it was like, “Are you a virgin?” Or, like, things like that. Mm. It was like, why are we talking about this? Like, this is school. So that was culture shock. It’s what people call culture shock. 

[00:17:19] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:17:21] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:17:22] Brad: So what did, what did, what did you, what was your solution for that? 

[00:17:24] Lucia: Mm. 

[00:17:24] Brad: Like, at the, at the time, like, what did, what did you do?

[00:17:27] Lucia: Um, I think one good thing that my mom, because my mom started to ask a lot of questions. She was like, “You need to do a sport.” Smart. “So keep me busy.” So I started volleyball. I played volleyball all through high school. Um, and I happened to have an amazing coach, Mr. Feezy. I don’t know if you would, you remember, but he was like, “She doesn’t speak English, so don’t mess with her.”

[00:17:46] I 

[00:17:48] Lucia: didn’t. I really didn’t. I, I was just, you know, communicating. And there was a lot of Mexicans in, in school, too, so a lot of Spanish. 

[00:17:56] Aaron: This is LA? Yes. Okay. Yeah. 

[00:17:58] Lucia: Yeah. And, um, [00:18:00] but I was lucky to say that w- to use that word. I was lucky with really good teachers. Like, my history teacher will print out the lesson in Spanish because, I mean, can you imagine how many misunderstood words I have- 

[00:18:12] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:13] Yeah … from 

[00:18:13] Lucia: high school, or I had from high school? Like, it was, I don’t know how I graduated. 

[00:18:17] Yeah. 

[00:18:18] Lucia: But I did. Yeah. With a high GPA, too. 

[00:18:20] Brad: Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah. That’s good. 

[00:18:22] Lucia: So, so, so my solution was, I mean, for me, I was doing what my mom was telling me to do. At that time I’d really, I didn’t feel cause over my life.

[00:18:30] Lucia: You had just ripped me away from my friends, my country. Um, you took everything away from me. I was hopeless. I was just like, “Whatever.” But volleyball was good, but it wasn’t until I turned 18 that I was like, “I get to do something.” Because my entire life I grew up being told, “You do as I say- Mm-hmm … because I’m your mother.”

[00:18:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:48] Lucia: And I know she meant well, but volleyball- 

[00:18:50] Aaron: I think a lot of mothers are like that. Yeah. My mom told me the same thing. Yeah. And maybe it’s a Hispanic thing. It is 

[00:18:53] Lucia: definitely a Hispanic thing. 

[00:18:55] Aaron: Like- Yeah, my mom, my mom didn’t do that … I would ask her, like, “Hey.” I would ask, like, “Well, why do I have to do this?”

[00:18:58] Aaron: And she’d be like, “Because I’m your mother.” [00:19:00] Because I’m your- And I’m like, “Okay. 

[00:19:01] Brad: Sounds good.” 

[00:19:01] Lucia: Yeah. Like- You have no say. Yeah. 

[00:19:02] Brad: That, that was my dad’s line. Yeah. Is, “Because I said so.” Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:19:06] Lucia: But see, but I also think it’s different when a, a f- a dad tells you that. 

[00:19:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:19:10] Lucia: I don’t know. I just, again, I didn’t have that father figure, and I know that if I would’ve had that father figure I wouldn’t have turned into a party.

[00:19:20] Lucia: Because y- I didn’t care to come home at, like, in the middle of the night. I didn’t care about my mom. Does that make sense? But I feel like if you had a father figure and you’re like, “Sh-, my dad’s waiting for me,” like- Mm … or, “My dad’s gonna say something,” I 

[00:19:33] Aaron: think- It’s more the repercussion of, like, what, like, the kind of, sort of fear in a way, right?

[00:19:37] Aaron: Yeah. Like a- Yeah. Yeah, 

[00:19:38] Lucia: but it’s a healthy fear- Yeah, yeah … that I think some teenagers especially in this generation need to have. They 

[00:19:43] Aaron: need a little more- 

[00:19:44] Lucia: A little more, yeah, discipline … yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or being, like, held accountable for, for things. Especially, and if you’re a woman, I know women don’t like this, some women don’t like this, but you are in more danger.

[00:19:54] Lucia: Like, you- Mm-hmm … you will get yourself in 

[00:19:56] Brad: situations. 100,000%. Absolutely. 

[00:19:59] Lucia: Yeah. [00:20:00] Yeah. 

[00:20:00] Brad: Okay, so where, you turn 18. 

[00:20:03] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:20:03] Brad: Where, can you, can you maybe, like, identify a point where, ’cause it sounds like it went a little bad for a little while in life- Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:10] Mm-hmm … 

[00:20:11] Brad: in terms of, like, the alcohol and- Mm-hmm … and heavy, like, partying and stuff.

[00:20:16] Brad: Can you identify a point where that started for you? 

[00:20:21] Lucia: It, it was very gradual- Mm … because it’s very normal and I don’t know, in like… Where are you from? Venezuela, right? Venezuela, yeah. Okay, but you grew up here- But I grew up in Miami. You grew up in Miami. Okay. Miami, 

[00:20:31] Aaron: which is party central. I, like, yeah, 

[00:20:32] Lucia: but it’s very Hispanic-

[00:20:33] Lucia: very Latin. Very extremely. And, and what I mean by gradual is that back in Peru it’s very normal for people to drink, like every weekend. So one, I grew up around social drinking. Like, we would get together, they’ll drink, and it was like a normal thing. When I turned 18 I celebrated my 18th birthday in Lima, so I was legal to drink, so we went out to bars, clubs, and I was drinking, and it was, like, normal.

[00:20:56] Lucia: Yeah. It was gradual. Um, but then [00:21:00] I started to have, like, no purpose. I really realized that I had no purpose. Before I was under my mom’s care. 

[00:21:07] Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:08] Lucia: But then when I moved out, I was like, “I have to buy my own toilet paper, my own toothbrush.” Like- Mm … a- and, and, and it was, like, this responsibility that, huh, this is weird.

[00:21:17] Lucia: Like, this is being an adult. Like, this is kinda weird. A- and, and then I go, “I don’t wanna do this.” Not, like, not really thinking like this. Now I’m telling you this, but what I did is, “I don’t wanna do this. Let me just go party and spend money and get drunk.” 

[00:21:29] Yeah. Mm. So it was my way 

[00:21:31] Lucia: of, like, escaping responsibilities, which were minimal, but I wasn’t ready for it.

[00:21:35] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:36] Lucia: And I think- 

[00:21:37] Brad: Did you realize at the time that you’re like, “Oh, I have no purpose. Let me-” 

[00:21:41] Lucia: No. 

[00:21:42] Brad: Oh, okay. 

[00:21:42] Lucia: No, it was like, it was, like, just everyone else is doing it. People are going to the bar, the nightclub. 

[00:21:47] Yeah, you’re just bored. You’re bored. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:21:49] Lucia: Yeah. You’re bored because you don’t, you don’t have a purpose.

[00:21:50] Lucia: And it be- also, you know, you, you think you, you can’t do something ’cause you’re just so young, but that’s wrong. 

[00:21:56] True. That’s true. 

[00:21:57] Lucia: Like- Totally … I had a bigger purpose when I was 12 [00:22:00] than when I was 18, right? Like, it’s crazy- Yeah, that’s so strange … 

[00:22:02] how 

[00:22:03] Lucia: that works. Yep. Um, so then I started going out. I think it got really bad when I started going…

[00:22:10] Lucia: Like, I would go out from Tuesday night, ’cause I lived in a town called Riverside, which is not LA, and they’d have, like, nightclubs for every day. Mm-hmm. So it was like Tuesday this, Wednesday that, Thursday this, Friday, Saturday, Sunday brunch. Mm-hmm. So I was drinking from Tuesday to Sunday. 

[00:22:26] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:22:27] Lucia: And then that must have lasted for, like, a year.

[00:22:30] Aaron: Wow. Wow. So you got Monday to be sober. 

[00:22:32] Lucia: I got Monday to, like, recover. 

[00:22:34] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:22:35] Lucia: And it became normal. Like, I don’t th- it, ’cause it wasn’t als- also, I would compare myself to the worst, right? 

[00:22:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:43] Lucia: So I always had this like, “Well, I’m better than because I don’t do drugs.” 

[00:22:47] Brad: Oh, the people in your environment. 

[00:22:48] Lucia: Yeah. Mm.

[00:22:49] Lucia: So my environment was not, like, the best, so I was like, “Well, I’m better than because I’m not going home with men.” 

[00:22:54] Aaron: Right. 

[00:22:55] Lucia: But I’m just drinking. I’m having a good time, and at that, I had a boyfriend on [00:23:00] and off, on and off, same, same boyfriend. And I was like, “Well, I’m better than,” but, like, what happens when you’re in an environment like this is you’re comparing yourself to- Mm

[00:23:07] Lucia: you’re better, better than the worst. 

[00:23:09] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:10] Lucia: So, you know, it, you normalize- It’s like, excellent. Were- Yeah … you, it- You’re just getting drunk. That’s totally fine … so 

[00:23:15] Aaron: what was kind of, like, in your circle- Like there were a lot of hard drugs, people close to you? Or how, how was that? 

[00:23:23] Lucia: Um, no. Like my close friends were not doing hard drugs.

[00:23:26] Lucia: Mm-hmm. Um, just like drinking a lot. But then I started going out to LA and that’s the first time I saw pills- Mm-hmm … cocaine. Mm-hmm. And, and I would have my father’s voice. People turn crazy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they would, and I would be so scared. And you saw it, that you saw it. Yeah. I know, yeah, I’d be like, “We gotta get out of here.

[00:23:43] Lucia: Like, they’re gonna kill me.” Like, that’s what I was thinking. I’m like, “They’re gonna just flip. Someone’s gonna flip and they’re gonna like…” ‘Cause they were acting- Which can happen … 

[00:23:49] Brad: which can happen. Yeah, no, I was gonna say- It hap- 

[00:23:52] Lucia: happens, happens every day. Happens every day … it totally happened, yeah. And so I, that’s the first time I started seeing, like drugs like that.

[00:23:59] Lucia: But [00:24:00] the people, it, which is kind of, I don’t think everyone gets honestly this lucky, but I, I had this, I knew that I was inside. Mm-hmm. Like me. And it was a faint, like, it was like, “Hey, like, let’s not do that,” you know? You wanna do big things in life. Like, you wanna com- it was like very, very far, but it was me.

[00:24:17] Lucia: Mm-hmm. And I, and, and, and… But then there was other things. Was like, “No, let’s go party. Let’s do this, let’s do that.” But I knew. So I think because I, I was listening to that little voice inside of me, that some way, somehow I surrounded myself with people that would protect me because honestly, I was in situations- Wow

[00:24:35] Lucia: that were very, very, like, I mean, I got drugged once. Mm. Somebody wanted to take me, and my friends were like, they knew that I wasn’t a girl that get drunk and like goes home with a, with a random, so they were like, “No, you’re not taking her.” Mm. And I, and I was, that was the first time I was like fully like out.

[00:24:53] Aaron: Whoa. So- Probably like a roofy, right, or something? I, 

[00:24:56] Lucia: until today, I, yeah, I don’t even know. But I, like blacked out. I [00:25:00] had one drink and I was like- Yeah … I didn’t remember the next day. Wow. My friends called my mom. Like, that’s how the people that I was sur- I mean, they were not, they’re not bad people. We were all just- Mm-hmm

[00:25:10] Lucia: in the same, but we were around ba- bad people. Yeah. Mm. We were in environments where you had somebody that had drugged me. Mm-hmm. That wanted to take me- Mm … drugged. So, and I put myself in that environment. And I know society says, “Well, no, it’s, you know, not the woman’s fault.” Exactly. So 

[00:25:26] Aaron: you’re the victim.

[00:25:26] Aaron: Put you as the victim. Yeah. Yeah. You 

[00:25:27] Lucia: full victim, and it’s like that is the worst. I would rather be the villain, and I know it sounds bad, but I’d rather be the villain than the victim because when you’re the victim, you’re just- Well, wouldn’t we all? Yeah, but- At least you can 

[00:25:36] Brad: get cause. 

[00:25:37] Lucia: Yeah, exactly.

[00:25:38] Lucia: You’re a cause. Yeah. And like, so at this point, when that happened, you know, I, I was so embarrassed with my mom, but I had people around me that would protect me, or they’re like, “Hey, Lucia doesn’t do drugs. Like, don’t, don’t do that in front of her.” 

[00:25:50] Aaron: Wow. Well, I, I think there’s something so interesting that you said because your friends, because they knew you weren’t going around and sleeping around, [00:26:00] they protect you from this dude.

[00:26:01] Aaron: But let’s say you were getting more drunk and were going with guys, they would’ve been like, “Oh, that’s normal.” Oh, they would’ve let, yeah. Of course. They would let you go. They would’ve been like, “Oh, this is, what she does.” And you would’ve just then- Wow. 

[00:26:09] Lucia: And who kn- honestly, who knows what would’ve happened.

[00:26:11] Lucia: ‘Cause I know who it was. Mm. 

[00:26:12] Aaron: I know exactly 

[00:26:13] Lucia: who it was. I know like the profile and, and, and he was watching me ever since like I walked in. But it’s that voice, your intuition. People call it intuition, right? It’s, it’s you. You are the most powerful thing ever. Mm-hmm. And you know when you’re in danger. You…

[00:26:30] Lucia: I mean, it was an exterior experience for me. Mm. Like, I was like- Wow … I saw the guy, and then I turned around, and then now I’m passed out, and then I’m, the next day I’m in my house. And I’m like, “How did, how did I get here?” Mm. But my own friends called my mom because they knew. Also, they’ve seen me drunk, and I was like a, like a fun drunk, you know?

[00:26:49] Lucia: Yeah. Like, I wouldn’t, like, be sloppy or, like, to, to, to the point where I couldn’t walk- Right … or almost pass out. So my mom came to pick me up with my brother. [00:27:00] My brother was like, “This isn’t… Like, she’s not drunk. Like, this is something else.” 

[00:27:05] Yeah. 

[00:27:05] Lucia: And so things like that where I put myself in those situations.

[00:27:10] Lucia: Mm-hmm. But again, there’s this greatness inside of you that you have to listen to. When you stop listening to that greatness, then you forget it. Yeah. Then you keep going down the, the wrong path. So yes, I wasn’t doing hardcore drugs or I wasn’t going, you know, around and sleeping around, but I was in environments that if I would’ve stayed there- Mm-hmm

[00:27:30] Lucia: it would’ve became- Makes it worse … the next thing to do. Yep. Yeah, 

[00:27:33] Aaron: correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. You’re on the edge, it always goes a little further. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So then was that the turning point, like, when that happened? Or, or what kind of, what, like, popped you out of this kind of direction you were going?

[00:27:44] Lucia: Yeah. Well, I mean, that was scary, so I was like, “I’m not gonna drink anymore.” Wow. “I’m gonna stop drinking.” Um- Like, fully? Like cold 

[00:27:51] Aaron: turkey, like zero, or what? No, that’s what I said. Okay. 

[00:27:54] Lucia: Right? Um, and my friends, “Let’s go out. Let’s do this. Let’s do [00:28:00] that.” So I kept work- I had, like, three jobs. Um, I was on and off with this boyfriend, and we finally broke up.

[00:28:06] Lucia: That was, like, also another turning point- Mm … where I was like, “Okay, like, I wanna find a husband.” 

[00:28:12] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:28:12] Lucia: And that’s really where my- Really? … turning point started. Wow. Yeah. It was, it was like, “I’m, I’m done.” 

[00:28:17] Aaron: Was that, was that popular with your friends though? Is it… And our friends are probably not getting all married, no?

[00:28:21] Aaron: No, no. They were… I mean- It doesn’t sound like the married kind of young married … I had really good 

[00:28:24] Lucia: friends that one already had a child, and then the other one was like, “F men. I don’t need them.” Mm. And yeah, it was, like, not… I, I, I did not tell, say this to my friends. Like, they would’ve made fun of me. Right.

[00:28:36] Lucia: Yeah. That you wanted to get married? That I wanna get married, wanna find a husband. Yeah. Like, “What are you talking about?” Yeah. You’re, like, 23, 24. Like, what do you mean? Wow. But it was the breakup, it was that situation that, um, it just kind of shook me a little bit, obviously. Mm-hmm. You know? It’s like this, like I didn’t feel good about myself.

[00:28:52] Lucia: And I thought of the things that could’ve happened to me if this person would’ve taken me. 

[00:28:57] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:57] Lucia: And I was like, that, like, that’s so [00:29:00] scary. And- Mm … putting my mom through that, putting my brother, my, my brother watching me in that condition, it was just like, I don’t like this. 

[00:29:08] Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:08] Lucia: And this is not who I am.

[00:29:09] Lucia: So in my mind, I remember this, the first time I downloaded an Audible. I mean, this was what? 20- 2011 or ’12 Mm-hmm. And I said, How to Get Over a Man or something like that. And it was, like, my first Audible book, and I started listening to it. It was my first personal devel- Like, there was no personal development back then.

[00:29:31] Lucia: Yeah. Right. Yeah, that’s true. You know, there was no podcast, no, like- Mm-hmm … YouTube was only, like, how to do your makeup, you know? Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:35] Yeah. 

[00:29:35] Lucia: So that was, like, my turning point, and a few months after, I was like, “Yeah, I wanna get married. I wanna find a husband.” And I would pray a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I started to pray a lot.

[00:29:45] Lucia: Yeah. And, um, I was like, “I, I’m not gonna party anymore. Like, please just send me a husband.” Like, “I just want a husband.” Wow. Whoa. Like, “Can you just please send me a husband?” Like, “I want to get married.” But it was that, it was, like, full circle moment [00:30:00] because I really reconnected to that little girl that had that perfect childhood with her parents- Mm-hmm.

[00:30:06] Wow … and 

[00:30:06] Lucia: saw an ideal marriage. I mean, my parents were beautiful together. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:10] My 

[00:30:11] Lucia: dad was, like, the most gentle man. My mom was such a lady, and then they changed. So it was- Wow … like, crazy. So I, I was eating a lot of the feminist stuff, “I don’t need a man.” Mm-hmm. I, I wor- I had three jobs- 

[00:30:25] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

[00:30:26] Brad: before 

[00:30:26] Lucia: I asked any man. I was gonna ask, 

[00:30:27] Brad: what are your, what were your three jobs? 

[00:30:29] Lucia: So I worked as a teacher, okay? Really? Yes, for a while. Then I also worked as a server at a, like, it was, like, a five-star hotel in Riverside. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then I was doing also promo model jobs, which involved alcohol unfortunately.

[00:30:47] Lucia: Yeah, yeah. But, like, you know, I was doing, like, working with brands. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:51] Yeah. 

[00:30:52] Lucia: Um, then I also worked at a car dealership for a little bit, so I was working there from, like, 7:00 AM to, like, 3:00. And then after that I was clocking in for [00:31:00] my, um, serving job. So I just- Yeah … started working. 

[00:31:03] Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:04] Lucia: And I didn’t have, like, the time to go partying because the next day I had to- Mm

[00:31:09] Lucia: wake up and go to work again. 

[00:31:11] Aaron: I mean, that’s good. Honestly, good solution. Yeah, good solution. 

[00:31:13] Lucia: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, because also I was gonna get kicked out of my place. I needed to come up with the money. Mm-hmm. Wow, you just reminded me that. The, the ex-boyfriend breaks up with me. I was working at h- his restaurant.

[00:31:23] Brad: Oh, wow. It was in 

[00:31:24] Lucia: my other side hustle, and so we cut that income. So it’s like, yeah, we’re done. Like, yeah. Was he the owner of the 

[00:31:31] Aaron: restaurant or no? 

[00:31:32] Lucia: His dad was. 

[00:31:33] Aaron: His dad was? Nice. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so when he broke up with you and he’s like, “Yo, Dad, fire, fire this chick.” 

[00:31:36] Lucia: Yeah, like, that’s it. Well, I broke up with him.

[00:31:39] Lucia: Okay, okay. And I was like, “Don’t ever call me. I am done.” And it was always this toxic, like… And he never called me. Oh. Like, this ac- this time it actually happened, and I was like, “Wait a minute. What?” Whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, yeah. So I was like, “Okay, well, I guess I just have to go get more jobs.” And so I went and I got, like, a job immediately, and every, I…[00:32:00] 

[00:32:00] Lucia: Yeah, I just figured it out and then, ’cause I had to pay my rent. 

[00:32:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:32:04] Lucia: I was short on rent, and if I didn’t pay my rent they were gonna kick me out. 

[00:32:06] Brad: Paying the rent, pretty good motivator. 

[00:32:08] Lucia: Yes. Yeah. You pull these things in because, you know, you’re trying to survive. You’re trying to just make it. And, um, but anyway, I, I was like, “Okay, I wanna get married.”

[00:32:16] Lucia: I started praying. I started doing personal development. I stopped partying so much. I was only going out Fridays and Saturdays- Mm … which for me, that was huge. Like- 

[00:32:23] Mm-hmm … 

[00:32:23] Lucia: that was like, “Okay, we cut the, the week in two.” Now I’m on the weekends. Um, and Steve came into my life. 

[00:32:32] Aaron: How, how did that happen? I was gonna say, more detail.

[00:32:35] Aaron: More detail. 

[00:32:35] Lucia: Um, so my friend, um, Daniella, who’s now also a Scientologist- Oh, yeah, yeah, 

[00:32:41] yeah … 

[00:32:42] Lucia: we met when I had just moved from Peru to California. She had just moved from Colombia to California, and so yeah. 

[00:32:49] Brad: Wait, you met her back, back then? Oh, Daniella 

[00:32:51] Lucia: and I go way back. Like years. We should 

[00:32:53] Brad: bring her on. No, I didn’t know that.

[00:32:54] Lucia: Yeah. Learning shit. We should. Come on. Yeah. So- Wow … we, we, we say that, like, we’ve known each other f- like, [00:33:00] that was our past life. 

[00:33:01] Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:02] Lucia: In Riverside, like, we partied together. We’ve known our ex-boyfriends. Like, we’ve seen the best and the worst of each other. And so she, one day calls me. She’s like, “Hey, I’m moving to Miami with my boyfriend.”

[00:33:13] Lucia: And I’m like, “Ew, who moves for a guy?” Like, I was very in the- Oh. Wow 

[00:33:17] Aaron: But wait, is this still when you, you already wanted a husband, or this is before you wanted a husband? 

[00:33:21] Lucia: No, I wanted a husband, but I was still, like, feminist mindset. 

[00:33:23] Brad: Oh. 

[00:33:24] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:33:24] Lucia: Like, I was, I just wanted the comfort of, like, a partner. Mm. I wanted to get married, have kids, but I was like, “But I’m just not gonna depend on a man.”

[00:33:30] Lucia: But you’re not gonna move for a man. Yeah. And I’m not gonna move- Boss wife … for us the… Exactly. Yeah. I was like, “I’m a boss. I don’t need a man.” Yeah. I just want the company, and, like, I want, I just want to have a husband. But see, the idea of me of a husband was very different than what it truly is. Mm. Right?

[00:33:44] Lucia: I just wanted to have somebody. 

[00:33:45] Yeah. Okay. 

[00:33:46] Lucia: And so Daniella’s like, “I’m moving.” I’m like, “Well, you’re, you’re stupid. Like, I don’t… Who moves for a guy?” You know? Like that’s… I would never do that. So you know, I was like, “Okay, well, good [00:34:00] luck. Bye. See you.” So she moves there two or three years or whatever. She calls me one day.

[00:34:04] Lucia: She’s like, “Hey, I’m back in town. Let’s go party.” I was like, “Yeah, let’s go party.” Like, I went through, you know, everything. She, we would, it was that friendship- This is three years 

[00:34:10] Aaron: later? … 

[00:34:11] Lucia: that she moved from Miami. 

[00:34:13] Aaron: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

[00:34:14] Lucia: To Miami. Um, but Daniella and I is that friendship that you don’t talk to for, like, months, but then- Yeah

[00:34:18] Lucia: when you see each other, you know, it’s just like. 

[00:34:20] Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:21] Lucia: So we went, and we partied. It was a Friday or a Saturday. Um, and she’s like, “Where’s your, your boyfriend?” I was like, “Oh, I’ve, I’ve been single. I’ve been single for, like, four months, and I’m great, and I’m…” And she goes, “This time for sure? Like, you guys are for sure?”

[00:34:37] Lucia: Oh, ’cause she knew 

[00:34:37] the- Yeah, 

[00:34:38] Lucia: like the back and forth. I was like, “No, this four months is, like, the top. Like, I haven’t talked to him.” She goes, “You need to meet my friend Steve.” Mm. But very, like, “You need to meet this guy.” And I’m like, “You’re crazy. I don’t… No.” Like, “No, he lives over there. I live… I’m looking for, like, something real.”

[00:34:55] Lucia: Yeah. Like, “I’m looking for somebody that’s,” you know. 

[00:34:57] Yeah. 

[00:34:57] Lucia: She’s like, “No, you need to meet him.” We’re, we’re, we we’re [00:35:00] drinking. She’s like, “Let me FaceTime him.” Thank 

[00:35:02] God he didn’t 

[00:35:03] Lucia: answer. Uh, but the next day he was like, “Hey, what’s up?” Like, she’s like, “I found your wife.” ‘Cause Daniella knew me. Like she- Yeah.

[00:35:13] Lucia: Mm-hmm … you, you know, we knew each other. We knew who we really were. We, we were good people. Mm-hmm. We were just girls that were a little wild for a little bit. Um, and he als- she also knew Steve because she had been living in Miami for three years. And Steve and Todd, they work together- Mm-hmm … so they’ve known each other as well.

[00:35:29] Lucia: And so she goes, “Whenever I ask Steve what kind of woman she’s looking for,” ’cause he also wants to get married- Mm-hmm … he describes me, you. 

[00:35:37] Wow. But I, and I would always think 

[00:35:39] Lucia: of you, but I would never tell him because I knew you were with- 

[00:35:42] You. Mm-hmm … this 

[00:35:42] Lucia: guy. And I was like, “That’s weird.” So- We, so Steve, um, gets my number, and he cold FaceTimes me like a good salesman that he is.

[00:35:54] Lucia: Yes. And of course I didn’t answer. I was like, “Daniella, what the… What is wrong with this guy?” Like, “Why is he FaceTiming me?” [00:36:00] He’s like, “Answer.” I wanna point something out. 

[00:36:01] Brad: She said cold FaceTime, like the good salesman that he is. If you’re in sales, take notes. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:36:07] Lucia: Yeah, he did not hesitate. He was like, “I need to see if this is real.”

[00:36:11] Brad: And I 

[00:36:12] Lucia: was like, “Well, listen, I’m not gonna FaceTime you.” He called me on my mom’s birthday, so it’s September. And then we talked on the phone and texting here and there. September, October, November, Daniella says, “Come to Miami- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … for my birthday.” And 

[00:36:26] I was like, “Ah.” Ah, I see what she’s doing there.

[00:36:28] Yeah, I see 

[00:36:28] Lucia: what you’re doing. I’m going for your birthday. I’m not going for a man. Mm-hmm. I’m going for your birthday. There we 

[00:36:33] go. 

[00:36:33] Lucia: But obviously Steve and I had been talking, and ever since I came to Miami for Daniella’s birthday, he started flying to California to see me almost every week for nine months.

[00:36:44] Aaron: Wow. Wow. 

[00:36:46] Lucia: And then he was like, “Hey, you should move to Miami.” 

[00:36:48] Aaron: Just for the weekend, I guess, right? Like- Yeah, like he would- ‘Cause he, yeah, he’s working. He’s, he’s working … Yes. 

[00:36:51] Lucia: So Friday he would leave work at 6:00, get on a plane at 8:00. Mm. Arrived in LA at midnight LA time. [00:37:00] Oh my God, which is 3:00 AM- We would go out

[00:37:02] Lucia: on the- We would go out. For him … Yeah … we would go out to, like, a little bar or something. And then the next day we would go hiking or something like that. That was Saturday. And then Sunday at noon he was leaving back to Miami- Wow … to work on Monday. 

[00:37:15] Aaron: So he basically fell in love right away. 

[00:37:17] Lucia: Yeah, it, it was- Solid.

[00:37:18] Lucia: Solid. It was, it was- That was dedicated … it was a pretty, like… Yeah, it was, like, commitment. And I didn’t know he was a Scientologist. Right. Up until then I’ve never heard anything about Scientology. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I didn’t even know Scientology existed. Yeah. Nothing. 

[00:37:30] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:31] Lucia: Um, but- But 

[00:37:32] Aaron: Steve already was a Scientologist.

[00:37:34] Lucia: Mm-hmm. I- 

[00:37:34] Aaron: And he, I just have to say, I think he took a little page out of Mr. Grant Cardone’s book. 

[00:37:38] Lucia: Uh-huh. ‘

[00:37:39] Aaron: Cause that sounds a lot- Ah, yeah. That sounds a lot like the story- Yeah … you know? Yes. So you like… Anyway, it’s fine. Yeah, 

[00:37:44] Lucia: no, he, he, he’s pretty committed, and I think it is, you know, Grant is a great mentor.

[00:37:48] Lucia: Like, Steve’s been with him since, for 12 years- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … when he had his first office in Miami. And, you know, I think they were making, like, 2, 3 million a year, and now they’re doing 600 million in, [00:38:00] in- That’s great … multiple companies. And it’s just been an amazing journey and ride, and I’m so grateful that some way, somehow, I, like- met Steve and then I met Grant and Elaine now who are amazing people, and then watched the entire empire grow, it’s impossible for you not to want to- Mm-hmm

[00:38:16] Lucia: get better. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I’m super grateful for that, but he, he definitely showed me commitment and communication, something that I hadn’t seen in a man ever. Wow. 

[00:38:26] Brad: Wow. 

[00:38:27] Lucia: And then he told me he was a Scientologist. I was, “I don’t know what that means.” How, how 

[00:38:31] Brad: far, how far in? 

[00:38:32] Lucia: Um, when we were talking.

[00:38:33] Lucia: Yeah. So we hadn’t met in person, but he would call me after work, so he would leave at 6:00. He would drive to the org- Mm-hmm … which, it’s our church in Miami, which was like a 45-minute drive. So we would talk for 45 minutes. Oh, on the drive. He’d call you on his drive. Yeah. Talking is so good 

[00:38:48] Aaron: on the drive.

[00:38:48] Aaron: The drives are awesome for that, I’ve said before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then 

[00:38:50] Lucia: he would have to hang up. Yeah. And I was pissed. ‘Cause I’m like, “Why is it just 40 minutes that I get?” Yeah. Like, and what, [00:39:00] and I’m like, “And what do you mean you’re going to church every day?” Yeah. Like, “I don’t believe you.” What kind- No.

[00:39:04] Lucia: Oh, but 

[00:39:05] Aaron: it’s true. I’ve heard this. Yeah. And I’m like- Yeah, yeah, yeah … “What do you mean?” Who goes to church every day? Who 

[00:39:08] Lucia: goes to church every day? Mm. Yeah. Like, and at nighttime? Forget it. Like, no. I was like- This boy, this guy’s a player … no, like, yeah. I was like- Yeah … no. But, like, and this crazy Latina side of me was coming out.

[00:39:19] Lucia: You’re, like, assuming he has, like, 

[00:39:20] Brad: band practice. Yeah. Like, he’s on the bass or something. I’m like, “What is he 

[00:39:22] Lucia: doing?” Yeah. But he was so, like, again, the communication was so good- 

[00:39:27] Mm-hmm … 

[00:39:28] Lucia: that it would calm me down. Oh. And I was like, “This guy’s either really, like, a sweet talker or I’m, I’m dumb or- Yeah … or he’s real.”

[00:39:35] Lucia: Yeah. Like, he’s not cheating on me. Yeah. Right. He’s not… I mean, imagine how long, I mean, first of all, we weren’t boyfriend and girlfriend, but I was like, “I don’t wanna waste my time talking to a guy.” Yeah, yeah. So I called Daniella. I’m like, “What is this church?” Like, she goes, “No, yeah, they, they do go every day.”

[00:39:48] Lucia: “And they do study.” And I’m like, “Okay, whatever.” So one day we’re talking and I’m like, “Hey, like, is it every…” And then Saturdays and Sundays. Like, he- So I’m like, “Why do [00:40:00] you, why, why do you go so much?” Like, you know. Mm-hmm. “What is this?” Mm-hmm. He’s like, “Well, it’s like, like school. Like, I go study.” And then he gets a little serious because I was kind of, like, poking a little too much.

[00:40:11] Lucia: Mm. Yeah. Like, uh, what sounds kind of stupid, basically. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He’s like, “Look, I’m a Scientologist. This is what I’m gonna be doing- Mm-hmm … for a long time, and it will never change.” Mm-hmm. But, like, that. 

[00:40:24] Yep. Yeah. 

[00:40:26] Lucia: And I was like, “Oh, okay.” That, that was it. This was, like, the first few weeks that we were talking.

[00:40:34] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:34] Lucia: Then when I met him in person, then he would go, he gave me, like, a Way to Happiness book, and I would read it, and I’d be like, “This is like the Ten Commandments. Like, of course everybody knows this.” You know? Mm-hmm. Mm. I was like- Yeah … I was trying to be, like, a smartass. Mm-hmm. Like, “I know this already.

[00:40:48] Lucia: I’m a good person.” 

[00:40:50] Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:50] Lucia: Um, but I was, I read the whole book. Like, I was like, “This is good.” You know? Um, then I would go visit him in Miami, and I would see all the books. And then I would kind of [00:41:00] look and I’m like, “Huh, this is interesting. Okay, whatever.” But in my mind I’m like, “Hey, um, this is, this is going well,” like m- months into dating.

[00:41:07] Lucia: Mm-hmm. “Can you marry a Catholic girl?” 

[00:41:10] Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:10] Lucia: He says, “Yeah.” I’m like, “What do you mean? You’re from another religion. Like, that, that doesn’t… Like, I don’t know if… Can I marry another, a Scientologist?” And he’s like, “Well,” he goes, “Well, I c- I can marry you.” Yeah. Like, he’s like, w- “So we would marry at a church, like, with a priest.”

[00:41:28] Lucia: I was very like, like, I was trying to find something wrong with the guy, you know? Yeah, 

[00:41:33] yeah. 

[00:41:33] Lucia: And, um, he’s like, “Yeah, we can do that.” “But your religion is not gonna say anything about it?” “No.” This is a weird religion. They don’t baptize you. They don’t force you to marry within your religion. Um, it was weird to me.

[00:41:48] Lucia: Mm-hmm. It wasn’t until I moved in with him. Wow, that’s a good point. Right? Yeah. 

[00:41:51] Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:52] Lucia: We don’t do that. 

[00:41:53] Yeah. 

[00:41:53] Lucia: We welcome every religion. It’s something that I love, love so much about Scientology. Yeah. You get to meet so many people. [00:42:00] So anyway, that was how I met him. 

[00:42:02] Aaron: So you, so you were into the marriage thing, though, before him.

[00:42:05] Aaron: I know. Had you guys, had you guys already talked about marriage or you just kind of said it like- 

[00:42:08] Lucia: No, I, yeah. Was that how you first- No, we did … talked about marriage? Yeah, we did very early on because I was like, “I’m looking for a husband.” 

[00:42:13] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:42:14] Lucia: And funny story, I was like, “I’m looking for a husband.” He’s like, “Okay, yeah, I’m looking also for, you know, to get married.”

[00:42:19] Lucia: And then I was still going out on Fri- Fridays and Saturdays. Oh, 

[00:42:23] Aaron: snap. And 

[00:42:24] Lucia: I was posting it on, like, Snapchat or… ‘Cause it was like, you know. 

[00:42:27] Aaron: Yeah, 

[00:42:28] Lucia: yeah, yeah. He never- The, the cool thing, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know? Yeah. But he never asked me to be his girlfriend. We were just talking. 

[00:42:32] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:42:33] Lucia: And one day he calls me, the next day after I had posted I went out with my girlfriends, and he goes, “Hey, um, so I just want you to know that, you know, I’m looking for something serious and if you are someone that is going to be serious to me, I don’t really like that you’re going out to nightclubs.”

[00:42:49] Lucia: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:49] And 

[00:42:51] Lucia: I was like, this is the first time a man, first of all, has ever talked to me like that. Mm. 

[00:42:55] But it 

[00:42:56] Lucia: wasn’t, like, like, an authority, [00:43:00] like, you shouldn’t do it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, it was like, “This is what I want.” 

[00:43:04] Yep. 

[00:43:04] Lucia: And then, you know, “If you w- want to still g…” He ga- he told me, he said, “If you still wanna go out, that’s fine, but that’s not what I’m looking for.”

[00:43:11] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:12] Lucia: Very calm, very good communication, you know? And I was like, “Oh, okay.” And I think because he wasn’t reactive, I, I, I wouldn’t get reactive. ‘Cause if I would’ve had that conversation with an ex-boyfriend, would’ve been like, “Bye.” Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, “I’m gonna do whatever I want.” Yeah. I was like, well, I rem- clearly remember saying, “Well, I like you, too, so if you don’t like that I guess I won’t go out.”

[00:43:34] Lucia: Oh. Like, it was very like- Nice, nice. Yeah … you know? It was like, “Okay, fine.” And so I stopped going out and he’s like, “Okay. I mean, we can go out.” He’s like, “If you like to go out dance, like, we can go out.” Yeah. But you know, it’s, he, then he went more into it. He’s like, “But if you go to a nightclub and you’re single, like, people are, are looking for things there.”

[00:43:49] Lucia: Mm-hmm. And I was like, “Well, I, I don’t talk to guys.” And he’s like, “Yeah, but it’s the environment.” 

[00:43:53] Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:53] Lucia: Yeah. Yeah, I didn’t know anything about- That’s true … the environment. That’s something, yeah. I, to me, I was blind by- What I had been doing for such a long time 

[00:43:59] [00:44:00] No. 

[00:44:01] Lucia: Women look at this as controlling. 

[00:44:03] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:03] Mm. But 

[00:44:05] Lucia: I would say, like, I mean, what was good about going to the cl- nightclub anyway? 

[00:44:08] Yeah. 

[00:44:09] Lucia: Spending money, getting drunk. What was good, it was like, I like dancing, but other than that, I would love to be dancing with my partner- Yeah … not with anybody else. So- And of course 

[00:44:21] Aaron: other guys are gonna approach you, and they’re gonna- Totally

[00:44:22] Aaron: hit on you, and they’re gonna- Yeah, it’s a 

[00:44:23] Lucia: lie that you go and, oh, it’s just… You know. 

[00:44:26] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:44:27] Lucia: Like, people are- Agreed … gonna… Also, we learn this in Scientology, there are flows. 

[00:44:31] Mm-hmm. 

[00:44:31] Lucia: Right? Like, now I don’t get hit on at all- Mm … not even on Instagram or when I go out with my girlfriends. We don’t go to nightclubs, but let’s say we go to, like, a brunch- Dude, I don’t get hit on either

[00:44:40] Lucia: or things like that. 

[00:44:41] Brad: Gains of Scientology. 

[00:44:42] Lucia: Yeah. That’s great. Exactly. Like, you don’t- I’ve just never been hit on 

[00:44:45] Aaron: in my life. So it’s, it’s all good. 

[00:44:47] Lucia: I just think it’s really interesting, right? Yeah. How when you, when you practice Scientology- Mm-hmm … and you, you learn the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard and how the mind works and why we do certain things and [00:45:00] why people, and then you’re just so clean.

[00:45:02] Lucia: Mm-hmm. You’re free to go out. I’m not gonna put myself in an environment of a nightclub either. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

[00:45:06] Yeah. 

[00:45:06] Lucia: Um, but no, I don’t, I don’t. And Steve doesn’t either, like, no weird DM, nothing. Yeah. It’s really cool. 

[00:45:13] Brad: Yeah. I gotta tell you, my wife has actually told me, like, the same thing. 

[00:45:16] Lucia: Yeah. Of like, ‘

[00:45:17] Brad: cause, you know, we have whatever in, in her past, like she used to- Yeah

[00:45:20] Brad: go out a lot and- Mm-hmm … you know, it was whatever. 

[00:45:22] Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:23] Brad: And as she’s continued doing more Scientology, like, the amount of, like, sta- like you said, flows, things that she would maybe pull in- 

[00:45:30] Yeah … 

[00:45:30] Brad: intentionally or unintentionally- Yeah … so it’s kind of, like, at a certain point it just went crickets- Yeah … and it’s, like, never come back.

[00:45:36] Lucia: It’s like- I know. It’s crazy. It is crazy … how, like, what’s this weird? Um, at first it was weird, to be honest. It was, it was like, huh, okay. But I liked it, ’cause I was at peace. Mm-hmm. I was like, I don’t have to worry about somebody looking or… I’m just free. Mm-hmm. I was free. So yeah, we ended up moving in with him, and then that, he kept going to the church every day and every weekend, and [00:46:00] I was really upset, ’cause I was like, “I just moved across the country.”

[00:46:05] Lucia: Like, what do you mean- Oh, man … you’re not coming home? Oh, God. And, like- Oh, God … Steve is the type of guy that he commits. Like, when- Yeah … he does something- Yeah … he’s gonna do it, like, all in. Yeah. But, 

[00:46:14] Aaron: but, but hold on. Did he… At that time, had he not, like, invited you, like, “You wanna- I was gonna ask the same thing

[00:46:18] Aaron: come study with me?” Yeah. Like, “Hey- No … you know what? You don’t… Like, you just come with. You wanna study?” No. “You could come study with me.” No. “It’s all good.” Like- 

[00:46:25] Lucia: I thi- I mean, if you would’ve met me back 

[00:46:28] Aaron: then- 

[00:46:28] Lucia: Yeah … you would’ve been scared of me. 

[00:46:29] I 

[00:46:30] Lucia: was just, I had this wall and this, like, I do what I wanna do.

[00:46:35] Lucia: Mm. 

[00:46:36] You 

[00:46:36] Lucia: cannot… And, and I think he knew that early on. So he knew that if he would, like, tell you, you’re gonna be like- But if he would, if he would- … hell no … yeah, I would’ve been like, “No, I’m Catholic.” Yeah. “Actually, we’re going to mass” 

[00:46:46] Aaron: Yeah, yeah. Vamos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:46:47] Lucia: Like, he knew that that was- Mm-hmm … ’cause, and honestly, that would’ve been my reaction.

[00:46:50] Aaron: Right. Wow. So he w- he knew you so good- Very smart … to not even say, “Come with me.” Very smart. I know. Wow. He knew. And this guy’s a pro salesman. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So he knows. Yeah. Okay. [00:47:00] He, he 

[00:47:00] Lucia: really did. He would ask questions, and I was like, “Oh, yeah, I pray,” and this and that, and I wasn’t praying. Like, anyway, so he knew that that w- would’ve happened, so I was like, one day, it was a Saturday, he was again getting ready to go to this church.

[00:47:14] Lucia: But see, the way that he made me wanna go is because he was setting a really good example- Yeah … 

[00:47:19] as 

[00:47:19] Lucia: a Scientologist. Yeah. 

[00:47:20] Yeah. 

[00:47:21] Lucia: Then of course I met Grant, Elena, I met other Scientologists, and I was like, I real- whatever these people are on, it’s very, very interesting. Yeah, yeah. Like, they’re on something, you know?

[00:47:30] Lucia: Yeah. Um, and this was 10 years ago. Mm-hmm. It wasn’t, they weren’t as big as they are today- 

[00:47:38] Mm-hmm, yeah … 

[00:47:39] Lucia: in public, ’cause there were- Yeah … always big people, you know? Yeah. Like, they’re- Of course, of course … amazing people. But no jets. Like, I think Elena was starting to write her book and but I still saw so much greatness in them.

[00:47:50] Lucia: Mm-hmm. And I was like, “What are they eating? What are they breathing?” Like, so I had that, but, um, I, I just said one day, like, “Hey, [00:48:00] I, I wanna go with you.” B- but I was mad. I was like, “I’m… Take me.” Like, I wanna see, I wanna see what this is about. You’re gonna 

[00:48:05] Aaron: take me. Yeah. You’re, you’re, that’s it, like- Like, I was getting, I was 

[00:48:07] Lucia: getting ready, like, you know, like, like angrily, like, “Okay, fine.”

[00:48:10] Lucia: Like, I grab my purse. Oh. Like, all right. You know what? I, I’m, I’m going with you. Take me. Oh, did he- Take me to this church- How- … ’cause I need to see what you’re doing … how did he 

[00:48:18] Brad: react? 

[00:48:19] Lucia: Oh, the smile was like- 

[00:48:21] Brad: Huge … 

[00:48:21] Lucia: ear to ear. Like, he was like, “Yes.” Because this, this was, like, almost a year that we were dating.

[00:48:29] Lucia: Yeah. I had just moved in with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just doing his thing, and again, we wouldn’t argue, and if I wanted to argue, he would, like, just have a good communication cycle. Yeah, yeah, 

[00:48:39] yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:48:40] Lucia: And that upset me- … ’cause I wanted to fight. I thought you were ready. I wa- I was like- Ready for the argument

[00:48:45] Lucia: “What kind of relationship is this that we don’t fight?” Like- Yeah, 

[00:48:48] yeah … “

[00:48:49] Lucia: You don’t have anything to say?” He’ll be like, “No, I understand.” Yeah. Oh, my God. What do you mean you understand? Like, no. Like, I’m like, “Fight with me. You don’t love 

[00:48:58] me.” Oh, my gosh. It was- I [00:49:00] just, I just, I’ll just tell you a little- “Fight with me.

[00:49:01] You don’t love me.” 

[00:49:01] Aaron: This is a thing that I learned from one of, uh, Grant Cardone’s books. Mm-hmm. But kind of as a salesperson, one of the things that he- … his kind of techniques of sales- Agreed … you just always say yes. You just always agree. You always agree. No, no. And I’ve- No, you always, always, always agree.

[00:49:15] Always, always, always agree. Yeah. 

[00:49:18] Aaron: And I’ve, I mean, I’ve used it. I try, and it’s interesting, ’cause you just- Yeah … it’s very hard to argue when, like, someone goes blah, and you go, “Absolutely.” That’s right. Yeah. Well, what are you gonna do? I understand. Yeah. Good. Like, what do you- Anyway … no, you 

[00:49:27] Lucia: don’t understand. I was like, “Let me…”

[00:49:29] Lucia: Mm-hmm. And then I would change. I mean, I was… I wanted to fight. I really did- Mm-hmm … because to me, that was a relationship. If you don’t fight, then you don’t love me, like, you don’t care about me. Wow. That’s how much false information I had- Mm-hmm … about- What we in Scientology call the second dynamic 

[00:49:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:49:48] Lucia: And anyway, so I see the smile. I’m like, “Whatever.” He takes me in there. We’re driving. I’m like, “Wow, this is a long drive,” first of all. Yeah. Little did I know I [00:50:00] was gonna be doing that drive for many years- … and it was the best thing ever. But I, I still get chills when I talk about this because… I don’t wanna get emotional, but when I walked in there and I- and that elevator opened, my, the walls came down.

[00:50:14] Lucia: Like, I, I don’t know how to explain. Now I know- 

[00:50:16] Mm-hmm … 

[00:50:17] Lucia: but I was home. 

[00:50:19] Wow. Like, 

[00:50:20] Lucia: I was like, “What is this place?” Like, I was expecting, like, a church, you know- Mm … like, saints and, and, like, candles and, like… What, what are you… This is a, this is a col- This is a university. 

[00:50:31] Mm-hmm. Yeah. When you 

[00:50:31] Lucia: walk into a Church of Scientology, you’re going to feel like you’re in a university.

[00:50:35] Lucia: Mm. And you are in a university- Mm-hmm … of life, of the human spirit and the human mind, and it’s beau- it’s, it’s amazing. Mm. I, I, I, I, I don’t get when people are still like, “Ooh, you’re a Scientologist?” And I’m like, “Yes, I am.” Yeah. “Come… Like, check it out. Have you ever been inside any of our churches?” Mm-hmm. “No.”

[00:50:53] Lucia: Then you need to come and see it for yourself because there’s nothing creepy, weird. It’s, it’s, it’s the [00:51:00] school for life. So when I walked in, all my walls came down- Wow … and I was open to it, and I didn’t know what I was walking into, but you know, you take a personality test. Mm-hmm. I took the personality test.

[00:51:13] Lucia: Steve went to study. He told everyone at the org, like, “Please, this is really important.” Like, “Don’t force her to do anything she doesn’t wanna do.” Mm, mm-hmm. And they’re like, “We don’t do that here.” He- but he was so nervous that he was like, “Please,” like- Yeah … “She, she’s a- She’s 

[00:51:33] a different one. She’s a 

[00:51:33] Lucia: different one.

[00:51:34] Lucia: Like, “Don’t tell her what to do.” Yeah. “Just let her, you know.” So I remember I did the personality test, and then we go into, like, the other room, and they’re like, “Okay. Well, these are your results.” So it was like this. And they’re like, “What are you struggling with the most?” And I remember saying, “Well, I just, I do really well in life, and then I just don’t.”

[00:51:58] Yeah. Mm. “And then 

[00:51:59] Lucia: I do, do [00:52:00] really well, and then I just crash.” 

[00:52:02] Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:03] Lucia: And they’re like, “Okay. Like, ups and downs?” I go, “Yeah, like, ups and downs.” Mm-hmm. They’re like, “Okay.” So she’s like… She turns around. She grabs a book, and she’s like, “Well, there’s a course that is ups and downs in life.” And I’m like, “What?” “Yeah.

[00:52:19] Lucia: You should, you should… If you want to, you should start and take this course. It’s only $50, and it will give you the data on why you’re having ups and downs in life.” I started crying. 

[00:52:32] Oh. I was like, “How do you know? 

[00:52:35] Lucia: I do have a lot of ups and downs.” Yeah. “I’m so tired. Like, I work so hard and I’m doing well, and then it just all disappeared.”

[00:52:40] Lucia: Oh. “All my hard work would just crash, but bad.” Mm. Like, when you talk about ups and downs. And so I’m just crying. I’m like, “Oh, yes, I wanna do it.” I had no money, and I had until … Steve did not know. Mm-hmm. ‘Cause when Steve met me, I was living on my own in LA. I was a, a leasing agent. Like, I was making my salary and commission, so, [00:53:00] like, to

[00:53:00] Lucia: I was like, I was a big shot in my- Mm. In my world, I’m like, I live in LA by myself. I don’t have a roommate. I had … I was living paycheck to paycheck, but when I moved to Miami, I was … I didn’t find a job, so I was racking up the credit cards. Mm. My finances were horrible. 

[00:53:14] Mm. 

[00:53:15] Lucia: And I did not say anything to him for a long time, until that bomb exploded later, but- I grabbed my credit card- Mm

[00:53:23] Lucia: and I paid the $50, and I took that course, and I just, I’ve never looked back. Wow. Like, that was the beginning of my life becoming my life again. Like, getting the tools to knowing who I really am. Like, I’m not my own enemy anymore. I’m my best friend, and- Wow … L. Ron Hubbard gave me that. He didn’t tell me, “This is what you do.”

[00:53:50] Lucia: And that’s what I loved about Scientology, ’cause again, I was like, “You cannot tell me what to do.” You cannot tell anybody what to do. Mm-hmm. It’s true. You know? Yeah, it’s true. And so what I love about [00:54:00] Scientology and, you know, Dianetics and, and everything is just that, hey, this is … Check it out. Try it.

[00:54:08] Lucia: Apply it. Yeah. And if it works, great. It works. Mm-hmm. It works, and, and I started to remember about, you know, the things why I was having up, ups and downs, and I was like, wow, this, this makes sense. Mm-hmm. I’ve experienced this, this … Now I apply it, and now I don’t have this crazy ups and downs. Like, you, you are going to have ups and downs.

[00:54:29] Yeah. 

[00:54:30] Lucia: You’re gonna feel good, then you’re not. And this can be in seconds or in minutes. Mm-hmm. But they’re gonna be like this, you know? Yeah. People, and it, and it makes me so sad when I’m out there and they’re like, “Well, it’s normal.” You know, this. 

[00:54:42] Yeah. 

[00:54:43] Lucia: That is a huge … Like, if you’re … If ups and downs are that big, it’s not normal.

[00:54:48] Lucia: Mm-hmm. There’s a technology that will tell you why, who, when, and where- Yeah … to prevent from crashing. 

[00:54:54] Mm-hmm. However, 

[00:54:55] Lucia: like, this is hum- this is … We live on planet Earth. Yeah, yeah. We’re gonna have the little, you know. Yeah, yeah. But [00:55:00] when you, you should not have these crazy- Mm-hmm … people getting sick. Oh my gosh.

[00:55:05] Lucia: We have the technology on why people get sick. 

[00:55:07] Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:07] Lucia: Imagine if you knew why you got sick and that you can prevent that next time. 

[00:55:11] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:12] Lucia: That’s what we have in Scientology. Yeah. 

[00:55:14] Aaron: Yeah, it’s beautiful. 

[00:55:15] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:55:15] Aaron: It’s amazing. This is so 

[00:55:17] Lucia: good. 

[00:55:18] Aaron: In fact, I do have to say one thing that, that, uh, does happen, and I remember this is one thing I did in, uh, San Francisco, in, uh, Church of Scientology in San Francisco, which was I had had a thing where I real- I ha- I ended up in the hospital.

[00:55:29] Aaron: Oh. Had a huge problem. Wow. And, uh, after I recovered and I luckily literally didn’t die, ’cause it was, like, very close, um, after that I spent, I wanna say, like, eight weeks going very regularly to the church in San Francisco. Mm-hmm. And what they do there to help you, “Hey, what happened before?” Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[00:55:50] Aaron: “What were the things happening before? What happened at that time? What…” And you analyze and you look at your life, and it’s unbelievable that it’s kind of like the signs [00:56:00] are there, this is coming, and if you would’ve known a bit better and you paid attention to these things, you really could’ve prevented- 

[00:56:06] Yeah

[00:56:06] Aaron: some big events that happened that are, that are very bad. Wow. Um, 

[00:56:10] so 

[00:56:11] Aaron: anyway, I share it. Like, that’s just something that you do. It’s… And, and anyone can do it, by the way. If you go in, you can do a thing called Life Repair. Yes. A thing called the Life Repair. It’s, a lot of times it’s the first counseling that you do there.

[00:56:20] Mm. 

[00:56:21] Aaron: Um, probably that’ll be part of your- Yeah … what they call, like, the program. Yeah. Like, the steps that you’re gonna take. Uh, you literally look at these times in your life and you go, “What happened before?” 

[00:56:30] Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:31] Aaron: And if you could see that somehow you put yourself in that scenario- Yeah … and it didn’t just happen to you- 

[00:56:38] Mm

[00:56:39] Aaron: then you can do something about it, no? It’s so true. I mean, that’s, that’s been my experience. It’s- That’s been my experience … totally. 

[00:56:43] Lucia: Yeah. And also how cool is it that we don’t do it… We do it without any drugs. Yes. We do it with someone called an auditor, who is someone who listens. It’s not someone that’s telling you, “You have this- Mm-hmm

[00:56:56] Lucia: therefore you need to do that.” Mm-hmm. Like, oh my G- that is [00:57:00] not the best therapy. 

[00:57:02] Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:02] Lucia: I do n- nobody else knows me better than I do. Yeah. The answers are within me. Yes. And so I love going in session because you have this counselor- Mm-hmm … what we call an auditor, which means someone who listens, and they have specific, uh, programs that are specific questions, and you find the answers yourself.

[00:57:22] Lucia: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:23] Brad: Mm-hmm. Like- And they will not answer your question- They will not 

[00:57:25] Lucia: answer for you … for you. No. Yeah. 

[00:57:27] Brad: Not even if you ask them, which is interesting. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They’re, 

[00:57:30] Lucia: they’re so- I’ve tried it. I’ve tried it. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, what do you think about- Yeah, yeah. It, it’s true.

[00:57:34] Lucia: You, you sometimes, you’re like… And they’re like, “Well, you tell me.” Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so it’s very empowering, right? Um, it is the best therapy in the world, and it’s so cool that Mr. L. Ron Hubbard was able to figure this out a- and, and give us that gift, because it truly changed everything for me. And I, I credit Scientology to the beautiful marriage that I have, to the beautiful life that I [00:58:00] have, and the life that I’m going to have.

[00:58:02] Lucia: It’s… I am going to continue to practice Scientology. 

[00:58:06] Brad: Beautiful. At what point did you guys get married? 

[00:58:08] Lucia: So we- I just realized 

[00:58:09] Brad: we didn’t, we didn’t quite get to that point. 

[00:58:12] Lucia: Yeah. We dated… Well, not dated. We lived together for, like, two, three years, then we got engaged. We got engaged in 2020, in the middle of COVID.

[00:58:20] Aaron: Fun. Wow. 

[00:58:22] Lucia: And so we had to r- and then we decided to come here and do our higher courses at the church. And so we’re like, “Oh, in a few months we will be done. Well, it’s okay.” And then, um, three years later or two years later we got married, ’cause we waited for the whole COVID thing to go away. Yeah. Yeah. So married is gonna be three years in September, this September.

[00:58:43] Nice. 

[00:58:43] Lucia: Together, 10 years in November. 

[00:58:47] Brad: Wow. 

[00:58:47] Lucia: Yeah. 

[00:58:48] Brad: That’s a long time. That’s awesome. 

[00:58:49] Lucia: Yes. 

[00:58:50] Brad: Very good. Yeah. Congratulations. 

[00:58:51] Lucia: Thank you. 

[00:58:51] Brad: And, and so now you’re, like, w- something we talked about at the beginning was the boss wife, trad wife- Mm-hmm … combo. [00:59:00] Futuristic wife. Wife, wife of the future. Yeah. 

[00:59:01] Lucia: Yes. 

[00:59:02] Brad: How, how has that evolution come about?

[00:59:06] Mm-hmm. Like, ‘

[00:59:06] Brad: cause y- it sounds like when you got here, it was, like, basically nothing going on, hitting the credit cards, like, what, what did, what did your evolution look like as you started on the bridge, like, started actually, like- 

[00:59:17] Lucia: Taking responsibility Yeah. Yeah … for the spending and all that stuff. I, I didn’t know how credit cards work.

[00:59:24] Lucia: Mm. I did not know. Oh, 

[00:59:26] Aaron: wow. 

[00:59:27] Lucia: Yeah. I mean, I moved here when I was 14. My justifications, here we go. Yeah. Uh, moved here when I was 14. I didn’t have… My mom didn’t know either. We were immigrants. Mm-hmm. My s- Do you not have 

[00:59:37] Aaron: credit cards, like, Peru? Like, is that not, like, a… Well, I mean, you were 14, whatever, but- No, yeah, I was 14.

[00:59:40] Aaron: I didn’t know. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. 

[00:59:41] Lucia: And now I know, but moved here, you have to have a credit line. I was given a credit card at 18 years old by when I started college. I spend the money, obviously- Mm-hmm … ’cause you’re like, “You’re giving me money, I’m gonna spend it.” Mm-hmm. Yeah. Didn’t know. Funny how it works.

[00:59:56] Lucia: I was… Yeah, funny how… I was making, like, the minimal payments. It will never end. [01:00:00] Yep. Um, and that’s how I lived my life, and then I met Steve who is really smart with finances, and he was, he… You know, one day I- he came home and I had my nails, like, all chipped because I literally didn’t have money to do my nails.

[01:00:14] Lucia: He’s like, “What happened to you?” And I was like, “You don’t understand.” I, I attacked him. “You don’t understand. I don’t have any money. I moved here for you, and I haven’t found a job.” And of course it was all his fault. 

[01:00:27] Mm-hmm. Yeah. ‘Cause 

[01:00:28] Lucia: I couldn’t take responsibility for all the spending- Mm-hmm … and also not telling him, “Hey, I’m using my reserves,” which were, like, what?

[01:00:34] Lucia: $3,000. Mm-hmm. That’s what I moved with. And then my credit cards. He’s like, “If you needed money for your nails, you could’ve just told me. Like, here,” like. 

[01:00:43] Wow. “I don’t want your money.” Wow. 

[01:00:44] Lucia: Yeah. Oh, my God. I was a strong- Yeah, yeah … I was a strong, independent woman. Mm-hmm. I really… I, I mean, I think a lot of the women my age, like, late 20s, 30s, and maybe 40s, we were in that era of, like, the boss girl.

[01:00:58] Lucia: Mm-hmm. Right? Like, you [01:01:00] wanna work as hard as a man. You don’t need a man. And single moms are also praised, which they should, because it’s a really hard job, but it shouldn’t be- Glamourized or glorified- Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah … because it’s not easy. Like, my mom’s and I relationship, we had to work really hard to, to fix it.

[01:01:16] Lucia: Mm-hmm. Because I’m like, “Mom, you can be soft. You can be my mom. Like, I want you to be my mom. You don’t need to be my dad.” 

[01:01:21] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:22] Lucia: Um- 

[01:01:22] Brad: You know, something probably pretty controversial about that, but I would feel is true, I’d be interested in your opinion, is, like if you, if you say single mom, it’s not actually the ideal scene- 

[01:01:32] Lucia: No

[01:01:33] Brad: for a human being on Earth. 

[01:01:35] Lucia: For the mom or for the children. For the mom, yeah. It’s- It’s hard 

[01:01:38] Aaron: enough with a mom and a dad, I have to say. Yeah. Y- yeah. That’s true Like, like raising kids- It’s a tough call … I mean, like I have fi- four. I have four children. No, no, I don’t have five. I don’t have… Sorry, sorry, I took you- Announcement.

[01:01:47] Aaron: Did we? No, no, no. So we have four. He wants five to 10. But even, even when they’re, even, even when it’s, when it was just one child- 

[01:01:56] Lucia: Yeah … 

[01:01:57] Aaron: being on your own all day, [01:02:00] father or mother- 

[01:02:02] Lucia: Mm-hmm … 

[01:02:02] Aaron: all day with a child- 

[01:02:03] Lucia: Yeah … 

[01:02:03] Aaron: is not easy. No. Particularly, you know, from, like maybe a year old to like- Yeah … a four-year-old, like in that phase- Mm-hmm You can’t get anything done

[01:02:12] Aaron: it’s not… Yeah. Yeah. And it’s, like by yourself and having to work, a- I mean, again, with two people it’s like a task. It’s hard, yeah. With one, I mean, I, again, back to the thing of like if you had to do it that way, then you figured out. My mom raised me by herself. In fact, she’s on all of our packaging. Like, I put her story on there because she’s an incredible human being.

[01:02:33] Aaron: Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Um, and all mothers are incredible human beings. They are. We’re, that’s why we’re all here. That’s great. Okay? But like, of course it’d be a little bit easier with those two people doing the job. 

[01:02:43] Lucia: Yeah. I 

[01:02:43] Aaron: mean, that, that’s a simple idea, I think. Yep. 

[01:02:45] Lucia: Yeah, I think a lot of women are praised for being single moms, and again, they sh- they should.

[01:02:50] Lucia: We should… There is something admirable. The problem is that with the generations that come, they look at how much admiration we give the single mom- 

[01:02:58] Mm-hmm. Yeah … and 

[01:02:59] Lucia: they think it is an [01:03:00] ideal scene. 

[01:03:00] Yeah. 

[01:03:00] Lucia: It’s not, i- for the mom or for the child. Mm-hmm. It’s, it’s much better to have mom and dad. And again, I feel qualified because I had it, then I didn’t, and then I saw my life go into confusion- Mm-hmm

[01:03:15] Lucia: because I didn’t have stable, the feminine figure and the masculine figure. And for my brother, it was also really tough- Mm-hmm … ’cause he was younger. Mm-hmm. 

[01:03:23] And 

[01:03:23] Lucia: I see the, what, what it caused. 

[01:03:26] Mm-hmm. 

[01:03:26] Lucia: And now, then it’s like, you’re not gonna say if you’re not in a happy marriage, but then we get into these conversations- I know.

[01:03:32] Lucia: Mm-hmm … that honestly are so stupid. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because the, the, what we need to talk about is before. Okay, you got into a marriage that you’re not happy about. Mm-hmm. Well, why did you pick this person? Like- 

[01:03:42] Mm-hmm … 

[01:03:43] Lucia: you knew. Mm-hmm. You already knew this wasn’t the person. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So my whole thing with Futuristic Wife, I use a lot of satire because I do talk about controversial topics.

[01:03:53] Lucia: I talk about this, being a single mom, I talk about abortion laws, I talk about, um, boss babes and trad [01:04:00] wives, and, um, a lot of things that are controversial, so I like to use satire for that reason. And people really responded to it At first I was like, “This is kind of spicy.” Mm-hmm. Like, I don’t know how this is going to be.

[01:04:14] Lucia: But, um, I wanted to be an actress when I was younger, so I’m like, this is my outlet. There we go. Like, let me just go there. And loved it. People were loving it. So what, so when 

[01:04:22] Aaron: you talk about satire, like what’s like one of your top, like what is a thing that just resonated really hard with people? 

[01:04:28] Lucia: Um, I had a video go really viral, and it was, um, it started with like saying, “To the one feminist in my comment that said that my husband was going to leave me because I’m cooking all day, I have a message for you.”

[01:04:41] Lucia: That one blew up. 

[01:04:43] Wow. And 

[01:04:44] Lucia: so I was, and I, I was like, “Yeah, you know what? You…” No, I said, “You’re right.” I said, “You’re right. So feminist in my comments that said my husband was going to leave me- Yeah … because I cook all day, you’re right.” And then I go into satire. Love that. I’m like, “I am so miserable going to Pilates every day.”

[01:04:57] Lucia: Yeah, yeah, yeah, [01:05:00] yeah. You know? And, and, um, and you know, g- my hair being this is like a chore. And- … basically like all the beautiful things that you get by being a good wife- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm … and having a good husband, um, I made it into like it sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saying, you know, I should go back to work, and I should be stuck in traffic and blah, blah, blah.

[01:05:20] Lucia: And it, it blew up. And a lot of other videos like that I’ve, I’ve talked about the feminist movement. Like, I’m not anti-feminism, I just think the s- extremes are insane. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I do recognize that there’s some things that the feminists did back then, whether they did it because they wanted to destroy the family unit or, or because they actually wanted women to vote and get an education, you and I don’t know.

[01:05:43] Lucia: Mm-mm. You don’t know either. It’s true. Like, we were not there. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? So why are we fighting about history? Okay, fine. They, they did it. ‘Cause people get really dark, you know? No, they wanted to destroy this and that. Okay, but- Yeah … it’s not the 1800s anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I’m not interested.

[01:05:58] Lucia: It happened. There’s also 

[01:05:59] Brad: just an [01:06:00] obvious is-ness of like women should be able to vote. 

[01:06:03] Lucia: I think we should. Like, it’s just an obvious- There, I mean, we have intuition. Yeah. And it sounds woo woo, but we can truly read people from a- Absolutely … distance. 

[01:06:11] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that’s a very valuable input into the- It’s a-

[01:06:13] Brad: electoral process. 

[01:06:14] Lucia: Totally. And then I think we should have, be able to have an education. It’s only been 100 years since we’ve been able to have our own bank accounts without having permission of your husband So we were- I didn’t even know that. I did not either. Oh, God. We- Yeah. We, we were treated like property.

[01:06:27] Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:28] Lucia: So when you just think of basic human rights. Mm-hmm. So, you know, it’s like, yeah, so I’m not anti-feminism either, but I’m not with the new wave of feminism that pushes a lot of ideologies that are completely destroying the fa- Mm-hmm. Like, it’s just playing out, like, in the open. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, the whole thing that they’re doing with children and, like…

[01:06:46] Lucia: Now there’s more sanity. I started that content back then and, you know, it will continue, but it was really crazy, so I, I needed to do something about it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don’t do nothing podcast. 

[01:06:57] That’s right. 

[01:06:57] Lucia: Oh. So I [01:07:00] started doing something about it, and I had really, really good feedback from people. And then I’m also not in the trad wife, stay home, do nothing, spend your husband’s money- 

[01:07:09] Mm-hmm

[01:07:09] Lucia: which was, it’s pushed a lot. Yeah. But I want people to know, too, that Futuristic Wife is, it’s a, it’s a character. It’s not, I’m not telling you to be a futuristic wife. The thing with the internet now is, like, the feminists tell you to be a strong, independent woman. Th- you know, you cannot do this. You cannot do that.

[01:07:29] Lucia: Like, podcasts like Call Her Daddy, things like that. Mm-hmm. You know, it’s like she, she tells you, “You should go sleep around. You should go do…” Very graphic things. Yeah. Wow. So I’m like, “What is this woman? This is crazy.” Yeah. But then, and then she got married, and then she had to apologize to her viewers for getting married.

[01:07:45] Lucia: So it’s- Wow … confusing. 

[01:07:47] Brad: Yes. That, yeah, that whole thing. Yeah. So, like, that whole thing- That’s so crazy … 

[01:07:49] Lucia: it’s like it’s… But, but this is who you are. Yeah. Then the trad wives. Nope, you’re not supposed to lift a finger. 

[01:07:56] Mm-hmm. 

[01:07:56] Lucia: Your husband’s supposed to provide for you- Mm-hmm … if you want, and [01:08:00] they’re buying purses and jewelry, and I’m like, “You’re dumb.”

[01:08:03] Lucia: Yeah. Like, if you’re spending your husband’s hard-earned money on material things, you do not give a flying fly about your family’s wealth. 

[01:08:14] Yeah. 

[01:08:14] Lucia: Like, future, like, finance future. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? So I don’t like those extremes. With Futuristic Wife, what I am doing is I am just giving women an outlet to find who they really are.

[01:08:26] Mm-hmm. 

[01:08:26] Lucia: If you wanna work, great. I work. Mm-hmm. I run a sales team- Mm-hmm … worldwide. Mm-hmm. People in Australia, in Mexico, all over the US, Canada, France, UK. 

[01:08:35] Aaron: And you make great money, by the way. 

[01:08:37] Lucia: I make good money. Yeah. I love it, and I do it in the comfort of my home, or I do it when I’m traveling, or I do it whenever I want to.

[01:08:42] Lucia: It’s a very… It could be a soft, feminine business if you wanna make, like, a couple hundred dollars a month or, or it can get very, like, it’s a freaking business. Mm-hmm. Let’s do some sales. Mm-hmm. And you can make, like, six figures a month. So it, it’s- Wow … but, but it’s flexible. So I think it’s the best vehicle for women [01:09:00] to, to work, like with content creation and all that stuff.

[01:09:03] Lucia: So with Futuristic Wife, it’s, she’s a character. It’s satire. It’s, it’s to give women- the, like, what, who do you wanna be in the future, you know? And not just the wife. You can be single right now. You can be looking for somebody. But I don’t wanna tell you what to do. Like, there isn’t this like, okay, if I wanna be a futuristic wife, how do I have to look?

[01:09:21] Lucia: How do I have to dress? That’s what the trad wives and the feminists are doing- Mm-hmm … and I don’t wanna do that. 

[01:09:26] Mm-hmm. 

[01:09:26] Lucia: With futuristic wife, I’m like, let’s think of the future and let’s really create such a positive outcome with the generation that is coming. Yes. Yeah. Right? Like, hey, how do you prev- Like, the conversations that we’re not having that I envision in the future is, you know, with the abortion laws.

[01:09:46] Lucia: We, yes abortion, no abortion. That’s too extreme. Mm-hmm. We’re not ready for that as a society. We’re not ready to say take it all off. 

[01:09:53] Aaron: Absolutely. 

[01:09:54] Lucia: Yeah. And we’re not ready to say free for all, you know? Yeah. That, that’s, it, it’s extreme. It’s insane. 

[01:09:59] [01:10:00] Mm-hmm. The 

[01:10:00] Lucia: conversations that we should be having is, how do we educate young men and the young women about how powerful their, their bodies are- 

[01:10:09] Mm-hmm

[01:10:10] Lucia: and how a baby comes to be about? 

[01:10:13] Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:14] Lucia: It’s not just saying, “Don’t ever have sex.” Like, I remember my mom saying, “Don’t have sex.” Okay, Mom. Yeah. I will never have sex until I get married. Like, that doesn’t work. Mm-hmm. But if somebody would’ve gave me a class, I would’ve said, “I didn’t know anything about the menstrual cycle.”

[01:10:28] Yep. 

[01:10:29] Lucia: There’s only- Yeah … a few days that you can get pregnant. So if we give the young generation- I need to come in, I need 

[01:10:35] Aaron: to comment something on this. It’s very important. Espec- if you’re… And hold on, I just have to say this. No, because I’m serious. We just, we, we had somebody who got pregnant rec- um, close to the family.

[01:10:46] Aaron: Mm-hmm. And, uh, and I gave her a lesson afterwards because she was… Anyway, let’s just say the baby won’t be coming, okay? Yep, good. And, uh, that other path was avoided. But I explained, I said, “Listen, did no one ever tell you…” And, and a lot of [01:11:00] par- a lot of dads, I, I blame the fathers. Mm-hmm. I don’t blame the fa- Sorry, I’m, I’m, I’m- Mm-hmm

[01:11:04] Aaron: teaching fathers hopefully here- Mm … to talk to your daughters- Mm-hmm Yeah … and say this. 

[01:11:09] Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:09] Aaron: The time of the month when the female body wants to have intimacy the most- Mm-hmm … is when you are ovulating- Yeah … and capable of bringing a seed and h- getting pregnant. Yeah. That is the peak, and this is why so many teenagers- Yeah

[01:11:24] Aaron: end up getting pregnant. Yeah. 

[01:11:25] And they’re like, “I don’t know how it happened.” It b- yeah. Yeah. It’s because 

[01:11:28] Aaron: n- a- all month you’re like, okay, y- one day you’re like- Yeah … man. Yeah. This woman’s thirsty. 

[01:11:33] Yeah. 

[01:11:34] Aaron: Yeah. It’s ’cause the egg dropped. Biologically, your body’s a- it’s like, it’s ready for a baby. Yeah. And so that’s something that I think both- men, uh, uh, boys, girls- Yeah

[01:11:45] Aaron: men, women, whatever- They should know … should understand They should understand. Yes. Yeah. Because that is a, that’s a conversation. There’s no, there’s… You just have that conversation. Like, if you’re really feeling it- But now you- Guess what? But now you know. Your egg dropped, girl. Yeah, but now you 

[01:11:57] Lucia: know. Yeah.

[01:11:58] Lucia: So it’s not a, “Oops, I [01:12:00] don’t know how it happened.” Correct. You’re giving- It’s also super 

[01:12:02] Brad: simple data. There’s not even anything dangerous in that. No. No. And, like- No … yeah, pe- the funny thing is people make public school… You went to public school, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, d- you didn’t have, uh, human growth and development in your p- in your school?

[01:12:14] Brad: No? Did you have growth and development? I did, but they didn’t teach that. 

[01:12:17] No, no, no. They did not teach that. Yeah. They just, they don’t want to know. They did the banana and the thing and whatever. The condom. 

[01:12:21] Brad: That’s where I’m going- No … is, like, the, the actual, like, import the vital data. The vital data. And it’s just- 

[01:12:26] Lucia: Yes.

[01:12:27] Lucia: But it’s true. You know? Which, it- True … which is the extreme because- Yeah … uh, yeah, we can sit here and say there’s an agenda and blah, blah, blah. Okay, but let’s put some sanity. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that’s the whole idea of Futuristic Wife, because unfortunately there isn’t anything that I’m seeing right now in present time- Mm-hmm

[01:12:43] Lucia: that is handling the bigger problem on the masses, and one topic is the abortion. 

[01:12:49] Mm-hmm. Take 

[01:12:50] Lucia: it off. No. My body, my choice. Da, da, da. It’s like that noise is insanity. What we need to be doing is, now let’s, how do we fix it? And it’s vital [01:13:00] data. Like, you- Mm-hmm … yeah, it’s, it is what it is. Well, it’s important, yeah.

[01:13:02] Lucia: And, and now, you know, I think teenagers are not stupid. Like, if they know, they’re gonna at least- Make a 

[01:13:09] Aaron: slightly better decision … think about 

[01:13:10] Lucia: it. 

[01:13:11] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:13:11] Lucia: Because they’re like, “I’m ovul- like, I can actually get pregnant.” 

[01:13:14] Yep. Yes. There can be a 

[01:13:15] Lucia: baby. Like, they n- I didn’t know this. 

[01:13:17] Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:17] Lucia: I 

[01:13:18] didn’t- Mm-hmm … I didn’t know how to 

[01:13:18] Lucia: get pregnant.

[01:13:19] Lucia: I just knew I’m, I’m bleeding every month, and that’s it. 

[01:13:21] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:22] Lucia: And they don’t tell you anything. So it’s, these are the conversations that Futuristic Wife wants to bring, and I do it in a, again, in satire, ’cause comedy’s different. Comedy’s just making you laugh. Satire’s, there’s a message. 

[01:13:35] Yep. 

[01:13:36] Lucia: And it gets people thinking, and, and the audience truly enjoy that, and they want more of it.

[01:13:42] Lucia: Um, I talked about many, many other things. Um, so yeah, that’s, that’s what I’m doing. 

[01:13:47] Brad: Amazing. Okay. So recently I heard through my wife, who loves your content. 

[01:13:52] Lucia: Mm-hmm. She 

[01:13:52] Brad: was talking about how you split up the use of the money your husband makes versus the money that you make. Yeah. Can you, can [01:14:00] you walk us through that?

[01:14:01] Lucia: So I like to say my money is, like, my fun money. 

[01:14:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:14:04] Lucia: Um, and my husband’s money is the money that basically takes care of both of us. He pays all, like, the major bills and things like that, um, courses. Like, anything big, he takes care of it. Mm-hmm. So I am taken care by my husband- Mm-hmm … in the grand. But if I want to buy something ridiculous, like an outfit or I wanna get something done to my face 

[01:14:31] Brad: or- Give us an example with a dollar amount attached to it 

[01:14:33] Lucia: Like, it’s expensive to be a woman.

[01:14:37] Brad: And 

[01:14:38] Lucia: it’s not that- 

[01:14:39] Brad: We know. 

[01:14:40] Lucia: Yeah. And it’s not that Steve w- doesn’t give me the money, but I… We have a clear goal when it comes to investments. So if I didn’t bring money in, like, he would probably, yeah, have to pay for my nails, my facials, Botox here and there, fillers, hair. I mean, my hair was[01:15:00] 

[01:15:02] Lucia: $1,200- Mm-hmm … to get your hair done. Mm-hmm. You know? So, and I’m like- But what do you 

[01:15:06] Aaron: mean get your hair done? What does that mean exactly? 

[01:15:08] Lucia: Like, color and all that. 

[01:15:10] Aaron: 1,200 bucks for color? Yeah. Yeah. And, and- And a 

[01:15:13] Lucia: haircut and a blowout. 

[01:15:14] Aaron: Okay. 

[01:15:15] Lucia: And so, yes, can he pay for that? But- But Steve would 

[01:15:18] Brad: cover that if, if push came to shove.

[01:15:20] Brad: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What’s something ridiculous that it’s like, okay- Well, but I also don’t- … Lucia’s gotta make … 

[01:15:24] Lucia: but I don’t spend money also like that. Like, I’m not gonna- Yeah … go and buy a purse right now, like a $5,000 purse. 

[01:15:30] Okay, okay. 

[01:15:31] Lucia: Like, and then, and that’s a, an agreement that we both have. Mm. Um, because his hard-earned money, most of it goes to ourselves, to invest in ourselves, and then investments.

[01:15:42] Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:43] Lucia: So what we have is a clear path on… We don’t… My… You’ve seen my husband, he doesn’t have a watch. Mm-hmm. He doesn’t have, like, brand… Like, you know, I buy him, like, the Hermes shoes. 

[01:15:53] Yeah. 

[01:15:53] Lucia: You know? I’m like- … “Let me, you know, like, let’s…” But not with my money, but I’m like- Yeah, yeah, yeah … “Let’s go and-” Sure, sure

[01:15:59] Lucia: “and, and get this.” [01:16:00] Um, but we just… That’s just how we do things because we know that we are not in that position yet. Can we afford it? Yes, but we’ll rather have that money make money. 

[01:16:11] Mm-hmm. 

[01:16:11] Lucia: And then my, my money, I mean, like, something, if I wanna get fillers, like- Yeah … in my face or something, it’s like, what is it?

[01:16:17] Lucia: Like, $800. Yeah. But I’m not spending, like, crazy… No. I’m also not doing that. Yeah. I’m putting money aside or I’m going to Peru, spending time with my family, or reinvesting it in the business. Yeah. Um, but we don’t keep up with the Joneses. I think that’s also another take on that we have. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[01:16:36] Lucia: Yeah, tell me about that. Like, he, he, he’s not, he’s not the guy that’s gonna go to dinner and, like, be like, “Oh, let me, let me r- let me get the check.” Which it used to bother me when we started dating. Yeah. When it was, like, for a 

[01:16:45] Aaron: longer crew or for you? You mean to pay the check for you or pay the check for a bigger crew?

[01:16:48] Aaron: No, no, for me, 

[01:16:48] Lucia: yes. No, it’s gonna- For me. Oh, I was 

[01:16:49] Aaron: gonna say, I was like- You know? No, no, no, no, no … yeah, yeah, yeah. Bother you when you’re going to, like, a big crew. Yeah, 

[01:16:53] Lucia: and like, you know, sometimes the guys are like, “Oh,” you know, they get the card and they put it on a credit card. Um, and I’m like, “Why don’t you [01:17:00] do that?

[01:17:00] Lucia: Like, we can pay for it.” Like, they’re always inviting us. Yeah. Like, I’m like, “They’re gonna think we’re stingy.” And he’s like, he’s like, “But…” It’s just Steve, you know? He’s, he’s thinking like, “Well, you know, this is… If, if we invest it, then it would be this much 

[01:17:15] money.” Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:17:15] Lucia: And I’m like, “Yeah, but sometimes,” you know?

[01:17:17] Lucia: Okay. And he has… This was at the beginning of our relationship where he was just, he was single for a long time and he has this goal to… I’m like, “Now you have a wife.” And like, now we’re gonna take my mom out, we’re gonna take your parents out. Of course. We’re gonna do all these things. Of course, in that scenario he’s gonna pay, yeah?

[01:17:31] Lucia: I mean- In that scenario, yeah. But, but- Yeah, of course … again, it’s like a marriage isn’t perfect, and so he was so… Again, when Steve commits to something and he has a goal, he will not budge. Mm-hmm. It wasn’t until I came into his life that I was like, “No, this is how we do things now.” Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, we do do these nice things, and you will get back that some way, some how.

[01:17:53] Yeah. 

[01:17:54] Lucia: And now he gets it. Now, of course we do it. Like again, we’re going to Peru, you know, he knows we’re gonna take my grandma out, [01:18:00] mom out, everybody out, best places. Of course, of 

[01:18:03] course. 

[01:18:03] Lucia: He enjoys it now. But I guess as far as, like, friends or keeping up with the Joneses, and also, you know, we went through a hard time, um, when he didn’t work for a few months and there was no pay coming in.

[01:18:16] Mm-hmm. 

[01:18:17] Lucia: And, but there was passive income coming in. Yeah. And so that’s when I truly understood the power and why he is so smart with his money. The future, 

[01:18:25] Aaron: futuristic husband. Fut- 

[01:18:26] Lucia: futuristic husband, he truly is. Yeah, because he was like, “See, see? You never know-” “… when the rug can be pulled underneath you.” And he’s like, “Now at least we have this and we can continue with our plan.

[01:18:38] Lucia: It’s gonna be uncomfortable.” But then also I came in ’cause, like, I was ma- I… Back then I was like, business was booming. Mm-hmm. So I was able to contribute. So we, yeah, right now we’re just not in the position. Yeah. Like, we live a good life. We live a comfortable life. I don’t think women should be spending their husband’s hard-earned money on luxury items.

[01:18:59] Lucia: Mm-hmm. I, [01:19:00] I think that you should get smart and look at how can we multiply this money for our family in the future? Yeah. Mm-hmm. It’s small investments that you can do because the material things are not… At least, they’re nice. I like to have them, I’m not gonna lie. Mm-hmm. It’s nice to have a Chanel purse once in a while.

[01:19:14] Lucia: Like, we do things like that Christmas or- Sure, 

[01:19:16] yeah … 

[01:19:17] Lucia: but it’s not our priority. Our priority’s us. Yep. How do we get better? Mm-hmm. ‘Cause nobody’s gonna take that away from us. 

[01:19:23] Yep. That’s right. Yeah. The 

[01:19:24] Lucia: stuff is, you know, whatever. And then when we are really in that position where we’re worth a certain amount of money, where we have finances that are secure, stable, oh my gosh, like the friends that stuck around for that- Mm-hmm

[01:19:38] Lucia: ’cause sometimes we’ve had friends that are like, “Why don’t you guys just go to this trip in the summer?” Sorry, we can’t do that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then they, you know, it just creates distance- For sure … which I understand. They, everyone’s free to do whatever they want, but I think the ones that stick around are gonna have a good time.

[01:19:55] Lucia: Absolutely. So, so 

[01:19:56] Aaron: talking about the future, okay, there’s futurist- [01:20:00] futuristic wife. Now what about the time of futuristic mother? 

[01:20:03] Lucia: That should be coming. When is it? Yeah. That should be coming soon. I mean, definitely this year. I think Steve and I were both- This year? Yeah. This year. No, it’s time. Oh, exciting.

[01:20:11] Brad: Wow, that’s amazing. 

[01:20:12] Lucia: Yeah. We’re just, I think recently we’ve had a, a big realization on we cannot control everything, which I even hate saying that, but- There are certain things that we just kinda have to let it flow. Mm-hmm. We are so, like we’ve had a plan since seven years ago. Like, we had a plan. We still have it.

[01:20:34] Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:35] Lucia: And actually, everything has come true. Wow. Some has been faster, some has taken longer. Mm. But we’re very goal, like, driven- Mm-hmm … and we, we’re just, like, both, we make a really good team. Um, and so kids were a plan two years ago. Wow. But things didn’t align perfectly in our mind- 

[01:20:56] Mm-hmm … 

[01:20:56] Lucia: that we were trying to align it, and then it just, it, it would just, [01:21:00] it would become worse.

[01:21:01] Mm. 

[01:21:02] Lucia: And so I told him, I said, “What would be the diff-” Like, you know, I was like, I think, I was like, “You know what?” Yes, yes. “It’s not going to be per-” Yeah. 

[01:21:10] Aaron: Literally. Yeah. Literally. I 

[01:21:13] Lucia: was like, “It’s not going to be perfect.” I was like, “Everyone’s having kids. They’re fine.” Mm-hmm. Yes. But it did- Yes, yes. T date them.

[01:21:20] Brad: Yeah. They’re fine. They’re 

[01:21:21] Lucia: fine. 

[01:21:22] Brad: Maybe even doing better. 

[01:21:24] Lucia: That’s what we hear. In a lot of cases. That’s what we hear. In a lot, it hap- 

[01:21:26] Brad: for me, for sure. 

[01:21:27] Lucia: Yeah. Same. I’ve, I’ve heard your story and, and, but see, again, like it’s been 10 years that we’ve been go, go, go, go, go just ourselves. Mm-hmm. And the speed at which we do things, we’re sometimes we think, “We had a baby.

[01:21:42] Lucia: Like, how would that even… We can’t move that fast.” 

[01:21:44] Aaron: You can. You absolutely can. 

[01:21:46] Lucia: So anyway, um, this year the babies will come. Yeah. Um, a- and, and I know once, like, the decision’s made and we actually, like, get to it, then it will be just a matter of time. Mm. But- Yeah … yeah, we’re excited. But it, [01:22:00] yeah, we’re control freaks.

[01:22:01] Lucia: We’re definitely control freaks. And, but we just have- 

[01:22:04] Brad: Which is a plus point, by the way … 

[01:22:05] Lucia: it is. Definitely. It is. And also we’re playing such a big game, which I, was another win that we’re like, dude, we’re just doing, we c- we like, we don’t wanna toot our own horn, but it’s like we did- … so much of the right things.

[01:22:17] Lucia: What’s the point of having a 

[01:22:17] Brad: horn if you’re not gonna toot it? Exactly. Yeah. We 

[01:22:20] Lucia: did so much of the right things. We made a lot of sacrifices. You know, again, like the traveling, the friends- Mm-hmm … the splurging on nice cars, watches. Um, we’ve always lived in nice places. That’s something that we are not willing to compromise.

[01:22:32] Lucia: Mm-hmm. We tried, like, we, we did the whole we sacrifice and live in a little ap- we hated it. We were fighting every day. 

[01:22:38] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:39] Lucia: Um, but you know, it’s like, let’s just, let’s- I’m excited for it … let’s get out of our plan. Yes. Yeah. Because it was so like this, and I’m like, that’s not how life is. 

[01:22:49] Aaron: That’s right.

[01:22:49] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:22:49] Lucia: Yeah. Especially with kids, I think we’re gonna have a really big lesson there. 

[01:22:53] Aaron: Yes. The, i- the, the kids teach you a lot, and it really- Yeah … I- it’s something I think you guys are gonna really both enjoy so [01:23:00] much, and I know, I mean, a lot of, there’s a lot of people having babies right now. Yeah. I’ve seen it, I know, around, uh- Yeah

[01:23:05] Aaron: and I’m excited for you guys. Thank you. For sure. 

[01:23:08] Lucia: Thank you. 

[01:23:10] Aaron: Me too. Well, 

[01:23:11] Lucia: you will be one of the first ones to know. Nice. 

[01:23:14] Aaron: Nice. Okay, so- Go on No, no. Okay, fine. So because we ha- we do ask all the guests, otherwise you kind of sort of answered it, but I’m asking just fresh anyway. 

[01:23:23] Lucia: Yeah. 

[01:23:24] Aaron: Um, since this show, right, we cover, talk, we talk to Scientologists, right, about their life.

[01:23:29] Aaron: Like, in your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:23:33] Lucia: Scientology is a way to do life where you are more certain in your decisions. For me, that’s what it gave me. You- now I walk through life just way more certain. Mm-hmm. And it’s not in a cocky way. It’s not in, like, I know it all way. It’s actually very interesting how much more confident and certain you get when you practice Scientology, when you do [01:24:00] the auditing, when you do the courses.

[01:24:02] Lucia: You can even train to become an auditor. Mm-hmm. Like, imagine having that superpower to help people. So to me, Scientology is just a way that you do life more confident and more yourself. I’m so grateful that I was able to, to find it because when I look at the Lucia before Scientology- Mm-hmm … it wasn’t that she wasn’t confident, because Scientology doesn’t change you.

[01:24:27] Lucia: It makes you more of who you are. Mm-hmm. It reconnects you with, like, you. So when I look at the old Lucia wandering through life- … going to parties and drinking and, you know, thinking in the back of her mind, “Yeah, I do wanna do big things, but no, no, no, let me get distracted and do that,” I was still confident, but it was hidden.

[01:24:47] Lucia: Mm. It was hidden by false information, by having the wrong people around me that didn’t want the best for me. But with Scientology, I got the tools to identify those people. I, I also, [01:25:00] with the auditing, got rid of all the false information and things, and now I am more me and a lot more confident, and I trust myself.

[01:25:07] Lucia: I am my best friend thanks to Scientology. 

[01:25:11] Aaron: Amazing. Wow. So great. Thank 

[01:25:13] Lucia: you. 

[01:25:14] Aaron: Well, Lucia, thank you so much for coming onto the show, and, um, we’re looking forward to the big news from you guys. Yes. Thank you for having me. Don’t keep us waiting. Thank you. And remember, don’t do nothing. 

[01:25:25] Yes