Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I knew something was wrong when black boys can’t play basketball. I quit my job and I moved gang members Crips and bloods into my house and I became their surrogate father. I was asked this question, how can you as a Reverend Christian Baptist preacher be aligning yourself or working with the church?

[00:00:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Scientology? 

[00:00:15] Brad: They were literally going to start a shooting war with the police in la. Didn’t happen. Can you explain how that didn’t happen? 

[00:00:22] Aaron: There’s no weapon that you can create that could stop people from fighting 

[00:00:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: for that. Right? And y’all really need to help the brother. And she started laughing. Well, Reverend I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:00:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I am messed up. And I found out this book right here can help me to get un messed up. You are not an animal. You are a family member of humanity and you operate off of love, peace, and pro survival concept, not off of hate, rid and stop and destroy concepts. Mm-hmm. 

[00:00:46] Brad: Alright, so today we have an extremely, we’ve wanted to have you on for a long time, just so you know, you’re one of our first people when we made the list.

[00:00:54] Brad: Okay. So today we have Mr. Reverend, Reverend Al, Freddie Johnson. [00:01:00] So Rev is a Baptist reverend. He is the founder of the World Literacy Crusade, uh, which pushed study technology from Al Ron Hubbard to all Over the World was all over the news. He is was a key player. He was actually one of the guys who spearheaded, uh, the, to my knowledge, the first piece packed between the Bloods and the Crips in LA that happened in 2016 because of Rev and one other amazing individual.

[00:01:31] Brad: Mr. Tony. 

[00:01:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yes. 

[00:01:33] Brad: He also is a leader in, uh, tolerance of religions and he’s a Scientologist. 

[00:01:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Welcome here. Here. 

[00:01:43] Brad: Welcome. 

[00:01:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Um, I’m honored to be here. I’m extremely excited to meet you, young gentlemen. I think my son is probably older than both of you. I feel sort of, kind of good to be able to be before you guys to talk to you [00:02:00] and to listen to your questions.

[00:02:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. And I look forward to addressing the artist and absolutely, I’m a Baptist preacher and every sense of the word, and I’m also a bonafide pride, uh, person filled with pride about being a Scientologist and spreading, uh, the gospel of Jesus Christ, if you will. Um, messages of good, uh, prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him as well as, uh, uh, Buddha and all the other great religions as well as, uh, Jesus the Christ son of God.

[00:02:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So these are all the things that are very important to me. 

[00:02:30] Brad: Awesome. Amazing. Thank you. Amen. Well, the first question ties directly and, and lh Of course. Yes. So the first question ties directly into that, which is, how did it happen that you. You, you’ve been, uh, a Christian for a, a basically your whole life, from how I understand it.

[00:02:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yes. 

[00:02:48] Brad: How did you become also a Scientologist and how do those two things go together for you? 

[00:02:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yes. Okay. Lemme just answer this. Lemme back up for a minute. Let me give honor to God and to [00:03:00] all those prophets and saints who have come, I need to do that. You know, just out of protocol, uh, to all the spiritual leaders that have come, who we is on their behalf, that we stand here and we sit here to be able, uh, to speak today.

[00:03:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And through their work and encouragement, I’ve learned to keep on keeping the spirituality of man alive. So, having said that, now, how did I become basically a Baptist preacher who’s a Christian, and also, uh, united with a, uh, Scientology, El Ron Hubbard in the Scientology community. Uh, it’s a story, uh, just to give you a little bit of a background.

[00:03:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’m the kind of person where I’ve been a minister. When I came out of the wound, I was, uh, told that I was gonna be a minister and I did not want to be a minister. But, uh, at that time, 

[00:03:47] Brad: oh, I didn’t know. You didn’t want be. 

[00:03:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No, I didn’t wanna be a minister. And I, it wasn’t until I got into Scientology why I found out, which I won’t go into that I didn’t, why I didn’t want to be a minister.

[00:03:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Amen. And so what happened [00:04:00] was my, in fact, I used to go to church. My mother, uh, told me and I used to go to church. Uh, at two and three years old. I would get up every Sunday morning, born in Montgomery, Alabama, which is where the height of the civil rights Martin Luther, the king was. And I would get up, put my suit on, on Sunday mornings, and I would walk to church.

[00:04:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I put a suit on and a hat, and I’d walk to church, uh, by myself and mother said, yeah, you used to get up every morning and go to church. And we was like, uh, Sunday morning you was three years old and walk to church. And I remember that. I was like, yeah, I did do, he said, I said, mom, why did you let me go to church?

[00:04:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: She said, well, 

[00:04:34] Brad: when you were three, 

[00:04:34] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: when I was 3, 3, 4 years old, 

[00:04:36] Brad: I have a 3-year-old. I can’t even, 

[00:04:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: so I’d go to church and I remember sitting on the front row and the preacher would be preaching and my legs couldn’t reach. And he would be saying things that some things made sense and a lot of things didn’t quite make sense.

[00:04:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And then when I would be in Sunday school, I would argue sometime with the scriptures. And uh, the Sunday school teacher said, well, no, that’s not how that really happened. And they would just be trying to shut me up. This is when I was three, four years old. So I knew it was true. And [00:05:00] as I went on, uh, that’s, that started my, my, you know, I was always the leader or whatever, president or student, body president, captain of football, basketball, baseball, high school, elementary, uh, college.

[00:05:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: All those things was there. So the leadership part was there, but I didn’t understand to the degree why. Mm-hmm. Uh, eventually how I became a Scientologist is. Going, graduating from college and then, uh, wanting to always help. ’cause Martin Luther King was my hero. Um, and then, uh, when they assassinated him, I decided that I wanted to continue his work.

[00:05:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. And that was when I was seven years old. I remember sitting in front of the TV and they announced on that day watching and, and I was in shock at seven and I decided that we were gonna 10 his work. So I was, all my life, I’ve been doing his speeches all over, but I’ve been carrying for his work. He, they’re not gonna destroy what he was meant to do.

[00:05:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. So I was doing that. And in 1992, we had a watch [00:06:00] riot. Prior to that, uh, there was a shooting that took place in South Central Los Angeles, uh, that some gang members had driven by, and they shot through the park Magic Johnson Park on El Segundo, central Avalon, and they killed a baby. 

[00:06:14] Brad: Mm. 

[00:06:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I was on my way home, uh, from work from Xerox Corporation out of, uh, El Monte, California.

[00:06:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I just went into tears and I asked God, why did he allow innocent babies to get killed? Uh, uh, murdered? And God, the voice of God said to me, you dummy. Um, uh, that’s why I made you, you are my hands. You are my legs. You are my arms. Uh, if anything needs to be done in this world, it is to be done by individuals, uh, for you.

[00:06:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Represent me by your actions. Mm-hmm. So immediately I heard the voice and I said, okay. So I had to, I quit my job at Xerox, if you’d imagine making pretty good, decent as a top salesperson. 

[00:06:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:06:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I moved gang [00:07:00] members, Crips and Bloods, grape street cribs and whatnot into my house, and I became their surrogate father.

[00:07:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And, uh, it was shocking because the many of those young men did not have fathers. And believe it or not, one of the most amazing things that I discovered was, one, they couldn’t play basketball. They didn’t know how. And I was like shocked that. There was some black boys in the hood that couldn’t play basketball.

[00:07:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And it’s just, it’s like, what the hell? You know, excuse my language, I knew something was wrong when black boys can’t play basketball. Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:33] Brad: Yeah, of 

[00:07:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: course. And that was the first thing. The other thing was they were illiterate. 

[00:07:40] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And, uh, so I developed a whole program. It was called the Genesis at the time, time, and they had to do my regimen.

[00:07:46] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It was like military slash education slash whatnot. 

[00:07:49] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so, um, what happened was I decided, uh, the riots broke out and then there was, [00:08:00] uh, some things done by, uh, a very wonderful lady, uh, named, uh, Marcine Shaw, uh, who invited, uh, applied Scholastics, uh, and able association of better living to come down social betterment programs that Mr.

[00:08:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Hubbard had started, uh, to put it out. And they did a lecture seminar in our community in Compton, California. So I went to that lecture at the end. And he talked about this thing called, uh, Elon Hubbard, that the third barrier to learning was a misunderstood word. And when he said that, my hits just went off, like, whoa, whoa.

[00:08:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know, what is this stuff? Gimme this stuff. I gotta have this stuff for my young men. Right? And they were like, what is he talking about? He just got, he don’t even know what we talking about. He said, it doesn’t matter. So I need this stuff. It was like, I knew this is what I needed. Right. And what it was, what what triggered it is in, in the Bible, in the Christian community, in the Bible it says in John one, one says, in beginning was the word.

[00:08:54] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the word was with God. And the word was God. 

[00:08:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:59] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? And [00:09:00] so now it’s like, oh man, there it is. Oh wow. This. I said, so here’s a learning methodology that gives the meaning of words. 

[00:09:09] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:09:10] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And I said, well, God, God, where’s God? God says, in the beginning was the Word and the word was with God.

[00:09:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the word was God, which means. The words of God are the power of God is in his words. Wow. And the word power means able to be able to do, able to have. So if my young men are going to get the power of God, they gotta understand the words that represents God’s. You know? ’cause words are just symbols that represents an idea of action.

[00:09:39] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:09:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I say, man, he figured out how to give people the understanding of words. I say, man, I gotta get this right. So I invited them down 

[00:09:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:09:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: To the church. And I had the young men coming down and, and, and, uh, uh, uh, they, these white people came down from wherever they came [00:10:00] from and they was coming into the inner cities and they was tutoring my people, the men in, in uh, uh, uh, uh, homeless program and the men in uh, uh, uh, literacy program and the women and whatnot, and these kids.

[00:10:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And it was beautiful. ’cause they kept coming every week, tutoring, and it was changing their lives. Mm-hmm. So it was, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. Many of the celebrities, uh, not many, but a few celebrities came down and people came down. It was just wonderful. Mm-hmm. So I decided, uh, at that time to spread this technology.

[00:10:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So it was a literacy campaign, and I, I said, I’m gonna take this to the world. So this is the World Literacy Campaign crusade. Right. The World Literacy Crusade. And so, um, you know, people heard about it, and then I ended up going on television and I was asked this question, how can you as a reverend, a Christian Baptist preacher be, uh, aligning yourself or working with the church?

[00:10:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Scientology, what, what are you doing? And I, and, and that was of course, uh, a major television show at the time, Donahue, if you want to just [00:11:00] mention the person. Mm-hmm. And he asked the question, how could you do that? And I asked Mr. Donahue politely, I said, do you have, uh, children, grandchildren? He said, yes.

[00:11:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I said, do you love them? He said, of course. I said, lemme ask you this question, if. Your children were in the house and the house was on fire and you called 9 1 1 for the fire company to come out. And the fire engine rose up and it says Atheist fire company. And then up jumps a mu, a Muslim firemen, and then a a a a Buddhist firemen and a Joe witness, firemen and a Catholic fireman and a baptist fireman or Lutheran fireman or a Methodist fireman or African meth, uh, American fireman.

[00:11:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Do you care what their religion is if they come there? He said, well, of course not. I said, exactly. I say, in my community, in south central LA and many of our communities, our children are in the house. Mm-hmm. And the house is on fire. We are illiterate, and Mr. Elron Hubbard and his group has water. [00:12:00] Puts out the fire in terms of education and literacy.

[00:12:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So immediately this was a tool of help. Our definition of help sounds very intellectual. It’s the same as love. Love is the activity of creating pro survival effects that causes others to become strong and powerful. If you really love somebody, you don’t do it for them, but you teach them how to do it for themselves.

[00:12:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. You make them responsible. The word peace actually means to want for nothing. Mm-hmm. So if we want to help people and give them peace, we empower them with the ability to get knowledge for themselves so they can apply that knowledge to be what they want to be and to do what they want to do. To have what they want to have to cause.

[00:12:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: What they want to cause. Mm-hmm. That’s real love. And that’s real help. Oh, wow. And that’s why I could work with Scientologists and I could work with the social betterment groups because they offer real help and have always offered real help. And I pledge my life to any group that offers real help to the ma masses of the people.

[00:12:59] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And that’s how I became [00:13:00] that way. Thank you. 

[00:13:01] Brad: Holy cow. Dude, I knew this was gonna be good, but I wasn’t quite ready for that. 

[00:13:08] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Thank you for letting me get all of that out. I can be rapacious on. 

[00:13:11] Brad: No, that was amazing. I 

[00:13:13] Aaron: could you could you, I wanna know, right. So in that, in that first lecture, which earlier you told us, you were like the last one in, right?

[00:13:21] Aaron: You missed the first part, but you, you came right on, right on the nick of time. Right? Right. You got that and instantly you recognized without seeing what it could do really firsthand. It was just a message. 

[00:13:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[00:13:31] Aaron: So from then, when, when they came in, they started doing the tutoring. What’s that? An example?

[00:13:37] Aaron: What’s a, a time when you saw. This really works. 

[00:13:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Alright, so we had this one gentleman, uh, one young man. He was in a Latino gang, right? And, um, amazing thing happened. This guy was ruthless and he was hard and he was, yo homie, I’m like this, you know what I’m saying? 

[00:13:56] Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:56] Aaron: You 

[00:13:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: know? And so, uh, he [00:14:00] said, I’m ruthless, you know, and he didn’t care about, you know, whatever.

[00:14:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So one of our, uh, we called him the guru. Uh, he was one of our tutors. We called him the word master guru. His name was Frank Zarn. He was a very wonderful person that we all love and revere. He represents a great organization of helpers on this planet. But anyway, we set the gentleman out, uh, the young man down, and he was being hard and difficult.

[00:14:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So he is like, I’m ruthless, I don’t care about anything. Okay. So we got the dictionary, and that’s very important. You understand the role of the dictionary? The dictionary, we call it the Holy Book of agreements. Now why? Because the dictionary was formed. 

[00:14:36] Brad: Yes. 

[00:14:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The dictionary was formed. To define all the words in the Constitution of the United States, as well as all the words in the Bible.

[00:14:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Wow. The original dictionary created by Noah Webster, which is one of the founding fathers. Mm-hmm. Which is a good intention. Right. So those, those words 

[00:14:52] Brad: for real. 

[00:14:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. 1828. You can get the Noah Webster, you can order. 

[00:14:56] Aaron: Noah Webster is the first, it is the first American dictionary. 

[00:14:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. But he defined the words in [00:15:00] the Constitution.

[00:15:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The reason why it was written 

[00:15:01] Brad: Constitution in the Bible. 

[00:15:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Defined the words in Constitution and in the Bible to protect our liberties. Liberty means freedom from arbitrary rules so that evil men would not come and change the meaning of the words in the Constitution or in the Bible because we are a Judeo-Christian nation.

[00:15:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. So our rights are protected by the meaning of the word. So the books, we agree that these are the meanings of this word. So anybody that comes to try to change it, they can’t change it. ’cause they would violate our constitution. So that’s what we have. Now. We have reinterpretation of the words in the Constitution.

[00:15:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: ’cause people are no longer, they’re illiterate. Uh, and they no longer are looking at that original dictionary. 

[00:15:37] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:15:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Okay. So those words in the constitution of this, and in the Bible, this and the dictionary, uh, defines those meaning of the words, therefore are liberties. Freedom from arbitrary rules are now protected.

[00:15:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[00:15:50] Brad: By a dictionary. Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: By the dictionary and the book. So all the dictionary is supposed to be, is a holy book of agreements. 

[00:15:56] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: This means this and that way our, you can’t change [00:16:00] our rights Yep. And whatnot. And we have actual religious freedom of spiritual freedom, freedom of, from the first amendment on.

[00:16:07] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. So that’s, that’s very, very important why we have, uh, why words are important. So here, this guy, we get the dictionary, get back to the story. Yeah. Sorry. The ruthless guy, the guy that let, so he says, let’s look up the word ruthless. 

[00:16:21] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:16:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: But bottom line is the derivation of the word ruthless. Ruth means to care.

[00:16:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So in the Bible there’s a woman named Ruth. It means to care, right? Less means without caring. So a person who’s ruthless, right? They don’t care about no one. Anything. Uh, nothing. I don’t care. I’m like, IM hard. Yeah. You know that’s it, right? 

[00:16:41] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Okay. So we said this, okay, so lemme ask you this. Is there anybody talking to him?

[00:16:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? This, so first his name is Carlos. Does any Carlos, is there anybody that you think about that you can care about? And he goes, my baby man. My son. My son. I [00:17:00] care about my son. Okay. Write his name down. Okay, good. Is there anybody else that you care about that you can think of? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. My baby’s mama.

[00:17:08] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I care about my baby’s mama. Okay. What’s her name? Okay. Is that, I mean, can you think of anybody else that you care about? My mom. I care about my mom. Wow. What’s her name? I say, okay, good. Her name is that Zulo or whatever. Right. Okay. Is there anybody else that you can think of that you might care? No. No. I don’t care about, no, nothing.

[00:17:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No one. Anything else? That’s it. I don’t care about. That’s it. Okay. So let’s look up the definition again. So we look up to care about no one, anyone. Nothing. Nothing. You just a ruthless. And he goes, I said, but you, you listed three things. He goes, three names. He says, you mean I’m not ruthless? 

[00:17:49] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:17:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Well, wait a minute.

[00:17:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It says to care about nothing. You just named three. I’m not ruthless. Now what happened was he had a huge cognition that he [00:18:00] was not ruthless, therefore, he no longer had to be ruthless. He eventually, wow. Quit the game. Quit the gain, whatever. He is doing well in life, right? 

[00:18:10] Brad: This is like magic, 

[00:18:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: right? 

[00:18:11] Brad: You look, you literally looked 

[00:18:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: up.

[00:18:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So he asked for an example, hundreds and thousands of examples where we’ve changed the people’s lives by defining the meaning of the words. Mm-hmm. So the technology. Mr. Elron Hubbard on learning how to learn and defining words. Mm-hmm. And clearing the meaning of words right. Is magical and miracle. So as a Christian preacher, uh, disciple, uh, one who believes in, you know, Jesus to Christ, our goal is to help and love 

[00:18:40] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:18:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Not to hate and destroy. 

[00:18:44] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And if we have a technology or a technique or a method, and it says, and ye shall know the truth, truth is thoughts, ideas, and methods that work in present dime in the environment that you in. That’s what truth is. If it don’t work, it ain’t the truth. Hello somebody. And so [00:19:00] we see that this technology work, so we embrace it.

[00:19:04] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And that’s the example that I can give you. One of the first examples, when we first came in 1992, I saw with my own eyes, young men now believing and having hope. Hopelessness is the agreement that there is no future. 

[00:19:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. That’s what hopelessness is. Yep. And 

[00:19:24] Aaron: nothing can be done. 

[00:19:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And I could say to you, Brandon, um, I’ll give you anything, Aaron, I’ll give you anything you want right now.

[00:19:34] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I don’t care what it is. A billion dollars, a trip to the moon or trip to whatever the universe. I give it to you. I don’t care what it is except one condition tomorrow morning at 5:00 AM you die. All of a sudden you don’t want it. Why? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because attached to it, there’s no future. 

[00:19:53] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:19:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: When people don’t feel like they have a future, they behave differently.

[00:19:57] Aaron: Mm. Yeah. 

[00:19:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Than those who believe that [00:20:00] they have a future. 

[00:20:00] Aaron: Yeah. Yes. 

[00:20:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So we had to transform a lot of people in the inner city. A lot of people in a hopeless situation. We had to, they have PO postulate. They have so many losses, so many failures, so many of these things that they’re overwhelmed and they don’t believe they have a future.

[00:20:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So they believe D, they behave differently. You see what I’m saying? 

[00:20:19] Aaron: So how would you define a postulate? 

[00:20:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: A postulate is a decision that something is going to occur. 

[00:20:27] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Again, I can show you how I noticed. I said it’s a decision that something is going to occur. The way I would handle that is I would define the word decision.

[00:20:38] Brad: Oh, yeah. 

[00:20:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: See, so through word clearing the meaning of words, I can transform the minds of men from hopelessness to hope. 

[00:20:47] Brad: Mm. 

[00:20:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Why? Because the guy found out that he wasn’t ruthless. He had made agreement that he was ruthless. Now, if I clear up the word and showed that’s many contradictions in your life that doesn’t align with the meaning that you have.

[00:20:59] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. He’s able [00:21:00] to, you already, you, you, you got, in fact, you got opposite behavior. 

[00:21:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Which means you’re not an animal, you are a family member of humanity. 

[00:21:09] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:10] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You operate off of love, peace, and pro survival concept, not off of hate, rid and stop and destroy concepts. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right? So, um, that is the key.

[00:21:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I mean, if I, if I define the word, I wanna do that, right? I mean, I could define the word, decide if I would break the word apart, and I would, d means a way or from and side means to kill or to cut. 

[00:21:30] Brad: Yep. 

[00:21:31] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? Mm-hmm. So when you really decide something, it means you cut away all the excuses, and you make 

[00:21:38] Brad: what, and, and you, and you cut away, and you cut away any other option, 

[00:21:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: right?

[00:21:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. When you decide something and you, you, you actually, uh, for instance, people say, I give your audience, they say, um, uh, I need you, uh, to, um, meet me in, uh, San Francisco or LA [00:22:00] tomorrow morning, and they’re, they’re in Tampa. They go, well, I don’t know about that. Uh, I don’t know if I can meet you that ’cause I gotta go to work or, or, or I gotta go do something.

[00:22:10] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I can’t make it. Right. Okay. It’s impossible. I can’t make it. I say, well if you meet me in San Francisco tomorrow morning at 9:00 AM 

[00:22:20] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:22:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I give you $2 million, all of a sudden you would decide that all the other stuff. Yeah, 

[00:22:26] Brad: yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:22:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Is not important. And you go borrow the money or whatever.

[00:22:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Or get the money. Yeah. And you’d be there because the incentive was big enough for you to cut away all the other considerations. Totally. 

[00:22:35] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:22:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: See, that’s what decision 

[00:22:37] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:22:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Actually mean. 

[00:22:38] Brad: Oh. 

[00:22:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know, and people, as you know, being wonderful Scientologists, that you are trained. Thanks. That when you decide something, that means you cut away, take full responsibility, and you cut away all the excuses and it’s done.

[00:22:50] Aaron: That’s brilliant. 

[00:22:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that’s through word clearing. 

[00:22:53] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Or clearing up the meaning of the words and say, Hey, I like that decide thing. I’m gonna. I’m gonna, yeah. I’m gonna decide. [00:23:00] Right. I’m gonna decide not to be a victim anymore. 

[00:23:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know, I decide I’m gonna become something and doggone it, I’m becoming it.

[00:23:08] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. That’s the power of God on the inside of you. That’s a part of you natively that you have been denying because of half agreements that you made unaware of those agreements. 

[00:23:19] Brad: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:23:20] Aaron: Amazing. 

[00:23:20] Brad: If, if, if we go forward from, we talked about the, the World Literacy Crusade Yes, sir. Which was really like late, kinda like mid to late nineties into the early two thousands time period, right?

[00:23:31] Brad: Yep. How, what was the total, I I, I have heard the number, but what was the total number of centers that were opened for Rodeo? 

[00:23:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Well, they, like at, at one time there was like 75, 72 to 75. ’cause we was going all over. We was like in five countries, man association, better Living Education. They had us rolling man.

[00:23:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We had, yeah. Um. Isaac Hayes, who’s the spokesperson for World Is Crusade. Yeah. I mean, he was on the radio in New York, man. He was talking like two, 3 million, sometime, even 7 million people a day. 

[00:23:58] Brad: Which, which you, [00:24:00] you actually introduced this initiative to Isaac, right? 

[00:24:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah, I brought Isaac Hayes into Scientology.

[00:24:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. I mean, a lot of people don’t know that. A lot, a few celebrities, but Isaac Hayes was actually recording the Rockford files or something and uh, uh, I was on a course communication course. 

[00:24:16] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:24:16] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, at Celebrity Center International, as a matter of fact, one of that’s my, uh, or my family org my founding, or, and, uh, I was, uh, I went to the restroom and I came out the restroom and I saw Black Moses, and I was like, Hey, man, that’s black Moses, you know?

[00:24:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And he saw me and he walked over to me, say, uh, I said, Mr. Hayes, it’s an honor to meet you, sir. You know, his name was, it was one of them cuts, right? Mm-hmm. During the scene. And he, and he, and he says, yeah, man, thank you very much. Thank you very much, brother. So he didn’t know I was a minister or anything.

[00:24:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, and he, he said, he leans over and he whispers at me. He said, brother. From brother to brother. Let me ask you this question. What’s these white folks doing up in here, man? What’s, what, what’s, what’s, what’s going on up in this place? I’m, I’m looking, I’m feeling something right. And I just said I was surprised.

[00:24:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? He is like, [00:25:00] what’s going on? I said, I said, man, these white folks got it going on, man. They got some stuff that can help our people. He’s like, yeah. I said, yeah, man. So then I took him over and I introduced him to Karen Holland, who was, uh, who was a president at that time, and the office there, and the rest is history.

[00:25:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Isaac fell in love with it. He became a Scientologist. He went through, uh, we, we went to Congress to introduce, to technology, uh, to different Congress people, because we saw it as a very effective tool. It was always, uh, delivering, uh, uh, uh, uh, I call it tools of help. 

[00:25:35] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, it, it, it just unifies and empowers and, I mean, I’m happy, uh, to be part of that.

[00:25:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh. A group of individuals who have shared this technology. 

[00:25:48] Brad: Amazing. 

[00:25:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, and it’s one of the proudest things that I’ve ever done. Yeah. And, and those who know me, know who I am, and those who don’t know me probably don’t want to know me because, uh, I’m a very kind guy, but I’m [00:26:00] very, very, uh, adamant about helping people.

[00:26:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:26:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I don’t like to deal with hypocrites. 

[00:26:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:26:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, I like to deal with real help and solutions. Yeah. I’m not into dealing with victims. I believe that power of God is in each and every one of us, and there’s nothing that each individual cannot do regardless of race, color, creed, and nationality or whatnot.

[00:26:16] Brad: Totally. 

[00:26:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. 

[00:26:17] Brad: So we go forward from World Literacy Crusade to, there was another huge, uh, like momentous. Event that you were in the middle of and spearheaded in LA which was in 2016. 

[00:26:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. 

[00:26:32] Brad: There was, uh, a lot of unrest and there was the, basically the, the police shooting that, uh, then incited basically just fury with, with all of the gangs.

[00:26:43] Brad: And, and the way that I understand it from, from watching the videos, and you can correct me if I’m wrong, is that basically the, the Bloods, Crips and all the different gangs in LA basically realized, oh, well we have a common enemy here. It’s the police. 

[00:26:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yes. 

[00:26:56] Brad: And we should all join forces. And they were gonna start a war.[00:27:00] 

[00:27:00] Brad: Yeah. They were literally going to start a shooting war with the police in la. 

[00:27:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[00:27:05] Brad: That didn’t happen. 

[00:27:07] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. 

[00:27:08] Brad: Can you explain how that didn’t happen and the role you played in that? 

[00:27:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Absolutely, absolutely. Now, this is a Scientology, in my estimation, Scientology, um, story. That is, uh, I would term a miracle.

[00:27:23] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:27:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: If there’s ever such a thing as a miracle, and it’s one that needs to be shared with all of humanity in the world, uh, so that we can learn, uh, how important, uh, uh, good intention people are. 

[00:27:39] Brad: Mm. 

[00:27:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And we who are spiritual, religious or whatever, we have good intentions. This story needs to be told over and over again so that Scientologists as a whole can feel very proud that of who they are and what they represent in the mission that they own, but also those that are non [00:28:00] Scientologists, uh, and Scientologists who become, can be proud that they have, uh, people called Scientology as part of their human family that’s working at the level that the leadership of Scientology is leading this movement you have on earth, you have in our midst at this time.

[00:28:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: A group of individuals that solely have the intentions to make planet earth in this place a better place. Mm-hmm. For all people of all religions, of all nationalities. And so this is a story of extreme importance that they know. And I’m very proud and I I’m gonna come back and do a whole, get into details on a lot of stuff.

[00:28:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So we’ll just start off with this show. Uh, but I tell everyone to tune in because each story that I tell is like a miracle in and of itself. And it’s, it’s designed to just make you know that you know, that you know that you in the right place. Um, and I like to tell that story on how if you in Scientology right now and you’re taking the [00:29:00] courses and you’re doing those wonderful things, you’ve just overcome anything that’s impossible.

[00:29:05] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:29:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Okay. Because you don’t understand that there’s. Billions of universes, and there are billions of galaxies and there are billions of solar systems and there are billion. I’m a religious Christian man that knows that we’re not the only ones in the universe, and yet somehow, somewhere you found this technology that could free you.

[00:29:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Hello somebody. And so we should be very, very proud to know that we can overcome anything if we found this, what we have. Having said that, that story, uh, or that incident, it just so happened that the, the, the person that was the key figure in that coming into sanitize that miracle that happened, uh, in the Peace Summit we called it.

[00:29:47] Brad: Mm. 

[00:29:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: First of all, I am the co-founder of the Peace Rides, along with Minister Tony Muhammad, who 

[00:29:52] Brad: there you go, 

[00:29:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: is the founder. And, uh, Mr. Tony, of course, is the, uh, national Representative minister over the Western region of [00:30:00] United States in the Nation of Islam, who represents the Honorable Minister Lewis Farrakhan.

[00:30:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: At that time, uh, brother Minister Tony, uh, was working on, uh, uh, doing some services in Scientology, uh, process called Superpower. 

[00:30:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And that’s a very wonderful, uh, process, uh, that you undergo that empowers individuals who can do that. It’s open to any man who desires to enhance their superpowers.

[00:30:28] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Hello, somebody. We have 52 Percepts, 57 Percepts, should I say. And this process helps us to utilize and empower those things, those who want to get power. You need to look into that. I’ll just leave it at that. Hello? Somebody. Now having said that, we, 

[00:30:44] Brad: I’m gonna start saying that. Hello? Somebody. 

[00:30:46] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That’s right.

[00:30:46] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That’s, that’s my calling card by the way. So what happens was, is that yes, what happened was a gentleman was, a young black gentleman, was shot, and the, the fires were [00:31:00] on, on the colon and it was ready. To unite and go against a covert war, if you will. Mm-hmm. Uh, and so, um, I think it was Snoop Dogg and the game, uh, they ended up meeting with the police department chief of Los Angeles, along with the mayor.

[00:31:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: They were trying to work on it because it was going down. Mm-hmm. There was enough was enough, so to speak. And at that time, and Tony happened to be here in Florida doing his, uh, auditing on superpower. Uh, bless his heart. We love that gentleman. Uh, wonderful man, wonderful being. And, uh, all of a sudden he gets a break, uh, and he gets a call.

[00:31:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the call is from, on a, uh, I guess it was like a Tuesday afternoon. The call is from these guys about to go to war, so to speak. 

[00:31:51] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And Minister Tony, it’s like. It’s intense. It’s like what? You go on the war, he say, okay, check this out. You really need to call the minister, meaning Minister [00:32:00] Farka and get some instructions.

[00:32:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so, uh, they call the minister, he gets, sets everything up and minister listens to him and says, okay, now I need you to call Minister Tony back and do what he says. So, so they call Minister Tony back and Minister Tony tells them, okay brother, we can’t be starting no wars or we can’t be doing that. Um, and I’m paraphrasing some of it, but basically, uh, so what we need to do is a summit.

[00:32:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We need to do a summit. We need to call in all the Crips and bloods, all the OGs and everybody to come. We’re gonna meet on, uh, this weekend, uh, at the community center, which is the community center, uh, down in south, uh, Los Angeles, south Central. Mm, mm-hmm. Right. And uh. It’s part of the ideal org scenario out of Inglewood, right?

[00:32:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’ll just say that. Just to leave a, a little bit of a, a teaser there. And so after that, Mr. Tony calls me and he’s like, rev, uh, we, we gotta [00:33:00] do something, man. Something’s happening with la, we gotta do something. And I’m like, what? What? What? What do you mean? What do you mean? We having a conference summit? A gang summit with the Crips and the bloods on Sunday, right?

[00:33:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So you gotta understand, he’s already put the word out and these guys snoop that they put the word out to the gangs. Now, one thing that did not happen is, so the first thing that happened that there was no CSW. CSW mean a request for the use of some facility. Permission to do something. All right. So what has just happened is that we have committed to using the community center property that we, he doesn’t own, and I don’t own, and neither does, uh, Snoop Dogg or Crips of Bloods Own.

[00:33:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We committed to holding a summit between the Crips and the Blood at this community sitting on Vermont, ca, you know, Vermont, Los Angeles, California. So I’m like, man, you know, so he just said it. I’m like, you know, okay, I’m gonna get roasted [00:34:00] because I brought you to the party, you know, kind of thing. It’s like, you know.

[00:34:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And on top of that, when you do these events right, you have to get permits mm-hmm. From the government. 

[00:34:10] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So first of all, you got the Crips and the Bloods. They’re gonna send the word out, the word’s gonna go on the street. We’re gonna have 3000, 4,000 people showing up to a place that only holds 275, 300 people.

[00:34:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:34:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So we got a logistical nightmare. We are getting ready to, it is already out. We getting ready to send. Do a conference between the Crips and the Blood. That’s the first thing. The Crips and the blood, who by the way, when they, uh, programmed between each other, when they look at each other to see one, see the other mm-hmm.

[00:34:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Automatically you’re gonna probably have violence. 

[00:34:38] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: If they look upon each other. Right. Red, blue, whatever. Yeah. And so as a consequence, I’m like, oh my goodness. Okay. Not to mention that Snoop and the Game are not the leaders of the Crips and the Bloods, so how they gonna call a summit? So we didn’t get the CSW approval or the authorization from the real leaders of the Crips and the Bloods who happens to be in [00:35:00] prisons.

[00:35:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So it’s like, how you gonna call a meeting between our people, our troops, downline? You see what I’m saying? Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:35:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So now we got bypassing on leadership. Oh my God. And we got a thing going down and we got a facility that we’re on, and now we have to get permission from permits to get done in three days.

[00:35:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know how long it takes to get permit to do something? Months. Months, 

[00:35:21] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:35:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Months. Correct. And then after you get the permission, you gotta get the signatures of the neighbors around the facility. ’cause now you gotta block the streets off. And not to mention you need chairs because now you gotta get a velodrome because only 300 people can be held in the building and the other people have to be held outside with a drone ’cause they can’t get in.

[00:35:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So that makes people tense and why we can’t get in. And who, yeah, who are those people? So you got all of this stuff. So I called up some people at the celebrity center and I called, send up some messages to some very wonderful people, uh, in the management of the church of, [00:36:00] uh, Scientology. And, uh, minister Tony cannot leave because he is in a spiritual process that has to go on.

[00:36:07] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So naturally, uh, I’m the one that has to go to la fly in there and I flew in like the next day to set up. And when I showed up today, event. Uh, we, it was very profound because there were these gentlemen, I believe they’re from international landlord or some group, but whoever they are, they were impeccably dressed and they were well groomed.

[00:36:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I walked into the community center, walked to the office, said, so Reverend Johnson, we are here to help you to do what needs to be done. I was like, what?

[00:36:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So let me tell you something, man. I don’t know how that was a miracle. First of all, all that part’s a miracle, right? So some kind of way we had to raise money to get 

[00:36:52] Brad: the Oh, yeah. And then you didn’t mention somebody’s gotta pay for all this. 

[00:36:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah, we gotta pay for it. Yeah. Right. So I called my son. I, my son is real [00:37:00] good with my celebrities.

[00:37:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, uh, he called up, you know, Snoop and Shaq and, and a few others. These are all his friends. And we, because Snoop had put the word out, you know? Yeah. So they agreed to. Get the drone, the ve the what you call the velodrome, the big screens. 

[00:37:20] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. Yeah. So he said Jumbo 

[00:37:21] Brad: jumbotron. 

[00:37:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So he called jumbotron.

[00:37:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: There you go. 

[00:37:23] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:37:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And Snoop said, okay, call My accountant told him to call the account accountant calls the jumbo Trump people and they bring out the thing like the next day. Yeah. And it just so happened that it was a time where they would be celebrating what is called the maiden voyage, uh, and at LA Day, and they had 5,000 chairs.

[00:37:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so they ended up bringing the chairs outta the blue over to, uh, the community center and set up the street. And of course, uh, we were able to get permission to block off the street miraculously, uh, because Wow. The mayor’s office was involved and the chief of police officer was involved. And so we were [00:38:00] able to set things up.

[00:38:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So two days later, uh, we rolled up on the Sunday morning, and I don’t know to this day, but I tell you, there’s a organization, one of the greatest organizations ever founded. We call them the sea org, and they went to part of the publishing arm of this organization, the church, and they created these most magnificent banners you ever seen where you had red and blue and low riders posters and grips and bloods.

[00:38:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And they had the building looking like the, the Oscars and red carpet and blue carpet out. And so when the, that day when the gangs members came in red and blue and Lowriders and this and that, you had OGs who had canes and hats on and their colors. They were getting out these cars and they were people taking pictures of them.

[00:38:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And, and they looking at the building saying, man, this is really Mac dibon and they’re rolling into the place. And it was just [00:39:00] so beautiful. And the drums, it was all set up. It was just wonderful. And then the event started. We opened it up and then we brought on the speakers and each speaker was speaking and the gang member, and by that time they were applauding and everything was united.

[00:39:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You had the Crips hugging, the Bloods and the Bloods hugging the Crips, and they were switching colors and they were vowing signing pledge to peace and all this kind of things. And it ended off that we must do this. And it was just the most, and then all of a sudden the, the mayor comes out, it was Eric Garcetti at the time, and the, the police chief, and they were taking pictures with the Crips and the Bloods.

[00:39:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And we, we ended the, we ended the, the whole war and the whatever. And people don’t realize at that from that point on. Uh, uh, we, we had been doing peace rides before then in South Central la. We rode motorcycles, low riders, and go-karts and skateboards and everything, riding for peace. And we would pass out these books called The Way to Happiness.

[00:39:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Along with the Million Man March pledge, uh, put out by Minister Farrakhan Nation. And we would go to [00:40:00] different parts of the cities and p these books and we ended up. Literally dropping the crime rate in Los Angeles by 50%. Wow. We were given the award, uh, for those years that we’ve been marching 50%.

[00:40:10] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It had been the lowest since 1959. Now, the miracle exists. This is a miracle. If anybody would’ve called up anybody and said to them, listen, uh, we’re going to have a meeting or a summit in your house on Sunday, four or five days from now, and we’re gonna, it’s gonna be a meeting between the Crips and the Bloods, and it’s an emergency, so we just gonna take your property.

[00:40:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: How many people would gave us the commission permission? Right. 

[00:40:45] Brad: Nobody, 

[00:40:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: nobody gives us permission. 

[00:40:46] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:40:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: right. 

[00:40:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It was the Church of Scientology Community Center that opened their doors to allow the Crips and the bloods to come together to unite for peace. Not [00:41:00] one incident. It was a experience 

[00:41:02] Brad: mm-hmm.

[00:41:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Of love and compassion and communication and speaking that caused these two groups to come together in peace, in harmony to demonstrate what group would’ve done that. But it was a group called Scientology that allowed a miracle like that to take place and showed us and demonstrated that real help and, and real things can be done positive to curb violence.

[00:41:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:41:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The reason why we had, the way it happened, this book list, is because Minister Tony and I, we went to an event called the, uh, the Colombian, uh, miracle, the Miracle of Columbia, where they passed out books that were wars that were going on between the different, uh, cartels and the wars and the people, and they passed out the book and me and Minister Tony, we were like, man, do you think that really works?

[00:41:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He’s like, yeah man, you think that would, okay, re let’s do this. So we agreed, let’s, let’s, let’s [00:42:00] see. We gonna pass out the way that happened to see if it’s, we can lower the rating. You know what I’m saying? And we did it and it worked. 

[00:42:06] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:42:08] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So we could be proud that we believe in the tools that we have in the form of the way to happiness.

[00:42:16] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:17] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, and that something which is the name of why your show, your name, your show’s namesake, something can be done about it. 

[00:42:23] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And you notice that we didn’t call for, uh, arms. 

[00:42:28] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:29] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We didn’t call for killings. We didn’t call for, uh, iPhone I two, four two. We call for just passing out the book and dialogue and communication.

[00:42:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. And we use the tool and we got the results. And we should be proud no matter what is spewed out. We are that group. That’s why I work with Scientologists. That’s why I’m proud to say I’m a Scientologist ’cause I’m using tools that do, does things like that. 

[00:42:56] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: See, we really should be proud of that.

[00:42:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I’m so proud of, [00:43:00] uh, those individuals that opened up the doors and made sure if you would’ve seen the people that was in the room in the building. I know for a fact it was them guys that met me when I got off the plane at the community center some kind of way. They had enough of us who are spiritually in tune.

[00:43:18] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That we were able to make sure that environment 

[00:43:21] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:43:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Was calm. 

[00:43:24] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So that nobody was interated with each other and the event, everybody was just so happy. The mayor, the police chief. 

[00:43:35] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The Crips, the Bloods, the public. And when you saw the newscast. That afternoon. Well, there was a peace summit at the church Scientology on Vermont in South Central where we had the mayor and the Crips and the Bloods and the police chief, they were there signing a peace agreement.

[00:43:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: A peace court. Yeah. Yeah. That was done at the Church Community center [00:44:00] in Los Angeles, California. 

[00:44:01] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:44:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Under the direction and support of the tools called an ideal org that was put there to create those kind of effects. We should be proud and it proves that something can be done about it. 

[00:44:11] Brad: Absolutely.

[00:44:13] Brad: Amazing. Amazing. We gotta do some shit like that. Aaron got, 

[00:44:18] Aaron: at least we get the story out. Get the story out. By the way, by the story I’m gonna have, we’re gonna have, in the link we’re gonna have, the way to happen is in full, you can actually read the entire thing online. The Million Man March pledge, which is absolutely incredible.

[00:44:30] Aaron: I mean, I’ve read it many times and I will tell you, the message is very clear from the prophets. Actually haven’t read it anything. It’s, it’s amazing. 

[00:44:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:44:36] Aaron: Build, 

[00:44:37] Brad: yeah. 

[00:44:38] Aaron: Procre. Treat people with respect. Yeah. Like the, the, the message. 

[00:44:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I also have to acknowledge the leaders of those organizations. 

[00:44:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm.

[00:44:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. I’m talking about the leaders of, because part of that was of course the World Leaders Crusade, but it was part of the nation of Islams [00:45:00] leadership. 

[00:45:00] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, the arm of Minister Lewis Track who, who, who, who allowed his followers to participate 

[00:45:08] Aaron: mm-hmm. 

[00:45:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: With the church and support and advise and encourage, have to acknowledge the leader in the heads of the Church of Scientology, who has the vision to share the tools.

[00:45:20] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Our social betterment tools with all face and all really, these guys have that intention. 

[00:45:27] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And they’re, their, their, their, their, their troops or their membership or their followers or their soldiers, they work on their behalf to carry this thing out and. That is really important to acknowledge, uh, the Nation of Islam, uh, the sea org, uh, the social betterment groups, the members of, of the church and members of the Christian faith.

[00:45:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. Uh, ’cause that’s what we represent. And, and some, and a lot of the gang members represent, most of them being Christians and whatnot. Some of the Muslim, but all of us working together to create [00:46:00] a positive environment. It’s, it’s so important. ’cause so much, so much time. The leadership is polarized.

[00:46:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Therefore, those who follow them become polarized. 

[00:46:06] Brad: Mm. 

[00:46:07] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: But these leaders at the top, they’re united for the betterment of man. And I just like to acknowledge them and, and, and, and that as well. Uh, Mr. Misca, of course. And all of the management guys, which is important. Wow. 

[00:46:21] Aaron: Amazing. 

[00:46:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. 

[00:46:22] Aaron: Now I have a, I have a juicy question.

[00:46:25] Aaron: Okay. How, how did, so, so we have the serve how you connected with Scientology. 

[00:46:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yep. How 

[00:46:34] Aaron: did you connect with. The Nation of Islam, minister Farrakhan. 

[00:46:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh, 

[00:46:38] Brad: yeah, 

[00:46:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: yeah. Part of the nation of Islamists. Want to hear that story. Most of them don’t know, and I’ll probably get attacked for this, but most of them don’t know that I’ve been with Minister of pH.

[00:46:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’m 64 years old now, 65. Many. But I’ve been with Minister of Farrakhan since I was 19 years old. 

[00:46:55] Brad: Wow. 

[00:46:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Again, I grew up in the church. I became a minister, ordained [00:47:00] minister in the church at the age of about 28 Christian Church. 

[00:47:02] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I stayed a Christian, basically, uh, because I felt like the Christian Church needs examples of men being men 

[00:47:12] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[00:47:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And Christians, uh, that are, that are not hip hypocrites. 

[00:47:19] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know? And then, uh, uh, what I mean by that, uh, also a Christian that preaches responsibility. 

[00:47:24] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’m a Baptist preacher by birth and. Form, but I believe in responsibility. Mm-hmm. I don’t believe that Jesus died for your sins. I, I believe he died because of your sins.

[00:47:34] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I believe that Jesus, uh, wants us all to be responsible. And I believe that his life represents that we will rise again. And yes, I believe that there’s one life, but it’s forever. Right. I don’t believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I believe that you can, what [00:48:00] Jesus did, you only 

[00:48:00] Brad: live once for 

[00:48:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: eternity.

[00:48:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Forever. Yeah. You only live once, but forever. You have many different. Uh, bodies, uh, if you will. And so Jesus came back to show that this one death is not it. That’s just a controversial thing that the Christians say, Hey, he is not really a Christian. Yes, I am. 

[00:48:15] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You know? Yeah. Uh, uh, I’m that and more.

[00:48:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Because I believe that Jesus Christ existed, and I believe he did the miracles that he did, but also believe that he did the, the al responsibility. And that means you shall reap what you sow because you have to learn from your experience. Mm-hmm. If you could do any old thing and not learn the consequences, learning the consequences of what you do is part of learning.

[00:48:36] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. So if you, um, experiencing something, you have to look at what part of that experience that I caused in order to ever resolve it. Yeah. Hello somebody. And so that’s just my, uh, viewpoint of, of that. And now, what was your question again? 

[00:48:56] Brad: Uh, how’d 

[00:48:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: you 

[00:48:56] get involved? 

[00:48:57] Aaron: Nation of Islam. 

[00:48:57] Brad: Yeah. You were 

[00:48:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: just 

[00:48:58] Aaron: saying So in 19, at 19, [00:49:00] yeah.

[00:49:00] Aaron: You met the minister. 

[00:49:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. What happened was, I was at UCLA, uh. Uh, and, uh, graduated was graduated from that. And I heard that this guy by the name Louis Farrakhan, I didn’t know who he was, was speaking at the, uh, Bonaventure Hotel, uh, in Los Angeles, California. And, you know, I was, you know, radical at UCLA, you know, black student union, blah, blah, blah.

[00:49:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I’m going to here, you know, I heard a Stoly Carmichael. It is for the total liberation of the masters of the people. And, you know, getting all this kind of stuff, uh, into the militant. You know, when you’re young teenager, you get into like, you know, you know, playing football, basketball, baseball, and those kind of things.

[00:49:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So, uh, I went to here and I’ve heard this speaker and he spoke and then this other speaker, and I was like, wow, you know, these guys since Martin Luther King, I hadn’t heard anybody like rouse him like that, right? Yeah. And so, so I was like, man, this guy and this one guy, he spoke, he was really, really good, right?

[00:49:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I said, man, that dude is. Wow. He’s like, like, dang, [00:50:00] you know? And then I say, man, he’s powerful. And the crowd would go crazy over this guy, right? And I said, wow, that dude is good. But there was something about him like, yeah, but I, he’s really wicked. I said that. Right? So, but that was it. I was like, I don’t know about him, but he was, he’s, I ain’t never seen a speaker like that.

[00:50:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So then they introduced this guy named Farrakhan. 

[00:50:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And when they introduced this Farrakhan, I thought that guy was right. Farrakhan came out that he was on a whole nother level. Mm-hmm. I said, whoa. I said, I want to help that man. Mm-hmm. Right. And immediately he became like the guy that I was gonna help.

[00:50:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So that was a postulate that I decided to help that guy. 

[00:50:41] Brad: Yeah. Boom. Yeah. 

[00:50:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And from that point on, I just latched on to the local mosque called Mosque number 27. The ministers there were Minister Waza and Captain. Uh, Wally and, uh, Lieutenant Haleem, and I was working with [00:51:00] them because I like the discipline for young men, and I liked the brotherhood and I liked that positive part of the nation.

[00:51:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, and I would just leave it at that, uh, ’cause I don’t want to disparage any the na but there were some elements and as in all organization, that I wasn’t there. But then I didn’t want to leave the Christian Church ’cause I was high up because not the Christian Church need positive male figures in it.

[00:51:29] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so that’s mainly why I, I, I, uh, stayed with him, but I continued to work with Mr. Farrakhan. So when Jesse, uh, Jackson ran for president, Mr. Farrakhan came to help him with his security, but also he was gonna buy back the property. Mosque Marion, which is the national headquarters, and I decided to do help them with fundraising.

[00:51:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, so I used my expertise to do that. Then they came with some economic products called Power people organizing work for Economic [00:52:00] Rebirth. They had, uh, purchasing power with lotion and hair pomade and tooth praise, tooth pace and these kind of things, helping their sales stream. So I was doing that kind of stuff, helping to raise money.

[00:52:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I went, been with him that all that time, helping the country. And it was always because he never, he always fought for what was right and what was good and he didn’t back down. Mainly I love Mr. Farrakhan. ’cause it was spirituality, his teaching, and he has courage. 

[00:52:27] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh yeah. So my biggest thing with, with, with courage, 

[00:52:32] Brad: he certainly speaks his mind.

[00:52:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yes. Without 

[00:52:34] Brad: reservation. 

[00:52:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And he has pro survival intention. Un unlike what the media has said about him. Uh. You’ll never meet a a And I have firsthand experience, right? Uh, and I’ve never met anyone that just loves his fellow man. And people think he’s only, he, he don’t like white people. That’s not true.

[00:52:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He loves, he loves everybody. So you have [00:53:00] to be in a person’s presence, uh, to know that about him. Uh, and his followers are not just in the nation. Islam, I mean, mm-hmm. Uh, I, what I know about him, he’s in one instance, he actually literally did, uh, stop World War iii. Uh, he gave a speech among the, the Arab world that kept us out of the war.

[00:53:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No people, nobody would probably ever know that in history, that what he has done for humankind these years by. Keeping everybody in check. He checks, uh, the Muslims. He checks the Christians, he checks the gang members. He checks, checks, the peace preachers, he checks the rich people, the back. He just checks them.

[00:53:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And he has the courage to do that in integrity. You have to respect that. And so I respect that for anything other than, and he’s never told us to go to war. I’ve never seen him go war, go kill this people, that people mm-hmm. It never works. Exact 

[00:53:55] Aaron: opposite. 

[00:53:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No. Yeah. It’s always exact 

[00:53:56] Aaron: opposite. 

[00:53:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. So, so in his, in, not even, I don’t have to He’s, [00:54:00] he’s, you don’t have to defend him.

[00:54:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: His, his work is what his work is. 

[00:54:04] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:54:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And he’s 93 years old man. And he’s been on a battle for, since 1955 or, or, or longer. So that’s just that. Likewise, El Ron Hubbard, I support him, his courage. I know his story. And, and, uh, Kaline Divine connected with him, which may be controversial, but they align and Minister Fark.

[00:54:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Adores the work of El Ron Hubbard. He’s told me many times, and he’s told me to tell the Scientologist, uh, that, that El Ron Hubbard is the, i i is allah’s divine mercy to the white male, to the white man. He says God wants to help and save the human race in mankind, the white race. And he sent El Ron Hubbard to do it.

[00:54:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And unless they embrace Oh wow. What El Ron Hubbard has brought to us, they’re doomed [00:55:00] for. He is the answer to the salvation of the white race. El Ron Hubbard, his technology, he said that to me, to my face. But he did say that and he told me to tell him that too. He is divine. El one hub is the divine mercy.

[00:55:13] Brad: Wow. 

[00:55:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: From Allah to the race, you know, to the white race. And with that technology they can be saved. 

[00:55:20] Aaron: There’s videos. Okay. And I’ve, I’ve looked for many, I’ve seen as many as I. Of Minister Farrakhan talking about, um, Owen Hubbard. Okay. Mm-hmm. And the technology and Scientology and dietetics, and in fact, I have one at which, not recorded, but I heard one of, uh, the members of the nation speak at a graduation in la.

[00:55:43] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:44] Aaron: I think it was the most profound, incredible speech. And I’m so sad I don’t have it to share because he just talks about the auditor as the Good Samaritan of the, your, your brother who’s gonna help you, who’s going to, you know, [00:56:00] despite anything to reach out and as a force of good. And that is the auditor and that is trained, uh, of any race, any creed can study to learn how to be an auditor.

[00:56:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:56:08] Aaron: But, um, knowing all that, knowing that you in a way played a part in the bringing together of the faiths in one common purpose, how, how did that come about? 

[00:56:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Wow. That’s a good question and that is a profound question. Um, lemme just tell you how that happened. ’cause nothing just happens in a vacuum.

[00:56:34] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: When I got to technology in 1992, I found the study technology, I won’t get into that, but I found it as one of the greatest tools to help. So when I came into Scientology, I came in to steal the tech. I was going like, this is the best stuff. So I’m gonna take this, learn how to learn book, put it under this cover, take this, this basic study manual, all this stuff.

[00:56:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It’s like, I gotta get this to my people, right? And then I gotta disseminate it. So my number one person to disseminate [00:57:00] was through Minister Farrakhan and they said Islam. So I’m taking the tech and I’m taking it to the minister and I’m trying to get them to do it. And the minister, he would say, okay, rev, you could do, do a pilot, minister Farrakhan, do a pilot program, which we were doing that and whatnot.

[00:57:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And you know, you gotta realize everybody wasn’t with it. But it didn’t matter because I said I’m gonna help that man. And then I had the other posture, I’m taking this posture, this technology to the people. Yeah. Right. So to help to the people, those two postulate help mankind and help this man and get the, here’s the tool to do it.

[00:57:31] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So it all worked from my viewpoint into A-A-A-A-A-A-A synergism, so to speak. Okay, good. So, so I didn’t come into Scientology for me, I came in Scientology for the people. 

[00:57:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So, I, I am, you know, very arrogant in my belief. You know, I go to church at three years old and I’m the undercover lover, hub of Bubba baby.

[00:57:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I got all power. I don’t need nothing. But they do some or help them get it. So, um, for many years [00:58:00] I didn’t know the difference between Scientology and dietetics. Right. But I didn’t need it. ’cause I’m the undercover lover. Hubba Bubba baby. Right. But they need it, so. Okay. Okay. Good. So I, uh, uh. I went into a ruin when I was the mayor.

[00:58:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I went into a ruin, uh, vice mayor, should I say, on city councilman. And I was in such a deep ruin. The thing that pulled me out of the ruin was the basic books. 

[00:58:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So when I was in that ruin, I started going to the park every day and I was reading all the books. Mm-hmm. I mean, I read like 14 books and then I read Dianetics.

[00:58:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: When I read Dianetics, I was like, Hey man, this is some good stuff. I need this. I’m trying to take it to the world. I need this. Yeah. Dianetics, right. So I went to the president’s office of CC and I told the president in that office, I said, look, I just discovered that although I’m the [00:59:00] undercover lover, Hubba Bubba, baby, I’m a messed up dude.

[00:59:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’m messed up, right? And she’s like, well Reverend Johnson, you’re quite wonderful wonders. Like I said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:59:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Don’t try to smooth it over. I am. I used the bad word. I’m a messed up dude. And I just realized reading this book, I’m pretty messed up and y’all really need to help the brother. And she started laughing. Well, Reverend I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let’s just, let me just have this realization that I am messed up and I found out this book right here handles it, can help me to get un messed up.

[00:59:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So then she commenced to put me on this program, right, okay, we’re gonna help. So I go to this program in some kind of way. I pull in all of this help from things and I ended up. Doing auditing. And I was, uh, got on grade zero, this thing called processing, which is some spiritual counseling and ology.

[00:59:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That’s very, very powerful, very wonderful stuff. And one of ’em is called the communication drill. And the [01:00:00] end phenomena, or inability gain is the ability to communicate with anyone at anything about, uh, any subject at any time, right? So that’s the end product of this thing. And while I’m on this thing, man, I’m having these huge white man.

[01:00:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: This is like the greatest stuff, man. This is man, whoa, whoa, baby man. This is better than sex, right? 

[01:00:20] Brad: I can attest. I 

[01:00:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: damn too, that’s why I, I get other, especially dudes in the game. I said, man, this stuff better say what? Yeah, better than say are. You say, yeah man, this is, this is it? Yeah. So he says, uh, uh, so, so, so, so I gotta get this to the people.

[01:00:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I had to study tech. Now I got this other stuff. I say, man, I gotta get this to man. I gotta get this to my people. And then pop. Pops up, Mr. Farrakhan in my head again. ’cause he’s like the conduit, right? 

[01:00:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I hadn’t called the minister in quite some time and I was like, okay, whatever. 

[01:00:58] Brad: Real quick, sorry to interrupt.

[01:00:59] Brad: C, [01:01:00] can you explain real quick who Minister Farrakhan is for the black community? 

[01:01:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh, well, he’s like the undisputed heavyweight champion opinion leader, 

[01:01:11] Brad: yeah. 

[01:01:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Of integrity. He’s the last man standing. He has no guile in his mouth. He has no hypocrisy. There’s only anything bad about the minister that’s said is usually misinterpreted by the third party hitting third parties.

[01:01:27] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Okay. Because if the minister was as bad as they say, why would he tell his believers to go and get the technology of El Ron Hubbard? 

[01:01:40] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No religious leader tells his people to go to another religion. Who else has done that? 

[01:01:47] Brad: Yeah, 

[01:01:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I haven’t seen the Pope do it yet. But anyway, that’s another subject.

[01:01:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Don’t attack the pope. But he did it because he saw the validity of the technology. 

[01:01:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’ll tell you that story in another time. And [01:02:00] how and who, ’cause it’s very important to know. So he is, again, because of his courage, because of his integrity, because of his longstanding, revered, he’s like a hidden uh uh, uh, holy grail that is revered by the world.

[01:02:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: People don’t realize. He called for a call of a million black men. He got 2.3 million black men that showed up and 

[01:02:29] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[01:02:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That’s 2 million. Called for a million. And who says that? Who does that? We all went, I was there. I was on the steps. I’m looking down. It was, it was the most beautiful thing I ever seen.

[01:02:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: One of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen. That man called for a million. That’s when they saw how powerful he was. Wow. Because he called, he went on a two year tour in all the cities to tell him to meet me on October 15th, 1995 in Washington, DC and 2 million cans. Wow. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now that’s [01:03:00] when the powers that be of the merchants of KI saw, wait a minute, this guy is really powerful.

[01:03:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He got black men to get on votes from all over the world and go, yeah, that’s what he did. And they did it. Now, uh, a lot of people don’t know in other countries, Muslim world, he goes into different countries and he speaks, and 8 million people showed up. 

[01:03:18] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:03:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He goes into Russia, he goes into all the Muslim.

[01:03:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: They, they, they, he’s just not impactful here. He’s also impactful there. So these are things that the media would not tell you about this person. 

[01:03:28] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:03:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The leader of the Muslim world offered him his holy staff when he met with him. I got that stuff on video and stuff like that. And of course, if I had to prove it, if.

[01:03:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Eventually we, I, I would hire somebody to tell his story from a, a third party viewpoint. It would be wonderful if we did that, uh, for the world, not just for the nation, but for the world. Yeah. And the nation. So that’s who he is. 

[01:03:51] Aaron: And I wanna mention one thing. If you wanna see direct, if you wanna see direct and hear from the minister direct, there is a, a series on YouTube you watch, you can watch what’s just called the time and what must be [01:04:00] done.

[01:04:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yep. 

[01:04:00] Aaron: Oh, and you can binge watch that, um, minister Louis Farrakhan, that’s probably 2010, 11. 

[01:04:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[01:04:06] Aaron: Something like that. And you listen him for hours and hours. This guy, I mean, just 

[01:04:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[01:04:09] Aaron: If you hear from him directly. If you ever wanna know somebody. Right. Yeah. Listen to them. Listen to him. 

[01:04:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[01:04:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right.

[01:04:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the thing you gotta understand, the minister is perhaps one of the wisest men that I’ve ever seen. Yeah. So he’s very smart. And what he does, you gotta understand, we in Scientology know about, uh, emotional tone scale. 

[01:04:24] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And the majority of our people, unfortunately, we had a tone of, because of oppression and slavery, not to make any excuses, but the reality is we had a lot of losses and a lot of pains and a lot of, uh.

[01:04:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So we operate just on, in terms of the amount of free spirit of free theater, free flowing theater, we operate at a position of what we call antagonism or anger, which is about 1.5, which the audience may know, but there’s a tone. Different tone. So when he communicates he has to communicate at a tone that could attract 

[01:04:56] Aaron: the 

[01:04:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: people that he’s trying to pull out of from [01:05:00] down here.

[01:05:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He can’t be conservative. 

[01:05:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: To a people who can’t hear it. 

[01:05:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So if he communicates here, wow. ’cause if you get him a dignified audience, wow. He goes to the intellectual audience. Mm-hmm. Powerfully. 

[01:05:15] Brad: Wow. Yeah. 

[01:05:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I’ve seen him talk to world leaders. 

[01:05:17] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And they’re engulfed with him. I’ve seen him talk to the gang members and the thugs and the ones in prison, and they’re engulfed with him.

[01:05:23] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Because he knows how to move up and down. 

[01:05:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The different tones to communicate to that audience. 

[01:05:29] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:29] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: To me, 1.5 is what you use for. The military. 

[01:05:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:34] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And what you use for football when you’re trying to rile up, you know, you have to talk to her. You can’t go in there. Well gentlemen, we are gonna go out here and we’re going to defeat, uh, the opponents and we wanna make sure that, you know, you can’t do, 

[01:05:46] Brad: it’s mathematically, mathematically impossible that we will be defeated this day.

[01:05:49] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right,

[01:05:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: right. Like what, so I would just ask the audience to understand that when you [01:06:00] watch these videos, you’re watching an individual that’s speaking to a certain, uh, tone of the audience in order to attract them. Period. Uh, by all no means, Mr. Fair has never been arrested in his entire life. He’s nine, three years old.

[01:06:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You can’t find a black man in America who hasn’t been arrested in nine three. That’s not a ex a, a justification. That’s a reality. He doesn’t even know. I think that’s amazing. You know? Yeah. I mean, I’ve been arrested. What maybe. Six times, you know? Oh, wow. And one of ’em was legit. I didn’t pay the parking tickets and didn’t show up for a bench warrant, but the other one was, was bull crap.

[01:06:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. But anyway, so, um, it is what it is. Uh, 

[01:06:40] Aaron: okay. So you were, you did, you were doing processing and Scientology. Mm-hmm. And you said, I haven’t called the minutes during a while. 

[01:06:47] Brad: Oh, yeah. 

[01:06:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh, picking up from 

[01:06:48] there. 

[01:06:49] Brad: Sorry, I interrupted. Sorry. 

[01:06:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. So what happened was is that I wanted to get this to the people and I hadn’t talked to the minister for a while, but you know, whenever I get into an organization, I [01:07:00] always end up at the top of the top.

[01:07:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I don’t usually, I don’t usually deal with the intermediaries because I’m the undercover love of Hub Bubba Baby. And I don’t need no com lags. It’s like either I deal with the top or I’m on, ’cause I’m a wild variable. Mm-hmm. I actually am, but I’m a good wild variable. The merchants, the chaos is, they’re in trouble if they ever come into my atmosphere because I’m very.

[01:07:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Whatever, you know? So I deal with the top, and it’s the same way in Scientology, right? I work better at the top. I don’t work better with the guy who deal in absolutes. Mm-hmm. It’s like, well, yeah, that’s the rules, but you, you, what universe are you in right now is the point that doesn’t work in this universe, but you haven’t been in this universe.

[01:07:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You don’t know. So I can’t argue about this ’cause you in this position, but when you leave, I’m gonna apply the truth. And the truth is the thoughts. And I did of work in this universe, right? So I was dealing with the minister and most people didn’t know I called the minister, I’m in rooms with the minister.[01:08:00] 

[01:08:00] Brad: Ah. 

[01:08:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And it sound like I’m bragging now. Like, yo, he wasn’t with the minister. Yes, I was. I was with the minister. I’m not gonna say I went the minister or I went the minister. Yeah. I mean, I’ve hung out with the minister, just me and him and he tells me this and he teaches me stuff. Right? 

[01:08:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:11] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Okay. Uh, and there’s other meetings with other top leaders of the world that I’ve had meetings with Kings and Queens and Supreme Court justices that people that what?

[01:08:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah, I spent. A few days with Michael Jackson, just me, him and his wife, and Isaac Hayes. And like what I said, yeah, I was teaching him, you know, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So having said that, God has always allowed me to be on those lines. 

[01:08:33] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? And if I can’t be on those lines and you stick a lot of people in between me and them, then I just, I’m no longer good on those lines.

[01:08:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Let me go over here and work on this other stuff. There’s lots, plenty of stuff in the galaxy now. So what happened was I was supposed to do something in a project that I had not delivered. So I was, I had to overt there, so I was avoiding diminished it. Right.[01:09:00] 

[01:09:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mean a fact guy. Right. All right. Alright. So I was running from him, right? So he, so, so, uh, I hadn’t seen him in a couple years. So one morning when I had this cognition that I need to get this tech from co uh, from the commun, uh, the end product of, of, of Gray Zero. Said, man, I need to get this to the minister, but I ain’t did that thing, so I can’t call the minister.

[01:09:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? So I’m like, whatever. So one morning at about 6:37 AM I get a call and I, you know, I get a call and I pick up the phone and it says to me, Reverend Al, Freddy John, Reverend Freddy. I say, yes, yes, yes. Hold for the minister. And I’m like, oh, for the bitch. So I jump, I was like my cell phone. I said, oh bitch.

[01:09:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I jump up and I’m like, I sleep in the dude or whatever I got,

[01:09:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: yes sir, right? And the gets said, Reverend, now I’m ready. And I was like, yes sir, brother Vincent here, sir. [01:10:00] And he says, how are you my brother? 

[01:10:02] Aaron: And I said, fine brother Vincent fine. 

[01:10:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? So he says to me, I said, he says, uh uh, what can I do? I said, I said, what can I do for you? I’m here. He says. Well, brother, I hope you mean that.

[01:10:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: ’cause I need you. I was like, oh my God, is he sick or something’s wrong? Whatever. That’s the guy. So I say, yes sir. Brother Minister, what do you need? He says, brother, uh, I am convinced that Scientology auditing, it’s the key to the salvation of the alleviation. Of the insanity over the minds of our people.

[01:10:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I was like, tears started coming outta mys out here. And I looked at the phone, I said, damn. He was in my session, right. How, how he, that’s the first thing he said, I am convinced that Scientology order is the [01:11:00] key to the salvation of the alleviation, of the insanity of the minds of our people. He says that to me on the phone.

[01:11:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. At six in the morning, I’m like, I’m like, 

[01:11:09] Brad: oh. And, and you’re butt ass naked. 

[01:11:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And we complete that. That was symbolic. Now, when I tell people that part, they always, some people get offended, like, why is he telling people they be naked? 

[01:11:23] Brad: It’s part of the story. 

[01:11:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Part of the story. It’s the truth, but it’s also part of the Bible.

[01:11:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Because when Adam and Eve got busted, they was naked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when you naked, that means you have nothing to hide. You got no evil attention. Where did Adam, Adam and E when Adam, God say, Adam, where are you? Right. He was looking for Adam. Yeah. And when Adam finally came out, he came out, what? He came out covered with fig leafs.

[01:11:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Covering. Mm-hmm. I didn’t, I didn’t cover mine ’cause I didn’t have nothing to hide. Right. That’s, that was, that’s the, exactly. He called me when I was naked. I was [01:12:00] innocent. I didn’t have nothing to hide. Otherwise I had some, remember I had to say I had things to hide. Right. Yeah. I was naked uncovered.

[01:12:05] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So he called the clean terminal and said. I am convinced that Scientology art is the key to the salvation of the alleviation, of the insanity of the minds of my people. I can remember the exact statement. He’s like, right. People go, what? I said, yeah. He said that to me. I started crying and, and, and, and, and then he said, so 

[01:12:23] Brad: I started crying.

[01:12:24] Brad: Yeah. I would’ve started crying too. 

[01:12:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Because I said in my session, yeah. That I want to get it to the people and give it to him. And he calls me a few days later and says that statement. 

[01:12:33] Brad: Wow. 

[01:12:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And I didn’t like, where’s he getting that from? What, what is he doing? That’s what he said to me. So when he says that, he goes, okay, so brother, I’m going to send for you and I’m going to invite my leaders of the moss in from the National Labor’s execs, and I want you to, I’m gonna bring you in and have you present Scientology to my people so we can bring this together to [01:13:00] save our people.

[01:13:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I was like. Wow. So I called my mother, said Mom minister called me. He said he wants to do, you know, wants me to come there and present. And then I called Cece and they, we all got together, we put together, uh, the president’s office and of course had management putting together the present. So we put together this beautiful presentation where I gave the history.

[01:13:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I flew in there and I just hung out and I presented. I mean, we went from like 10 in the morning to like 11 at night. 

[01:13:32] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And then once we did that, 

[01:13:34] Brad: yeah, 

[01:13:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: we then did start training. That’s on video. I had to get you the video. Mm-hmm. That’s on video where we brought all of them into. I got folders of where he asked how many are willing to, after they finish their old training, I’m jumping around.

[01:13:50] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We did another event months later where we invited like thousands and he asked him, how many of you are willing to do this? And you see this room full of people standing up and doing. Then we made another dinette, the [01:14:00] largest di. Uh, seminar in history where you see a room full of people, like a thousand people, uh, more auditing on book one in a room.

[01:14:09] Aaron: It’s amazing. We have to get that picture on this, by the way. So I want to get that. 

[01:14:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It is absolutely incredible. I video and the pictures and, and it’s probably in my phone and, uh, short to even before I leave, but, um, that’s what happened. That’s why Minister Tony comes in and he end up being the Freedom Medal winner and, uh, Isaac and.

[01:14:29] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Like robbers. And we got some other celebrities that we, not going out there, but 

[01:14:34] Aaron: I know there was a thing with, uh, there was a Nation of Islam and then the history of man and this and the connection, the numbers, and these Nation of Islam guys some numbers. 

[01:14:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Man’s good. 

[01:14:42] Aaron: They have some like number stuff with the thing.

[01:14:45] Aaron: Yeah. It’s a, 

[01:14:46] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: yeah, 

[01:14:46] Aaron: but that’s more nation. So I don’t know if I want, like, maybe I get some information to come and talk about that, but I don’t know. 

[01:14:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No, I you’re talking to the right person. 

[01:14:52] Aaron: Okay. All right. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Alright. Alright. 

[01:14:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The reason why I say that Minister Faran said he called me the bridge.

[01:14:58] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:14:58] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So I’m the bridge between, [01:15:00] according to him, not me. 

[01:15:00] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The bridge between Scientology and the nation. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Alfred’s the bridge, he announces to the whole nation. Here’s the bridge. He’s the one that’s you Minister Tony said it. Uh, so yeah, that there, there’s a number in the history of man of 76 trillion years.

[01:15:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, the original founder, his name is Master Far Mohamed. Mm-hmm. He is a Muslim that came from.

[01:15:31] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The Arab world. 

[01:15:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:32] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And he saw that the Arab, his thing was the Arab world had gone astray from the original teachings of the prophet Mohammed. 

[01:15:37] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So Allah had sent him to America to rebirth Islam. 

[01:15:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And he sent him to a lost found people, which were the African American former slaves. 

[01:15:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm.

[01:15:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The one that represented them was Elijah Muhammad, who became his student. And he taught Elijah, who had a third grade education. He taught [01:16:00] Elijah Muhammad the teachings, the, the, the teachings. And he also taught that the world was around here, 76 trillion years. So he felt like. Mr. Farrakhan said perhaps El Ron Hubbard met with Master Farra Muhammad.

[01:16:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And they did me because those numbers, when Mr. Farrakhan was in the president office reading the books, I don’t know where you got that. That’s true. Mm-hmm. He’s reading the books. They read in the books. He saw, here’s the number here, the same number that did Master FD Muhammad. So he’s finding the connection and, and when he came here to flag to speak, he also saw that when he came across the causeway, 

[01:16:46] Brad: yeah.

[01:16:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It had been prophesied that there would be a group of whites in the nation that, or whites who would come to help the nation of is Islam. So it was prophesied by Elijah Muhammad that there would be a white [01:17:00] group who would come and help the nation Islam fulfill its mission. Wow. So when he, he thought that was gonna be the, uh, Shriners, which is the uh, 

[01:17:13] Brad: yeah, yeah.

[01:17:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Masons. 

[01:17:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:17:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So when he rode past. On the causeway. He looked to the left. He saw the Big Shriners. You seen it? 

[01:17:22] Brad: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

[01:17:23] Aaron: I don’t know which one that 

[01:17:24] is. 

[01:17:24] Brad: Yeah. There’s the, well you’re talking about, uh, from Tampa. The Tampa Causeway. Yeah. Tampa from Tampa. You’re coming from Tampa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At Rocky Point, 

[01:17:31] Aaron: Uhhuh, 

[01:17:31] Brad: there’s a huge Shriners.

[01:17:32] Brad: Right. Oh, wow. Basically, it’s like a headquarters. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 

[01:17:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It’s like you can’t miss it ’cause Okay. 

[01:17:39] Brad: Yeah. It’s huge. 

[01:17:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. It’s huge. And it’s very beautiful. 

[01:17:42] Brad: You find, if you look for it, you’ll see it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I, I have a weird, my brother-in-law had a surgery that Shriners funded, ’cause they fund a lot.

[01:17:51] Brad: He had basically, one leg was like two inches longer than the other. And when he was a baby, Shriners handled that for him. 

[01:17:56] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Shriner is a Mason. You ever heard of Masonic? 

[01:17:58] Aaron: I’ve heard of them, yeah. Yeah. I don’t 

[01:17:59] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: know Mason. [01:18:00] I know much about 

[01:18:00] Aaron: it, but, 

[01:18:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Well, they’re, they’re, there’s, there’s, they’re, they’re, they’re like, from the Moores they deal with mathematics and a lot of the, a lot of the United States, governments and governments started themselves with them.

[01:18:11] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[01:18:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Like they’re, they’re, they’re 

[01:18:13] Brad: a betterment group. 

[01:18:14] Aaron: Okay. 

[01:18:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. And the shrine, you know, George Washington was the mason, and 

[01:18:19] Aaron: I didn’t know this. My, his, I’m sorry. 

[01:18:21] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Lot of found are shrine. 

[01:18:22] Aaron: We gotta bring a mason on here. But 

[01:18:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: yeah, a lot of the, a lot of those guys are founding fathers of, okay, 

[01:18:28] Aaron: okay.

[01:18:28] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Masons are Shriners and Yeah, they ones wear the hat. And if you look at that, those are, those are Moores, you know, like if you look at the history, the Moores are African 

[01:18:38] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[01:18:39] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Like so to speak. And the Africans are the, if you look at, 

[01:18:42] Brad: but Moores are white Africans, right? Is that right? Or 

[01:18:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: am I totally Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:18:46] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: No, they’re actually black Africans. What happens is, oh, okay, if you look at the Mediterranean, right? Mm-hmm. You got England, all those kind of, right? If you look at all the southern parts of them, you see that they all are olive colored, right? Mm-hmm mm-hmm. Because [01:19:00] the Africans Moores, they went into the north and mixed with the, the females, ’cause they were teachers in mathematics and dah, dah, dah da, right?

[01:19:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So that’s why you have olive color skin, Greece, Italy, Spaniards, whatever. They all. Mix. It’s a mix. Mm-hmm. Race kind of thing. 

[01:19:17] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[01:19:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. So, uh, and then the Moores, and that’s one of the reasons why we talk about responsibility. The white people are, especially the Portuguese, the white people are the, are the children of the Africans who went in there and gnat all the women.

[01:19:36] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:38] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Caucasian women and had their children and then left them. So now they, they’re whooping so their children. So it’s getting ’em 

[01:19:46] Aaron: back to themselves is what you’re saying. 

[01:19:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: They’re punishing as for having Ted and left them. So that’s why we keep getting 

[01:19:52] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:19:53] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Beat up by, by the whites. ’cause we, we got the women all pregnant.

[01:19:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: We didn’t take care of him. We left what, what you saw 

[01:19:59] Aaron: reaping what you [01:20:00] sow. 

[01:20:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[01:20:00] Aaron: That’s what you’re saying. What you saying like at the end of the day, that’s, look as Scientologists here, we believe there’s a book called Advanced Procedure in Axiom. You’re responsible for all that happens. 

[01:20:08] Brad: I’ve never considered 

[01:20:09] Aaron: that.

[01:20:09] Aaron: That’s literally me neither. No, of course not. How 

[01:20:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: it just so happened that the biggest slave import is this one. Is the Portuguese. Portuguese is, yeah. I actually, them guys, they, they breeded slaves like all over the world. They, and they were, and they’re very, they’re very olive. Huh? 

[01:20:26] Aaron: And they’re very olive.

[01:20:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. And Brazil, what you think Brazil is my wife is, is, is Portuguese and African, but the Portuguese, so whatever we did. And so I’m talking about those black African moors, imp, pregnant, all those women, and now the kids come back and get your ass back. But you have to be really responsible to look at that because I’m like, why is that getting this, you know, from, you know, understandably so.

[01:20:52] Aaron: Back to the numbers. All right, so I’ve heard of a meeting, and I don’t exactly remember how I met, know about this meeting, but Minister [01:21:00] Farrakhan was reading into the books of our own Hubbard and specifically saw into the history of men and the dates, sister, men and Technique 88, which is a lectures with.

[01:21:08] Aaron: Talking about the, the, when this universal was created or, or any dates in there, or numbers. Mm-hmm. And so you recognize so so that Yeah. There’s a number on 

[01:21:17] Brad: the back cover of the 

[01:21:17] Aaron: book. Yeah, yeah. 

[01:21:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. And that’s part of the history of, in the teachings within the Nation of Islam, the number 76 trillion, uh, since man, uh, been in this part of the world.

[01:21:30] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:21:31] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Seven, 6 trillion years. So when he saw that, he saw the Kindred source and purpose of why it was a, it was the right place to be. ’cause that was a sign. And the reason why I brought up the Shriners, because when he came over here, he thought it was gonna be the Shriners. 

[01:21:46] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:21:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And then he came the flag.

[01:21:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And it wasn’t those white people. It was these white people. 

[01:21:53] Brad: Really, 

[01:21:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: the flag is a head. So it wasn’t the Shriners that was gonna help the nation. [01:22:00] It was these white people by Elron Hubbard. 

[01:22:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Coming across that car. So you remember, oh, there’s a Shriner. And then you remember, I thought it was gonna be them, but it’s really past the shrines and coming the flag.

[01:22:14] Brad: Oh my God.

[01:22:19] Aaron: Okay. And so, and and there’s more numbers, there’s more stuff. Like, is there any, like, is there a packet or something you have that like analyze it further or anything like that? Because I remember there, there was, there’s like more involved, this isn’t just just one number, there’s a lot of numbers, disconnections, and so I don’t know 

[01:22:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: about 

[01:22:36] Aaron: all that whole 

[01:22:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: thing.

[01:22:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Oh, well, yeah, they, they, they, they, you know, they got individuals that are in the numerology. 

[01:22:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And you have to study numerology. That part of it. I want, I could just, I can refer you to some people. 

[01:22:46] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:47] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, that’s into the numbers and they, they’re, they, they look at the number, like the number 19 is a big number, uh, one of the commandments and I think it’s the 92nd Sure.

[01:22:59] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: [01:23:00] Which is on the Holy Quran. Mm-hmm. And, uh. Being a student. Mm-hmm. That’s one of the reasons why Scientology is attracted to the nation, is being a student. So their ministers are called student ministers, a student, uh, teachers, a student captain. ’cause you all should always should be studying the founder of the Nation of Islam, which is different.

[01:23:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The other Islam is Master Rah Muhammad, and it’s a picture of him holding a book, studying. 

[01:23:25] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:23:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Wow. So you have to study. Right. Study wisdom. So he’s got this book, but it, and they, and then they, they have a thing called Supreme Wisdom. So you have to study supreme wisdom, but if you haven’t been given the technology on how to study, then you really can’t know and apply the supreme wisdom.

[01:23:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:23:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Of course. Right. So of course, now if you look up the word study, right, uh, the name of that chapter is called Read Not Study. It’s read right. And read actually means take [01:24:00] on the thoughts of 

[01:24:02] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:24:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So the prophet Muhammad was illiterate and uh, he was commanded read and he is like LA and he said, I said to the read, so he supposed to read.

[01:24:18] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: But symbolic of that is take on the thoughts of Allah. 

[01:24:24] Brad: Oh. 

[01:24:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So if we to take on the thoughts of LRH or take on the thoughts of God via LRH, then we have to, when it says read or study, study could be the process you go through in order to take on the thoughts. 

[01:24:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:24:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Or it could mean the same thing, but the point is what does the word read means?

[01:24:45] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the read means to read something means to take on the thought of 

[01:24:47] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:24:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: The derivation. You start looking at the dictionary and you go derivation to derivation. It’s actually an action of what? Taking on the thought of which is what? Duplicating [01:25:00] or a RC. 

[01:25:00] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:25:02] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You become one with. Mm-hmm. So the way we become, have the power of God is to take on the what thoughts of God.

[01:25:08] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Then you’re able to be, to do, to have Dynamics 55, right? 

[01:25:13] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So, uh, in communication, you read something or take on the thought of it, you can now duplicate it and implement it and have power, right. To be, to do, to have or not have or whatever, be, not be and, and or not be do or not do have or not have cause or not cause whatever.

[01:25:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Each one of ’em gives you the power. 

[01:25:37] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Which by the way, gives you peace. Mm-hmm. ’cause you can do all of that. You don’t want for nothing. Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And you’re strong and powerful. When you’re strong and powerful. You want for nothing. Yeah. Which 

[01:25:48] Aaron: means you’re 

[01:25:48] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: at peace. 

[01:25:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:25:50] Aaron: Amazing. Yeah. Okay. Now, uh, one thing that we kind of opened a bit was on Baptist Reverend.

[01:25:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. [01:26:00] When you’ve learned in Scientology and by Arun Hubbard, what is his wish in relation to, from your understanding with other religions? So you came in Baptist, you mentioned a quote you wanted to share earlier. 

[01:26:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. Well, basically real quick, the, the way I look at religion, all religion, all religions are, are good and decent.

[01:26:26] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Uh, I believe in the fifth, I’m sorry, I believe in the first commandment of the Constitution of the United States, which is to me it’s born outta what a, I call, a law called the thoughts of freedom. 

[01:26:36] Brad: Mm. 

[01:26:36] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It’s a law, uh, and every universe, uh, must have that as part of its, uh, impetus, if you will. In order to exist or appeal to attract, uh, to, to attract other people, to become part of that group or that institution.

[01:26:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. The thoughts of freedom, right? That means, uh, the thoughts of freedom, however, is actually born out of, uh, via the imagination. And in the imagination, which [01:27:00] is another word for heaven. Uh, all things are possible, right? So when you going to, uh, if you want to access heaven, you have to have the right intentions to do pro survival, long term things for the betterment of mankind.

[01:27:14] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And the thing about imagination is that no power on earth can stop of being from being able to access God via heaven, which means via his imagination, uh, any trap, any barriers, any, uh, kind of government, uh, that system you wanna set up. It’s, if it’s going to override that law of thoughts, of freedom, uh, it will not last.

[01:27:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It cannot last. Uh, and the individual one. Just as strong as the individual, the rest of the, the non one. Uh, so, um, l Ron Hubbard and Scientology has a thing that what’s true for you is true for you. And that was very, very attractive, very, very powerful because, uh, that works [01:28:00] for me. I have the right to agree or disagree at any time.

[01:28:04] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That is the granting of being this 

[01:28:06] Aaron: mm-hmm. 

[01:28:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And of the highest, you know what I’m saying? Uh, if you, uh, you want to be aberrated, then you have a right to be aberrated. And I hold your right to be aberrated as that. It’s just that you don’t have a right to be aberrated in my universe and, and, and, and impose your viewpoints or your aberrations in a manner by which it can destroy the game that we all are playing called mankind or planet earth.

[01:28:37] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:28:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. So when you start, your aberration starts, uh. Destroying the game or destroying, doing more harm than it does good, then justice must come. Or justice is a system that gives back to you what you rightfully deserve. It’s also what the individual or the group does to the individual. When the impinges upon my thoughts of freedom, [01:29:00] you don’t have the right to cut off my thoughts.

[01:29:01] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You don’t have the right to make me agree to you when I does not see how that’s gonna benefit in this universe right now, dealing with the things that I’m responsible for. So, um, Scientology offers everything, uh, in my opinion. So other religion, uh, in their purist form. However, individuals get in positions and then they get aberrated.

[01:29:22] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Then they apply their opinions, and their opinions become suppressive to the majority of the group in order for them to maintain control. Uh, that’s not good. So we need the thoughts and freedoms that allows me to be able to escape the aberrations of individuals who have gone aberrated and that right.

[01:29:40] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That we have, we all have, that cannot be taken. It’s inevitable. The thoughts of freedom, uh, is there, when I say thoughts of freedom, I’m talking about freedom of expression. Freedom to reach, freedom to be, freedom to do freedom, to have freedom to think of this and freedom to think of that. Freedom to disagree, of freedom, to agree.

[01:29:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Those are the things that make a nation, [01:30:00] uh, a organization, a group. Those are the things that make it attractive that I want to defend that kind of system that exists. I don’t care who is in that system, but you’ll be able to track when that becomes challenged or destroyed or oppressed. There’s no weapon that you can create that could stop, uh, a people from fighting for that right to express, because that’s the only way they can achieve freedom.

[01:30:26] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[01:30:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Is being able to think the thoughts of freedom. 

[01:30:28] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:30:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And then they could be free first. Right. But if they can’t think the thoughts of freedom, ’cause you’re making me think this way or agree this way, then I’m, that’s how you trap me getting me to agree to a thought that I don’t agree, disagree.

[01:30:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:30:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so it’s thoughts are seniors, Scientology teach teaches that thoughts are, are senior, the properties, the physical universes matter, energy, space, and time. Right? Uh, the properties of spirit, it’s thoughts, ideas, consideration. 

[01:30:56] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Postulate and they’re senior. [01:31:00] Those considerations are senior to the considerations about matter, energy, space, and time.

[01:31:05] Aaron: Hello? Somebody. 

[01:31:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Hello. Somebody 

[01:31:08] Aaron: that’s a third in there. Hello. It okay. So it’s getting, it’s getting late here. So, uh, last question, man. I wanted to get into the quote of the, uh, oh, we 

[01:31:16] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: gonna come back 

[01:31:17] another, 

[01:31:17] Aaron: okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Last the, the, 

[01:31:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: we just getting started. 

[01:31:20] Aaron: Yeah. The quote was on the, uh, on the, he doesn’t want, he doesn’t want you to leave your religion.

[01:31:23] Aaron: I wanted you to get into touch that the, what was it? He wants you to not leave your religion. 

[01:31:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically what he says, he talks about, not he, El Ron Hubbard, you know, in Sty, talks about the importance of religion. And he talks about, uh, I think it’s, uh, uh, the, uh, it’s about freedom.

[01:31:42] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: You can be free. Um, and he talks about not leaving the religion for which you belong to. Mm-hmm. Right? Scientology basically is, is saying that Scientology is the religion of religion. And for the Scientologists, we need to understand that man is an immortal spiritual being. [01:32:00] Right? Using a mind to start changing, stop a body in order to conquer the physical universe or have dominion over matter of energy, space, and time.

[01:32:06] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: In other, in other words, man is three parts. He’s a composite. He’s matter, he’s energy, he’s space. I shouldn’t say that. He’s spirit, mind and body. He’s spirit, mind and body. He’s spirit, mind and body. That’s the composite of man, he’s spirit. Immortal spirits of being using a mind. Mine is like a picture or a photo album using a mind to start change and stop a body to conquer the physical universe.

[01:32:27] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. If I say to you that the goal of God, the goal of God, the goal of supreme being is what it is, eternal life or infinite survival. In Scientology, God is able to achieve his goal by the duplication of himself in a process known as man. 

[01:32:41] Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:41] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: In other words, God could achieve his goal by duplicating himself.

[01:32:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Therefore, man is God, and God is man made in his. He’s in immortal made as in his image. Mm-hmm. He’s made in his image and likeness. So whatever God can do mm-hmm. Man can do. Wow. Scientology helps you to become God. It brings out the God qualities [01:33:00] in you. 

[01:33:00] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:33:00] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And so does Christianity and other religion.

[01:33:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It brings out the God, but Scientology gives you a roadmap of exercises and processes that you can do to develop your God innate capabilities. 

[01:33:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:33:12] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. And so it makes it very, very attractive. If you’re a Muslim Christian, you become better Muslim, better Christian, better Mormon, better Seven Day Adventist.

[01:33:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It’s just one of the most wonderful tools that we’ve ever had. Religion is important because it gives mans a sense of community. 

[01:33:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:33:25] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: I mean, it brings us together and we come together every week. The word religion actually means, 

[01:33:32] Brad: and we come together in peace 

[01:33:33] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: and we come together in ’cause 

[01:33:34] Brad: wars also bring people together.

[01:33:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. 

[01:33:35] Brad: But 

[01:33:35] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right, right. That’s good. Not 

[01:33:36] Brad: helpful. 

[01:33:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. But we also know that, uh, uh, the word church actually mean community. 

[01:33:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:33:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And we come together once a week to church, which means the community comes together once a week and we supposed to get stat reports on how many lawyers we produce, how many nurses we produce, how many uh teachers we produce, how many, uh, uh, farmers we produce.

[01:33:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: And it’s supposed to be people coming together in [01:34:00] a church, and they get this spiritual side, and then they get the community side that we exist as a, as a city, as a county, as a state, as a nation on those things. Because that’s what. Government is supposed to come together, supposed to offer these services.

[01:34:13] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. Why we serve under this government. But as a, it’s really important to know then that all religions are important because all religions keep in place a reminder of the spirituality of the eternal part of man. Mm-hmm. That’s what it does. Church reminds us of our spiritual side of ourselves. Mm-hmm.

[01:34:30] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Existence, right? Yeah. So we need to keep place and promote, which is what we do, all religions and the benefit for all religions to keep them there so that we have a public and we have a world in which to play the game. Yeah. And man is way better off when you have a self installed ethics officer, uh, such as, uh, a belief in God, a supreme being, yeah.

[01:34:51] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: He’s way better off. You find that people that are in prison or people that are on drugs, uh, people that are in trouble, people that, uh, are suffering in war, [01:35:00] they lost their belief in religion and in God. It began there. Yeah. So man is better off having a faith than he is without, and that’s very, very important.

[01:35:09] Aaron: Amazing. Okay. 

[01:35:10] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Hello? Somebody 

[01:35:11] Aaron: last question. Yeah. You wanna, you wanna get the last question? 

[01:35:13] Brad: Oh, okay. Rev. So 

[01:35:16] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: for the today? 

[01:35:16] Brad: Yeah. Last, last question for the day. In your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:35:23] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Scientology for me is the religion that empowers individuals in all other religions. It gives them ability to fulfill the mission, the goals of their life.

[01:35:37] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It is a, it is, it is an, an institution of knowledge, of training, of spiritual knowledge, spiritual training, and development of spiritual awareness. When an individual discovers his true self and his true capabilities, to me that’s what Scientology is. It offer, it’s a, it is a science, meaning it’s a way of knowing how [01:36:00] to know who and what you are.

[01:36:03] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Immortal spiritual being and how to rid yourself of the travails, of the pains of the past and the pictures of the past. One last thing, the one of the most powerful things that Scientology does it, that it, it, it, it releases is untrapped attention that you have stuck in the past or in pictures of the past that are dead and Scientology pulls the dead energy or the dead attention, uh, takes your attention off of that and frees you up to be in present time.

[01:36:54] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Mm-hmm. That’s one of the most powerful thing that it does. 

[01:36:57] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:36:57] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: There’s a thing that I love. It says, [01:37:00] he says this, Mr. Hubbard says. They’re dead attention units and there are live attention units. Yeah. The most powerful thing is he says, live attention units only work in present time. 

[01:37:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:37:15] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Live attention units only work in present time.

[01:37:20] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:37:20] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Therefore,

[01:37:24] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: if you have something that happened 20 years ago, a picture, and it’s painful. If I can get you to take your present time, live attention units and focus on that picture of the past, it makes it that come into present time. 

[01:37:43] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:37:44] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So many people are, are what they are suffering from taking their live attention units and putting it on the past.

[01:37:52] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: So what the enemies of man is doing, they’re giving us pictures in the movies. In the music, in the video, and they, they’ve taken our attention in [01:38:00] present time and putting on that stuff in the past, and we all are stuck and we make that stuff come alive. Scientology handles us, handles that impediment that we have.

[01:38:09] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: It’s a natural impediment because evil people just put negative images out and get everybody to put their live attention units on the negative image and that stuff comes alive. 

[01:38:18] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:38:19] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Right. We watch the chairman and what he does, he never has things in the events that are negative to place our positive energy on those negative things.

[01:38:29] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Yeah. He always has our attention focused on positive things and bring, bringing positive things alive in present time. Yeah. So we always leave feeling good because we, what we give demonstrations of solutions. 

[01:38:43] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:38:43] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: That something is and can be and shall be done about it. Mm-hmm. Hello somebody. 

[01:38:49] Brad: Hello somebody.

[01:38:51] Brad: And with that, we’re a wrap. Alright. Thank you ref. 

[01:38:55] Rev Alfreddie Johnson: Thank you. Wow. I’m gonna run. Remember, don’t 

[01:38:57] Brad: do nothing. Thank you.