Don't Do Nothing

Brad Bachand is originally from Pasco County, near Tampa, Florida. He’s a US Veteran ranger and attended West Point. He grew up in the Lutheran Church (not a Scientologist at all), even though he grew up near the headquarters of the Scientology religion.

He’s the CEO of Home Love Construction, which he’s been leading for several years, which he got it from his father by working to build equity in the business. The business has been really expanding and doing very very well. He’s also the Co-Founder of the Don’t Do Nothing podcast (what this blog is based on).

In 2018 Brad was introduced to Grant Cardone, and was not interested at all. But after he was pursuing a better business, he started reading his books, and they helped him quite a bit for sales, and so when Grant recommended reading the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. The book answered so many questions Brad had and that’s where he started to go to the Church of Scientology Tampa to figure out how to be involved and use the knowledge in the book to the fullest.

I interview Brad on the podcast and am including the transcript and video below:

Guys, today I have the one and only Brad Bachand. He is my friend. He is my guest today and he’s also the co-host of this podcast. Now, I want to say something about this guy. He’s enthusiastic, okay? He has taken his parents’ company, okay, literally to a 40x. So, we’re talking about 10x. This is a 10x but four times over. Okay. The company last year that he’s leading and the CEO of and co-owner now, majority owner has literally done $40 million in sales. Okay. Um he now has two children, okay, which are lovely, amazing children. Um and has a great marriage and overall just a great person. Someone you want to have on your side and you don’t want to mess with this guy. So um welcome to the show. Thanks, bro. Actually, people like to mess with me because I like messing with people. Okay.

So, I I’ll just correct that. I like because like, you know, we’re like before the show. You’re not serious. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, dude, thank you. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for Thanks for, you know, agreeing to do this just in general. Like this this was Aeron’s idea just for the record. Uh but I think this is like a really important thing, you know, to provide a a safe place to communicate from. Absolutely. I mean, here, you know, I’ll tell you one of the reasons I I want to bring you on, have you share your ideas, is that the closer we are to like when everything was really messed up and crazy, uh, and and of course, correct me if I’m wrong, but like at least, you know, we just did an interview, you interviewed me, and like when things were very tough, right? You’re not too far from that time in your life, right? No. And so I think it’s just a really fant not far at all. And I think it’s important that as you’re making that transition to kind of let people remember and like see what it was like and then what it took to take those steps because you’re so kind of fresh and close to that. So um can we just start like tell me what I guess like look people are struggling out there in business in relationships family no family money like there’s a lot of problems in the world today can you tell me what was it like let’s say I don’t know how when when was like your low point in your life let’s talk about that let’s talk about like when was like a very low point in your life man so there were there for a couple. The one that actually comes to mind is um there was a point where I uh so I a lot of my life is dedicated to my business like just by proportion of time. It’s what I spend the most time on. It’s what I have the most attention on and it’s the thing that I I measure my own success by how that’s built in a large way and like that’s just how I do it. And uh there was a point in really in like late 2020, early 2021 where it was just like not going well. Like in actually I remember yeah this was probably the low point in December of 2021. We had uh we were we were we were growing and um our top sales guy actually left. He took a job at another company competitor. Uh different state so not not really But it’s still like it was like, “Hey, by the way, there’s no exit time. Like I’m gone.

Like I’m coming back, but you’re not going to see me. I’m getting my stuff, setting up the movers, and I’m gone. I start I start Monday.” Not even like a two week notice or anything. No. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, the the good news on that is he didn’t expect any of his unpaid commissions. He’s like, I know I’m giving up everything there of my pipeline, but I I got to take this opportunity. So, he was pretty cool about it. Okay. But that was pretty that was pretty pretty tough. I was like definitely in a place where I’m like, “Okay, I need to like really handle what’s going on here because I was like, I I don’t know what the hell we’re gonna do.” Um, and it like literally he was probably like 70% of our sales in the in the previous six months. Wow. Because I wasn’t doing any of the selling. So, I’m like, whoa, how are we going to survive? And uh in my personal life, my relationship seemed to get worse and worse. I was we can we can get into the the personal life stuff but I had a pretty insane personal life and it was at the same time at the same time. Yeah. This is going concurrently. This is one thing kind of we we both believe and understand like you can’t silo your personal life from any other part of your life. You can’t silo your like whatever your career is, whatever your business is, whatever your personal life is, they’re intertwined. Yeah. The I I don’t believe in the idea of balance. I do believe in the idea of interconnectedness because one feeds the other and they can’t be out exchanged with each other. You know what I mean? They actually have to exchange the the business with the family with the church with the society as a whole. It’s got there’s got to be an exchange there. So what I would describe this as is in in like January February of 2021 like we turn turn the calendar on new year had a terrible New Year’s that year. I specifically remember and I literally felt like I was I was at this point you’re like 28 27 what age? I would have been um let’s see 2021 I’m 32 now what is that? Yeah like 27 five years ago. Yeah something like that. Yeah. So 27. Okay. Yeah. And so I’m like I had this kind of like mockup this like uh p this image of myself that I was projecting to people of like so basically what I was trying to create is I was trying to you know you know the guys who have their Instagram where they’re always on a boat and and there’s girls all around them. Yeah. So I actually got that picture. I don’t think it’s on my not on my Instagram anymore but on this guy named Rick. He has a yacht. I was on his yacht. Yeah. With like 10 girls. Yeah. and like me in the middle like laying back, right? Girls all all in bikinis. And I was like, I got the picture. And I thought that was literally like the pinnacle of of success, but my relationship was terrible. My business was not going. Was Was your girlfriend in that picture or she wasn’t there? Oh, she was. Yeah, she was in the picture. She was right next to me. But uh but yeah, dude. What? And so it I was making it look like my life was really happy, but I was actually completely miserable. I was I got really good at faking being happy. Actually, really good. uh like incredibly incredibly good.

I’m a very good actor. But but what really was occurring and this is the sensation of what it actually felt like is it felt like my my head was getting ground into into the dirt by the boob of life right just right just blow after blow after blow and I seem to just be going downhill. I was having I was literally like most of my life I’ I’ve been in pretty good shape. So I was a triathlon a triathlete in college. What? I was I’m a I’m uh a So I graduated from uh US Army Ranger School and Airborne School. So I’m an army r an airborne ranger. Wow. I graduated from West Point. Like I I’ve been wow fit most of my life. I started having chronic pain like in places. I started like really my fitness started to really deteriorate. I’m still working on that right on uphill still. Sure. But uh yeah, it was literally like the boot of life had me on the ground and was just grinding me into the dirt. And it and it literally I could feel myself spiritually as a being going downhill. I couldn’t I didn’t know how to quantify it. I was I didn’t know what was going on, but I knew that something was very wrong. And uh so I was I would say I was looking for answers. Yeah. Great. I was like what am I what am I doing wrong here? Right. And what stuff like obviously this podcast is like Scientology focused, right? We’re both Scientologists. Y um now like before you got there because this is all preciology. This is all preciology. Yeah. What things did you try? Like what kind of stuff have you been like in your life you’re looking for in like what things have you tried that been like oh maybe that didn’t work or something happened? So the good news about this is on on my YouTube this this all the stuff I tried is there basically like meditation not a good idea by the do not I do not recommend that. Yep. There’s an earlier video of me recommending it. I actually maybe I unlisted that one. Okay. I would not recommend that. That that made it the downhill accelerate actually. right? Cuz I got really introverted into my own thoughts, right? Um I never tried drugs. That that never although I I started considering it towards right when I found Scientology, I was strongly considering maybe I need to go do Iaska or something. Okay. I was strongly considering it. Wow. And I did not do drugs like at all. Period. Nothing. Right. From the time I was like 18. Like I you know smoked weed in high school and stuff but like literally nothing. Uh, I didn’t even drink alcohol from like 2017 to 2021. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, I was like clean. Uh, but I was actually starting to consider, okay, maybe I need to go do videos all this blah, whatever. Is it from videos or from like from like videos? From like Joe Rogan videos and stuff like that. Love I I like Joe Rogan, but I don’t like that that part. Anyways, so um yeah, I was I was looking uh what else did I try? I tried the the the women thing that did mean what does that mean? So the men thing though? Yeah. No. So, so the so literally my at the time girlfriend, my now wife, we were literally in an open relationship with 21. By the way, if you want to be completely miserable, have an open relationship with your with your significant other. If you want to if you want to really be miserable, like have the worst life possible, have an open relationship. So So what does that mean? Like like exactly like how how how does that how first how does how does that start? like you guys have been together for how like how long were you together and then and then I basically when we got together I was like hey this is this is what I want to do. Oh okay. So for me and she was like uh okay I guess dude she we’ll we’ll have to have my wife on. Yeah at some point in the future cuz she her story is I won’t tell her full story. Hers is cra way crazier than mine. Yep. Like oh my I think you know a little bit because I’ve told you but it’s insane. So um put that plug there. Okay. So so you start the relationship. Where’d you guys meet? So, in 2017, her mom introduced us because her brother is married to my sister. Oh, yeah. Oh, interesting. Oh, so like so your brother My sister is married to her sister. My sister’s her brother. Yeah, they’re still married. Okay. So, yeah, they have two beautiful kids. Very happily married. Oh, wow. That’s That’s cool. That’s cool. Yeah. No, it was great. It’s actually And it’s totally cool.

You can do, you know, you can math it out. It’s not incest. Yeah. No, no, one degree separated. But, uh, yeah, so that’s how we met. And I literally at the time I was like, I just want to date. I don’t I don’t want to be in a serious relationship. And I told her mom that, too. Okay. And then I meet her and she’s awesome. And so I was like, damn it. Like I knew we we would wind up like being together. Yeah. like, you know, for a long time and uh so I was kind of frustrated about that because I wanted to date, you know, and uh yeah, we w up being together, but I was like, “Hey, but I still want to be able to date.” So I was trying to have my cake and eat it, too. Okay. Okay. That was literally the concept. So So you meet her? Yeah. And on the first date, you tell her this or after like how when do you like spring on her like, “Hey, by the way, you should see other people.” Probably Yeah. Pro. Yeah. Well, that’s the thing is like I actually didn’t want her to see other people. So I was like, you kind of know, but then me, yes. Dude, this is I’m just telling you the truth. This is the complete truth, by the way. She will attest. Um, but basically, yeah, this was so so bad. Okay. So, how So, how long? Uh, three months. I think it was probably months in. Yeah. Yeah. Were you already think I told her or you were you were you were No, I actually wasn’t. No. No. Before I told her, like in that period where it was like, I want to do this, but I haven’t told her. Like, okay. probably like no no no infidelity okay because I would have considered it infidelity right but then once I told her I was like okay good now I have my own self-created hall pass but it was like but like I said earlier if you want to have a miserable life have an open relationship so so so talk about bro I just have to say this like I have never been as miserable in my life as a period where we were in a in an open relationship it was so bad that actually I I slightly misspoke earlier in 2021 or sorry, 2020 when the COVID thing happened. I was like, “Okay, I gotta get really serious about my business.” And I told her, “We’re done with the open relationship thing. I’m just gonna be with you.” I actually came to that realization on my own somehow magically because I just saw that that it was going so bad. And uh yeah, and actually I I stuck to that. I think I at least for a day. At least for a day. No, but but anyways, I had come to the realization that that was bad. So the I just want to really like hammer the the open relationship thing. If you want to be miserable, have an open relationship. So So I I I just want I just want to like clarify a little bit. Okay. Okay. So you tell her, “Hey, I’m going to see other people you’re not.” Actually, you literally said that. I mean, and then and then and she said, “Okay.” Yeah. Stop, bro. I look at me. You serious? Yeah. And she’s like, “Okay, I will not see other people, but you can.” I mean, basically, yeah. Did she Did she save anybody else or she? Not Not really. Not really. Actually, never. No. No. And And And how did you Wow. Sorry. I’m just like thing. Imagine like you have a person that that like you really love. You’re basically who you look at as your spouse. We are obviously married now. We have two kids. Beautiful. Amazing. Um, Scientology fixed that. By the way, like Scientology actually gave me, it didn’t fix it. It gave me the ability to fix it. It restored to me the ability to fix my own life in this area. Most beautiful thing I’ve ever done. And fixing this also fixed my business. We’ll get into that. We’ll get into that more.

But um what were we talking about? Oh, so you said, “Okay, I’m going to see the people you’re not.” She’s like, “Okay, I love you so much that you can do it and and I’ll be good and clean and you go be crazy. You’ll get over it.” I guess maybe that’s what she’s thinking and and I guess it was true. Yeah, actually she was. Yes, that is kind of exactly what the concept was and that’s exactly what happened. So the thing was I was extremely unsuccessful because successful finding other women. Yeah. Because So So you sip on the one or you sip with Well, we’ll leave it open. We’ll leave it in there. We’ll leave it in a miss. Okay. Yeah. Dude body count. Listen listen. Open relationship means like Okay, cool. You were on Tinder. You swiped a few times. That’s right. And you met up with nobody and like Okay, cool. Then that was not even really an open I mean it was open but nothing happened. No, I mean some a couple things happened. Couple things happened. Okay. Yeah. And uh so I mean that you know that that occurs but realize that as I’m like trying to it’s it’s literally so here we can we getting into like a Scientology principle is like when you’re trying to I learned this is one of the biggest things I’ve ever learned in Scientology is you can’t reach for something with a closed fist because if I try to reach for a book on the shelf with my fist closed I gota I got to let go of whatever I’m holding on to and then I can pick a book off the shelf. Right. So he I’m trying to You never heard this? really never heard of. Well, it’s a withhold. Okay, I got you. Yeah, allows you to reach when you let go of it. Yeah, this is just my your interpretation of this is my Yeah, this is my understanding of of the concept of, you know, basically, you know, getting off your overs, which is So, anyways, I I’m like holding on to Okay, I I uh I don’t want to because I actually really that whole time I was like I didn’t want to make her uncomfortable. So, I was like, okay, let me do it in where she’s not going to notice it. Blah blah blah. Like even though I you know I’m trying to like agreed. I’m trying to be transparent but hidden at the same time. Literally that was the concept right so you can imagine it went super not well right like it was super unsuccessful many awkward weird situations and uh I’ll just say it again if you really want to be miserable have an open relationship. And so then what happens now? Now now that misery like can you describe like you’re you’re just thinking about what like what’s going on in your head? Yeah. What was going on in my head? You name it. Yeah. Yes I can name it. It it was a frantic uh fear that I was going to be missing out on uh sex. Like literally was a frantic fear that if I don’t go and find more women to have sex with, then I’m going to be missing out. That like I’m just telling you straight up like that’s actually your mind day in day out all the time. That’s right.

To the extent where I can’t think about like business deals. I can’t think about expansion. Like I’m just so distracted constantly by this like imagined problem. Mhm. And I’d imagine there’s probably a lot of guys that actually go through the same thing in their life. I’ve been there. I I I actually almost did something similar, but not that similar, but but close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, I think actually a lot of men go through this and and the and the thing that happens is either either they just succumb to it and it’s like they just go into apathy on it which which really sucks because then it’s actually still there or they actually overcome and they’re like they kind of figure out a way to bust through it either on their own or bro Scientologists don’t tend to have a lot of marriage issues. Yep. because we there’s a technology for handling your like your uh you know your family life. There’s literally a technology for that. And so that was actually the first thing that I did by the way was was I did a confessional on your first thing in Scientology. Yeah. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay. So, we skipped a lot. Sorry, sorry, sorry. We skipped a lot. We skipped a lot. Okay. So, you’re with But that’s the like the most important thing to me was that first like confessional, right? No, no, but how did you even get how do you get how do you get from like Yeah. Hey, you have this open relationship, you slept with at least another girl, maybe a couple. Uh you’re with your wife and your wife knows about this. Did you did you like tell her or she just like you told her, “Okay, you told her I in in semi-real time.” Yeah. As close to real time as I could I could and then what? And then she and then what? And then she’s like the reaction. She’s Well, she not happy. Yeah, I could imagine. Obviously, she she would be like, “Okay.” And then huge fight about something else. Right. Right. Right. Which like just one more time, if you want to be really miserable, have an open mind. You can’t appreciate your own girlfriend, wife, fiance, whatever she was at the time to you, you actually wind up really disliking the person that you’re with. So, you started you started really going against her. Yeah. which I was like, man, this is so weird because I know she’s amazing and I really do love her, but now I’m like, I don’t like her for some reason. I wonder why, dude. I wonder why. But the concept it’s it’s strange this connection. Yeah. You don’t make this I mean Yeah. I could see that on your end and like some people might understand that, but I fully am with you when you’re Yeah. doing these hidden things and even though it wasn’t so hidden, there’s not like she knows all the details. That’s right. Right. you kind of like you try to take it off your chest, but like you’re not gonna go down into all the specific. So like she knows a little bit some of it this and you start being upset with her. Yeah. Right. And and that’s real to me. And I don’t know guys if you’re really I don’t know what to say. Let’s just move on. So okay, that’s that’s happening. All right. That’s going down and then Okay, but you stop that before Scientology just said, “Hey, this is a bad idea regardless.” It’s not like Scientology made you some goody two shoes and this and be on the thread and arrow. you decided out on your own, this is terrible. Yeah. And you told her, “Hey, I’m committed to you now.” Or what was how was this? How was the process of like turning that thing off? Yeah. So, one thing that we were doing is uh we would literally throw parties to try to be around more admittedly like cool guys, but also attractive women. That’s who goes goes to parties. So, I thought, by the way, the best people on the planet, they don’t go to those parties.

Just so you know, I I have now in this stage of life, like I have met a lot of the best people on the planet. I’m completely confident in saying that. And they don’t go to parties, right? They do go to fundraisers. Fundraisers are a great place to meet people, just so you know. We met I think we met in the first place, bro. Fundraisers are better than masterminds. Yeah, they’re both I mean, they’re different. Fundraisers are the best. Anyways, that’s my that’s my personal No. So, okay. So, you’re throwing parties. Yeah. So, throwing parties to find to find But now you’re done with you’re done with your open relationship prospects. Now you’re throwing parties to meet people or No, that was the same same time. Throwing parties da da da like getting I was trying to really get into like the nightclub scene and like be basically like a promoter and bring You were trying to be a promoter. You mean like make money on parties? Yeah, basically. Yeah, that’s exactly right. Oh, we we actually did on a couple parties. Um, but it was like uh so that’s actually the thing that we ended after uh after COVID is I was like, “Okay, we got to end this distraction thing.” And that was and I’m like and I and we need to end the open relationship thing. So, you know, it’s just I got to be less distracted cuz cuz I came to a realization that I was like, “Wow, the the the guys who have it the easiest are the guys with money and I don’t have any money. M I’m like literally I I hadn’t taken home since I had left the army cuz I I left the army in in 2017 is when I got out. I hadn’t taken home more than $35,000 in a year prior to 2021. Yep. So you’re you’re below average. Yeah. Well below average. Yeah. Yeah. Like well like it was so bad that my sp my girlfriend now spouse paid I think she paid two-thirds of the rent and I paid a third of the rent. Okay. And she paid for everything. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn’t afford to pay for anything. Okay. And but you still had this business. So So you were in charge of the business. When did when did when did you get kind of like serious about it? No. No. When were you kind of handed the business to to take over? Yeah. So, so that that happened in when I was getting out of the army in October. I got out of the army on Halloween 2017. So, October 31st, 2017. I basically had a decision to make a couple months before that of do I because I have a physics degree from West Point. And so, I could have very easily gotten a job on Wall Street. Yep. And gone the investment banking route and eventually wound up at a hedge fund, which is what I was How does physics make investment banking? You can you can think with concepts and and you don’t have to have a lot of mass to work through a problem. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah. Just never I never made that correlation, but yeah. So yeah, like investment a lot of times you have to be able to think with concepts without having the physical thing right in front of you. Right. Right. Yeah. It’s it can be a tough thing to do. So anyways, um and physics does translate really well into that. So I’m like, okay, do I do that and obviously make a ton of money or do I go help run my family business? And I chose to do the family business thing. Admittedly, because I was actually scared of this, this was the safer route. Yeah, this was the safer route to Right. It’s like it’s your family, you know, the stuff, whatever. So, I move in to the shed behind my parents house. Well, I’ll have to make sure, right? You want to leave the army? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Ashley, my now wife, moves in with me. We’re living together at that time. How big is this shed? 300 ft. I’ll We have pictures of We have pictures of it. Yeah. blowing. We We’ll show it in It was basically like finished on the inside. It had a little window AC unit in it that was very moldy. Nice. Yeah. It was Dude, I got a really bad cough at that time. I think from the mold when we moved out, boom, cough stopped. It’s crazy.

No, the mold is a bit bad. Yeah. So, so we do that and uh that was when I started, you know, running the business. I really got serious about the business in at the end of 2021 when I actually my dad and I were flipping a house together and we sold it and I said, “Hey, I don’t want my share.” We made a lot like for whatever reason that house worked out in a really strange way. There was like an insurance claim from the county. They literally just gave us like 200 grand and it was like basically the renovation was completely free. So we made a ton of extra money on it and so I was like, “Hey, keep my portion, but I want 62% of the business.” Well, at that time nothing. Yeah. had zero equity. Zero. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It wasn’t gifted to me. I Wow. Well, you bought it. Yeah. So, you basically were given a job by your parents. And it wasn’t even And it wasn’t worth Yeah. I was given a job and it wasn’t worth what I paid for. It was worth well less than than what I paid for it. Oh. But my parents had never had any money. Wow. You know, like not nothing substantial. You know, they’ve always gotten by. That’s great. Yeah. That’s awesome. So, okay. So, you bought into the business. So, now you’re bought in. Now you feel it’s yours and then you’re rolling. And is this now Scientology? When does it come in? So this is end of 2021. You already restarted a little bit of stuff or what? Okay. Yeah. I kind of starting concept of responsibility. You guys were right, dude. It’s like pretty fast. It’s like you look at somebody’s life who who wasn’t a Scientologist and then and then find Scientology, somebody who’s actually looking to improve. Like when I walked in the door of I went to the church in Tampa. Mhm. When I walked in the door, um, you know, they check me in, like there’s always a reception, you know, sign in, and then I sit down with somebody who’s going to tour me, and they’re like, “So, what are you here to hand?” Like, “What do you want help with?” Because obviously you want something. And I’m like, “I’m here because I want to reach my potential.” I was like, “Wow, I know I’m not anywhere near my full potential.” Wow. Yeah. Now, the cool thing is what I’ve come to realize being a Scientologist now for four years is I actually didn’t even know what my potential was. And now the game for me is what is my potential? I knew it. I wasn’t near it. Now I’m like, “Oh, [ __ ] gez. I don’t even know how high the potential goes. Let me keep pushing to see how far it goes.” So different game entirely. But uh yeah. Okay. So from the moment that you Oh, I was going to make a point though. If you see somebody’s life and like they weren’t a Scientologist and then now they were and there’s kind of an inflection point in the middle there and you really dig into them, they will wind up explaining to you how Scientology was the factor. 99.9% of my sex percent of my success, not sex. No, no, not sex. 99.9% of my success. God damn it.

Somebody give me get get me on the cans. So 99.9% of my success is attributable directly to Scientology. Wii without Scientology I can’t access I I would not have been able to access that on my own because if I would have been able to I would have done it. Right. Right. There was no lack of desire. There was no lack of push. I mean, dude, like my wife will tell you when I first started in construction, I would consistently like three or four days a week be up until 1 or two in the morning watching construction videos learning how to estimate things because I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. So, I would learn it. Wow. I’d be like, I don’t know how to retile a shower. So, I don’t know how to price it because I don’t know how long it’s going to take. Let me watch a video from start to finish of a guy retiling a shower so I learned every little nuance of this thing. So, I was extremely dedicated. But dedication alone doesn’t get results, right? Yeah. So, and so you were in the field from 2017. That was 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. I was in and out of the field. I did do a lot of labor myself. Like mostly the biggest place that I really learned what the labor thing consists of is my dad and I were always flipping a house along the way. We probably flip like four or five houses in that time period. And I would do the manual labor there. So, I got the concept of how hard or easy things were. So, now at this point in my business, it’s very hard to trick me. I basically can’t be tricked, right? Somebody’s like, “This is so hard.” I’m like, “No, it’s not. give it to me. Boom. I do it. And I’m like, not hard. If I can do it, you can do it. Look at these soft hands. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so in 2021, uh, beginning of 2021 is when, uh, you told Ashley, “Hey, we’re going to stop the parties. We’re going to stop the open relationship.” And then, uh, 2020. 2020. Yeah. Okay. So, there was about a year in there, you know, postcoid. Maybe this was like Yeah. A little bit postco. So there’s a year in there where still things weren’t getting marketkedly better. Mhm. You know. Yep. It was still like a little Yep. things just not going well. Right. Right. Yeah. And then how did how did you find St. Holmes? So, uh, in back in 2018, a friend of mine named Matt, really good friend of mine, I’ve known this guy since I was two, actually. He’s the only childhood friend who I’m still in touch with. He’s an amazing person and uh he’ll probably see this. Matt, love you, man.

So, he introduced me to a guy named Grant Cardone back in 2018 and I hated this guy in 2018. I did not like him. I did not like him. Sure. Sure. And uh you know, fast forward to 2020 and now I’m like, okay, I had this sales problem. So, I’m like, okay, well, Grant has sales training material. So, I’m like, I start reading Grant’s book books on sales. I read Seller Be Sold Closer Survival Guide and then I read Be Obsessed or Be Average and that was in February which we have somewhere on my shelf. Yeah, we have I read this book actually I listened to the audio book. Thank god I audio book. Thank god. Well, I would not be a Scientologist if I hadn’t listened to the audio book because in the audio book Grant says towards the end of it he says if you want to learn how to eliminate negativity from your mind forever read the book Dionetics by Elron Hubard. Oh dude, we should clip in the clip from his audio. Absolutely. Let’s do it. Yeah. Okay. Throw it in there. So he says, “Read the book Dionetics by Elon Hubard.” And so I’m literally in my head I’m like, “Oh, that’s that Scientology bleep, right? Exploive.” And I’m like, “Well, okay, I’ve tried Grant’s material. I’ve seen that it works. I really like what this guy’s saying because Be Obsessor, Be Average really spoke to me. I love that book because in that book, he explains how he went from being a literal drug addict. He was a drug addict at 25. He went to rehab. He overdosed three times. I know people who are who have been and were and still are drug addicts.

I’m in construction. I see this all the time. They don’t get better, right? They people who are addicted to drugs, they either find a way to get off of them and live like handto-mouth the rest of their life or they die. Those are the two outcomes that I have seen for people on drugs. And so for that guy to say, I overdosed three times at 25. I went into rehab and then I stopped doing drugs and now I’m worth now he’s going on a billion plus dollars net worth. One of the most well-known business people on the planet. I’m like that’s not possible. There’s how how there’s that’s unexplainable except for one explanation which is this book that he says to read which I’ve been like no no no way. So I’m like, “Okay, let I get the book on Audible.” And I listened to the book Dynetics and within like the synopsis chapter, I was like, “Oh my god, this is what I’ve been looking for.” Wow. Because I was looking for a thing. I’ve always known that mental, right? I I point to the head, but mental is not the brain, right? I’ve always known that the mind uh which is actually a spiritual, right? That’s actually a spiritual piece of you. The mind is actually spiritual. It’s not a physical brain. Mhm. Um, the mind is senior to anything going on in the material world. I’ve always known that. It was always real to me. And and so I was like, there’s got to be some manual for the mind. There’s got to be somebody who’s figured this thing out. And I would read these books like um I I don’t want to name him because I’m not I’m not a huge fan of them, but but I would read these books on spirituality and energy and blah blah blah blah blah. And it was like they’d always be getting close and I could tell there’s a kernel of truth in what they say, but none of them nailed it. Dynetics nailed it. I was like, “Wow, this is a mechanical explanation for how things work and it explains all of the things that were seemingly unexplainable to me about how people acted, about how I acted, about how my wife acted, about how my parents acted and I was like, “Oh my god, I actually found the manual to the mind here.” Which actually, don’t people call, doesn’t he call Dynetics the manual to the mind? in some places like that. I remember thinking that and I was like wow this is actually it and so obviously he talks about you know the reactive mind and you know being clear I am now clear very happy about that you too and uh I was like man this is this is what I’ve been looking for this can help me to actually reach my potential so you just started you’re getting in you’re like boom well I read dynetics you read the whole thing yeah yeah listened to the whole audio book and at the end credits I remember going **** because I’m My mom has always kind of been like my terminal for me where I, you know, I go to her if I need help with something like no matter what it is, she’ll always help me. So I’m like, man, I’m okay, I’m already working out this game plan of I’m like, okay, I’m g have to get my mom to read Dynetics and then train get her to be an auditor and she’s going to audit me, right? I’m like, wow. I’m like game planning. How am I going to get my mom to to clear me basically? And uh so I’m like, that’s going to be really tough.

Let me let me just see. And then I Google Church of Scientology near me. And I remember I was coming off a 275 towards my apartment. and I lived in downtown Tampa and I Googled Church of Scientology near me and there’s one five minutes from my apartment in Tampa and I was like, “Oh, wow.” And so I filled out a contact form and a girl named Destiny, great friend of mine. Oh yeah, you know Destiny. Destiny calls me. Destiny calls. Destiny Calls. Okay, that’s right. Good name. And uh and she says, “Hey, you know, we got your contact form. I saw you’re looking.” And I literally put, “I want to achieve my full potential. Please help.” She’s like, “I saw your contact form. listen, I’m going to send you a video. Watch the video and then let’s have you come in tomorrow at 10:00 and you can see the building and, you know, see see if if this can help you. And uh obviously it could help me. She she did a good job of holding back, like not being overly excited, not being too aggressive. Yeah, exactly. So I walk in, I do the tour, they’re like I took a personality test. Yep. And mine was like happiness like negative 80. So it was like happiness negative 80 and then up in communication like 90. Wow. But then like slanted down with like a very low point of responsibility, but it was like unhappy. But remember earlier how I talked about how I portrayed myself as a very happy person. Yes. Yes. I had the the face. I could do the face all the time. Even when I’m miserable, like boot of life on on the head into the dirt, the smile would never go away. Right. Right. But for the first time, I’m I’m like I actually I had a very similar reaction to to what you had. I almost cried. Yeah, I was very I didn’t cry because I’m not because I’m not well a whip. I’m not a whip. Hey, I was also like 14, bro. 13. Oh, that’s true. That’s true. I was like a child. But you know what? I don’t know. I don’t know if I later. Well, I’ve cried a lot since. So, okay. Yeah, it’s all good. I probably cried on camera. So, anyways, uh yeah, I’m like at the point of tears because I’m like, wow, this actually in like this actually indicates to me how I actually feel about myself. If I’m being honest, I’m actually not happy at all. Yeah. You’re looking at a piece of yourself in the face, dude. That you’re not really looking at the results of that personality test blew my mind because it was so accurate. I was like, how does how did this get this out of the questions I just answered, you know? Absolutely. It shocked me, too. I’m like, huh? Yeah. So, I’m like the the negative 80 happy. So, the girl looking at it, she’s like, it seems like you’re not that happy. And I was like I was like, “Wow, I’ve never admitted this to anyone, but I’m really not. Like I’m actually pretty miserable.” Wow. And uh she’s like, “Well, do you want to do you want to do a course?” She’s like, “There’s courses that can literally help you with the things that are contributing to that.” Yeah. And I was like, “Yeah, yeah, let’s do that.” And so she’s like, “Well, there’s these five courses all in like there’s uh there’s like different like intro courses that you can do and there’s ones that like tie into each other, kind of like prerequisite like routes, right?” Yep. So she’s like, “Well, this this route would be kind of like your general life and like if you’re unhappy, this is probably the thing that’s going to help you the most.” So I was like, “Okay, good.” She’s like, “Do you want to do all five of them? It’s only 250 bucks. It’ll take a couple weeks to get through, maybe months.” And um I literally didn’t have the 250 bucks. I wanted to do it. I literally didn’t have the 250 bucks in my bank account. So, I was like, let I try to play it cool. I’m like, let me let me just do the one. Let me just do the first one because I actually had the I had like $130 in my bank account. Right. Right. So, I’m like I I buy the course. I go and do the course. That course was And which course is this? Uh it was overcoming ups and downs. Okay. So, I do that one. It was it was good. Y um it didn’t like wasn’t necessarily time. Now, I do that course and I’m like I love Yeah, because there’s layers. I feel like there are there’s layers like in the when you do these courses like how much do you get if you read it one time and you know absolutely nothing you might get 10% of it and it might be nice layers 1%. Yeah. Yeah. So the person who it describes as like the antisocial personality I was in business with one of those at the time and couldn’t even see it. Wow. Yeah. More on that later. Okay. So then I do the second course which is called personal values and integrity. And first off, I love the title of the course because like integrity is something that has always like uh it’s just a thing that resonates. Yeah, it just resonates. That’s right. Yeah, that’s the word I was looking for.

It resonates with me and it’s always been one thing where I’m like, wow, I love that. So I do it and in that course he says something to the effect of uh nothing in Scientology is true unless it is true by your observation and like that’s the truth and and maybe he says like in that Scientology and I was like whoa holy cow. I was like because I I was raised uh in a Lutheran church like I grew up that’s like a part of it’s a very like normal like they don’t really do anything weird but it’s very like that’s I’ve heard of Lutheran. I I know a few of them. They’re pretty chill. Y but uh you know it was very much you know it was kind of like here’s what you believe it right and it was always kind of like a sales cycle on like hey you should believe this you should believe this. Yes. And for this guy the guy who who founded the religion to say hey if you don’t like you need to see that this is true and then it’s true right it’s like and if not then it’s not. Yeah that’s right. And so it just made me so right that I was like, “Wow, I always knew that that’s what it was.” And and he also talks in that course about be he doesn’t say this, but the concept is like having the the stones to actually say say what you see like you see something and say actually say it because there’s so many people who walk around in society ignoring these huge massive problems. It’s like a house is on fire. You’ll be like that house is on fire. They’ll be like, “No, it’s simply warm. Simply un unc un uncomfortably warm. It’s like, it’s on fire. Somebody put the house out.” Like there’s so many things like that in society. And I felt like honestly a crazy person like pointing things out to people and being like, “Do you see that this is really going bad and being like, should we do something about it?” And they’ll be like, “No, no, it’s fine. No, somebody’s going to handle it.” And I’m like, that nobody’s going to handle it. So, you know, I I’ll have to think of like what an example of that is, but I just knew that that happened again and again to me where I would point something out and it was very real to me that that was there and everybody else would be like, “No, no, it’s not actually there.” Well, if you’re talking about a business partner that was Yeah. maybe screwing you over. That’s right. Someone was like, “Can’t you see this guy screwing?” You’re like, “No, he’s cool. He’s chill.” That’s right. He’s all good. Yeah. You know, I mean, that could be an example. So, that course, dude, that c that course that course got me. That course made me a Scientologist. Well, to be honest and uh I remember I had told my wife like a week before when I was finishing the first course, hey, so I’m doing a course at the Church of Scientology and she’s like she’s like that was like her first response cuz she had a bunch of weird information on it um from you know family and friends and news and blah blah blah. And so I bring this pack home and uh I show her that line about, you know, nothing in Scientology is true unless it’s true by your observation. And she she sees it and she’s like looks at it, walks over, does something, then comes back and she’s like, “You think I could get a tour?” And like, “Wow, one line.” Yeah. That was a that was a oneliner pickup line. Oneliner. Oneeline pickup line. Exactly. Yeah. So, uh, then she went in and she just freaking rocketed. Like got way ahead of me for a long time. Like really, she was like, “Wow, this is like really what I’ve been looking for.” Like, you know? So, that that was a really proud moment for me when I was like, “Okay, I actually showed her something that really helped her.” And it and it has helped us in our relationship unbelievably. It’s it’s really been incredible. We wouldn’t be together if we were going for like we would have split up for sure. You guys had you guys had talked about that already or you just and you could fade it or what? No, but in in talking about it, we both knew like we’ve talked about it together many times of like yeah, if we if we didn’t find Scientology and handle ourselves individually, then we would not have been able to stay together. We were on the road to peace out. You got Yeah. Now, you mentioned so you did these uh do you do the five those five courses? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I’ve done almost every single one since then. Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah, I know someone who does all of them once a year. He’s Anyway, is it fast? Is it Michael? No. Oh, okay. No, but Okay. So, um, now you said the first thing you did was a confessional. So, what does that mean? Obviously, it wasn’t the first thing because you did something else. Yeah. Yeah. So, I did that course, but then So, there there’s a thing called like a like a major action, right? And there’s there’s a thing which is called the E-meter, and you know, Emeter is a tool, right? like you hold the cans and it just, you know, help it helps find things, right? That that’s your reality. Is that a good description of it? Yeah. So, so yeah, the E-meter, we could go into it. There’s like a few videos, but if you see like all those Super Bowl commercials, there’s like this machine thing comes out and it um it basically can find the trouble spots in your life, help you or help a minister or somebody help you locate what’s the real issues. Yeah. So, so that that tool is that’s where a lot of the magic of Scientology comes from by my observation. Yep. Is like that’s that’s where it really gets really in like insanely like crazy good.

That’s where it did for me anyways. So the first thing that I did that was like considered a major action was that like the first time I ever picked up the cans was to do what’s called a confessional which is b where you basically tell the auditor all the bad stuff you did. Yep. Yeah. And so I was doing that for you know 80 90 hours of that and uh you know just boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and things actually started moving in my life at that point. things started like actually picking up picking up the pace. Good, you know, good good and what I thought was bad at the time, but actually turned out to be good. It all wound up actually being good. But like during that like me and the business partner split up. Yep. You know, it was like a lot of the bad business partner obviously, but like a lot of things really started like a lot of changes. So much change, dude. It like literally at the start of that versus the end of that, my entire life changed. Wow. Literally my wife and I I don’t have my ring on right now, but we literally got married at the end of that. And I literally texted her one night as I was coming home because I had the realization. I was like, “Oh, wow.” So, oh, I forgot to tell you at the beginning of our relationship just before the statement of like, “Hey, we’re going to have an open relationship. Me, not you.” I told her, “By the way, I’m never getting married.” Because I I’ve been married I I was married once before. Okay. Yeah. So we got divor I got divorced like right right as kind of as we met each other and I was like I’m not getting married again. So you let her know. Yeah. So I let her know that. That was like hey for sure. And I literally text her one night like you know probably like January of 2022 and I text her and I’m like hey we should get married and she’s like So it took it it took off your block but it didn’t give you any any romantic uh any any No. So, so she’s like, she calls me and she’s like, “What?” She’s like, “Are you serious? Are you messing with me right now?” Cuz I love to mess with her. Sure. Sure. Sure. She’s like, “Is this a joke?” And I was like, “No, it’s not a joke. When you get back, cuz she was actually on on a on a on a retreat.” I’m like, “When you get back, we’ll get married.” I was like, “And we and we need to have a kid. Like, we need to get pregnant as soon to get as you and we did.” What? Yeah. Okay. Had you And you you hadn’t talked about kids either or No. talked about kids. You said you were going to have kids and not get married. Yeah, we had talked about kids since day one. And we’d been together at that point. We got together in 206 or 2017. Uh, and that would have been 2022. So, we’d been together for like six years at that point. We’ve been talking about kids the whole time. Interesting. So, so Wow. So, you were like, “Hey, let’s have children, not be married.” Yeah. Okay, fine. Dude, the the do you do you know the moment you decided like to not get married uh in your life again? Like what you know what point you made that like decision? Yeah. When when my first wife and I split up when when she left me actually. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was like I was like what I what I so I’ve always like even before being a Scientologist I was always of the mindset of like if something bad happens turn it into something good. M like there’s a really great saying I like that floats around the internet that I love. It might be and it might actually be a Dan Kennedy data. Okay. He says if you can’t fix it, you feature it. Okay. It’s like hey if you can’t handle it at least figure out a way to make it into a positive.

So I was like okay wife left me getting divorced. Okay fine. I was like because at that point I was actually very like I’d maybe dated like three girls. Mhm. One of them was was my wife at the time, like very, you know, chased, you know, good boy. And uh I was like, well, I’m a free man. I can go be wild. I was like, that’s the positive. I was like I was like, new life. That’s what I literally thought was happening. I was like, oh, wow. This is my second lease on life. It actually wasn’t. That was actually my second lease on life happened in February 14th of 2021 when I walked in the doors of the Church of Scientology in Tampa on Valentine’s Day. Is that Valentine’s Day? It actually might have been. It is 14. February 14th is Valentine’s Day. I think it I thought you were going to say he got married cuz you’re like February 14th. No. No. Valentine told you. Yeah. That’s hilarious. By the way, that is Valentine’s Day. Is it? Yes, dude. Come on, dude. I’m not romantic. I’m telling you, bro. This guy, you need a You need romance lessons, bro. It’s true. I do. I I’ll figure out what course I give you. Have you ever written Have you ever written a love letter in your life? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, well, I mean, at West Point, I was I was very No. a little bit with your wife. Well, I was married. Well, I was I was with your most recent wife. Your current wife? No. Love letter? No. That’s a problem. I’ll write a love letter. No, bro. Love check. Listen. Listen. My company has love in the name of it. I’m playing. Well, so then you got to remember you have the smiley face on, but then you got to show that love, bro. It’s true. I’m just telling your wife watch this podcast, so you have to do it before this goes live. But bro, did you ever do like more of an official proposal or anything or you just did that text one? Bro, listen, bro. This is bad. This is bad. I know. Do a love letter. I can help you. You want to know what’s worse? Yes. Go. I had the money set aside to buy her a a ring. So, the reason I don’t have a ring on, I’ll just confess, is because we never bought rings. Stop. You’re You’ve been married this whole time. You never had a ring, bro. This ring, guess how much this ring cost? 100 bucks. I don’t Yeah, it’s just that’s just how you roll. It’s 100 bucks, bro. So Jared Judy, I literally had the money set aside to buy her a beautiful ring about this was like four months ago. I was like, “Okay, we got to just handle this. I got to get you a ring.” And she finds out I have the money. And she’s like, “No, no, no, no, no, no.” She’s like, she’s like, “What is that money doing there?” And I’m like, “You going to make me tell you?” I was like, “It’s to get you a ring.” And then she’s like, “No, don’t get the ring. Hold on. Listen.” She’s like, “Pay for our Disney trip instead.” And I’m like, “Are you serious? You want the But you know, she loves She loves family.” Here’s the thing. She would rather have a Disney trip with with our family than the ring. Did you Did you read this book? So, it’s like Did you read this book? Yeah. Yeah. I I don’t know if you really read it, bro. Because I had a miss. You got to do both. Yeah, it’s true, bro. Ring for whether your company’s being. Bro, get a ring today, bro. Don’t even go back to your office. Don’t go back to your house. Go get a ring. Write a love letter. I can guarantee you there’s not going to be a ring next, bro. Listen, it doesn’t have to be that crazy, but to have something and also for yourself, bro, to show to show that you’re proud that you’re married and love letters, bro, are amazing. Poems, songs, anything you could do. Do you do you know that women listen, women put women are not going to like tell you, “Wow, I would really love you to write a love letter for me.” Cuz in their eyes, dude, if they said that and you did it, it wasn’t of your own creation. Yeah. And they’re just doing it to themselves. That’s true. So they won’t ask you. Yeah. And in fact, they’ll tell you not to. Don’t worry. I don’t need it. Yeah. Listen, you women speak is something that that is uh Come on, bro. Yeah. Listen, love letters, rings, ring. You don’t need one ring. But like, dude, I’m just telling you right now, after this, I will stop I will not stop giving this guy problems until he solves this with his own wife, bro. You know, your daughters, you have two daughters. Y would you want their husbands to be romantic with them? You don’t think so?

You don’t think it’s important? I don’t care. You know, I mean, it’s just not a It’s just not a button for me. It’s not about you, bro. I would want them to be successful. I know. I would want them to be successful. Uh, I want them to be very ethical. Do you know the number one selling type of books that exist? Romance books. I’m sure because romance novels, right? The particularly women, they love this concept. They love this. Like, Bri, I guarantee you, you write like an amazing love poem and you give it to your wife, she will not only love it, you guys are going to have a great night that night probably. However, so you need to know there’s something So, there’s something you need to know. My wife, I asked I had asked her on several occasions throughout our relationship, “Hey, do you want to watch this Nicholas Sparks movie?” She’s like, “No, I hate those movies.” You know why? Because it’s going to shove it in her face that her husband hasn’t done that [ __ ] ever, bro. If I was her, I would get away from that thing with with like fire. I’d be running away from that thing cuz she’s going to something that she’s never like, you know what I’m saying? Maybe what I’m saying is maybe after she comes on and tells her story, it’ll make more sense. I know, but dude, try it. Hey, here’s a here’s a I want you to Okay, let’s comments. Are you gonna consider Okay, comments, guys. Should a guy do anything romantic? Should a guy write love letters to his wife? Uh uh, write poems? Uh, the flower thing. I’m not great at the flowers, but I do it sometimes. I have to. I’m actually learn. Okay, so you got to do flowers, but I do I do do flowers. Flowers, right, without a note is half of the job. Oh, yeah. It has to have the love in it, bro. Okay, fine. Cuz listen, anyone can have flowers. Anybody can have balloons. Anybody even the ring. But like, do you know one thing that’s amazing? It’s communication. It is a communication. Something that you don’t like, you’re not going to go and and and be like, “Hey, this is how I feel about you.” And then just go on for like two minutes straight talking about all the things you love about her. That’s not normal conversation. Is that you don’t you don’t do that, do you? Sometimes. Absolutely. So, uh, then you have to do a longer note. Okay, fine. it like it’s it’s a little bit unusual and it’s not in common like discourse to be like these are all the great things about you. Yeah. But when you put it down and you spend that time, it’s such an amazing moment, bro. So, uh I hope that by the time your wife sees this, she’ll have been surprised. And if not, she’s you’re going to hear it. So, you know what? I did write her a love letter once for good. Yes. On your first date? No. No. When we were first dating. Oh, okay. Maybe like six, eight months in. Something like that. I’m proud of you, bro. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So now I need to pick it back up. Okay, we’re So So that’s it. That’s it for that. I’m not gonna roast roasting my love. Yeah, I’m done. Hey, you know, I’m I This is something that I’m in case I haven’t said it. My wife is awesome. She’s amazing. She’s incred. Thank you. We’ll have to believe it. Okay, how about you know what? I’m going to put you on the spot. Yeah. Write a love message to her right now on this podcast. Smart. Sure. Go. Like you were just doing like as it You want me to say like you are? Yeah. straight through the letter. Okay, Ashley, you’re an amazing mother. Uh our kids are incredibly uh beautiful people and it’s directly because of your example that you set for them. Uh you inspire me to really like on a daily basis, by the way, uh to really actually get to work and contribute in a way that’s going to make the world a better place because you deserve that. you uh you know, you put love into everything that you do. Like you you get hold of something and it just goes amazing. Like it just boom, it takes off. The people are happy. Uh it’s that way with our family. It’s that way in our business in the areas that you run. And people love you. Uh and you know, you are really one of, if not actually the best thing about my life, and I wouldn’t want to do it without you. You like that? Beautiful. Yeah, I love that. That’s why I don’t write love letters cuz I can just say that’s Yeah. So, you know what I mean? And I do. Good. Yeah. Good. But I will write a love letter. Amazing. Yeah. Amazing. Correction. Correction tape. Good. Okay. Good. So, now uh Great.

So, so you you did the text marriage thing. Uh and then and then you got her pregnant like right away. Right away before the marriage circle. That’s great. That that’s that’s amazing. And so, man, that’s that’s great. So tell me like I don’t know that’s amazing. I just have to say that’s amazing. Um the whole story and everything. Yeah. And um well well I can tell you like here’s the funny thing is that’s amazing but then it really actually gets interesting. Like and for me life was actually it was it was bad but it was actually really boring. Pre-ciology. Scientology actually gave me a game to play that’s actually like big enough, you know what I mean? Because before I was playing way too small. And so like get into Scientology, start actually studying the material. At one point I found um basically the administrative works of Aron Hubard, the founder of Scientology. So he’s got this whole body of work that’s about how you run a group, right? And I started learning that and these are just general principles, right? These these are general principles that applied to any group will cause the group to run more smoothly, people to be more prosperous and for the group to expand. When I found that and I started actually studying that and learning to uh really mimic the way that he set up the church because his stuff is is for the church. You have to really digest and really come to understand my this is my personal opinion sure is that you have to really come to a very deep understanding of it in order to apply it to a secular group or a company. Mhm. And so when I started playing that game of actually learn upping my own ability to run a group with, you know, with love, with care, with actually Yeah. home love w with actually wanting the people in it to succeed and knowing how to get them to succeed, right? Getting people to actually have a win and not just having to be surrounded by losses. That’s when stuff started getting really, really good. Uh we can maybe we can actually throw the graphs in here, but like pre Scientology the the graph of my company it was trending up like we were up every year. Uh but it was like from 750K to like 2.1 million. Y we then went from 2.1 million to 40 million in a in the same amount of years basically. Wow. So that inflection point and that you know tipping up of the graph bro it’s because of Scientology. Like I I don’t I don’t know what else to say about it. It’s like the the major change in my life. Boom. Scientology and then and we were talking about it on uh on your episode on the last episode, but like the number of highly successful like monetarily highly successful people like billionaires by the way. There’s two that I found out about between then and now. There’s five actually. Okay. Five in the group. Yep. So the chances just went up by another like Yeah. It’s I did some math on it. Anyway, it’s definitely way better chance. Way better chance. Yeah. So, uh anyways, that’s when it really started getting interesting and that’s when uh you know there’s there’s just been dude there’s been so much uh growth in me that I had always things I’d always wanted to do thing and and the type of person I’d always wanted to be and had known that I could be. I just didn’t really know how. The trick is just to be it obviously y but you can’t be it if you’re withholding yourself, you know, whatever that that thing is that you’re trying to be. So that has been a fun fun game to play is like actually expanding the me right into many different things and making a lot of things go really right. Making businesses grow, uh making my relationship go amazing, making my family life go amazing. Like I, you know, whenever I see a really successful person with their kids and their kids are also great and happy and having a great time, like when I see you with your kids, like when you did the, you know, your grand opening and the kids are running around like, you know, your little babies like trying to crawl. I’m like, “Wow, this is actually this is an actual ideal scene is like the person’s got their their group is really doing well, right? Their business, it’s growing, expanding, doing amazing. the family’s doing well, the person’s doing well, you’re bright, you look great, I’m like, I want to be that. I want to have that, you know, because I if if there’s like the business is great, but then like the wife hates the guy and it’s like he’s actually probably miserable. I know. It’s And definitely that definitely is not uncommon. Yeah. So, did you do the course having a happy baby? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I’ll tell you, bro, I think I’ve done it three times. I’ve done I have four children. We did it before the first, before the second, I think before the third. on the fourth I’m like I think I think I got it. I’ve done it twice. Yeah, I’ve done it twice. Yeah. First one, second one. Yeah, I mean it’s amazing. Yeah, that that data. So, for anybody who who’s who’s seeing this who isn’t a Scientologist, definitely one thing uh that that I think anybody actually would agree with, but it just needs to be said more is you cannot give your baby too much love and affection. It’s impossible.

You can’t give them too much. It’s and anybody who says otherwise is evil and wants bad things to happen to you and your baby, right? That like that is just a fact. Um and the other thing is like when when a baby is born, right, it’s important to tell them that you’re happy that you’re they’re there, right? Like you got to realize there’s there’s a there’s a big person in that little body, right? and uh that I’m sure you had that experience. But when you actually really tell them, you know, give them a lot of love and affection, you really tell them, “Hey, I’m so happy you’re here. Welcome. We’re going to keep you. You’re safe. Like, you don’t have to worry about anything. We got you.” Uh you can see the baby. You can see the baby calm down. I agree. Yeah. Like I’m remembering each one where that moment where they’re like, you know, that in the in the in the course, Ron talks about how they they exhale like they Yeah. I’ve seen it many I I’ve seen it with each one multiple times because they’ll get riled up and then I what I would do is I’d remind them Yeah. like, “Hey, it’s okay. You know, you’re safe. We’re going to keep you. You’re safe. It’s fine.” And then go chill out. It’s like it’s very I mean it’s that’s a really good way to tell uh one huge difference between like the psychology mind and the Scientologist. Yeah. Scientologists really believe in the human spirit, the person. And I believe that that baby can definitely understand you. They know what’s going on. They know when you’re a good mood. They know when you’re a bad mood. And the psychologist is going to say that baby knows nothing. They can’t even hear. They don’t, you know, they won’t ever remember anything. They never like they won’t be affected. Like it’s a totally different mindset. Yeah. And the point is is that it’s not it’s not just like a little piece of flesh. It’s actually a human being that’s again in a in a in a baby body. And so I feel like it’s a big difference when you treat someone like a human being. You know what I mean? Because children are human beings. It’s not like it’s not some other species or some other race or some other thing. It’s like, bro, that’s that’s a person right there. And I think like that fundamental belief is so helpful in the talking to anybody and any like not just children, but even other people like other people human like anyway that’s all. Yeah. Um Yeah, dude. I I think it’d be an accurate statement to say we both really love our kids. Yeah, I agree. I haven’t written my love my kids a love letter, so I gotta work on that one. I I know, bro. I know. No, but hey, listen. I have the uh uh I have the expo uh for Luna’s art show that you’re coming to uh next week, which is amazing. I appreciate that.

And uh yeah, I I will say I was just thinking how your your kids are how old? One’s two and a half, the other’s like half. Half away. Yeah. six. Yeah. There’s such a massive change in your life when those kids really start expressing themselves and they get older. Like I will say that I it’s really like that next chapter. So there’s like, you know, you’re single and then there’s a family and then you have the kids and then when the kids are like fully alive and talking to you, you’re I think you’re going to have such a blast. Like I feel like they keep us in check. You’ll see us because like whatever you they pick up on everything, bro. M these kids, they know everything and they’re like they will watch you and and they have no reservations. They have that integrity part that hasn’t been beaten out of them by life. Like they see and they’re going to say it and and they’re going to say what they think. And anyway, bro, I’m I’m excited for you, bro. I’m excited for you to have uh you know, your children to grow. Yeah. And I’m sure she’ll be around to see that. But yeah. Yeah. So, dude, what do you think? Like let’s say someone’s watching this, they’ve gotten this far and they’re like, “Ah, well, like what what do you recommend somebody does? They like they’re thinking about Scientology or Dynetics and stuff and like but they’re not sure. Maybe there’s like I don’t know. I don’t want to go there or I don’t I don’t even know what people really what their concerns are, but clearly you had also concerns.” Yeah. Right. So, what do you think is the biggest thing from stopping people to be like, “Hey, let me just come in and Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously there’s a lot of false data, like a lot of false information floating around. Like there’s there’s false information about me floating around probably about you, about like there’s other people who are just hanging out with or there’s false information floating around about them. Realize that there’s people who like get a kick out of just messing things up, just make just like like making things bad. Yeah. You know, so those people, they literally get paid to make things bad. Like that that’s one thing that I would say. The other thing is like when I first walked into Tampa, I was very like on guard because I had gotten some of that like bad information, frankly, and I was like, “Oh, what’s going to happen?” Da da da. And so when the person when the lady was like, “Yeah, so there’s a course. It’ll it’ll take you a week or two to do it. It’s 50 bucks.” I was like, “That’s it?” Yeah. I thought you were going to ask me for like $50,000. 50 bucks. I was like, “You got the secrets of the universe and you’re giving me for 50 bucks. Come on, let’s go.” That’s actually what it is. is it’s like they have the secrets to life that you’re not going to find anywhere else and it’s like 50 bucks a like it’s like the intro courses like that’s all the all the ex like crazy stuff it’s all there in in those intro courses that’s what I found that’s that’s what’s true for me but um yeah I mean I think like what I would say to people is for me uh I formed my own opinion by going and looking for myself. So that’s what I always encourage people to do is like don’t take somebody don’t even take my word for it. Go look for yourself. Like if you’re interested, go see what it is. See with your own two eyes. Like drive by. Is the building nice? Like do the people look happy? Is it a calm environment? Like if that if all those are checked, like are they actually inviting you in or trying to keep you out? It’s like the these are all kind of like datas. Like if you walk in, they’re like, “Hey, can I help you?” Or they’re like, “What do you want?” You know what I mean? Like that’s that’s like an indicator. When I walked in, they were like, “Hey, who are so happy you’re here. Who are you? Sign in right here, please.” They’re like, “Are you here to see somebody?” I’m like, “Uh, I think I have a tour.” They’re like, “Oh, you’re going to be you’re probably with Jennifer. I’ll get her to come over.” It was like boom, like serviceoriented, right? And I walked in to the to the T organ. I was like, “This is really nice.” I was like, “This is kind of impressive in here.” Like because I do construction, right? That place is like, “Oh, wow. The construction is really impressive in there.” So, I walk in and I’m like, “This is like a four, five, six million dollar building right here. What is going on with this?” I’m like, “There are these all over the country, all over the world.” And are all of them this big? So, like there, you know, not not all the churches are that. There’s some like small groups, there’s some big ones, but I I would tell people to just go look for yourself. like get a book and actually read the book for yourself and just decide like do you agree with it or not? Absolutely. Now, did you know any Scientologists before? No. This you never like met up someone they said, “Hey, wasn’t a buddy give you a book?” Nope. You said this guy Oh, no. He gave you a Grant Cardone’s book. Oh, so the buddy that showed you Grantology, he sent me a Grant Cardone video. Oh, yeah. No, he’s a Christian. He’s a very devout Christian. Okay. Very ethical dude. Like, I respect I really respect that guy. Wow. Yeah. So, you didn’t know any Scientologist ever? Zero. Zero. Wow. Which which just candidly So, like one one thing that I obviously I’m very passionate about like we’re here doing this is like letting more people know that Scientology actually exists. And also that it’s not uh contrary or uh exclusive. Like there there’s this weird idea floating around that Scientology is somehow exclusive. It’s not. It like LRJH made Scientology for the common man. Mhm.

It’s literally for There’s a book called The Problems of Work to help people who are at the bottom rung of the corporate ladder get by better at their job and actually either rise the corporate ladder or learn how to own the corporate ladder. Like LR made Scientology to empower the masses, right? So, so that the world can actually have like a a peaceful uh you know growth rather than some terrible revolution which is kind of like if you look at politics maybe what we’re like going towards with with psychology and and everything that’s the the current order of like of mental health right it’s literally like a hey let’s go this other way with mental health which is peaceful and actually helps people and actually gets results not this crazy where where people get more angry and more upset and worse in health. Yeah. Right. So, I forget how I got on that. That’s fine. Yeah. So, what is the most surprising thing that you noticed in Scientology after you started being there? So, the most surprising thing is I have never seen I I have seen people um I’ve never seen an upset like angry person inside a Church of Scientology. Wow. Never once. Four years like thousands of hours walking around. I go I go almost every single day for for a long periods of time. I I’ve been going every single day for long, you know, months at a time, like knocking out different services and courses and stuff. I’ve never seen somebody upset. That’s great. I’ve definitely never seen a staff member upset, right? Somebody who actually like volunteers or or works at a Church of Scientology. Um that’s probably the most surprising thing is that the there’s no uh what we would call missotion, right? Because why? If if you’re helping people and you’re helping them in the most important way, which is helping them uh basically improve the mind and the spirit and their condition as beings, why would there be any reason for upset in that environment? There’s none. There’s no logical reason for upset to exist and it doesn’t exist in that environment. Mhm. So the the and the the funniest thing, not surprising, but funny, and I’ve learned that this just occurs whenever anybody’s successful in anything, is the amount of uh you know, negative news that it gets, dude. It’s it’s it’s funny to me at this point. Like I just I just learned I just learned that um you know, Caesar Milan, the dog whisperer, you know who that is? Yeah. Yeah. National Yeah. Yeah. So, I used to watch that show, The Dog Whisper, as a kid. Me and my sisters watched it religiously. Like anytime it was on, we would watch The Dog Whisper. We watched it every day after school. So, I love I love that guy. Like, we would literally go around the he does like the thing to dogs. Me and my sisters would do that to each other like around the house. And I just found out Caesar So, Caesar Milan, the guy, he has a huge uh basically like the news like has been like lambasting him. It means like um you know like basically criticizing him harshly for like almost a decade now just like freaking beating him up in the news. And I realized I was like I I when I saw it I was so surprised. I was like what Caesar Milan like this guy if you watch him in his show he is he is a he he’s not a Scientologist that so so far as I know. Um, I know he’s friends with some some very high level Scientologist, but he if you watch him in the show, he’s a um you can tell he’s a spiritual person in the show. And this is, you know, 20 years ago or, you know, 15 years ago. But he’s the most calm, like centered, uh, you know, how would you say like TRS in like just like very clean communication, very calm in his communication, stays stays, you know, within, you know, boom, in in his calm space, like no matter what’s happening, dogs freaking out, he’s like, you know, never breaks. And I’m like, wow, that’s a very impressive person. And so it now makes sense for me that he would get a lot of attacked. Yeah. Because news organizations, they survive. They think, by the way, they’re they’re done. Like Elon Musk ended them. But they’re done. But they think that they survive based on tearing others down. Yeah. But actually that has been their ultimate undoing because you do it to the wrong person eventually. Eventually you do it to somebody who has the power, Trump or Elon, to show that what they’re saying isn’t true. What they’ve been doing is they they went too they tried to go they flew too close to the sun. They tried to take out the top dog, Trump and Elon, right? And these guys have the the wherewithal to show, hey, this actually isn’t true. And enough people listen to them that they’re like, you lied and now it’s like, what else have you been lying about? So now the whole thing is coming unraveled for them. Like the legacy media is done. Yeah. We are the media now. This this is now the media. Yeah. Yeah. I remember uh for me one time I uh this just reminds me I started Scientology and like when I was in it for maybe I don’t know two three years a bit in and I was going around and I went to like delivering a po a post office thing to the post office and there was uh a very famous newscaster guy and he’s like literally until he’s like Scientology is dangerous. I was like really wow I was shocked. I’m like, did what? What do you I’d been in this thing for many years and like got rid of like I my entire life changed so much for the better and the people around me and then I go like what is it? He’s not even actually saying anything. Like the word d it’s not even saying the the thing is the news are so smart at using their words because a lot of times they’re not doing what’s called like blatant lying.

It’s just deceptive. Mhm. So like I don’t know you could say for let’s just say uh you say hey walking on the street is dangerous. I mean it’s not a lie. Like anything you do in the world is d like if you walk if you walk if you walk on the sidewalk you could get hit by a car. Drinking water is dangerous. Yeah it all you it. I mean seven people a year die from drinking water. They drown in their own water. It doesn’t really mean anything. And then there’s levels. You know what I mean? like okay cool. Uh so the things that they say if you once you start paying attention and actually uh I mean I did a course you might have done it but one of the the exercises you do in the course is you actually you read like what’s logic and what all the stuff that makes logic and what makes like no logic or illogics. Yeah. And then you literally I’m on I’m on that. Oh you’re on that one. Okay. Good. You literally take that and then you open up the newspaper and then you look and read with like an eye to see and you go, “These guys are insane.” Yeah, they are actually insane. They’re they’re actually insane. Like some of the stuff that’s coming out is so so bizarre. Yeah. And I will tell I mean I’m kind of answering my own question here, but like that’s what surprised me the most. Is that like how in the world can these media people do what they’re doing? Yeah. And it’s so much of their funding comes from people who want others scared. Yeah. And you know what I mean? It’s like well most of their funding comes from drug companies which the you know what’s funny drug companies the um the supposed like you know how recently people it’s been coming out that drug companies fund news stations so that they won’t criticize them on air. Right. I actually from my viewpoint that’s actually a cover. Right.

That’s a that’s a plausible that’s that’s like a okay if if this is a good and this is like really really bad. They went to like here, right? It’s like it’s bad but it’s not quite bad enough that they’re going to really get blown up. It’s like okay that’s logical. I get it. They’re just being smart but it’s not true. It’s like that’s part of the truth. But the full truth is if if you just look at it like um I always notice this whenever the NFL is in season because I use the NFL app and I freaking I’m cheap so I don’t pay for it. So I I get commercials but I’m usually like watching it while I’m driving around or whatever. So I hear the commercials. They literally are advertising illness into existence on a continual basis. That’s the truth. They take something that’s not even a thing like and some of the stuff that they talk about is like you know there’s one that I want to bring up but it’s kind of inappropriate but but they literally are like advertising in illness and convincing people that things that are actually have nothing to do with taking a pill can be solved by taking a pill. Yep. And like that’s that’s the the real why. So this this partial why of like they’re they’re advertising so that the news channels won’t criticize them on air, it’s part of the way there, but it actually assumes that they actually want a good outcome. And the truth is that large pharmaceutical companies actually are not interested in a good outcome. Like it’s not actually important. Like you you you can look at people like that versus you can look at people like Bob Dugen, Scientologist, who actually funds I mean he has a drug company, right? He has a drug company and the purpose of that drug company is to cure disease. Yeah. And he’s actually he does cure disease like unccurable illnesses like real physical maladies of the body, not mental **** actual physiological physiological malfunction. He actually develops things that handles that. That’s what medicine is supposed to do, right? Is it’s like handle the the body. The mind is something else, right? If you just take electroshock and condense it into a pill, that’s not a handling for the body. You know, you’re actually condensing a terrible thing for the mind and putting it in a pill. Yep. And then giving it to somebody. Yeah. We could pro we’ll we’ll have a lot of episodes on that. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, the drug companies lobbyed and made it possible in the United States to actually push and promote on TV these illnesses that happened in 1978 which could change. Yeah, if that changes, we’re going to be on we’re going to be on the up and up like hardcore cuz that that is pro anyway people will miraculously start recovering. We should have we should have no joke they would actually people would start getting better. Yeah, if that was if that was ended. Y we should this is this is a good topic for one of our next episodes. Yeah, which I I really do want to talk about this because uh I have had uh some really crazy experiences on this and I’m sure you know many people and so we’ll we’ll we’ll table that because now I mean look you’ve gone over your story. Yeah. Uh part of it obviously there’s like so much more. Uh I’d love to read a book when you when you release one. Uh I’m working on writing a book myself. Yeah, dude. You have to look at look at all the best people. They all have a message and they put in a book. That’s right. because like podcast school, social media school, but like when you really sit down and get into in-depth ideas in the book is like the best format. So, that’s right. Uh I’d love to whenever you have a book, bro, I promise you I will read it. Okay, just letting you know. Thank you. And um dude, it’s been great like hearing your story. And if there’s if there’s any questions, guys, how would people find you to just ask questions like, “Hey, maybe I need help with this or I want I don’t know, help me with my construction business or help me with uh you know, I have this relationship I have that I’m not happy.” I don’t know. I don’t know what people were to talk about. Maybe no one’s gonna write to you, but how would they find you? Yeah, just find me on Instagram. So, if you just search Brad Bashion, I’m super easy to find. I think my handle is home love Brad right now because I’m all in boom on home love. Yeah. And then if you need any renovations, guys, this episode is sponsored by Brad Bashan uh Bashan Home Love Construction. Okay. In the Panelis County area. Thank you. So, awesome guys, that’s it. Bye. Nice shady, bro.