Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] I was in the Cold War. 

[00:00:01] Jim: We were locked and loaded to blow up a Russian submarine. 

[00:00:03] I’m a Christian. I was raised Christian. I believe in God, but I need something I can do to change my life. If you need, if you have extra money and you give it to your church, guess what? You’re helping not just yourself, you’re helping your whole community.

[00:00:16] My purpose in life, since I was a little kid, was to make people smile. Boy, you wanna change a person’s life? Notice ’em. You’re not just a body. The most important part of me, you can’t see. I’m a Scientology ordained minister. Mm-hmm. So I had to study every religion on earth so I could understand better how to work together to make life better.

[00:00:35] Part of the spirituality is appreciating other people’s cultures and beliefs. 

[00:00:39] Aaron: The media machine wants to do everything possible to tell you that the only thing there is is this. The only way you can improve is with a pill. 

[00:00:48] See, numbness is almost worse than pain. ’cause if something hurts you stop doing it.

[00:00:52] Yeah. If you’re numb. You don’t even get up. 

[00:00:56] Aaron: Did I have a extremely famous Scientologist? [00:01:00] No, it’s very true. Listen, in the Scientology world, you’re, you’re very known. Okay. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Jim Mathers. Okay. This man is at the top of the bridge, but he is a nuclear engineer. He’s a submarine officer. Okay.

[00:01:13] Aaron: Been in the Navy many years. He’s been in Scientology longer than I’ve been alive since 1989. It’s actually true. He’s a fully ordained Scientology minister. Okay. He actually, um, christened my son. 

[00:01:23] Yeah. 

[00:01:23] Aaron: Um, that was an amazing ceremony. Thank you. And just, I mean, he’s originally like of, of Scottish descent, but born in Michigan.

[00:01:31] Yeah. 

[00:01:31] Aaron: Has changed a lot of people’s lives through educating people in sales. He wrote several books, one of which I have read, which is amazing. Which is, um, bridging the, the Cold War Between the Salesman and something else. 

[00:01:42] Ending the Cold War between Salesman and Cousin. 

[00:01:44] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. A great book. Okay. Love that book.

[00:01:46] Aaron: Um, and I just have to say like this man, he’s also a father of two loving husband and a just a spiritual guy who. Makes things in this world seem different and much easier than they are. In fact, he’s a founder of The Millionaires [00:02:00] Club, which was the beginning of my trip to become a millionaire. So thank you for that and welcome to the show.

[00:02:04] Aaron: Wow, 

[00:02:05] man. Thank you very much. I, you know, I really feel like I, I just keep, stay in my own lane and just, just try to help people and I don’t really worry about much, you know, I just wanna, I want a happy life and I want my friends to have happy lives. And it’s, it’s really about how much can you help? And that’s what I think about every day.

[00:02:23] Aaron: Amazing. 

[00:02:24] Brad: That’s beautiful. 

[00:02:25] Aaron: So good. 

[00:02:26] Brad: Okay. Where the, where the hell, where the hell do we start with this guy? This pause this. We did. 

[00:02:30] Aaron: I wanted, here’s what I wanna know, word 

[00:02:31] Brad: polymath. 

[00:02:32] Aaron: One, one story that I feel like we have to take, and I actually don’t know your story, but Okay. In, in, in s if you’re in Scientology, right?

[00:02:40] Aaron: Like, if you’re not a Scientology, that’s totally fine. I’m just saying like, first Scientologists, I’m always curious of like how people found Scientology. Especially, I mean, this is before I was born, like 1999. Like, it’s a great story. Yeah. I wanted, how did you get involved in Scientology? 

[00:02:53] All right. So, so I did, um, in my submarine, we drove it through the Panama Canal.

[00:02:59] Yep. [00:03:00] We went up to Bremerton, Washington, and then I was in Washington State. And so my chiropractor there, great guy, well, in from May of 86 to May of 88, I was there and he was my buddy. And it was like, he and I were like, instantly, like, you’re just like me, man. You’re like excited and happy and you know, but you’re my car buddy.

[00:03:18] He fixed my back. It was great. And then I leave, I get outta the Navy and my ex-wife, I was married right, right outta the Naval Academy. My ex-wife hated being in Seattle, so she was mostly back in Virginia. So I get outta the Navy, go back to Virginia soon, get divorced, you know, start a divorce proceedings and stuff.

[00:03:40] And then I was like, you know, I need something. I’m looking for something. And, and David and my, and David Steadman, the chiropractor was always like. Let’s do this success thing. And he would do these seminars. I’m go, now you’re awesome, but like, there’s no tech. Mm-hmm. I, I listened to Tony Robbins, I listened to all these guys.

[00:03:57] In fact, to stay sane on the submarine, I, all I [00:04:00] did was read motivational books. The other officer’s like, what are you doing? You’re the happiest guy in the submarine. And I go, duh. I said, at least I’m trying. Right. You know, I’m trying. ’cause this is a dismal place to be inside a tube for 90 days at a time.

[00:04:14] Wow. So here I am, I’m out. And I was working for the US government building submarines then as an engineer. And so I got sent to Seattle and I said, David, I’m coming to Seattle. He says, let’s have dinner. And we’re, so we’re sitting at dinner and he goes, Jim, I found it. I found no, he, this is real life. This is how he is.

[00:04:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I found it. I said, you found what? I found what we’re looking for. I go, what is it? He goes, dietetics. I go, what is it? He goes, I’m not telling you. I go, what? What do you mean you’re not telling me? You just told me you he, you have to read this book for yourself. I go, where do I get it? He goes in the bookstore.

[00:04:55] I left the dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don’t remember anything about him. After that, I went [00:05:00] and I went to the bookstore and sure enough it was like right there in front of the store. You walk in, there’re dianetics. I go, okay, it’s, that’s a big book. I’m a nuclear engineer. It’s fine. I read the book cover to cover.

[00:05:10] I didn’t sleep for a day and a half. I literally read all night long and after I was done with the book, I said, David, this is so cool. I have to go clear. I have to get rid of this crap that’s ruining my life. He goes, good. I go, where do I go? He goes, I don’t know. I go, you, you use to this. He don’t answer any questions.

[00:05:30] He goes, dude, look in the back of the book now. At the time I was living in Arlington, Virginia. I opened a book up there, right there, literally less than five minutes from my house. 

[00:05:41] Jim: Wow. 

[00:05:41] Is the Church of Scientology in Washington DC Oh my god. In, in, in dc. So I had to go across the bridge, but mm-hmm. I mean, literally a five minute drive with no traffic.

[00:05:49] Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. I found it. And that’s how I walked into the org and said, I need to go clear. You’re like, what? You, who are you? [00:06:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re an unusual dude. I said, well, I know I have a good friend. He’s, he’s been, he’s been getting this auditing stuff for like a year and didn’t even tell me.

[00:06:09] So first of all, you know, I tell my Scientology friends, I said, just be bold. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I’m a Scientologist. I tell everybody, I go around the world, I speak, I, I meet people in trains. I, I say, what do you do? I, I’m a Scientologist. They go, really? What, what is that? They go, and then I have a little, you know, three minute spiel and I said, well, go read a book.

[00:06:27] Go read edX or read Newlan in life and you’ll have your own realization. But I don’t take a chance anymore. By not telling someone you’re a Scientologist. See, if he had told me a year before, I’d already been on it. 

[00:06:41] Brad: Right. You know what’s funny about that? I’ve heard Grant Cardone say a very similar thing where he was like looking for it.

[00:06:47] Brad: He knew he wanted it. He had read Dianetics many years before and then he’s looking for it. And then he’s in the car with somebody after he’s been kind of like wanting to go do auditing, get rid of his React Mind for like three years. And the guy says, [00:07:00] he says like indicates or something like that in the conversation.

[00:07:02] Brad: And Grant goes to him and he goes, are you a Scientologist? And the guy, he says, grant says the guy gets all red. And he is like, yeah. He’s like scared. ’cause grant’s his boss and he’s like, get me an auditor. I want to go clear. Same. Same deal. It’s true though. But you’re right. It’s true. You’re right. Yeah.

[00:07:19] Look, there is a lot of there. This, this world, there’s a lot of pain and confusion and upset and war. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of bad stuff going on. Mm. And yet, and, and, and it was true 40 years ago too. I mean, you guys aren’t, you weren’t born yet, but it, it was just as messed up 40 years ago as it is today.

[00:07:40] Don’t think it’s more, it’s just messed up. Yeah. I was in the Cold War. We, we were loaded, locked, and loaded to blow up a Russian submarine if, if they, if they gave us the wrong indication. Yeah. And, and I was like, oh, I’m praying. Don’t, don’t, don’t do anything stupid. ’cause I don’t really wanna fire a torpedo a mm-hmm.

[00:07:58] They never knew we were there. Wow. [00:08:00] And all of a sudden, all I know is I, I, I’m a Christian, I was raised Christian, I believe in God. You know, it’s like this, this is all good stuff, but I need something I can do mm-hmm. To change my life. Mm-hmm. Because when I read tics, I said, yeah, I’m reading everything.

[00:08:18] Yep. That’s, that’s wrong. I gotta get rid of that. That get, that’s, that’s me. Yep. Definitely do that. Okay. Okay, great. I read the book now. Can you please help me? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And when I showed up at the thing, I was like, I need to, well do a course. I go, no, no, no, no, no. I need the auditing stuff. I have everything in the book.

[00:08:37] Just take one thing off. I don’t know how you’re to do this. And then they finally 

[00:08:41] Aaron: said, you have all, you have all the, the, the, the, the, the wrong, the bad thing. The, the aberration. I all the a, the issues. You describe it, you learn about it, and you’re like, this is me. 

[00:08:49] Yeah. So do something about it. Yeah. So, so I, I, I get this interview and the guy goes, okay.

[00:08:54] I said, great, thank you. I did the, the personality analysis, you know, and then they could tell you how, how bad you are. I already know, [00:09:00] can you please tell me how I go clear now? And he goes, you need life repair. I said, is it auditing? I said, yeah. He said, let’s do it. I was in session. So, and I’ll tell you from that moment, that’s so many years ago, you know, I like, wow.

[00:09:15] 36 years ago, right? And, but at that moment, I still remember when I had my first session. And the auditor asked me questions and he, you know, he didn’t tell me what to do. He didn’t tell me what to think. He just listened. And then he would just acknowledge me, and then he, and all of a sudden I go, I just realized, mm-hmm this has been bothering me since so long ago, and da, da da.

[00:09:37] And he’d go, okay, good. Now how you feeling right now? I go, I feel fantastic. What did you do? I mean, you know, auditing is just, you know, to audit it means to listen, you know? Yes. Mm-hmm. And so he’s a good listener, but he asked the right question because the question is so genius that it takes you down to your own path, because everybody has a different answer.

[00:09:56] Mm-hmm. But we all feel just as good coming outta session. Mm-hmm. Yeah. [00:10:00] See, so that’s, I mean, for me, that’s how we make the world a better place, one person at a time. Mm-hmm. And, and, and then I help, I try to help one person at a time. In fact, my motto is, my goal every day, if I help one person today, I’ve had a great day.

[00:10:15] Then I help more. Yeah. I mean, try to help more than one, but yeah, I give myself a low enough threshold that I, you 

[00:10:20] Aaron: pick a win every day. Me today. 

[00:10:23] Oh, good. Thank you. So it’s a great day. Awesome, awesome, man. I’m be happy to hear that. That’s really good. 

[00:10:27] Aaron: Anyway. That’s so good. So, and wow, so you got, you got right into it.

[00:10:30] Aaron: I mean, that was, that’s an amazing, I mean, you grabbed it, you grabbed it, and you’re like, I’m, I’m in this thing. 

[00:10:35] But most people I’ve talked to, they did too. 

[00:10:37] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:10:38] It’s just that no one said, no one brought it up. 

[00:10:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:41] I mean, I have, I have friends that go, yeah, I, I was looking for something for years and no one, and someone finally said, you know, I’ve known you for like five years.

[00:10:48] I think you should look at this book. Like five years. You waited five years. Quit waiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don’t wait. Yeah. I mean, people are looking for a true solution that you can actually apply to your life and that you [00:11:00] actually get a result, you can see. Mm-hmm. I’m an engineer, dude. Mm-hmm. If you build a submarine and it sinks, you’re a bad engineer.

[00:11:05] Aaron: Yes. 

[00:11:06] If you build a submarine and it does what it’s supposed to do, you’re a good engineer. You build a bridge, does it crash? Like we did here, like we’ve had some bad engineers. Remember the bridge to Clearwater crash in the middle of the night? 

[00:11:16] Aaron: In Miami? In Miami. The one crash and there was a bunch of like 

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:19] 60 

[00:11:20] Aaron: people dead. It was actually a, yeah. Bad 

[00:11:22] engineer. Bad engineer. Good engineers make bridges that hold people in cars and trucks up. 

[00:11:26] Aaron: Yep, yep. 

[00:11:26] So a technology of the mind and the spirit should give you a result that is just as solid as this table. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Even though it is spiritually mental, I know I’ve been helped.

[00:11:39] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then I turn around and I help a lot of people and I still have people come up and say, oh my God, that day you met me and you said this. I go, really? I’m like, wow. She’d go, yeah. And I go, I’m so happy. Yeah. Because you know the happiest thing you can be happiest you can be is when you help another.

[00:11:55] Yes. I swear to God, if you help somebody do it and they, and they what, whatever it is, [00:12:00] I walk away going, oh man, I have a good life. 

[00:12:02] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:12:03] I do. I have a, I have a great life. 

[00:12:05] Brad: Yeah. Okay. I have a question. Speaking of results, you guys mentioned the millionaires club. Yes. What’s, what is it? You started it, you’re a member of it.

[00:12:13] Brad: What’s, what’s the deal? 

[00:12:14] So, so the deal was here I was, I, I quit engineering to become a door to door salesman because a friend of mine, my auditor, that my auditor said, 

[00:12:25] Brad: you know, I have always had a dream of doing door-to-door sales. 

[00:12:28] It’s wild and crazy, but I’ll tell you what, it’s a funny story. 

[00:12:31] Brad: Mm-hmm.

[00:12:32] ’cause my friend was my auditor and, and I said, I need to make more money, you know? And I said, ’cause this government job is like stuck. I mean, the raises come slow and small. Mm-hmm. And, and I can’t do this for many years. And he goes, well just come door to door sales. I go, no, no, no, no. I, I, no, no, no, no.

[00:12:48] Salesmen are bad people because when I was eight years old, I had to go to summer camp and we had to sell this stuff, these little tools and trinkets and stuff. And ICE was selling at my neighborhood. And then I found [00:13:00] out after I sold $400 worth and I got my trip paid for that. The stuff was so crappy it didn’t even work.

[00:13:05] A screwdriver broken with one twist flashlights that don’t work anyone. Salesmen are people that lie to other people to get rid of stuff and get money. 

[00:13:13] Brad: Wow. 

[00:13:14] So at eight years old, I made this decision. Wow. So from eight until like, uh, however, how old I was, 30 something. I thought salesmen were the scourge of earth.

[00:13:23] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:13:24] And so I didn’t, and he goes, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not gonna be a salesman, but this guy helped me so much. I’m going, okay, man. He goes, Jim, just try it one day. Mm-hmm. And I had done some communication courses and so I was pretty good communicator and I went, okay. And I showed up and, and everybody’s going, oh, you don’t make any sales in your first day.

[00:13:42] And Oh, this is really hard. And I, all the negatives I could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 15 people tell me how, why did you even show up? Dude, you’re gonna fail. 

[00:13:49] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:13:49] And so then the guy who was leading the crew, get rid of everybody, he takes me out to train me and he goes up to the door, he talks, he’s really nice, and we were offering something that everybody needs.

[00:13:58] It was like car repair or [00:14:00] something, you know? And I’m like. Dude, this is, you’re for 20 bucks. I get all this, including three free oil changes, which is like 60 bucks. Why would I not buy the card? I would, I need this card. He would go, just watch me sell. And so he explains the card, 

[00:14:14] Jim: which is no brainer. Yeah.

[00:14:15] He takes money four doors in a row and I go, gimme the cards. He goes, no, you need to see a rebuttal. I go, what’s a rebuttal? He goes, well, that’s when they argue with you. I go, okay. So the next guy we go to is a complete asshole. 

[00:14:28] Jim: Yeah. 

[00:14:28] And he’s an old man. He goes, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. And, and this guy’s trying to handle him.

[00:14:32] And I’m like, why are you trying to handle him? He obviously doesn’t need or want it. Just leave him alone. Yeah. Yeah. So we walk away. I said, so that’s what you wanted me to see? Some people are. He goes, well, yeah. Basically gimme the cards. And I rip them out of his hand. I knock on a door. There’s an old car in the driveway.

[00:14:48] So I go, they need the car, they need the, they need the service. A 15-year-old answers it. Yeah. And first I’m going, I, I almost said, where’s your mom and dad? Mm-hmm. But then I remembered what I learned on a [00:15:00] submarine reading a sales book. Never judge a customer pitch everybody. Mm-hmm. I learned that on a submarine as a nuclear engineer.

[00:15:08] Wow. I’m not, I’m not kidding. So I said, Hey, let me show you something. And I said, for 20 bucks you get this and this and this and this. And he goes, oh, that’s my new car in the driveway. It was 25 years old. But it’s his, it’s new to him. Yeah, 

[00:15:23] Jim: yeah, yeah, yeah, 

[00:15:24] yeah. He goes, do you take cash? I said, yeah. He runs away.

[00:15:28] Comes back with 40 bucks for two of me. ’cause my best friend has a new car too. Oh. Now the 

[00:15:33] Jim: trainer, the guy who’s trained, he goes, no one. No one. No one’s ever done that. No one’s ever, 

[00:15:41] no one’s ever made a sale on their first door, let alone a double. So the double was the cream to a 15-year-old to anybody.

[00:15:49] So I said, gimme the rest of the cards. Um, gimme the map. Get outta my, you know, just get outta my way. Where do I meet you in three hours? And I made, I made, I was at the time making about 25 [00:16:00] bucks an hour as a nuclear engineer. Professionally licensed. Mm-hmm. Wow. Or for the US government, I made 50 bucks an hour.

[00:16:07] I go, I just doubled my pay and I just started. Wow. So that’s how, and then I realized, I said, wait a minute. A true salesman is someone who fills a need for a customer with something they really want need, and it’s fair. At a fair, at a fair price. 

[00:16:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:16:24] I said, oh, I can sell that. I mean that, if that’s what the definition of sales is, that’s me.

[00:16:28] I’m, I’m all over that. 

[00:16:29] Brad: Wow. 

[00:16:30] So that’s how I became a salesman. 

[00:16:31] Brad: Wow. 

[00:16:32] And then how I became a millionaire was, ’cause after a while, you’re being a salesman and you make good money. But I was like, ah, you know, um, my wife just got pregnant. What am I gonna do? I, I, I need to change my life. And, you know, so I I, I was doing a Scientology course at the time, and I was like, and I was like, that’s it.

[00:16:49] I just had to have my own business and be a millionaire. I’m a blue collar kid from Michigan. Dude. I millionaire. Those are people on tv. 

[00:16:57] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:16:57] I never saw a millionaire. Never met a millionaire. 

[00:16:59] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:16:59] I [00:17:00] was like, I could be a millionaire. I just have to decide. 

[00:17:04] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:04] So I decided, and it took, and I said, you know, I’m gonna give myself two years for this to happen.

[00:17:09] Mm-hmm. And exactly two years later I made my first million dollars in profit. Wow. Wow. And then I, then I, I realized, I said, okay, can’t keep it a secret to myself. I mean, if I’m just a poor boy from Michigan and I can do it, anybody can do this. I just gotta teach ’em how to do it. I, exactly. All the steps I took and everything.

[00:17:28] And so I started the Millionaires Club because I wanted to help people like Aaron. When I met, I dunno, 10 years ago, he said, it’s Aaron, you gotta be a millionaire. Mm. Later 

[00:17:38] Aaron: that part I can, that part I can tell. 

[00:17:40] Yeah. You gotta tell that story. That’s a great, 

[00:17:43] Aaron: we were, this is probably. About maybe a little bit more than 10 years ago.

[00:17:50] Aaron: I forget what it was Like 11? Yeah. 11 years ago. Something like that. So Luna is, I think, not even born yet, or maybe she was just born, something like that. And we went to, probably Whitney was pregnant. I think Whitney [00:18:00] was pregnant. So we went to, uh, the religious surgery called the free ones. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[00:18:03] Aaron: Okay. So the free ones is a, is a, is a, is a cruise ship, which is an amazing place. And that’s where actually the, the, the upper levels of the bridge, OT eight is delivered there. Yeah. Right. The only place you can have, you can do that on the planet. So we were there for a convention. It was like, there’s a lot of convention on, there 

[00:18:17] was, it was called the Entrepreneurs Convention.

[00:18:19] Aaron: Maybe it was the Entrepreneur’s Convention. That could have been what it was. Right. And, uh, so we went there. Mm-hmm. And, uh, you know, I, I was a computer programmer, right. So I’m like, I’m making pretty good money. It already like, made a big step. I’d al I mean, I’ve, I’m, I’d been a Scientologist right at that time, probably for like 10 years.

[00:18:35] Aaron: Yeah. And so I’m like, Hey, I think I’m doing pretty good. I’m making six figures like this, whatnot. I have this baby coming and then we’re in this room and it was however many dozens of people. Uh, Jim goes, all right, everybody, we have this millionaires club. Okay. Like, all it takes is you decide to be a millionaire [00:19:00] and then you can be a millionaire.

[00:19:02] Aaron: Who here wants to be a millionaire? And I was like, oh, what, what do you mean? Okay. I was like, I’d never, until that moment, I’d never thought once in my life I would be a millionaire. 

[00:19:13] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:19:13] Aaron: Like, up until that moment, I, it wasn’t part of my goals. It wasn’t part of my plans, it wasn’t part of my thinking. It was just, that’s like you said, something on tv, some, some, someone else, right?

[00:19:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. But I thought I said, I mean, why not? 

[00:19:25] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:19:27] Aaron: why not? Okay, 

[00:19:29] Brad: amazing. 

[00:19:30] Aaron: So, and then a few people raised their hands, like, go, I’m not gonna be left out. Like, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do it, I’ll, I’ll be a millionaire. Like, let’s go Whitney, what do you think? She’s like, sure. I was like, okay, let’s do it. Become millionaires.

[00:19:38] Brad: Whitney, what do you think? Sure. 

[00:19:40] Aaron: And and that was the first time that I ever actually considered or conceived that I, billion being a billionaire could be possible. And that I should go for it. I mean, look, whatever you’re doing, if you have a million dollars or 10 or whatever, could you do it better?

[00:19:54] Aaron: Probably, yeah. No matter what in this world, if you have money, it’s probably gonna be a little bit easier. 

[00:19:57] Jim: Yeah. 

[00:19:58] Aaron: So I, let’s go. So [00:20:00] anyway, that was, that was actually the first time I ever met you, I believe. Yeah. It was that day. ’cause he, ’cause he as a volunteer talking about, uh, he, he goes and, and helps people.

[00:20:07] Aaron: He went there. You don’t get paid to go there? 

[00:20:08] No, 

[00:20:09] Aaron: he goes to the free ones. He spends his time there and he talks to these people who are doing a convention for free. He just, he just like, I want you to be a millionaire. So I’m here. Here you go. You wanna be a millionaire. I was like, I 

[00:20:19] didn’t make a dollar off you.

[00:20:20] Aaron: Yeah, exactly. 

[00:20:21] But I was happy as hell. ’cause what happened? What? Tell, tell me how you So, so in that 

[00:20:25] Aaron: moment, I, I, I, I am like, well, we gotta, okay. So, um, I think at that moment, either, I’m not sure if we’d bought it already, maybe it was starting, but this whole Amazon thing. 

[00:20:36] Yeah. Mm. 

[00:20:37] Aaron: Um, again, time I gotta figure it out.

[00:20:39] Aaron: But like I just said, look, I, my actual entrepreneur when I came onto the ship was to basically make a school, to teach people to become programmers. Because I was a programmer, I was making money, and I’m like, this is cool. If I do a school, I teach people. ’cause that’s, you know, somebody sold me like the course on how to become a programmer.

[00:20:57] Aaron: I did it and it worked and it was great. So I’m like, [00:21:00] I’m gonna do that. But that was like, it was just a little bit harder. Yeah. Like, you have to have a physical location. You have, and I go like this, this might take a little long. 

[00:21:07] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:08] Aaron: And I go, but I have this Amazon thing. 

[00:21:09] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:10] Aaron: Why don’t I just, why don’t I just lean into that?

[00:21:12] Brad: Mm. 

[00:21:12] Aaron: And so, um. I don’t know if I was the indecisive at that one. Again, it was like 12 years ago now, right? Or whatever it was. So, um, I don’t know. I just started selling. I just like it. Amazon’s gonna be the thing. And I started working on Amazon and working on, and so in the convention, all the different things that we read and the articles and this, and the lecture and whatever it was, and I’m like, okay, how do I do this?

[00:21:30] Aaron: How do I use this information in my Amazon thing? How do I use this in my Amazon thing? Okay, here we go. And I worked on it and it was, I, I wanna say a year and a half later we did about a million and a half in sales. Wow. And then probably, you know, three or four years later, I don’t know, whatever it was 

[00:21:47] you called me, he said, Jim, I go, it’s Aaron.

[00:21:51] I go Aaron, Aaron who? 

[00:21:54] Aaron: Yeah, 

[00:21:55] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They said Cordova. I said, oh, how are you man? He goes. I’m [00:22:00] in, I’m in your club. I go, what club? He goes, the Millionaires Club. I go, what do you mean? He goes, we just made a million dollars of profit. 

[00:22:08] Brad: Wow. 

[00:22:09] And it was two years after I seen him. Years probably.

[00:22:11] Yeah. I hadn’t seen him. He’d been, he went under, he just went down and won. 

[00:22:14] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 

[00:22:15] incredible. I’ll tell you, it’s the, it’s the coolest thing, dude. 

[00:22:18] Aaron: It 

[00:22:18] Brad: was 

[00:22:18] Aaron: good. It was just for me that like, millionaires always, like, I remember people like, oh, you’re a millionaire now. I’m like, well, I only even sold $1 million from that.

[00:22:24] Aaron: You only keep like 200,000. 

[00:22:26] Jim: Yeah. 

[00:22:27] Aaron: I’m not a millionaire. So I like when like, you become a million, whatever. It’s a, it’s a route. When do you pinpoint it? Someone ask that question, they go, how do you A 

[00:22:34] Jim: million? I said, make a million dollars in profit, and you 

[00:22:36] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:22:36] That’s, that’s the easiest way to say you’re a millionaire.

[00:22:38] Yeah, yeah. You did that. Exactly. Try to do it again and again, and then raise it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:42] Aaron: So, anyway, and, and what’s interesting is in that story, you know, it’s not one, it wasn’t, it, it, it was the opposite of, let’s say, I don’t know, greed. Like the money, it’s just more, it’s actually just light. Just like, dude, why not?

[00:22:57] Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:57] Aaron: You are, everybody already works. [00:23:00] Almost every single person in this world like works for money. Yeah. You’re already doing the activity, so it’s not like you’re leaving something to go do it. Like you’re already working for money. Mm-hmm. And if someone says like they don’t want money, it’s like they have to be lying to themselves because everybody works for money.

[00:23:12] Aaron: That’s right. Because that’s how you pay your bills, that’s how you buy your food. That’s how you do everything. So if you’re already working for money, why not be a little more efficient and a little more effective and make some more. 

[00:23:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:23] It’s 

[00:23:23] Aaron: true. And so it’s actually a mindset shift of just be better at what you’re doing.

[00:23:27] It is. It’s just a 

[00:23:28] Aaron: mindset. I mean it was crazy. So it’s just a decision. It’s actually the spiritual level. Yeah. So this is at church and so it’s of course, it’s like some people think like church all money. It is like confused, but it’s like, listen, if you are spiritually doing very well, yeah. You reach more people.

[00:23:39] Aaron: If you’re reaching more people effectively, you probably will get paid for it. 

[00:23:42] Yep. Well, you know, it’s funny, I’ll give you the link for it, but we just finished the crack in the millionaires code. Step one, the book because Yep. The book. The book Cracking the Millionaires Code. I’ll give you the link for it because it’s really the story of how we do this first step.

[00:23:56] I mean, there are nine other steps. Mm-hmm. Because there was a lot of work and there, and also on [00:24:00] those, you may not remember, but what I was teaching and that week was all of the different Scientology administrative tools. Mm-hmm. That I used to become a millionaire. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because it’s like, again, it’s building a bridge.

[00:24:14] There is an exact technology on how to bring a group together, make ’em productive, make ’em happy, and make everybody produce enough to where you have the, the leftovers to where you have enough money left over so you can take care of your family. And then, then I just use that money to travel around the world, to tell people to be millionaires because then you can donate to your church.

[00:24:36] I don’t care what church you go to. 

[00:24:38] Aaron: All churches need help. 

[00:24:39] Yeah. If you need, if you have extra money and you give it to your church, guess what? You’re helping not just yourself, you’re helping your whole community. 

[00:24:45] Brad: If more of the planet’s money went to a church, the church, the world would be a better place.

[00:24:48] Brad: Uh, inarguably. 

[00:24:49] Aaron: I agree. A 

[00:24:51] Brad: thousand percent. Yeah. Okay. So, ’cause I’m just curious, at this point, you said there’s nine steps. What’s, can you give us just like a, a preview? 

[00:24:59] Well, the, the [00:25:00] first step is like, 

[00:25:00] Brad: I just want, I just want a little, 

[00:25:01] a little, the first step is, is the decision step, but I’ll tell you No, because that’s gonna be inside.

[00:25:05] The only, only people inside the millionaires club will get the other nine steps. 

[00:25:08] Brad: Okay, fine. The first step you give for free, just give us the sampler. 

[00:25:11] But it’s basically, it’s, it’s, it’s like the whole decision process. It’s kind of like what I realized and what I found talking to people is they’re, they’re stuck.

[00:25:19] They’re, I don’t, should I go right or left or should I go forward? Or do I go back to, do I stay with her or stay with him or do I, and it, it’s like there’s so many non decisions made you see people. The biggest problem in life is not just deciding and going down a path. And then here’s the thing. We, we call it a, a decision spiral because it’s kind of like you don’t just make a decision and that’s the rest of your life.

[00:25:42] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You make a decision and then you work on it and you keep doing it. Go, okay. Ooh, things have changed. The environment changes, the, the laws changed. This changed. Oh, you gotta stop and reevaluate everything and make a new decision. Yeah. And alter the course a little bit. Yeah. And I’ll be honest, here’s the funny, this is a funny story.

[00:25:58] I decided I was gonna be a [00:26:00] millionaire. I was gonna make a million dollars a year. Guess what I did for like 10, 12 years? I made a million dollars a year. Not a penny. More man. Oh my God. The average, I average a million dollars a year for what? 15 years. Wow. And one day I was going, you know, you in this, you, you have to grow.

[00:26:16] That’s funny. You know, you have to grow. That’s actually hilarious because I’ll tell you what, it sucks. You get used to this life and all of a sudden if you make one mistake and you’re, you’re, you know, you’ve borrowed money to give this or you buy a new house. You can go down really rapidly. Mm-hmm. And so I had, I had this peak where I was, was kind of crashing down.

[00:26:34] I was going, oh. I said, oh my God, my original decision. I never made another decision. Like in this area. It’s like, oh. So now, now my, my, my goals are much higher. Beautiful. You know, and I wanna reach more people and make more, it’s like the money is just the, what I use to, to create the life I want, which is for me, take care of my family.

[00:26:55] I, I, I, I’ve been in the same house for 21 years, just ’cause I had extra money. I didn’t go buy a new house. Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:59] Brad: Yeah. [00:27:00] 

[00:27:00] I just keep adding it onto the house I had. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Building it, new decisions. Yeah. 

[00:27:04] Brad: Yeah, exactly. So, I, I have a question on, so it seems, Jim, you’re obviously a very intellectual guy.

[00:27:10] Brad: You’re, you’re a smart individual, right? Uh, we didn’t get into this, but I, my degree, so before, before we got on camera, he’s a Naval Academy grad. I graduated from West Point, that’s point baby arm, army, Navy Games this weekend. 

[00:27:23] Go Navy. 

[00:27:24] Brad: Beat beat Navy. Is that what he meant to say? Uh, but anyways, so what I experienced when I, I also had the experience of like, I was looking for something for, for a long period of time.

[00:27:35] Brad: Mm-hmm. Like probably about like five or six years. Right. And I read a lot of the same stuff like that. Tony Robbins, blah, blah, blah, you know, all the other stuff where it’s like, it doesn’t, for me anyways, it didn’t really actually get the result I was looking for ever. Um, but I was a very intellectual guy.

[00:27:55] Brad: And whenever I got into the spiritual stuff, it, it, I kind of actually felt a little [00:28:00] bit like backed off from it. ’cause I’m like, well, I have to be an intellectual person. Like, that’s my mockup. I’m like a physics guy. I’m like, engineering is my jam. I’m good at math. Like, that’s me. The spiritual stuff is for like the literature folk, you know, the people who are like smoking weed, right.

[00:28:15] Brad: Like, you know. So how, how did you find, how did that like bridge because you’re, you’re still very intellectual. Extremely, but you’re also highly spiritual. How did 

[00:28:28] I think that’s a result of my grandma and my mom. 

[00:28:30] Brad: Oh really? 

[00:28:31] Yeah, because you know, it’s interesting, I lost my dad early. I was like 15 when my dad passed away.

[00:28:37] And, and so my mom and my grandma were like the strength in my life. My mom was a great salesperson by the way. You know, she was really funny. ’cause I’m going, Hmm, I love you mom, but sales, you know, but she was good at it because she solved people’s needs. But we. We’re big into praying and you know, and it was kind of like, it’s, it’s bigger than you.

[00:28:58] So like, you know, [00:29:00] spirituality in God is, it’s, it’s not just, I got, how do I survive? Mm-hmm. It really is how do we survive? Mm. And, and if, and so I was kind of into that, more of that realm, but so intellectual. Yeah. Me, you know, papers, I, great test taker, man. I could, wham, I’m done with the test. I, so I, I would grasp things intellectually, but I was always wondering about this.

[00:29:24] ’cause spiritually it’s like, even again, you know, I, I had a lot of questions after church, you know, I was like, mm-hmm Okay. But you know, there’s more, there’s gotta be more, there’s gotta be something else that I can intellectually understand spiritually. And, and I’ll tell you, when I got in Scientology, I was like, okay, I found my place.

[00:29:42] ’cause now I can understand this intellectually and apply it. To my life and how, and how do I apply it? I, I make other people a little bit happier. 

[00:29:53] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:29:53] I mean, that’s my goal. I mean, my purpose in life, which I, since I was a little kid, was to make people smile. Mm-hmm. Make people a [00:30:00] little bit happier, make, make life a little bit better around me.

[00:30:02] So that’s an easy purpose, I think. I think it’s been easy for me to, to live that purpose. And it’s funny, when you’re on your purpose, you’re happy. So if I make someone happy, I’m happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, then you gotta pay bills. And so the, the, the work part of life, you gotta pay bills and you gotta, you know, you gotta have a nice, you gotta have a house and a car that works.

[00:30:21] And so you gotta have money. So I never really thought about much money until I decided I need extra, I gotta be a millionaire so I can handle all the things I really wanna do. And I want to help my church, and I want to help my friends. And, and so for the spirituality piece of it, it’s kind of like, it’s just recognizing that you’re not just a body.

[00:30:39] Mm-hmm. This is not all of me. Yeah. The most important part of me, you can’t see. But you can feel it. I mean, you know. Mm-hmm. It, and here’s the great example. I had a hundred employees when I first started the company, I had a hundred employees all cranking on the phones. It was a call center, just like in the movies and stuff.

[00:30:59] And, and I [00:31:00] walked in one day and normally I would walk in touch people, Hey, you’re doing good. Hey, get another deal. And I would, I would kind of see and communicate with everybody in the room. And then one day I was chewing on a problem that someone gave me before I came into my office. And I was like, so I walked through a hundred people.

[00:31:16] I didn’t look right or left. I didn’t acknowledge anybody. I didn’t touch anybody. I didn’t say hi to anybody. And then I walked in and I closed the door to my office where I had a one-way mirror. I could see how they couldn’t see it, right? 

[00:31:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:31:27] So it’s this big window. It’s a great window, by the way. And all of a sudden, I mean, within about two minutes, my manager comes crashing through the door.

[00:31:37] What’s wrong? What’s wrong? Are we going outta business? And I was like. What? Well, you, you came through the whole office is upset now, and I look out and they’re not dialing. Okay. It was the first, first thing. If you’re not dialing, they’re upset. Yeah. So a hundred people stopped dialing. It’s, I’m a morgue.

[00:31:58] Yeah. And I look out, I went, [00:32:00] I said, no, bro. I was just, I was worried about another problem. It has nothing to do with work. Yeah. And he goes, we better do something. So I walked back out and then I just, Hey man, how’s it going? And I look at people now, just by me giving you a good emotional feeling, it’s hard.

[00:32:17] Even hard to describe this, right? Yeah. It’s like, I’m not, I look at you and I see you. Mm-hmm. And you know that I see you and I smile. Okay, that’s it. That is spiritual. That is not the body. Mm-hmm. And so I went through and revived a hundred people. I walked down and back through everybody and I said, okay guys, I just gotta work on another problem.

[00:32:36] Different, different problem. And I went in my office and everything was fine. Copacetic had a great day. Mm-hmm. That to me, to me that that’s an example of, of the spirit of, of you spiritually seeing there’s a problem. And I didn’t go and say, let me give you a speech about how I don’t really have a problem with the business.

[00:32:53] Oh. I just went up and said, hi, Hey. You know? Yeah. Listen, what are you working on when you get to the next one? Where’s your next deal? Like little things like [00:33:00] they, because people don’t always feel important ’cause they’re not noticed. Yeah. Boy, you wanna change a person’s life? Notice ’em. Mm. What are you working on?

[00:33:09] Like, what are you doing tomorrow? Yeah. Why? ’cause I care to know I’m gonna do this and this. Really? Oh my god, that’s awesome. Okay, good. 

[00:33:20] Brad: So yeah. That’s my answer. I feel like you’d be a great person to work for. Just, just for the record. I feel like Jim would be a great boss. That’s just my feeling, you know?

[00:33:29] Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I, I, disc disclaimer, he might be a terrible 

[00:33:32] Brad: boss. No, I’m just messing you. I’m just messing. 

[00:33:36] Aaron: I, I, I wanna know, like I’ve, I’ve heard, you know, there’s so many stories spiritually. ’cause I, I, I guess, you know, when I, when I met you, like of course we talked about the whole Millionaire Club, but as kind of a reputation I think you have of, of being one of the more or most like really spiritual people, that’s just from really Yes, absolutely.

[00:33:56] Aaron: That’s, that’s, that’s what I have gone. 

[00:33:59] Brad: I mean, I, I can see [00:34:00] that just in the short conversation we had, that we had on 

[00:34:01] Aaron: the way here. Yeah. You 

[00:34:02] Brad: guys 

[00:34:02] Aaron: just 

[00:34:03] Brad: met 

[00:34:03] Aaron: into the studio. Yeah. 

[00:34:04] Brad: Yeah. Correct. Yeah. 

[00:34:04] Aaron: So 

[00:34:05] Brad: he’s like talking about spirits and stuff and I’m like, I believe every word you just saying right now, I’m like, why do I believe this?

[00:34:12] Brad: But it’s, anyways, sorry. 

[00:34:13] Aaron: So, so I wanna like. Is there a story, right? Like, I know you’ve been down like to various places in Africa, met with a lot of, uh, different, uh, chief leaders and, and, and exactly. Like, I just wanna go into some of these and I just wanna go into like what you’ve experienced because this world is, we’re so materialistic and I wanna touch upon like these things that you’ve seen.

[00:34:32] Okay. So in, in the church we have this course called the Volunteer Ministers course. Mm-hmm. And it’s got a bunch of little courses, really just like each one is a gem because it’s how to like one’s, how to handle pr. Mm-hmm. One’s how to handle children. One is how to, uh, you know, how to organize your, your life.

[00:34:49] Each of these little courses are pretty easy to do anyway. A friend of mine is, is a, is a five star Safari. Peter Hayward. Right. Peter Hayward’s, one of my [00:35:00] heroes. Great guy. He. He was friends with Nelson Mandela and he was friends with, you know, a lot of the kings. And so he called me up one day and he said, listen, can you bring Reverend El Freddie Johnson and your wife?

[00:35:11] Can you guys come down? We want to, to introduce the volunteer minister courses to the other 10 major kings of South Africa. And so, ’cause one king was already halfway through the courses, he goes and he could trace his lineage back tens of thousands of years. He goes, you know, there’s people who say they’re kings and they’re a lot of kings in Africa, but there is these, you know, Mandela’s family’s one of ’em.

[00:35:35] Prince Sundi is one of our friends. He since passed away, but we made friends at this meeting. So we said, okay, well come down. So now we’re in a safari tent. Each of the kings brought about five, six people with him. So the tent had about 50, 60 people in it. My wife and I are there, and Reverend Freddie’s there.

[00:35:52] And so Reverend Freddie kind of, he kicked it all off and, and one of the kings was. Really anti [00:36:00] Scientology. Mm. Let’s put it that way. I’m not gonna say what religion, but it’s just, and a religion that doesn’t believe any other religion should exist on earth, but including Scientology. So it wasn’t just Scientology deserved that.

[00:36:10] Mm-hmm. It was any religion. But, so he was kind of giving us a hard time at dinner the night before and I was like, okay, well I hope how this works out. So we’ll see. You know, so, so we go, uh, we go in there. So, but Reverend Freddie Johnson’s been my friend for 30 years. Black Baptist minister, one of the nicest people on earth is just total humanitarian.

[00:36:29] So he starts introducing the concepts of Scientology and Mr. Elron Hubbard and what he did in South Africa, specifically in helping with the Constitution. And oh, and Nelson Mandela loved the way it happened. His book, which was one of the books that’s just fundamental to society. And, um, he, he’s talking three hours nonstop.

[00:36:49] And everybody’s in the tent. There’s, there’s no wind blowing. There’s a flap behind the speaker, and there’s a fla behind me, and I’m at the back of the tent so I can kind of see everything, right? Mm-hmm. I’m like, I’m watching who’s [00:37:00] happy and who’s not happy. And yeah. And um, and then Freddy ends off and it’s quiet.

[00:37:07] And so Peter Haward goes, okay, listen, we want to give you guys a chance to respond. Does anybody wanna speak? Well, Nelson Mandela’s great grand if he says, I wanna speak. And he was the one who was kind of causing a little bit of problems, right? So he gets up and I go, oh, no. Now I’m sitting next to a guy who had to be security.

[00:37:23] ’cause I’m six foot tall. My head didn’t even get to his shoulders. 

[00:37:28] Jim: Wow. 

[00:37:29] So he is a big dude. Unti gets up and starts to speak. When he starts to speak, the wind starts to blow through the tent and then outta the back of the tent. And he, and, and he starts to talk and he goes, this is exactly what our people need.

[00:37:49] Mm. We need a technology that we can apply and to, to help because we get people without electricity and dah, dah, dah. And he’s going on and on and he, so he talks like 10 minutes. 10 minutes. A wind’s blowing through the tent. [00:38:00] He hits the podium and he ends, the wind stops. Mm-hmm. Instantly. I was reading a bunch of books about African religions, I mean native African religions, and I’m like, they really believe that the ancestors are there around them, giving them guidance when they need it.

[00:38:15] And if you look at Lion King, that’s exactly what they portray in Lion King. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I look at the guy next to me and I go, was that the ancestors coming through the tent the whole time? He was talking and the guy’s eyes get really wide. He goes, yes. How do you know? I said, well, I’m a Scientology minister.

[00:38:33] He goes, oh, because I could feel it wasn’t just a wind. There was something in that wind. Yeah, there was some, there was some awareness, some knowingness, some. Something. And we ended up having the most fantastic time with these kings. And, and they all started doing, I, I presented different courses, you know, how to learn better, how to study better with the, one of the kings goes, oh my God, no wonder I put down every book [00:39:00] I start to read.

[00:39:00] I don’t understand the words that are in it. And he had a British accent, you know, like he was trained in London in school and stuff. So these guys were the coolest people. And we have relationships with ’em still today. And that was many years ago. That was like 2011. And, um, something like that though, when you see it happen, you know, it’s not just you as a body.

[00:39:19] Mm-hmm. There is something more, there is, there is some awareness around us and, you know, a, a spirit can’t be seen or felt or touched, but you know, they can still have an impact on you because thought is the closest thing to a spirit. Mm-hmm. So what you think about your thoughts can change. You can, you can look at someone across the room and go, I really like that person.

[00:39:40] I gotta meet ’em. And the person looks over for some reason, they go. Hey, who are you? Or they come up to you or you think about, you know, think about you think about someone you love. I gotta talk to ’em. And your phone rings one second later. Mm. And it’s the person you just thought of. Tell me that is material.

[00:39:58] Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:59] It’s not [00:40:00] material. 

[00:40:00] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:01] That’s spiritual. 

[00:40:02] Brad: Yeah. Agreed. 

[00:40:04] Yeah. Did I answer your question? 

[00:40:05] Brad: Yeah. Can we get question? Can we get, can we get one more? 

[00:40:10] I just, I’m just like, yeah, yeah. 

[00:40:12] Brad: I could literally just like, go on this all day. 

[00:40:14] Well, 

[00:40:15] Brad: we, here’s the, here’s why. Here’s actually why, and thank you. That was freaking beautiful story.

[00:40:20] Brad: We should get like a little, uh, little thing where we can do like, applause in the studio, 

[00:40:24] but 

[00:40:25] Brad: wouldn’t that be great? Um, I, the reason I think it’s actually important to do that is like, there’s a lot of, you know, this, this podcast is about. Scientologists being able to communicate their truth. Mm-hmm.

[00:40:38] Brad: Right. And it’s, it’s really also for like the, the tagline in on the YouTube channel is like, you probably only heard half the story. This is us telling our side Wow. Of the story. Right? Yeah. So the thing that’s important though is like, there’s a lot of people on the, most of the people I’ve met on the planet who are not Scientologists are still very spiritual people.

[00:40:58] Yes. Oh, absolutely. 

[00:40:59] Brad: The number of [00:41:00] times I’ve heard somebody say I’m not religious, but I’m very spiritual, is like, that’s like eight outta 10 people, like my, my age. You know? So the, the reason I think it’s actually important to, to talk about this kind of stuff is they’re having experiences like this and they’re like, you know how it’s like you see something but then everybody else around you seems to either not see it or they negate it, and so you’re like, oh, I must have imagined it.

[00:41:24] Brad: You know, I feel like it’s really important to actually. For someone to actually say these things. ’cause that, that was actually my experience in Scientology. Mm-hmm. Is Allright just wrote what I had experienced and I was like, this guy, the same thing. Like, he’s like, this is exactly what I experienced. And I’m like, okay, this is it.

[00:41:41] Brad: You know? Yeah. Yeah. So please another if you would, sir. 

[00:41:44] All right. So, all right. So we worked with a group of people our, of another religion that was interested in dietetics. And so their spiritual leader was just, I mean, just being his space. I mean, like he shook my hand and I was melting. I was going, here you were.

[00:41:59] And he was an [00:42:00] older guy and been around a long time and I was like. 

[00:42:04] Aaron: You know, he already went on YouTube publicly and talked about this, so you can say, 

[00:42:07] okay, so Minister Lewis Farrakhan, which was very controversial, and he said, listen, I think you’re the only other group that’s been attacked as much on online as, as us.

[00:42:17] So that’s, that’s usually a good sign. 

[00:42:20] Brad: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:42:20] Well, so he, he had invited us again through Reverend l Freddie Johnson, who knew him personally for 40 years. 

[00:42:27] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:28] And has known him for, for 40, 40 plus years. He said, I, I, I want to apply, I want, I want to use this technology. Well, the thing about that’s so cool about Scientology, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a Baptist or Christian or a Muslim or Jewish, it doesn’t matter because it’s not a technology of what to believe.

[00:42:46] Mm-hmm. So if you’re Jewish, fine. I have a lot of Jewish friends, I have Muslim friends, I have Catholic friends, I have Protestant friends. And like, you just gotta clear up the words. You can understand more. I, I’m a Scientology, uh, ordained minister. Mm-hmm. [00:43:00] So I had to study every religion on earth. Mm-hmm.

[00:43:02] So I could understand better how to work together mm-hmm. To make life better. Right. So when they reached out and said, Hey, we want some technology, and we’re like, okay. And so the spiritual moment dietetics is, is the basic book about the mind. Mm-hmm. And it leaps into, you know, that kinda leads you into the spiritual aspect.

[00:43:23] So we’re doing a dianetics seminar for 1,200 people. Mm-hmm. Wow. At one time in one room. And we didn’t deliver it as Scientologists. We were just there as advisors. All of their top key people were trained. To deliver dietetic seminars so that people could understand the mind better. You watch a video, which is great, it’s the book on video.

[00:43:47] And even the lady who was a Hollywood person who did that movie, who did the, the book on video after, she was like, this is ama, this is the most amazing technology. After she was like creating the whole movie of [00:44:00] it. Yeah. Broken up by chapter. Anyway, so can you 

[00:44:02] Brad: imagine getting that assignment? 

[00:44:04] Oh, it was, I I met her.

[00:44:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:44:06] She was just so nice. But she was still kind of blown away, like, like, this is my life. I think this will be my biggest life’s work. You know? 

[00:44:14] Brad: Wow. 

[00:44:15] Like putting this, putting this into a mm-hmm. Something that people can easily understand by watching it and without changing anything in, in the words, right?

[00:44:24] Mm-hmm. And, uh, so anyway, so they watch parts of this video and then they audit each other. Mm-hmm. So there’s 600 auditing sessions going on at the same time in a big room. ’cause dietetics you can do just in a group, group, group sessions. And then I’m watching this group’s trained auditors walking around, they’re all trained auditors.

[00:44:46] Mm-hmm. Book one, you know, auditors. And they were, they were doing all thing. We’re just watching. And it, I mean, I, I can’t [00:45:00] describe it in any way than spiritual. Yeah. I was watching people change in front of her eyes. And then, so after the first session, I walked over to these, these, uh, young women and I said, how did, how’d it go?

[00:45:10] And there was three or four of ’em and three goes, it was great. My session was amazing. Oh my God, I handled something, blah, blah, blah. And I looked at the one girl, she wasn’t talking, she was really serious. And I said, what about you? She goes, no, someone told me that I could break my mind. I said, really? So someone told you that?

[00:45:26] ’cause you know, look it, not everybody’s gonna, you know, jump in and be. So I said, okay, well, and I, I said, can I grab your Dianetics book? So I got that with Dianetics book, and I went to this section where it says, the, the mind’s protection is, and you can’t break your mind. 

[00:45:39] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:45:40] And I showed it to her and she read, she goes, oh.

[00:45:43] I said, you see how they are? She goes, yeah, you can have that too. Mm-hmm Mm. And the next morning, this is, you know, thought there was thousands of people at this convention that we were, we’d set up. Yeah. So a couple thousand almost, you know, ’cause some, not everybody was in the taking [00:46:00] part. She comes running through this crowd and she comes up and she says, Jim, Mr.

[00:46:05] Jim, Mr. Jim. She goes, hi. Had a session. It was amazing. I just wanna thank you because it was one idea was stopping her from having that win. The idea was someone told her. Yeah. It would break her mind. Mm-hmm. Well, your mind is really powerful. Yeah. It can’t be broken. It can be adjusted. It could be, it could be invalidated.

[00:46:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:46:25] It could be. You know, dampened. 

[00:46:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:46:27] But you’re not gonna break it. All you can do is kind of set it for you. 

[00:46:30] Brad: It also can be unleashed. 

[00:46:31] Unleashed, 

[00:46:32] Brad: yeah. Wow. 

[00:46:34] So, 

[00:46:35] Brad: oh, amazing. 

[00:46:36] I got invited to go down to, to, to do some Hubbard administration technology for the Maoris 

[00:46:42] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:46:42] In New Zealand. 

[00:46:43] Brad: What’s, what’s, what 

[00:46:44] are Maoris are the native, ah, people of New Zealand, right?

[00:46:48] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:48] Just like the Indians and American, you know, so the, so the Maori people are, I, and I didn’t really know anything about it. So I’m, I’m, I always, knowledge is power. That’s my company’s trademark, right? But I’m like, okay, I’m [00:47:00] going, I’m gonna go meet in the Maoris. Okay, let me just research. So on the plane going down, I’m researching Maori’s and I’m like, oh wow, this is cool, this is cool, this is cool.

[00:47:09] And so we get there and they had already started on Dynetics all by themselves. Like they just said, no, we wanna do something. And so they started Dynetics. We were gonna bring down, we, the, the Wise administration technology to help them with their businesses. But these like. 30-year-old guys were going, like six or seven said, no, we just want, we, we heard about Dianetics, we wanna start now before everybody gets here.

[00:47:31] ’cause there was a couple speakers going down. So we get there and I’m like, wow, these people are so spiritual. They’re very spiritual. So I got invited to speak to the elders now in their, in their culture. The older you are, the more revered you are. Mm. So if you can survive. Right. So that’s first test if you survive to 80.

[00:47:53] Oh yeah. Yeah. So the elders council is all the oldest people of this area. Mm-hmm. You know, because there’s different areas in Yeah. [00:48:00] So they say, we want you to come talk. So I said, well, okay. So I brought some of the, their guys, some of the Maoris who had done dietetics for a couple weeks and they were so happy and they’re, like I said, I’m gonna bring, I’m gonna bring them as a guest.

[00:48:13] So they’re talking to the elders about their experience with Dianetics and. You know, 99% of the people in the room are because there was like 40 or 50 elders in the room. This is not a little group. It was a big group. Yeah. Massive group. One guy’s like this the whole time. Just, and, and, and I was going, okay.

[00:48:31] And I only had, I can’t remember if it was, I was given 30 minutes to present my ideas or whatever I wanted to say. And I’m going, man, I’m running outta time and I gotta handle this guy. So without using my hands, I literally kind of put up a spiritual hand in front of his mouth so he wouldn’t say anything.

[00:48:48] I literally clamped them down and then he was like, I could see he got startled again. I didn’t, I didn’t use my hands. And then I said, okay, good. I mean that’s, uh, thank you guys so much for sharing your successes. I [00:49:00] said, let me talk to you. And so then I gave the history of the Maori to the pit, to the Maori.

[00:49:05] Hmm. I just started talking about how, where they came from and how they survived and what they had to get through and what was going on and present time and, and after about three minutes. First it’s the women. ’cause you know, women are smarter than guys, I think. So the women start nodding their heads.

[00:49:20] They’re like, yeah, he’s, he’s telling, he’s saying the truth. He understands us. Mm-hmm. And then I said, but I said, so we have a technology that can help you increase your survival ability in this current environment that you’re in. Mm-hmm. And by then I had muzzled the other guy enough without touching him, just so that he completely backed out of the scene.

[00:49:48] ’cause he wasn’t the real leader of the elders. Oh. So I hadn’t even seen him the whole time. But then at, I said, thank you very much for having me. Thank you for listening to me. And you know, and I wish you all the best. [00:50:00] And at that moment, at the back of the room behind everybody, this guy stands up and he’s dressed in native garb.

[00:50:06] Right. And he’s, he is the medicine man. Mm-hmm. He is the spiritual leader of this group. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he comes up. Doesn’t, and now the whole room’s quiet. Now this is, you know, he’s at the back of the room, so this is taking a few minutes. So like he, he’s walking up and I’m just looking at him. He is looking at me and he’s got me on a beat and he comes up and then the Maori’s like they, you touch your forehead and your nose together and you both breathe in and you share a breath.

[00:50:29] Mm-hmm. Oh wow. So he comes up to me, doesn’t say where, just leans forward and I lean forward and he shares a breath. He goes, I know you brother. I almost started crying. Wow. He goes, I know you. He goes, thank you for coming. He goes, we’re gonna share some time together. And we did. We spent a few days and it was, you know, like before we could open the new wise office that was gonna be built in their town, he said, no, you can’t open until we, we [00:51:00] consecrate it.

[00:51:00] Until we bless it and drive out the evil spirits. And I said, okay. I hadn’t, I hadn’t read that part. So I was like, okay. And he had this, his stick. And so we lined up, I dunno, 60 or 70 of us, that were all part of this group that was gonna be involved in the wise community. We went through this building and we touched the walls and the chairs and he, and he was seeing things in Maori, and there’s breath and, and we walked out and everybody goes, yeah, the place feels better now.

[00:51:31] That was a building. Mm-hmm. So we were, we were blessing a building. And that guy, I mean, I had the, some of the wildest conversations with him and we just, I’ll never forget him. And that was, I don’t know how many years ago? Yeah. 12 years ago. It was 10 years ago. I don’t know. But it changed me. It made me appreciate, and I think part of the spirituality is appreciating other people’s cultures and beliefs.

[00:51:56] Jim: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:56] You know, not fighting it. You don’t, I mean, I don’t have to believe everything [00:52:00] someone says. I just have to appreciate that that’s what they believe and understand. Mm-hmm. And I think that leads to more, more of a spiritual connection with people when they feel understood. There’s something that’s not hard, like a death.

[00:52:12] There’s something that it goes on, but it’s something you walk away with and you know, you have something different. Yeah. And more. Mm-hmm. So that’s, that’s the Maori, 

[00:52:22] Aaron: and, and so do they believe in sort of life after life or what’s their general belief? 

[00:52:28] You know, I don’t remember specifically and everybody, you know, there, there are definitely a lot of different beliefs about life after life.

[00:52:34] Jim: Right. Right, right. 

[00:52:35] I will say a funny story. So I was talking to a group in, in, uh, I was in Russia and there was a bunch of Ukrainians and Russians and Kazakhstan. There was a whole bunch of people, they were in the course room. And so I was gonna give a lecture, uh, to invite people to come to the free ones, which is the ot, you know, spiritual re retreat, right.

[00:52:52] For OT eights. And I said, okay, first question before I do this lecture, because I don’t wanna say anything that’s unreal to you. [00:53:00] How many people believe you lived before this life? And everybody raised their hand. I said, wow, I’ve never had that happen. Wow. Wow. And so I went right into it, man. And I was like, listen, you have, we’ve been around a long, long time.

[00:53:13] That’s what I believe. And based on everything I’ve experienced in Scientology, it’s true for me. Yeah. And that’s the other thing is if it’s true for you, it’s true. If it’s not true for you, it’s not true. I’m not gonna here to argue with anybody. Yeah. Yeah. So it, whatever you get out of anything, you know, take away what’s true for you.

[00:53:28] Mm-hmm. And then you’ll be happy. And I don’t argue, I don’t, I try not to argue every, my, you know, of course my wife and I were, we know each other so well that we still kind of go well, and I go then argument arguments. Arguments are like less than two minutes. You know, they, it. Yeah. Okay. I understand. 

[00:53:45] Brad: They end with, well, if, if that’s true for you, honey.

[00:53:49] I know. I don’t use that one anymore.

[00:53:54] So, you know, I think I’ve, I’ve run into a lot of people, different, different beliefs and different [00:54:00] religions and stuff, but the bottom line is if you treat a person as more than just a body mm-hmm. And if you treat them as a spiritual being, that it, it does take every conversation to a higher level.

[00:54:12] Mm-hmm. Yeah. It does. And it, and it also keeps the, the noise down of, well, I disagree with this and this. Well, what Focus in on the disagreement, focus on the, on the pieces you agree on. Yeah. Because there you can form a relationship. Yeah. Because you’re never gonna agree a hundred percent with anybody. I, I’ve found you’ll never agree 100% with everybody.

[00:54:32] Mm-hmm. My wife and I don’t agree on a hundred percent on everything. We disagree on most things. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then we don’t beat each other up on the things we disagree with. We just go, okay. That’s cool that you, that I, I’ll support you. I’m doing it that way. Yeah. Even though I think my way is better, 

[00:54:47] Brad: you’re like, I’ll support you in your wrongness and you support me in my wrongness.

[00:54:52] So anyway, that’s, I think, 

[00:54:54] Brad: wow. 

[00:54:55] Aaron: And so it’s a lot. And, and these days, I’m not sure if you, if you [00:55:00] have looked at it this way, but I sort of feel like you’re now a preacher. 

[00:55:05] Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. 

[00:55:07] Aaron: Because you are going on social media and you do these talks. I think they’re daily or, or very often.

[00:55:12] Well, I try to give out good quotes 

[00:55:14] Aaron: and, and you talk and you give messages. And so, you know, and it’s not like, Hey, this is a, a, a spiritual thing, but the, the, the, we call, some people call it the good vibes. Yeah, 

[00:55:26] yeah, yeah. 

[00:55:26] Aaron: The good vibes. Okay. Well, what’s, what is vibing, what is the thing that’s doing the vibe?

[00:55:30] Aaron: Like where does the vibe come from? Oh, what 

[00:55:32] Brad: is doing the vibing? That’s a great 

[00:55:34] Aaron: question. What is doing the vibe? 

[00:55:35] Brad: That’s a great question. 

[00:55:37] Aaron: So. Wow. But when you’re, you’re, you’re sending out the, these messages and it’s like, uh, the, the, and, and I think it’s been going quite well and, and people have, you, you told me you get a lot of great results from this.

[00:55:47] Aaron: Yeah. And do you see that, uh, as an obligation of yourself as a, as a minister? I mean, I’ll tell you, I just saw two, two ministers get ordained last week at Sunday service. 

[00:55:57] Yeah. 

[00:55:58] Aaron: And it literally, [00:56:00] like, I don’t know the exact wording, but it was like, you now have this responsibility to like, to minister to people to do this.

[00:56:04] Aaron: And I think it had sent the preacher to give the message out or something, and I was like, oh, wow, I’ve never heard this before. 

[00:56:09] Oh, wow. 

[00:56:09] Aaron: I mean, I might have heard it before, but I forgot. Yeah. I can until I just did. So like, and, and, and I see you now. So what, what do, do you, do you see this happening or is this a coincidence?

[00:56:16] You know, I dunno. I got ordained like 25 years ago. Right? Yeah. So, and so at, at the time, I did it so I could marry a friend’s, uh, kid to, to another girl. So I did my first wedding. And weddings are fun, right? Yeah. And then I got asked to do funerals, and I’m like, okay, funerals are less fun. But, you know, I, I, I found that even at funerals.

[00:56:37] When it’s done correctly, everybody should be happy and be reminded that how much goodness this person brought to them. Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that celebration of life, I, I always say celebration of life. I never call a funeral anymore. Mm-hmm. ’cause to me, a funeral is an old thing that mm-hmm. ’cause people didn’t realize what we’re really talking about.

[00:56:56] We’re talking about, Hey, we’re sending you off into your next life. Mm-hmm. You know, into the [00:57:00] future where you’re gonna make other people happy too. Mm-hmm. But we get everybody to really look at what this person has done to help the people in, in the audience. But I remember one time I had did three funerals in a row and, and I hadn’t had all these realizations yet.

[00:57:14] So I was still kind of going, okay, this is kind of sad, you know? And I remember thinking, God. I need something fun. I need like a christening or something like that. I was literally, I was in target. I’m not kidding. This happened. I was in Target. I said, I need a christening. I need something to take the edge off of the loss of, ’cause these were three really good friends of mine at the time in a row, like, like was very close to each other.

[00:57:40] And I’m like, okay. I just, you know, being a minister can be tough, right? Because was this, because you’re, you’re doing this for your friends and family and your in your neighborhood and so, I’m not kidding you, I turned the corner. There’s a friend of mine, she has a little baby. She goes, oh my God, Jim, I was just thinking about you.

[00:57:56] Can you do our christening this Friday? And I was [00:58:00] like, Uhhuh, 

[00:58:02] Brad: you’re not gonna believe it. I said, I 

[00:58:03] Jim: literally was 

[00:58:03] Brad: just 

[00:58:04] thinking, I 

[00:58:05] Brad: need to do a, okay now I want you to think I need to get a billion dollars. So I give it to my friend, Brad, can you just please faster? Come on. Well, first 

[00:58:12] of all, if I think I’m gonna get a billion dollars, I’m not gonna give you all.

[00:58:15] It’ll 

[00:58:16] Brad: help 90%. He’ll take a 10% commission universe, whoever’s listening.

[00:58:22] That’s 

[00:58:22] Brad: amazing. 

[00:58:23] Well, you know, and the other thing spiritually, like with money, like people like, yeah, I want money right now. Okay. Well the lighter, the lighter the thing is mm-hmm. The faster it moves when you make a decision’s. So true. And the heavier or more complicated the thing is, so when I co, when I true, when I decided I want a million dollars, I’d worked my ass off for two years and then I got a million dollars.

[00:58:42] Yeah, right. Um, but there’s sometimes, like when I decide a little thing to happen, I mean, you know, sometimes I need a little extra sunshine, you know, and it does, but, but clouds are light. Mm-hmm. Those are easy to move. Those are, that’s not hard. You know, 

[00:58:58] Aaron: you know, the amount of pe this is a story I’ll [00:59:00] say on this happened to me.

[00:59:01] Aaron: Yeah. But I feel like this, this is a common occurrence. Yeah. I’ve heard, I’ve said it and people are like, the same thing happened to me. 

[00:59:06] Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:07] Aaron: On our wedding day, me and Whitney, when we got married 12 years ago, whenever it was. It was a rainy, cloudy day. The forecast was like rain all day. Yeah. So we go, you know what, we’re just gonna go in and we’re gonna prepare.

[00:59:21] Aaron: And I don’t know, we’ll do it in the rain. I don’t know what something happens. We get there, like we set up, the wedding starts like at 11 in the morning, 10 50. It stops raining fully. The sun comes out, we put up all the chairs. The thing we do the wedding, the thing is done, we’re walking away and it starts pouring rain again.

[00:59:39] Wow. Yes, it’s true. Yeah. 

[00:59:42] Aaron: And you go like, hold on. And then I, and I’ve said that and, and people go. That happened on my wedding too. 

[00:59:47] Yeah. 

[00:59:48] Aaron: And again, sorry. Hey, if you rained on your wedding, it’s okay. I’m my apologies. No, no. It doesn’t work for everybody. Well, like, 

[00:59:52] and you don’t have to believe, you don’t have to believe this, but, but if you become a Scientologist, it’s easy.

[00:59:57] I’m just kidding. 

[00:59:59] Aaron: I’m 

[00:59:59] just 

[00:59:59] Jim: kidding. [01:00:00] 

[01:00:01] Do you know, do you know what happened to me? Yeah. Go, go. That, that’s what happened naturally for me. For whatever reason, it was always weather was my thing. Even before, even before I knew it. I’ve heard about, I 

[01:00:09] Aaron: heard 

[01:00:09] Brad: it. What do you mean by that? 

[01:00:10] Aaron: I’m telling you, he has a reputation.

[01:00:11] Brad: Really? 

[01:00:12] Aaron: This man has a reputation. I’m telling you the weatherman, I’m not even joking. I’ve heard this. I dunno if it from me, somebody else could be you and wet the 

[01:00:20] Brad: meteorologist. Okay, 

[01:00:21] go, go, go. 

[01:00:21] Brad: Let’s do this. 

[01:00:22] So, so, so, so, you know, so I, I was called the Sunshine Boy because wherever I had to go to be outside, if it was for an event, it was always sunny.

[01:00:31] Mm. I always, even my wife’s parents, they’re like, well come to visit you guys in Seattle, but it never rains when we’re there. I said, of course not. ’cause we, we have to, we’re outside doing stuff. I don’t wanna get wet. So they just knew that I was listen. And that’s who called me. The Sunshine Boy was her mom.

[01:00:45] Brad: Oh my God. 

[01:00:46] So then I’m here and um, you know, one of the staff members noticed it and she called me up. She goes, Jim, I’ve noticed that you kinda have sunshine whenever you want. Right? I go, well, don’t tell anybody. [01:01:00] 

[01:01:01] Jim: That’s my little secret. 

[01:01:03] So she says, well, we are having a wedding and it’s supposed to rain all day.

[01:01:06] Can you just, I said, well, what time? Like what time do you need the sunshine? So she tells me, and I said, okay. I said, but you know, I have to be there, but luckily I’m going to that wedding. So I, ’cause I had this, I had this considerations. I had to fixed ideas that I had to be in the spot where the sun was to get the sun to come out.

[01:01:28] Brad: Ah, yeah. 

[01:01:28] That was most of my life. 

[01:01:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:30] So I go to the wedding. Beautiful. No rain, little bit of wind. 

[01:01:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:34] No rain, sunshine. And then, you know, the, the staff member goes, oh, thank you so much. I said, you’re welcome. So then I, then, then, now she’s called me and I’m like, okay. Then I did OT eight. That was funny.

[01:01:45] After OT eight, it kind of changed my mind. Like, I know I’m, I don’t have to be there. That’s kind of stupid. That’s why would I limit myself, right? I mean, I made a million dollars after making a decision. I can, I can, I [01:02:00] can make it not rain somewhere if I need to, just in case I need it. So, of course, I’m doing talks and, and this girl calls me from Italy and she says, yeah, we, we loved having you here, but since you left, it’s been raining every day.

[01:02:11] Oh no. Gosh, this is after O eight. So I, I went through, I literally went through Italy to seven cities and every city I went to, the sun was beautiful. It was gorgeous. I was there and I left. And then when I drove away, it started raining. Mm. And I get to the next town. So every time, every town I had, and even the guy who took me every goes, I’ve never seen this happen, man.

[01:02:30] It’s, it’s springtime in Italy. It rains every day. 

[01:02:32] Jim: Yeah. 

[01:02:33] I said, well, not where I’m at. He goes, yeah, I noticed. So she, she writes me an email and says, listen. And she had, she had a band and she goes, we’re doing an outdoor concert on Sunday and it’s supposed to rain all weekend, and it’s been raining ever since you left.

[01:02:46] She goes, can you please gimme some sunshine on Sunday? And this is the first time someone asked me. And I’m like, yeah. I just decided, I, I said, yes. I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna, you know Yeah. Put myself down in [01:03:00] any way, shape, or form. Yeah. I’m just gonna say, yeah, you know what? I just finished OTAA little while ago.

[01:03:03] I’m, this is gonna happen. I said, you’re gonna have sunshine. What time do you need it? She goes, well, the concert’s from, from, uh, one to four. I said, okay. I said, you’ll have at least that much sunshine. She goes, really? She goes, yeah. Now, you know, it’s a funny thing is people ask you to do this right. And then they don’t tell you 

[01:03:21] Jim: what happens.

[01:03:22] Yeah. So on Monday, oh, really? So Monday you’re wondering, and I’m wondering, mon, so Monday at WhatsApp, right? I say, Hey, how’s the concert? I didn’t say how was the sunshine? I said, how was your concert? So she goes, oh my God. Twice as many people showed up, she goes, we had sunshine from 11 in the morning till eight at night.

[01:03:38] Like when it didn’t rain, literally for nine hours. 

[01:03:41] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:03:42] And she goes, best, best concert we ever had. I said, okay, good. And then, you know, people would ask before something and then finally, I so sunshine, I can kind of, you know, do at will. Then I get a call from a friend. She goes, Jim, um, my, my [01:04:00] brother’s house is in California.

[01:04:01] The fire’s been raging for three days and he, he doesn’t really have anything else but that house and it’s getting close. Can you please make it rain? I go, oh honey, Carol, I, I, I don’t do rain. I’m the sunshine boy, the emergency. I go, I’m the sunshine boy. I do sunshine. She goes, please, he’s gonna lose everything.

[01:04:21] And I went, okay, well hard is that. So I just decided it would rain. Now I don’t even know where in California is that man. I’m like, okay. And I’m not kidding you. The next morning I walked into the, into the church and, and there she was. She’s a big lady. She picks me up off the ground and hugs me and she goes, it rained all night.

[01:04:40] My brother’s house is safe. 

[01:04:42] Brad: Wow. 

[01:04:43] I was like, she puts me down. I go, okay, that’s a first. 

[01:04:47] Brad: Wow. 

[01:04:48] So, I mean, I, you know, I always lo love this because in the spiritual thing of realm of things, you know, that’s when you want miracles. I mean, you want something to happen, you know, like you lose your keys and you go, okay, [01:05:00] I’m gonna find my keys.

[01:05:01] And then someone drives up in a car and say, Hey, I found these keys in the sidewalk. 

[01:05:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:04] You know, and you get to, so it doesn’t work for me for keys. I’m still working on that one. But I’ve, I’ve read stories of people saying, yeah, I lost my keys. I did this, something happened, or, I wanna get in here. So, you know, your life is pretty magical.

[01:05:16] Mm-hmm. I mean, spiritual magical, I mean, all these things that’s hard to explain and hard to see. The truth is every single person out there. They do have magic. It’s, it’s, it’s whether that, it’s, whether that fire is raging or if it’s, you know, kind of almost going out. It’s like everybody has this spiritual essence and, and, and it gets more magical as you learn how to handle it.

[01:05:41] And then that’s what Scientology does is it teaches you how to be more you. 

[01:05:46] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:46] That doesn’t turn you into someone else, it just turns you into more of you. Yeah. And you’re not afraid to tell, tell people, Hey, this is me. 

[01:05:53] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:54] This is Jim. I’m, this is what I do and I like it. If you don’t like it, it’s okay, but if you wanna join [01:06:00] in, come in.

[01:06:01] Yeah. So that’s, 

[01:06:02] Aaron: yeah. I want, I’m gonna comment one more thing on the, on the rain because there is, um, I believe it was a governor or, or, or some sort of government person and it was in California and it was, you know, a drought and this, and it wasn’t a fire exam, it was just drought. And I, and I wanna say I need to find this clip.

[01:06:22] Aaron: If we can find this clip. I’m gonna put it in here, in, in this, on the, on the show show notes. But he goes and he says, let’s do a rain dance. Okay. So this guy was some sort of politician and he goes and does, does a rain dance. And it was, I don’t know, 50 people. And they do some rain dance, right? ’cause rain, rain dance.

[01:06:38] Aaron: This is, this has been around for a long time, for thousand. This rain. I mean, it’s like, this is like a tradition as old this time. Right. And, uh, they did this, he, he hosted this RainDance and the media attacked him so hard. 

[01:06:48] Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:49] Aaron: They said, this guy’s a lunatic, this guy, this, it was like a barrage of media attacks on this guy for thinking that he can have this effect.

[01:06:58] Aaron: Wow. And I kid you not, the [01:07:00] next day it rained. Whoa. The next day it rained. So do you remember what year that was? It was, it was, uh, it was probably like maybe 13, 14 years ago. 

[01:07:12] Okay. 

[01:07:12] Aaron: Roughly. I, I don’t know exactly. It was, it was a while. And, but I’m gonna, I’m gonna find this article. Okay. Yeah. Or I’m gonna try to, okay.

[01:07:18] Yeah. 

[01:07:18] Aaron: And, but I just find it interesting that 

[01:07:21] he got 

[01:07:22] Aaron: attacked the, the, the, yeah. The, the media machine. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wants to do everything possible to tell you that the only thing there is, is this. 

[01:07:31] Yeah. 

[01:07:31] Aaron: The only way you can improve is with a pill. 

[01:07:34] Yeah. 

[01:07:34] Aaron: The only thing you can do for yourself i i is a drug.

[01:07:38] Aaron: Mm-hmm. And not like, change your mind. Yeah. Or just have a different idea for go outside and walk and the actual walk. Yeah. Yeah. Go outside and take a walk. Yeah. Take some vitamins, whatever. So there actually is a, a, a concentrated effort to make this stuff seem bad. Uh, like you should do nothing. Like they convince you to do nothing.

[01:07:58] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Which is Hanson [01:08:00] show. Don’t, don’t do nothing. That’s right. Don’t do nothing. Yeah. A a rain dance is better than nothing. 

[01:08:04] Brad: That’s 

[01:08:04] Aaron: right. A, a a an idea is better. That’s right. Whatever it is. An idea. 

[01:08:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:08] Aaron: Just changing an idea will always be better than giving up. 

[01:08:11] Brad: Now 

[01:08:12] Aaron: that 

[01:08:12] Brad: alone cloud seeding is also better than a RainDance.

[01:08:15] Brad: But, 

[01:08:16] Aaron: well, I don’t know about that. 

[01:08:17] Brad: I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. I’m just joking. 

[01:08:19] I didn’t want, you know, when I was talking about engineers and bridges and, you know, if they, if, if, if it’s a good engineer, it works and, you know, how do you tell for yourself how you’re doing spiritually.

[01:08:31] Mm-hmm. So here’s a good barometer. I mean, here’s a way to measure, and I, and I use this all the time when I’m talking to my groups and stuff, and, you know, if you’re, if you’re next to somebody and, and they’re kind of ying YY and you start to feel smaller and smaller and you feel tighter and you feel like you don’t want to communicate, that is the indicator that you’re getting smaller.

[01:08:54] That that feeling of getting smaller is real. You, you are, and you’re getting smaller. So if you do [01:09:00] something that makes you feel smaller or less important, yeah. That is the measurement of that thing. Is it good or bad for you? Yep. If you get next to somebody, and sometimes without even saying a word, but you get next to somebody and you’re just like.

[01:09:14] And you start to feel a little bit bigger and you feel your, you know, whatever you wanna call it, your heart open up or your spirit. Mm-hmm. You feel like you’re more willing to communicate? 

[01:09:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:09:24] Okay. Whatever you’re near, whatever you’re doing or whatever you’re reading, whatever you’re watching is having a good effect on you.

[01:09:32] Mm-hmm. So if you’re ever confused about, well, I don’t know if he’s good for me or not, I don’t know, but you look like shit every time you leave the

[01:09:41] or, or you look a lot happier every time. You’ll come away from the conversation with that your that one friend. But you always look like you’re going to start crying when you come away from the other friend. Yeah. Well, you need to start noticing yourself. Are you feeling bigger? Mm-hmm. Or smaller. Mm-hmm.

[01:09:57] Are you feeling more effective or more [01:10:00] powerful or just more happy or less? Yeah. And then start to notice and see that’s what media does. It pounds you so hard with so much negativity. You lose your awareness. Mm-hmm. You go numb. See, numbness is almost worse than pain. Yeah. Because if something hurts you stop doing it.

[01:10:19] Yep. If you’re numb, you don’t even get up. Mm. Yeah. And you know what? There’s a lot of life to live out there. There’s a lot of, I mean, I love you so mu I was telling someone, I said, you know, I helped a guy become a millionaire and he makes way more money than I do, and I’m happy about it. Like, I don’t, I don’t get jealous of people.

[01:10:38] Yeah. Like, I don’t, I don’t get jealous of someone else’s success. I, I know billionaires. I’m happy for them. Yeah. Now, yeah. I’ll take it. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll accept a billion dollars. Yeah. And that’s may or may not be in this lifetime something I achieve. I don’t really care. Yeah. Because what I’ve achieved so far to date, and what I would do, uh, going forward on a daily [01:11:00] basis is try to make at least one person happier every day.

[01:11:02] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:02] Yeah. And feel bigger and believe in themselves, and feel more powerful and communicate more and get out and live life. 

[01:11:09] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:11:10] Aaron: Guys, if, if Jim has made you happy in any way, please leave a comment. Leave a comment and just mention. But put in the put, leave a review. Leave a comment and say, listen, this gym guy, he made me happy today.

[01:11:21] Aaron: Uh, or, you know, I, I was gonna go somewhere today and it was sunshine. Just, just, just say something, Jim, thanks for the sunshine. And just, just give some things to Jim, wherever you are, and I will forward it to him. Make sure he sees it. Thank you. 

[01:11:32] Brad: Personally, this is me. I haven’t even told you about this, but I’ve been kind of like looking like, okay, who’s the person from our group who we need to actually get onto Joe Rogan’s podcast to get the other side of the story.

[01:11:45] Brad: Bro, it’s you 

[01:11:46] really, 

[01:11:47] Brad: I’m just gonna tell you it’s him. He’s the guy who needs to go on Rogan from our group. 

[01:11:51] Aaron: Let’s pitch it. 

[01:11:52] Brad: Yeah, I’m telling you like it’s, yeah, there’s just a lot of things that align, the spirituality, the stories that you have, [01:12:00] the type of guy that you are, you know, like that’s, you’re so to, to bring it down to something concrete, like that’s a postulate.

[01:12:08] Brad: So I’ll just, okay, there you go. There you go. If you’re cool, if you’re cool with that, yeah, I, I’ll do it. I have that desire. I 

[01:12:13] like Joe. 

[01:12:14] Brad: Yeah. Um, but also you’re just a nice fricking guy. I’m working on the cursing, see, digging purse. That was, that was amazing. You’re just a very, you’re just a great guy. 

[01:12:24] FA part.

[01:12:25] Yeah. It’s part of the vocabulary, man. 

[01:12:27] Brad: Yeah. Okay, so Aaron has a question. 

[01:12:29] Aaron: Okay. So in your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:12:34] Scientology is, I mean, the basic words, the study of knowledge. Scientology is learning to know more about yourself and the environment. So that you can better navigate through that environment to achieve your dreams and your goals.

[01:12:53] And I think, I never, I’ve never said that before. That’s, I think that’s the simplest, not definition, [01:13:00] definition for Scientology. For me, it’s really, it, it gave me the tools and the ability and the awareness to know more about myself, to know more about my friends, to know more about the obstacles in life.

[01:13:12] ’cause they’re not going away. Mm-hmm. Obstacles not going away. Yeah. Well, how do you navigate your life through the obstacles, the pains and the upsets and the, and the bad things and the good things. And how do you recognize what’s good and what you can do to make it better and make your path wider and wider and wider as you go through this life.

[01:13:32] And I think that’s, for me, that’s what Scientology is. It gives me the ability to move through life in the direction I want to go and bring as many friends with me as possible and, and arrive, you know, at a next destination. And then there’s always a next, there’s always this, this journey goes on. So that’s it.

[01:13:50] Aaron: Amazing. Thank you. That was brilliant. Okay. And then one more thing. Now this is gonna be, this is a new one, which, which I was recommended Oh. I was recommended by, by a friend to do this. [01:14:00] But, um, you’ve done the Volunteer Minister’s course. Yeah. Right. And this course is available for free for everybody online.

[01:14:07] Aaron: There’s 19 courses Absolutely. For free. Right. Which course is your favorite? And you’re saying, Hey, you should do this course right now online on the volunteer ministers. 

[01:14:19] I, I wanna say this because I think it’s important because our, in our world right now, there are still a lot of people can’t read. 

[01:14:24] Aaron: Mm.

[01:14:25] You know, and one thing that we’ve supported here in Clearwater for over 20 years is the Clearwater Learning Center. Mm-hmm. Which helps people of all ages learn how to read. Mm-hmm. So now, if you understand the basics of how to read, there’s the next step is the words get bigger and bigger, and the more words you don’t know.

[01:14:45] Then probably the more dumb you’re gonna feel. Mm-hmm. And, and it’s actually been proven. Your IQ goes up as your vocabulary goes up. Doesn’t matter where you went to school either. Mm-hmm. You don’t have to go to Harvard to be successful. You don’t have to go to the Naval Academy or West Point and West Point.

[01:14:59] Come on. [01:15:00] Um, to be successful, definitely don’t have to go there. But the first course I always tell people to do is the learning how to study course. And then Mm. Because it’s one, it’s so simple. This literally, I think the course takes 30 minutes, 20 minutes, it’s free, and it’s 20 minutes. I mean, who doesn’t have 20 minutes?

[01:15:19] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:19] But it teaches you the three barriers to study so that you go, oh, I never knew it had that much impact. Now, if I’m trying to buy something and there’s a word in there I don’t understand, the first thing I do is Google it. Or, you know, ask Chad G what does that, what does that mean? And I get, you know, way too many definitions sometimes, but I go, oh, okay, I got it now I understand what it is I wanna buy.

[01:15:40] Or you’re, you’re a, a legal document. Mm-hmm. People just skim through all that. Well, then they get ripped off. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Learn the words. Yeah. And, and this would tell you the importance of it, and it helps you understand. Now you do that one, I don’t care which of the, the other 18, because you, I don’t know what problem you’re having right now.

[01:15:59] [01:16:00] Mm-hmm. So I always, when I’m get, I tell people to take this, do this free course all the time. I go, what problem are you having in life? And then I know the courses and I go, okay, do this course. 

[01:16:09] Brad: Nice. 

[01:16:10] Aaron: Okay. So guys, the first course, anyone. Can do right now and should. Jim’s favorite best to start scientology.org/study.

[01:16:18] Aaron: Okay. That’ll take you to the course. Wow. And you can absolutely do it right now. It, it is. Just do it. You just post these. Just do it. 

[01:16:24] And 

[01:16:24] Brad: off the top of his head. Yeah. 

[01:16:26] Aaron: There’s a secret. 

[01:16:27] Brad: Does this every episode. So 

[01:16:27] what’s your favorite, what’s your favorite 

[01:16:28] Aaron: after the 

[01:16:29] study course 

[01:16:29] Aaron: investigations. 

[01:16:30] Oh, yeah. 

[01:16:31] Brad: Oh, 

[01:16:32] Aaron: by far, by far.

[01:16:33] Aaron: Uh, org slash investigations. It is actually how to think. 

[01:16:37] Yep. How to 

[01:16:37] Aaron: think, how, how to find a truth, you know, how to study. 

[01:16:39] Yeah. 

[01:16:39] Aaron: But how to think, 

[01:16:42] wow, that one is insane. 

[01:16:43] Aaron: How to find the truth. By far, by far my favorite. 

[01:16:45] How to find the truth and the chaos around you. 

[01:16:46] Aaron: Oh, 

[01:16:47] that’s, that’s what that does. 

[01:16:48] Aaron: That’s my favorite one.

[01:16:49] Aaron: So do those sources, the links will be, will be below. Check ’em out and uh, okay. Parting words, Mr. Preacher, minister bossman, millionaire. [01:17:00] 

[01:17:01] You know, it’s like. Uh, life is an adventure, right? It’s, it’s not a destination. It’s a constant adventure. And the more good people, like, you’re brand new in my life, so I’m happy.

[01:17:14] I’m so happy to meet you. You know, you are one of my loved and cherished beings for years and years and years. The more people that you get around you that want to help you survive, and you wanna help them survive, the better life is. Mm-hmm. And the, and the better. The adventure is, you know, I feel I’m sick.

[01:17:31] I’m gonna be 65. I still feel like I’m 23. Even if my body doesn’t run as fast as I want it to, it doesn’t matter. I look at life as a 23-year-old. I’m going, okay man, I am smart. I’m powerful. I can do anything I want. What do I wanna do next? Where am I going next? What country am I going to? What am I gonna do?

[01:17:48] Who people I’m gonna see? What book am I gonna write? It’s like, I have so much to do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So. That’s my last take. I, I, I really appreciate you. I mean, seriously, I [01:18:00] love everything you do and I’m gonna appreciate you more as I get to know you. But I think you’re a great guy already, so even though you went to West Point, 

[01:18:07] Aaron: thanks bro.

[01:18:07] Aaron: Awesome guys. Thank you. 

[01:18:08] Don’t 

[01:18:08] Aaron: do nothing. See you guys next time.