Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Sister Nayyirah: People can relate to me. I come from this, you know, starting from the bottom, now I’m here. 

[00:00:04] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are like the goals of the Nation of Islam, 

[00:00:09] Sister Nayyirah: and that’s why I love Scientology because it’s helping me to apply my religion. Mm-hmm. It is helping me to become a better Muslim. You get the person to solve their own problem.

[00:00:19] Sister Nayyirah: That’s empowerment. One session of Diane. Blew 10 years of grief. Wherever truth is, that’s where you belong. People don’t care about how much you know, they wanna know how much you care. 

[00:00:33] Aaron: If you really understand someone you don’t need to be fighting. 

[00:00:35] Brad: Welcome to another episode of The Don’t Do Nothing podcast.

[00:00:38] Brad: Today we have a pretty awesome guest. Our guest today is Sister Naira. She is a transformational life coach. She runs a, uh, women’s community called Heal on Purpose. She is like the list goes on pretty long, so bear with me for a second. She’s a TEDx speaker. Uh, she was trained by Les [00:01:00] Brown on being a public speaker.

[00:01:01] Brad: She does public speaking all the time. Uh, she also is a mother, a wife. She is five 

[00:01:09] Aaron: children. Both, 

[00:01:10] Brad: yeah. A mother of five children. All grown outta the house. Outta the house. So you also an empty nester 

[00:01:17] Sister Nayyirah: for sure. Let’s say that, 

[00:01:19] Brad: uh, she’s also the founder of, uh, repair of the black family. Mm-hmm. Which is your foundation.

[00:01:26] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[00:01:27] Brad: And she is also a student in, I’m gonna say this wrong, no’s. Good student student in the Ministry of the Nation of Islam. 

[00:01:35] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[00:01:36] Brad: There we go. 

[00:01:37] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[00:01:37] Brad: Welcome. 

[00:01:37] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. Thank you for having me. I’m so super excited to be here. 

[00:01:41] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:01:41] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[00:01:42] Brad: Yeah. We’re super excited for you to be here. 

[00:01:44] Sister Nayyirah: Thank you. 

[00:01:44] Brad: Um, I think Aaron had the first question.

[00:01:47] Brad: He’s like, bursting with questions as we were sitting down today. 

[00:01:50] Aaron: So I’ve met a lot of people in the nation of Islam. 

[00:01:52] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:53] Aaron: They’re all so put together. 

[00:01:54]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:55] Aaron: So well-mannered, incredible. Setting an example of what it means to be a human [00:02:00] being. 

[00:02:00]  : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:02:01] Aaron: Wow. That’s 

[00:02:01] Brad: true. 

[00:02:02] Aaron: I’m, I’m curious, how did you get on that path?

[00:02:07] Aaron: How did you, uh. Start in the nation. How did you learn about it? How did you join, uh, become part of the, uh, you know, the elite group, which is the, the MGT for females? Mm-hmm. For, for the males. It’s a, an, uh, FOI. 

[00:02:18] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:02:19] Aaron: And so like how does that journey start? 

[00:02:22] Sister Nayyirah: Well, I have a journey with my stepdad. So my mom actually remarried and her husband was a Muslim.

[00:02:32] Sister Nayyirah: And so of course being growing up in a Christian background, okay, Christian faith and she gets married and, uh, yeah. So he was like, this is how I got in. He would always pray differently, friendly. He ate differently. Um, his language was different from ours and he never like pushed it on us. My mom never encouraged us to do it, but I was very inquisitive.[00:03:00] 

[00:03:00] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So I would ask questions. 

[00:03:01] Brad: Wow. 

[00:03:02] Sister Nayyirah: And especially during prayer. ’cause every New Year’s my mom would have us on our knees. We would be praying, you know, in the Christian honor we do all the Christian faith. And he would be standing up and he would be doing like this. I’m like, why is he praying like this?

[00:03:17] Sister Nayyirah: Look it weird. Right? And then when he took away the pork chops and the bacon, I was like, okay, what, what’s really going on? So nevertheless, over time I asked questions and he never taught me from the Quran or the Bible. He would just go through regular books and he would show, you know, the relevancy of just life in general.

[00:03:37] Sister Nayyirah: And slowly but surely, he was introducing to us. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad. 

[00:03:42]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:43] Sister Nayyirah: And so that happened for a lot of years. And then one day, well in time, a period of time I was going through a divorce and I was pregnant and it was very traumatic for me. Mm-hmm. I was very young. I, um, I [00:04:00] withdrew from the family because of the tr the trauma that I was experiencing.

[00:04:04] Sister Nayyirah: And my mother was really trying to get me in communication with her, the family, and these things simply because I was pregnant and I got counseled by a minister in the Nation of Islam named Brother James. 

[00:04:17]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:18] Sister Nayyirah: And I was just like crying and really just didn’t wanna talk. And he said this, he said, you know, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches that whatever is happening with the mother is actually going down into the baby.

[00:04:32] Sister Nayyirah: So we should allow her to just have her space in that moment. As a person that really didn’t know a lot about the nation, wasn’t really going to join the nation, it resonated and it actually saved me from the trauma that I was going through. And actually what I learned in that moment, my child was going through and [00:05:00] I got up and I went in the bathroom and I prayed and asked God to save me and my baby.

[00:05:05] Sister Nayyirah: And that was, I would say, is when I accepted the teachings. But there’s a process that you have to go through to actually join that. That didn’t happen until a few years later. Mm-hmm. But it was that moment. It was that word that I can say. That’s how my journey really began for myself. And then throughout time, maybe a few years later, I actually joined the nation of this arm, and that began my journey.

[00:05:30] Sister Nayyirah: Within two months, I was put in a leadership position because I’m just. So 

[00:05:36] Brad: Kent, Kent confirm. Wow. 

[00:05:38] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So, um, and just being my natural self and yeah. So they put me in a, in a leadership position over the women’s class. I pretty much was self-taught in the beginning because there wasn’t a lot of like, training like official mm-hmm.

[00:05:53] Sister Nayyirah: Back then. Mm-hmm. It was like a lot of just hands-on training and because I loved the people and I loved the [00:06:00] message, like the message was very transforming. Mm-hmm. Right. I mean, just think about it here is I was at that time maybe about 25. Mm-hmm. I lived a pretty, like, rough life, you know, out in the streets.

[00:06:12] Sister Nayyirah: Not industries, like industries, but, you know, I have my things right. Mm-hmm. And, um, just being young, I was a mother of at that time, three. Mm-hmm. And somebody is gonna teach me how to cook, how to clean, you know? Husband, and like that was so far away from my mind. I’m like, period. Uhuh, no. However, you know, going into the nation, it was just a transforming process.

[00:06:39] Sister Nayyirah: Just understanding my value as a woman because a lot of emphasis was placed on that. Mm. So from there, that’s what, you know, really translate. Oh, that’s so 

[00:06:49] Brad: beautiful. 

[00:06:49] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:50] Aaron: Gosh, I have so many questions already. Yeah. Okay. So, so first I, I just want to comment on the teachings, which included to, you know, protect the mother [00:07:00] because the mother and the, and the baby have this connection that it will, that will, those days will affect the child.

[00:07:06] Aaron: And it, I mean, I’m, I’m not part of the nation. Mm-hmm. But, uh, in Dianetics, that is a, yeah, that is a, a huge, that is a huge topic in there. 

[00:07:15] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:15] Aaron: Yeah. And I think it coincides very closely. Mm-hmm. And I, I just find that incredible. Mm-hmm. How, how that, I mean, that’s, that was like what I didn’t even know.

[00:07:24] Aaron: Yeah. So I guess, um, there’s, I just wanna comment and we have to get into that, but like, what is this process of joining? You said like there’s a process of joining. 

[00:07:33] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:34] Aaron: Like, you drop that and then like, skip over it. I’m like, what, what’s, what, what happened there? 

[00:07:38] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So basically you have to go through like an orientation class and you have to write what we call a Savior’s letter to be accepted into the ranks.

[00:07:47] Sister Nayyirah: And once that happens, if it accepted, then you go through another process and then basically you’re accepted and then that’s it. 

[00:07:54] Aaron: And, and the savior letter is what? Like what you, what, what is that? 

[00:07:57] Sister Nayyirah: I would liken that to, [00:08:00] um, how in the Orthodox religion is like, you’re a shahadah. It’s like you, you accept, you accept that you want the teachings, right?

[00:08:10] Sister Nayyirah: You accept that you’re gonna live your life. Uh, 

[00:08:14] Brad: yeah. And you’re saying orthodox Islam. 

[00:08:16] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So it’s like you, you bear witness that there is no God but Allah. 

[00:08:20] Brad: Mm. 

[00:08:20] Sister Nayyirah: And Muhammad is his messenger. 

[00:08:22] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:08:22] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So that’s a form of acceptance, right? Yeah. So in the nation of Islam, you are accepting that Allah came in, the person of master for Muhammad, you are accepting and you’re reclaiming, actually, that’s the word.

[00:08:36] Sister Nayyirah: You are reclaiming your own, you’re reclaiming righteousness, you’re reclaiming to learn the principles of just becoming a God. Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:48] Brad: Got it. 

[00:08:48] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. In every sense of the word. 

[00:08:51] Aaron: Yeah, sure. Yeah. Bringing life into this world, 

[00:08:54] Brad: basically. 1, 1, 1 thing that I noticed, um, when, when we had Reverend Freddie Johnson [00:09:00] on 

[00:09:00] Sister Nayyirah: mm-hmm.

[00:09:01] Brad: Is, uh, just one thing that I’ve noticed is people who are. Is Rev a part of the Nation of Islam, or No, he’s not. He, he’s close, he’s closely favorite’s, 

[00:09:11] Sister Nayyirah: like an honor honorary member. 

[00:09:12] Brad: Fine. Makes sense. Mm-hmm. But he’s like, there, there’s just a certain way that I’ve noticed that people who are very close or or part of the Nation of Islam speak and it’s very, I like it.

[00:09:23] Brad: It’s very, um, it’s almost like in the world in general. People are always making themselves wrong. There’s a lot of self invalidation out in the world, and I don’t see any of that in people who are close to, or a part of the nation of Islam. That’s, that’s something that I also see that I like from other Scientologists, is the, the self invalidation is like, Hey, leave that at the door.

[00:09:49] Brad: Like, we don’t do that here. You know? Can, can you, can you speak to like what that was like for you in terms of that change? 

[00:09:58] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. Yes. [00:10:00] So the most honor with Elijah Muhammad says, accept your own and be yourself. What is your own self? A righteous Muslim. That’s something you grow into to accept your own.

[00:10:12] Sister Nayyirah: Accept who you are. Be yourself. Right? So there it is. At that point, once you accept that, now you start to transform into that. You begin to understand that you are not of this world. You may be in the world, but you’re not of it. Right? And that’s a Christian biblical term that I actually got an opportunity to put into practice.

[00:10:37] Sister Nayyirah: So yes, that’s when the self invalidation starts to leave, because now it’s a training reprogramming of the mind. 

[00:10:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:10:47] Sister Nayyirah: Right? And so, and there’s so many more, right? But just accepting that I have worth, I have a value. I have a place in this world. I have a place in my home. Right. 

[00:10:59] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:59] Sister Nayyirah: I have a place [00:11:00] with my children.

[00:11:00] Sister Nayyirah: I have a place with you. Yeah. With with man and mankind. Right. So I have a place, and it’s not in the backseat, 

[00:11:09] Brad: so Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. 

[00:11:10] Sister Nayyirah: So, yeah, absolutely. 

[00:11:12] Brad: That’s amazing. 

[00:11:12] Aaron: Brilliant. And so, and, and after you get started and a, after that, like the, the teachings, like I’m, I’m, I’m just very curious mm-hmm.

[00:11:22] Aaron: You guys, you know, learning all these things that you say, you, you do the, the student ministry and you’re, you’re learning different things. How, how much does that involve the, the Quran? How much does that involve? Like, where do the other teachings come from if it’s not directly based in that scripture?

[00:11:38] Aaron: Like how, how is it? I’m just, I just, you 

[00:11:41] Sister Nayyirah: know what I mean? Yeah, no, it’s totally fine. So yes, everything, every day is a daily practice of reading the Holy Quran, studying from the Holy Quran, reciting the Holy Quran, talking about the Holy Quran in all of the other books that was given to us by the most honorable Elijah Muhammad.

[00:11:57] Sister Nayyirah: The Honorable Minnesota Lewis Fire Company. Right. Which [00:12:00] everything comes from our founder master for Muhammad. So there’s books. It’s like a lot of different books. Um, message to the Black Man in America, our savior has arrived. You know, it’s just Porch Life for America, fall of America, you know, so it’s so much final call.

[00:12:18]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:18] Sister Nayyirah: But it’s, it’s always, uh, a discipline to study. Like you study every single day. We have meetings five times a week, so the men have a training class on Mondays. The women have a training class on Saturdays, then you have your Sunday class, then you have your Wednesday class, and you have your Friday class self-improvement.

[00:12:40] Sister Nayyirah: So yeah, you always, you know, it’s like being on course. Mm-hmm. You go, you going in every day almost. Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so that’s how it comes about. 

[00:12:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. And is that, is that part of like. You choose to go, sometimes you go Always. Like how, 

[00:12:55] Sister Nayyirah: I mean, 

[00:12:55] Aaron: I mean like, ’cause here, if you’re on a course, you might finish a course, it might be off a little bit.

[00:12:58] Aaron: Come back. Yeah. Like is it kind of [00:13:00] similar in a way where you, you choose some studies or you’re there 

[00:13:04] Sister Nayyirah: Well, it’s set up 

[00:13:05] Aaron: period. 

[00:13:06] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So, um, it’s set up because remember we are retraining ourselves. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. We coming out of this world into a world of righteousness. Mm-hmm. So what you put in is what you get out.

[00:13:18] Aaron: That’s 

[00:13:18] Sister Nayyirah: right. So you put yourself in the meetings, you’re gonna get more of yourself. 

[00:13:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:22] Sister Nayyirah: So it’s prescribed to go to those five meetings, but if you don’t go to the five meetings, there’s no penalty, you know, from the nation, you know, be a penalty on yourself. ’cause you start having it 

[00:13:32] Aaron: from 

[00:13:32] Sister Nayyirah: yourself.

[00:13:32] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. Right. You start going out and doing other things. Mm-hmm. If you don’t have, you know, something else to do, like I have something else that I do, I’m in the church. Yeah. Right. So it’s not like I’m just out here doing anything. If I miss a meeting, I may be on chorus or I may be in session or whatever, but it’s a balance.

[00:13:49] Sister Nayyirah: Does that make sense? 

[00:13:50] Brad: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, 

[00:13:51] Sister Nayyirah: yeah. But everybody don’t have something else to do. That’s, so if they, that’s missing, they may be doing something else. Well, 

[00:13:56] Brad: and and their other activities are [00:14:00] 

[00:14:00] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[00:14:01] Brad: I mean there’s a lot of other activities. 

[00:14:03] Sister Nayyirah: Activities. It’s a lot of other that activities 

[00:14:04] Brad: not productivity.

[00:14:05] Sister Nayyirah: Exactly. It’s not like 

[00:14:06] Brad: almost endless. 

[00:14:07] Sister Nayyirah: Exactly. So ideally you wanna keep yourself engaged in a process that you want to become. 

[00:14:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:14:14] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:15] Aaron: And so, and now you teach transformation in, in various ways. Mm-hmm. What was the, you know, the biggest transformation or just a big transformation that you had when you, you went in, you started learning the teachings, you started, you know, in involving yourself more deeply.

[00:14:30] Aaron: What changes did you see in yourself? 

[00:14:33] Sister Nayyirah: For me, I wanted it to become a woman of God. I grew up in the church. Um, so I’m, I wasn’t estranged to God, however, to walk with him and have my ethics end. Was a totally new concept because going to church, you just listen to the pastor. 

[00:14:57]  : Yeah. 

[00:14:58] Sister Nayyirah: And whatever the pastor say.[00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. That was a good message. On Sundays, we, but Saturday night, hey, I just came out the club. Right? 

[00:15:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:15:08] Sister Nayyirah: So I’m not down in the church because I had a great experience. My family is of the church, but it didn’t have enough structure for me as a being, right? 

[00:15:19] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:19] Sister Nayyirah: So, coming into the, I had 

[00:15:20] Brad: the same experience.

[00:15:21] Sister Nayyirah: You had the same, okay, good. 

[00:15:22] Brad: Exactly the same 

[00:15:22] Sister Nayyirah: experience. So, you know, 

[00:15:24] Brad: I was like, is there more that I can do? 

[00:15:25] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. Yeah. So I had the word, but I didn’t have the discipline mm-hmm. To be a disciple. So, for me, joining the nation gave me structure. 

[00:15:35] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:35] Sister Nayyirah: It gave me discipline, self-imposed di discipline. Right.

[00:15:39] Sister Nayyirah: It gave me community where, you know, you have a, a whole bunch of people trying to do the same thing to bring in a new world. That was the difference. The language was different. 

[00:15:51]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:52] Sister Nayyirah: So my language evolved to building a new civilization, a new world, a kingdom right [00:16:00] here on Earth. That, you know, it’s tangible.

[00:16:02] Sister Nayyirah: You don’t have to wait until you die. Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I started living my life in the now and not waiting till I go some other place. Mm-hmm. To have life and life more ab abundantly. 

[00:16:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:16:14] Sister Nayyirah: And so that was one of my biggest transformation and to be honest, to be loyal to my husband. 

[00:16:19] Brad: Yeah. Mm.

[00:16:21] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a big change. That’s a big change. 

[00:16:25] Sister Nayyirah: That was, you know, prior too. So, you know, so to be a mom, to be, I mean, really like making my home, my base, yeah. Mm-hmm. Is not necessarily my place, but it’s my base to honor that, to say, Hey, I’m a wife, I’m a mother. I wanna take care of my house, wanna take care of my children and still go out in the world and be this.

[00:16:47] Sister Nayyirah: This phenomenal woman. 

[00:16:48] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:49] Sister Nayyirah: But I don’t just, I’m not just a phenomenal woman of the world. I’m a phenomenal woman that’s building a new civilization. 

[00:16:55] Brad: Mm-hmm. What are, so, I, I, there’s, uh, [00:17:00] what are like the goals of the nation of Islam in terms of like a, a new civilization, like a, the, the kingdom on earth that the nation is aiming to, to build and that, and that you’re contributing to.

[00:17:12] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. So the, the honorable Minister Louis Farka says, A strong family is the foundation for a great nation. 

[00:17:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:17:21] Sister Nayyirah: So to bring the family unit back together 

[00:17:23] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:17:24] Sister Nayyirah: To have the structure, you know, in the Bible, one Corinthians chapter 11, there’s a structure. 

[00:17:29]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:30] Sister Nayyirah: Most people don’t know that, or maybe they don’t honor it or what, whatever.

[00:17:34] Sister Nayyirah: So you have God, men, women, children. Right. Let’s bring the household back in order. Because everything starts at home and then spread abroad. So if we can perfect a household, then we can go and build communities and countries and those things. So it’s, the goal is, is to get the man to stand back up and get the woman to stand up and bring that family unit back together and give [00:18:00] these three basic principles, knowledge of self.

[00:18:02] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:02] Sister Nayyirah: Knowledge of God and the knowledge of others. 

[00:18:05] Brad: Mm, mm-hmm. Wow. That’s great. You know, as you’re talking, there’s like so many, I, I want to keep going on your, your story mm-hmm. Because it’s, it’s so good, but there’s so many parallels between 

[00:18:19]  : what’s what, what 

[00:18:20] Brad: absolutely. The nation, what the, what the Nation of Islam is about and what Scientology is about.

[00:18:25] Brad: I’m like, this is like 

[00:18:27] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:18:28] Brad: It’s eerily, it’s eerily similar. 

[00:18:30] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:18:30] Brad: Right? 

[00:18:31] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:18:31] Brad: Um. I just like everything you’re saying, I’m like, okay, sell like literally like three universes. 

[00:18:38] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:38] Brad: There’s the physical universe. 

[00:18:40] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:40] Brad: Your universe and the other guy’s universe. Absolutely. That’s a, that’s an, that’s not a quote Scientology concept.

[00:18:45] Brad: That’s Scientology concept. 

[00:18:46] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:46] Brad: That’s almost exactly what you just said. 

[00:18:48] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:18:49] Brad: I’m like, what? 

[00:18:51] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. And that’s why I love Yeah. The teachings and the technology Minister Farrakhan actually say the Supreme Wisdom, which is a technology of [00:19:00] the nation and the supreme technology, the same supreme wisdom and the supreme technology.

[00:19:05] Sister Nayyirah: Mm. That he was gonna marry the two together. Wow. 

[00:19:07]  : Oh wow. 

[00:19:08] Sister Nayyirah: Right. The Nation of Islam and the Church of Scientology together. 

[00:19:11]  : Yeah. 

[00:19:11] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So we’re allies of one another. 

[00:19:14]  : Yeah. 

[00:19:14] Sister Nayyirah: And as a student follower of the Honorable Minister Lewis Farrakhan and studying the technology of l Ron Hubbard, Mr. El Ron Hubbard, I find the parallel.

[00:19:25] Sister Nayyirah: It doesn’t take anything away from who I am. That’s why I love Scientology. Mm-hmm. Because it’s helping me to apply my religion. 

[00:19:33]  : Mm. 

[00:19:34] Sister Nayyirah: It’s helping me to become a better Muslim. It’s helping me to become a better mother, a friend, a wife, and all the other things that I do because it breaks everything down in simplicity.

[00:19:46]  : Mm-hmm. For me. Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:46] Sister Nayyirah: And others. Right. So we can have this whole body of knowledge and we do in the Nation of Islam. We’re just be perfecting it because now we’re learning more in simplicity with the technology of [00:20:00] Mr. El Ron Hubbard of how to apply it and make the word flesh. 

[00:20:04] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:04]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:05] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:20:06] Aaron: Yeah.

[00:20:06] Aaron: What, what I find so interesting right, is you’ve probably done a few courses in Scientology on how to study. Yes, 

[00:20:14] Sister Nayyirah: absolutely. 

[00:20:15] Aaron: Good. Just, just to make sure we all know, ’cause that is like. And just to be clear, so the guys who don’t know here 

[00:20:21] Sister Nayyirah: mm-hmm. 

[00:20:21] Aaron: This is not on how to study Scientology, correct? No. 

[00:20:24] Sister Nayyirah: Oh yeah.

[00:20:24] Sister Nayyirah: No. 

[00:20:25] Aaron: This is to study anything. 

[00:20:26] Sister Nayyirah: Study anything. 

[00:20:27] Aaron: So what is, how has your understanding been of the teachings of, 

[00:20:32] Brad: that’s a great question. 

[00:20:33] Aaron: You know, the Quran and the Honorable Minister Farhan and Far Mohamad, right? Farah, Elijah, okay. 

[00:20:41] Sister Nayyirah: Ma Mohamad. Ma 

[00:20:43] Aaron: Far Mohammad. 

[00:20:43] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:44] Aaron: How has it changed now that you can understand the words, do the, the, the learnings and, and go into a different, a different, uh, level?

[00:20:52] Aaron: How has it changed been for you? 

[00:20:55] Sister Nayyirah: That’s exciting. Okay. ’cause you, you see the words are about to come out. 

[00:20:58] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:21:00] yeah. 

[00:21:00] Sister Nayyirah: Um, well, the minister calls us students. 

[00:21:03] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:04] Sister Nayyirah: And it was me studying the student hat. 

[00:21:06]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:07] Sister Nayyirah: That actually helped me to understand how to be a student. Oh my 

[00:21:10]  : God.

[00:21:10] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. So now I do not read the Quran. I don’t read nothing without thoroughly clearing my words. 

[00:21:17]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:17] Sister Nayyirah: And. Not going past a word that I don’t understand or miss, you know, or maybe I wanna know a little bit more of this concept or the context of which I’m reading. So studying Mr. Hubbard’s student hat mm-hmm.

[00:21:34] Sister Nayyirah: And learning how to learn in all of those things has helped me to become a better student on how to learn and apply my religion. 

[00:21:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:43] Sister Nayyirah: And not just recite from memory. ’cause we do a lot of recitals. 

[00:21:48] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And obviously there’s, there’s like, there, there’s things that you should know from memory.

[00:21:54] Brad: Mm-hmm. Like, there’s things which are useful to be like, okay, what, what, boom. Mm-hmm. Like, things, things to remember, [00:22:00] but getting really the actual, like understanding and being able to apply. 

[00:22:04]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:04] Brad: That, that was one thing that, for, for me, I was recently doing a course mm-hmm. And I realized, um, basically that I, I needed to actually clear up the word student.

[00:22:17] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. Like I actually, I actually looked up all the definitions of the word student and went through ’em and made sentences and did, you know, did all the things. And then I, I, I was, I think I was looking at the, like the, the origin of the word student, and it was like, for some reason it was like that, that application piece mm-hmm.

[00:22:34] Brad: Really hit me of like, someone who learns and then applies, does, creates an effect. And I realized that I had been sitting here, I, I’d been done several Scientology courses, like met like a lot. Mm-hmm. I spent a lot of time in the classroom. 

[00:22:47]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:47] Brad: And the whole time I had been sitting on disagreeing with the idea that I was even a student.

[00:22:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. Because I had thought previously to that, that it was just somebody who collects information and then sits 

[00:22:58] Sister Nayyirah: mm-hmm. 

[00:22:59] Brad: Like with [00:23:00] doing nothing with it. 

[00:23:00]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:00] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:01] Brad: You know? 

[00:23:02] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. I got 

[00:23:02] Brad: it. And then when I got like the application, I was like, oh my gosh. Wow. 

[00:23:06] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:07] Brad: I actually agree with this.

[00:23:08] Sister Nayyirah: Agreed. 

[00:23:08] Aaron: I love, I love the idea that you guys are all students. Yeah. It’s beautiful. And that you call yourself students because it’s unfortunate. There’s, there’s a statistic. Something like 85% of people that graduate college will have read their last book. 

[00:23:24]  : Oh. Mm. 

[00:23:24] Aaron: Really? It’s, it’s insane. The, the number is a stack.

[00:23:27] Aaron: There’s a crazy number where like you read and they cramm they get crammed this stuff in the college. 

[00:23:31]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:31] Aaron: Right. The college, whatever, those institutions, they, they get this information and they despise it so much and they don’t understand it. They don’t use it. And they finish and they go, I’ve studied enough for my life.

[00:23:42] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, 

[00:23:42] Aaron: wow. And that’s the last time they study. 

[00:23:43] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, wow. 

[00:23:44] Aaron: And so they’re now a graduate. Yeah. That doesn’t need to study. 

[00:23:47] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, wow. 

[00:23:47] Aaron: So I think it’s just an incredible teaching. Even just, just just by the name. Yes. Just student minister. 

[00:23:52] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[00:23:53] Aaron: Student anything. Because you’re continuing to learn and you’re not afraid of looking at information.

[00:23:58] Aaron: Which is, which is [00:24:00] incredible. 

[00:24:00] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:24:00] Sister Nayyirah: absolutely. And for me. It keeps me humble. 

[00:24:03] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:04] Brad: Yep. 

[00:24:04] Sister Nayyirah: Right. That I can always learn something from anywhere or anybody, including a child. 

[00:24:10] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:10] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So, yes. Yeah, it just keeps me humble. 

[00:24:13] Brad: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:14] Aaron: So how, how did it start that you got introduced to the technology of genetics, Scientology, this, uh, you’re in the nation, you have no idea what the, I guess you don’t know what that stuff is and how does that connect?

[00:24:30] Aaron: How, how did this all happen? 

[00:24:32] Sister Nayyirah: Okay, so here’s the journey. So the Honorable Minister Lewis Fire Con, back in 2010, may, he called all of his laborers. And at that time I was in the executive position of student MGT Captain, which means Muslim girls training in general civilization class. He called us all to Chicago and he rolled out this whole thing about Dynetics.

[00:24:56] Sister Nayyirah: And I mean, that was a whole rollout. So that’s like [00:25:00] eight hours of just. Putting it there of what he needed, what he wanted, what it was. Now, there was a group that went before all of us. Mm-hmm. And that was like his top, top executives. Mm-hmm. So it was already in the play, you know, maybe months or a year or so before it actually came to the rest of the laborers.

[00:25:19] Sister Nayyirah: Mm. Across the nation. Um, so when he introduced it to us and he was selective of how many people he wanted to try this. 

[00:25:29]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:30] Sister Nayyirah: Now, in the initial selection, I wasn’t selected. So, um, it was like other officials. So, however, I think it was like a day or two, he was like, okay, a directive came down that we can go to local class five orgs.

[00:25:46] Sister Nayyirah: And so we did. And just to make a long story short, we went through across the country, um, different mos, different study groups. All of the top officials, the elect laborers went in and we studied [00:26:00] genetics. I was of the first 155 laborers to complete. 

[00:26:05] Brad: Mm. 

[00:26:06] Sister Nayyirah: And then there was another graduation. And where, 

[00:26:08] Aaron: where did you go there?

[00:26:08] Sister Nayyirah: Tampa. 

[00:26:09] Aaron: Tampa. 

[00:26:10] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. Okay. Really? Yes. And Miss, that’s where I started. You did? Yeah. That’s 

[00:26:14] Brad: where you started too. Yeah. 

[00:26:15] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:26:15] Sister Nayyirah: That true, that’s 

[00:26:15] Aaron: true. 

[00:26:16] Brad: Oh my gosh. 

[00:26:16] Sister Nayyirah: And then, um, during that time, this is a pleasure moment. Me the Honorable missiles for concept. We was the boss. ’cause we did so well. Yeah. It actually brought him to, um, Tampa.

[00:26:27] Sister Nayyirah: However, um, within that time period, after the first 1 55, then there was like 1500 And 

[00:26:33] Aaron: until you graduated, what did you graduate? 

[00:26:35] Sister Nayyirah: Dianetics 

[00:26:37] Aaron: as an auditor. And the book of the Hubbard Tics Auditor course? Yes. Okay. So you can deliver, you’re delivery, you’re getting people through delivery supervisor, their, their painful memories, getting ’em through, getting to be happy.

[00:26:45] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. And then so after that, we all got called to Chicago and we had the largest coot, from what I understand mm-hmm. In the history of coeds. Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:56] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:26:56] Sister Nayyirah: And yeah. So, um, and that was pretty cool. 

[00:26:59] Aaron: And [00:27:00] so, so when you, I’ve seen some few pictures. If you have more, I’d love to see, see, you can have one.

[00:27:05] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:27:06] Aaron: But could you walk me through, so you, so you’re, you, you get called in and you say, Hey, well actually you can go, is it, is it, you can go or like, can you, can you can, it’s, it’s a choice. So you, you can check this out and see what you think and, and what, when this would happen, what was going through your mind at that time?

[00:27:26] Sister Nayyirah: Well, let’s just say this. If the Honorable miss was Farkin asked you to do something mm-hmm. That is an instruction. 

[00:27:34] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:27:36] Sister Nayyirah: I mean, yeah, there’s no compulsion. Yes. But if the Honorable Minister, Louis Farka ask you to do something mm-hmm. Then you do it. Mm-hmm. Right. So that’s respect for him and our way.

[00:27:48] Sister Nayyirah: So there was, for me, there was no choice. Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:51]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:52] Sister Nayyirah: I was going in, okay. So I was going in and I went in. Obedience. 

[00:27:58]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:58] Sister Nayyirah: I didn’t know [00:28:00] that I was going to handle a 10 year grief ruin. Wow. That I had. Now I’m a daddy’s girl. 

[00:28:07]  : Yeah. 

[00:28:07] Sister Nayyirah: This is my story with genetics. My daddy’s girl, my daddy dropped his body in 2001.

[00:28:13]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:13] Sister Nayyirah: When I was very young in the nation, like within my first year. 

[00:28:17]  : Wow. 

[00:28:17] Brad: Oh wow. 

[00:28:18] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. And I’m in leadership and when we know about Dianetics and what happened, when people give you command phrases, a lady walked up to me and she says, stop all that crying. She hugged me and she said it in my ear. 

[00:28:33]  : Oh. 

[00:28:34] Sister Nayyirah: I was stuck there.

[00:28:35]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:36] Sister Nayyirah: So I turned the cry outwardly into a silent cry, not knowing this. 

[00:28:41]  : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:42] Sister Nayyirah: And so now I’m masking pain for 10 years to the date. Okay. Wow. Masking pain. Um, I became physically ill. 

[00:28:52]  : Mm-hmm. I 

[00:28:52] Sister Nayyirah: was. Quote, unquote, diagnosed with, uh, fibromyalgia. 

[00:28:56]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:56] Sister Nayyirah: Back then. Um, and every time my [00:29:00] dad’s birthday or his transition date would come, I would cry.

[00:29:03] Sister Nayyirah: I would get physically sick for like a couple of years, I mean weeks. Excuse me. And I was just a mess. Mm-hmm. But nobody knew that. ’cause I had a great social veneer. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. I had a great mask. Right. So, yeah. Just looking at me, you wouldn’t have known that, but my family knew and, you know, there were certain things that would happen that I couldn’t participate in.

[00:29:25] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:25] Sister Nayyirah: And so here it is, 

[00:29:27] Brad: because if you participated it would, it, 

[00:29:28] Sister Nayyirah: it would just, I would be 

[00:29:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:29:30] Sister Nayyirah: Keep, I would be right back in the incident. Right? 

[00:29:32] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:29:33] Sister Nayyirah: And so I couldn’t recall a memory of my dad without crying in pain. Wow. Wow. Like nothing. It could be a good memory. I could not 

[00:29:41] Brad: Yep. 

[00:29:42] Sister Nayyirah: Recall my heart would get heavy.

[00:29:44] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So I imagine living with that for 10 years, imagine that, right? Mm-hmm. So. Here is this man who I love so much. He’s asking us to do something for him, but not me not knowing I’m about to be [00:30:00] relieved. Mm-hmm. So I go in, 

[00:30:02] Brad: wow. 

[00:30:03] Sister Nayyirah: And I have my very first session. I cannot make this up. One session of Dianes blew 10 years of grief.

[00:30:16] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:30:16] Sister Nayyirah: For me, how did I measure that? I felt really good and it was something else connected to that, and that was fine. I didn’t know the magnitude of what happened until my dad’s birthday came and I was in the classroom. 

[00:30:35]  : Wow. 

[00:30:37] Sister Nayyirah: I was in the classroom. 

[00:30:38]  : Mm-hmm. Wow. 

[00:30:39] Sister Nayyirah: And I knew there was a change. There was a shift.

[00:30:45] Sister Nayyirah: My whole world changed and I was relieved in. It was like I was in a bubble and I popped out. 

[00:30:51] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:30:52] Sister Nayyirah: I could see life. I could breathe again. I could love again. I can, you know, I can enjoy the family. ’cause I was honestly [00:31:00] like, I didn’t know this mm-hmm. Until I went through many different sessions to be relieved.

[00:31:05] Sister Nayyirah: But I was like mad with God. 

[00:31:08] Brad: Oh, 

[00:31:09] Sister Nayyirah: and IC makes false sense. You understand? It’s like, sure, sure, sure. Why did you take mm-hmm. My debt outta everybody on the planet. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. But I, who could voice that? How would you really know that? So this, this technology helped me to erase and eradicate all of that, that I can be free and present and so.

[00:31:30] Sister Nayyirah: Oh wow. I took on Dianetics life. Oh, I’m the empress now. I’m like, everybody gotta have it. Yeah. Everybody has to have dianetics. 

[00:31:40]  : Yeah. 

[00:31:40] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. And I just went there and I, because I didn’t believe that there was help for me. 

[00:31:45]  : Wow. 

[00:31:45] Sister Nayyirah: And because mm-hmm. I seen my family members on drugs and pills and all of these things.

[00:31:53] Sister Nayyirah: Innately, I didn’t wanna go that route. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I didn’t know about the psych industry. I didn’t know anything. All I knew is I needed to be [00:32:00] present for my children, so I didn’t wanna be laid up in the bed. Mm-hmm. And taking pills and trust me, there was enough things prescribed, but I just had this awareness like, nah, I’m not gonna do that.

[00:32:10] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So I was always looking for alternative solutions, like massage therapy and, you know, all of these things trying and I received some relief, but this, this, 

[00:32:20] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:32:22] Sister Nayyirah: Took it completely away. 

[00:32:24] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:32:25] Sister Nayyirah: So 

[00:32:25] Aaron: amazing. 

[00:32:26] Sister Nayyirah: That’s how I got in on day one. Oh, day one. And that, that is what Minister Farrakhan brought me in because of what I was doing with Dianes.

[00:32:38] Sister Nayyirah: And he said to me, because of your obedience, you found what I found. 

[00:32:44] Brad: Wow. Oh wow. 

[00:32:47] Sister Nayyirah: And this was like years later, years, I didn’t even know I was on his radar. 

[00:32:51]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:52] Sister Nayyirah: But the work caught his attention. 

[00:32:55] Brad: Wow. So he was looking to see who would really like, boom, [00:33:00] take it and do something with it. 

[00:33:00] Sister Nayyirah: Well, I don’t know what he was looking for.

[00:33:02] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. All I know is I showed up.

[00:33:07] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:33:08] Aaron: And, and, and what does that mean? So did you start doing a lot of auditing? You got people into become promotors. What was like, what is that role like? You’ve, now, you’ve found this thing, you are in this group, you’re in this, this, this grassroots moment and. What do you do? Like, what is the actions day to day?

[00:33:26] Sister Nayyirah: Just telling my story. 

[00:33:28] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:28] Sister Nayyirah: Just, you know, I was a new person. This is just from one session now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 

[00:33:35] Brad: yeah. 

[00:33:35] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. So, you know, I have a role in the nation. I’m a student, MGT captain. I feel like I can finally help the women because there was ruins that I didn’t have the answers for. Mm-hmm. So all I knew how to do was put people in session like, okay, you need to get an auditing session.

[00:33:51] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:33:51] Sister Nayyirah: You know, like, that was my go-to. Mm-hmm. And it is still my go-to. 

[00:33:54] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:55] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So, because we do a lot of ministry, you do a lot of counseling, you do a lot of pastoral work. 

[00:33:59] Brad: [00:34:00] Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:00] Sister Nayyirah: We now have the effective solution. 

[00:34:04] Aaron: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:05] Sister Nayyirah: It’s beyond talking. Now you get the person to solve their own problem.

[00:34:09] Sister Nayyirah: That’s empowerment. 

[00:34:10] Aaron: That’s amazing, 

[00:34:11] Brad: right? 

[00:34:11] Yeah. 

[00:34:11] Brad: By definition. 

[00:34:12] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. That’s empowerment, right? Yeah. So I became empowered, empowered people, and yeah. So that’s, that’s what it looked like. Just. Put people in session. And so now I’m doing this as the women. 

[00:34:26]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:27] Sister Nayyirah: You know, ministry. And then it was noticed by other people.

[00:34:30] Sister Nayyirah: This was way before I got Minister Farhan. Mm-hmm. It was like, Hey, you need to, you know, be the regional auditors coordinator. So now I got two hats. Okay. 

[00:34:38]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:39] Sister Nayyirah: And both was growing. Both was expanding, and all I was doing is just getting a book in the hands of the people, getting them on dynetics courses, getting them in session.

[00:34:49]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:49] Sister Nayyirah: And it went from the moss throughout the region. Then it became public, because I’m on social media. 

[00:34:57]  : Yeah. 

[00:34:57] Sister Nayyirah: And I’m talking, I’m just sharing my [00:35:00] wins. 

[00:35:00]  : Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:35:00] Sister Nayyirah: Not knowing that I’m creating an effect. 

[00:35:02]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:03] Sister Nayyirah: And I became a stable datum. 

[00:35:05]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:06] Sister Nayyirah: Across now really kind of like across the globe. Like people that know me or don’t know me, they inbox and they, they know, like if we wanna know anything about Dianetics mm-hmm.

[00:35:16] Sister Nayyirah: Sister Nara. Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:16]  : Yeah. 

[00:35:17] Sister Nayyirah: And then especially during COVID time. I started doing Zoom calls. 

[00:35:21]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:21] Sister Nayyirah: Because I was, well, prior to COVID, I was being called into the orgs 

[00:35:25]  : mm-hmm. 

[00:35:26] Sister Nayyirah: To do Diane seminars and it started in, um, New York Harlem. Well, 

[00:35:31] Brad: mm. 

[00:35:32] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, that’s 

[00:35:32] Brad: so great. 

[00:35:33] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. And I was like, okay, so what am I gonna talk to Harlem about?

[00:35:37] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. And that’s how repaired a black family came. Mm. 

[00:35:40] Brad: That was literally my next question. 

[00:35:41] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[00:35:42] Brad: What, what was the catalyst that, that started your foundation? Mm-hmm. Which was repair of the black family. 

[00:35:46] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So I went to Harlem. Yeah. And I was like, okay, so what am I talking about? Because I was talking about dinette as, you know, just regular.

[00:35:52] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. And then I was like, okay, repair the black family. And that was like a hit. And so it wasn’t a foundation, it wasn’t anything. Is it 

[00:35:59] Brad: something you [00:36:00] said when you were speaking at Harlem during 

[00:36:01] Sister Nayyirah: your summer? I just called the title of the lecture. 

[00:36:03] Brad: Oh, 

[00:36:04] Sister Nayyirah: it was just a lecture. 

[00:36:05] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:36:05] Brad: Yeah. Brilliant. 

[00:36:06] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:07] Sister Nayyirah: Because I was going to Harlem, which is a black org. 

[00:36:09] Brad: Yep. 

[00:36:10] Sister Nayyirah: Black people was there, so it was a lot of black people. So I was like, okay, repair the black family. And what do I use to repair the black family? Genetics. 

[00:36:17]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:18] Sister Nayyirah: And so that’s, that’s awesome. That’s how that came about. And then in COVID, you know, everybody’s shut in place at home and I started doing Zoom calls.

[00:36:29] Sister Nayyirah: So from there it just kind of flourished and that’s how we’ve been able to get so many help, so many people. 

[00:36:34] Aaron: Yeah. That’s great. What are, so what have you seen in the family? Like when you, you bring someone in, they’re having an issue. What results have you seen when, when you’ve introduced somebody, you said, Hey, try dietetics, or, or maybe you either audit them or you get them into a session, or what kind of changes?

[00:36:51] Aaron: Gimme one example of like a result, an impact that you’ve had on someone’s life. 

[00:36:59] Sister Nayyirah: It’s gonna go many [00:37:00] ways here, but I’m gonna start with marriages. Saving marriages. 

[00:37:06]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:07] Sister Nayyirah: Getting people to take more responsibility for their trauma and. The family unit focused The family unit. 

[00:37:15]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:16] Sister Nayyirah: Focused in on mental health.

[00:37:17]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:20] Sister Nayyirah: So that has been, I would say, the most impactful when you have a couple that wants to break up. 

[00:37:28]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:29] Sister Nayyirah: It’s over, it’s done with. But neither one of them took responsibility or accountability for what I call baggage. 

[00:37:37] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:38] Sister Nayyirah: That they never addressed. 

[00:37:40]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:40] Sister Nayyirah: And they’re just taking it out on each other.

[00:37:43] Sister Nayyirah: So let’s get you in a chair and you know, it starts there. Yeah. Starts with this. Yeah. But it, we evolve, right. And start taking other things, but let’s go get in a chair and that’s how that happens. And get them to read the book and do the [00:38:00] course so they can have their own realizations 

[00:38:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:04] Sister Nayyirah: About what’s happening.

[00:38:06] Sister Nayyirah: Another thing that we deal with a lot, my husband and I, is people that. Don’t wanna be here anymore. 

[00:38:14] Brad: Mm. Really? 

[00:38:15] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, yeah. I don’t have the sta before me, but, oh my gosh. Absolutely. 

[00:38:20] Brad: Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:38:22] Sister Nayyirah: Just 

[00:38:22] Brad: so that I understand, people are considering suicide. 

[00:38:24] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. 

[00:38:25] Brad: Wow. 

[00:38:26] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. And not just elders, young people.

[00:38:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:30] Sister Nayyirah: The pressures this world is, it’s crazy. 

[00:38:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:34] Sister Nayyirah: Right. Um, so we, we handle that. 

[00:38:37] Aaron: So can you give a, like a story, an example without a name? 

[00:38:40] Sister Nayyirah: I once had a, a young girl who was a stripper. 

[00:38:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:45] Sister Nayyirah: And she got beat up really, really bad mm-hmm. In the club. 

[00:38:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:49] Sister Nayyirah: And somebody, you know, took all of her money and things and she didn’t wanna be here anymore.

[00:38:55] Sister Nayyirah: Like she got beat. Mm-hmm. Like really bad. 

[00:38:58] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:59] Sister Nayyirah: [00:39:00] And I got her in session and from that one session she came out of the club and she’s now rn. 

[00:39:09] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:39:10] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:10] Brad: Wow. That’s awesome. Yeah. Amazing. Hell yeah. That’s amazing. That’s really good. 

[00:39:18] Sister Nayyirah: And I mean, and it’s just countless stories. 

[00:39:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:20] Sister Nayyirah: Like, I, I can’t count them all, but what I know is, is we have something effective.

[00:39:26] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:27] Sister Nayyirah: We have something where people can get relief and begin to take responsibility and solve their own problems. 

[00:39:37]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:38] Sister Nayyirah: And, and get to the root cause. And that’s, that’s the thing with the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, he says, you have to go to the root of everything. And so when you’re using Dianetics, it takes you down to basic, basic Yeah.

[00:39:51] Sister Nayyirah: That’s root knowledge. Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:52]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:53] Sister Nayyirah: Of why these things happen. 

[00:39:56]  : Yeah. 

[00:39:56] Sister Nayyirah: So, again, it’s, it’s [00:40:00] effective. My lifestyle is effective because I know that with both, I can make, oh, this world a better place. The Honorable Fire Plan said, we must make our communities a decent and better place to live. Well, what better way to make it decent than helping to create sanity.

[00:40:20] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:22] Sister Nayyirah: Yep. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, 

[00:40:24] Brad: that’s, so this is really inspiring. 

[00:40:28] Sister Nayyirah: Thank you. 

[00:40:28] Yeah, 

[00:40:28] Sister Nayyirah: thank you. 

[00:40:29] Brad: Yeah, it really is. 

[00:40:30] Sister Nayyirah: It’s my life. 

[00:40:32] Brad: Uh, so I, I wanna actually ask a question. You, you brought, uh, Koran with you, right? 

[00:40:36] Sister Nayyirah: I did. 

[00:40:37] Brad: So, I wanted to ask, what is your, like, what is your favorite piece of wisdom from the Koran? If you had to pick one?

[00:40:45] Brad: I’m sure there’s, I’m sure there’s a lot, but what’s your favorite? 

[00:40:49] Sister Nayyirah: I don’t have a favorite. 

[00:40:50] Brad: Okay. 

[00:40:50] Sister Nayyirah: But I chose one. Okay. Good. Good. You’re good. That is befitting to what we do here. 

[00:40:54] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:55] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. So I’m gonna start out in the name of Allah. Okay. And we say bi, [00:41:00] so it says here in the name of Allah, this is from, so 94.

[00:41:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:03] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. And it’s called the expansion. 

[00:41:06] Brad: The expansion, 

[00:41:07] Sister Nayyirah: yes. 

[00:41:07] Brad: I love that. 

[00:41:08] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So it says in the name of Allah of a deficit and merciful, have we not expanded for the thy breast and removed from the thy burden, which weighed down thy back and exalted for thee dimension. Surely with difficulty is ease and with difficulty is surely ease.

[00:41:27] Sister Nayyirah: So when thou are free from anxiety, work hard and make thou lower th exclusive object. 

[00:41:35] Brad: Mm. 

[00:41:36] Sister Nayyirah: Surely a lot speaks to the truth of all things. So he will remove your burdens. 

[00:41:41] Brad: That’s pretty appropriate. I’m like, wait a minute. Mm-hmm. He said the word anxiety is in that. 

[00:41:46] Sister Nayyirah: Right. The word anxiety. Yeah. So when you are free from anxiety mm-hmm.

[00:41:52] Sister Nayyirah: Work hard and you are going to have difficulty. 

[00:41:57] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:57] Sister Nayyirah: And you’re also going to have ease. 

[00:41:59] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:59] Sister Nayyirah: But [00:42:00] after ease comes difficulty, like it’s the circle. Okay? Yep, yep. So it’s the cycles of life. You’re gonna have some hard times, you’re gonna have some better times. Just make a, make a allow your exclusive object.

[00:42:11] Sister Nayyirah: He’s gonna remove the burdens. 

[00:42:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:14] Sister Nayyirah: Just keep working. 

[00:42:15] Brad: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:16] Sister Nayyirah: Work cheerfully. Fear, not so big expansion. And we’re always expanding. Right? Oh, that’s right in, right. 

[00:42:24] Aaron: And you do something well, okay. Time to work. 

[00:42:27] Sister Nayyirah: Time to work, 

[00:42:27] Aaron: time to get going. 

[00:42:28] Sister Nayyirah: Right. There’s a lot of work to do. Lot of people change.

[00:42:30] Sister Nayyirah: You give a hot act, right, 

[00:42:31] Brad: Uhhuh 

[00:42:32] Sister Nayyirah: And keep it moving. Yeah. Want something 

[00:42:34] Brad: done, give it to a busy man or woman. 

[00:42:35] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. So that’s how my life began. I’m like, why do I have to do all of this stuff? And the more responsible I became, the more I have to do. 

[00:42:44] Brad: That’s right. 

[00:42:45] Sister Nayyirah: And I love doing it with my husband. 

[00:42:47] Aaron: Amazing.

[00:42:49] Aaron: Can, can you, I I, can you clarify or help me understand, um, what is the relationship between, let’s say the Orthodox Islam and [00:43:00] then Nation of Islam? Like, what, what is, what is the relationship so that Koran has been. Used for, for a very, very long time. It’s one of the oldest books that we know of. Mm-hmm. Um, in humankind, as far as I know.

[00:43:12] Aaron: What, what is the relationship there? 

[00:43:14] Sister Nayyirah: Well, Islam is Islam, it’s the universal truth. The universal principles. Mm-hmm. Right. Five guiding principles that no matter what type of Muslim you are, you are going to live by those. Right. And then culturally, that’s what makes the difference, right? Mm-hmm. Because you have the Islam in the east and we are taught Islam in the West.

[00:43:37] Sister Nayyirah: Right. And in the nation of Islam, our founder, he who by the way, is half black and half white. 

[00:43:44]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:44] Sister Nayyirah: Right? But he pulled us out to put us off, to teach us the knowledge of ourselves because we, our history was white wiped out. We didn’t know who we were. We didn’t know our language, our [00:44:00] culture, our religion.

[00:44:01] Sister Nayyirah: We didn’t have those things. Because of our soldier on here in the wilderness of North America, how we got here. Right. How we was made into slaves and all these things. So we was in servitude to others. So he pulled us aside and began to retrain us. You are not someone lesser. Mm-hmm. You are a God. 

[00:44:24]  : Mm-hmm.

[00:44:25] Sister Nayyirah: You are a man, you are a woman. Right. So he began to teach us the love for self. He began to teach us how to go back into the homes and, and all of the things that we learned. So what is the difference? It’s culture. 

[00:44:38] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:44:39] Sister Nayyirah: It’s not the principles, it’s the culture. 

[00:44:43] Aaron: And, and that includes the, the names. Right. So you take the, the name and the history, as you’ve said, you’ve been given the names of the slave masters, 

[00:44:53] Sister Nayyirah: right.

[00:44:53] Sister Nayyirah: So, 

[00:44:54] Aaron: right. And so you guys did something about that. 

[00:44:56] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. So he gave us back our righteous [00:45:00] name. Originally it was X because it was meant unknown. 

[00:45:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:45:04] Sister Nayyirah: We didn’t know who we were. So you get X, it’s unknown. You still, when you come into the nation, you go through a process, you get X because you don’t know your tribe, where you come from.

[00:45:15] Sister Nayyirah: Right. However, uh, there was a lot of us that was given Muhammad and you know, that’s the history behind that. But Minister Farrakhan gave us Muhammad in 97, which means one worthy of praise. Praise much. 

[00:45:29] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:45:30] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So you got a righteous, holy name. And usually the way that’s given is through the savior master for Muhammad the most, a obliged Muhammad.

[00:45:38] Sister Nayyirah: And now Minister Far crime gives you a righteous name. 

[00:45:42] Aaron: Mm-hmm. That’s great. So it’s the opposite of invalidation. 

[00:45:46] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s right. That’s right. Mm-hmm. I’m, I’m like sitting here having, this happens almost with anybody we talk to, but it’s happening a lot today. I’m literally like realizing things as you’re talking.

[00:45:56] Brad: I. Oh, wow. I’ve heard this. Like that’s, you know, [00:46:00] one thing that I realized as as you were talking is, so in Scientology there’s a, there’s a principle about conflict. 

[00:46:08]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:08] Brad: And it’s the third party principle. 

[00:46:10]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:10] Brad: And it’s that the, the, the concept is in order for a conflict to occur between two people, parties, nations, whatever 

[00:46:18]  : mm-hmm.

[00:46:18] Brad: Religions. 

[00:46:19]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:19] Brad: There has to be a hidden unknown Absolutely. Third party that’s basically giving false reports to each of the others. Mm-hmm. Getting them to be antagonistic to each other. 

[00:46:29]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:29] Brad: It occurred to me that there is, uh, you know, like you just look at the news media for example, there, like, it just occurred to me that there’s probably been a good amount of third party between 

[00:46:43] Sister Nayyirah: absolutely.

[00:46:44] Brad: Christian people in America and Muslim people in America. 

[00:46:48] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:48] Brad: And. And really it goes for all faiths, but there’s kind of actually just a third party between all of the different faiths. That’s just getting them all to be like at each other, just at each [00:47:00] other on social media and in all these different places, when in reality, a lot of us kind of all believe the, the same I’m, I’m working on, I’m not gonna curse the same stuff.

[00:47:11] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. You know, 

[00:47:12] Brad: like kids, like 

[00:47:14] Sister Nayyirah: I love Minister Farrakhan because he says wherever truth is, that’s where you belong. Truth is your birthright. What is truth, right? 

[00:47:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:47:25] Sister Nayyirah: What is truth? Truth is obedience to that. What you believe is right, right. What’s true for you is true for you. Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:34] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:35] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. So yeah, that’s helped me to identify.

[00:47:41] Sister Nayyirah: The third parties, you know, in my everyday life and not be so general and so broad. Yes, things did happen on a massive level and I was more at the effect of what was happening every day. 

[00:47:57]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:57] Sister Nayyirah: Than the things that has happened. On a massive level. [00:48:00] Yes, I’ve experienced the encounters of what happened to us as a whole race.

[00:48:05]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:06] Sister Nayyirah: I got it. And that’s real. And to be able to come back into the knowledge of myself and you know, the knowledge of God and the knowledge of others, the knowledge of the enemy and all of that, but to actually know how to find that in my everyday life, that’s what helped me to flourish and prosper.

[00:48:27] Sister Nayyirah: That’s where the transformation came in. This is where, you know, I can help my family and help my friends, and help my nation and help the people because. You could, it’s an answer for everything you could find. 

[00:48:40]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:41] Sister Nayyirah: What the real deal is. 

[00:48:42]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:43] Sister Nayyirah: You know, I’ve learned is people don’t care about how much, you know, they wanna know how much you care.

[00:48:48]  : Yeah. 

[00:48:49] Sister Nayyirah: And if you can help people to get into a space where they can take care of themselves, my God, that’s [00:49:00] transformation. 

[00:49:00] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:49:01] Sister Nayyirah: And so, I’m grateful for the technology of Mr. Hubbard because he gets you to look for yourself. That’s the reward. 

[00:49:09]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:10] Sister Nayyirah: I get to see it for myself. You know, I love my teachers, my teacher, the Honorable Minister Louis Farhan, wants me to take responsibility so that I can be a greater helper for him.

[00:49:24]  : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:25] Sister Nayyirah: Right. Jesus says this, you know, pick up your cross, deny yourself and come follow me. We have to pick up our own struggles. That’s what the cross represents. 

[00:49:39]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:40] Sister Nayyirah: Deny the things that you would do that would keep you unethical, keep you, you know, outta luck with God and you know, righteous ways and being a good person.

[00:49:49] Sister Nayyirah: Deny that. Come follow him. He was like a great example of what it looks like to be ethical. 

[00:49:58] Brad: Mm-hmm. [00:50:00] 

[00:50:00] Sister Nayyirah: That’s the example of the world. 

[00:50:01] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:02] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. You know, most people know. So yeah. I’m trying to follow Christ. 

[00:50:05] Brad: Yeah. I love it. Beautiful. So what is, what is the, like from, from where you are now, you know, here end of 2025, what’s, what’s the future that you’re looking like?

[00:50:17] Brad: What are you looking to accomplish in the next 10, 15, 20, like decades long? What’s like the real, like top goal for you 

[00:50:28] Sister Nayyirah: to see? Same families 

[00:50:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:30] Sister Nayyirah: For generations. 

[00:50:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:32] Sister Nayyirah: And my immediate goal is to get my own center where people can come in and it looks like our culture. 

[00:50:41] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:42] Sister Nayyirah: Right. Because it doesn’t, it starts, it starts with us, but it’s not limited to us.

[00:50:47] Sister Nayyirah: But I would say every culture need a person that they can relate to. 

[00:50:51] Brad: That’s right. 

[00:50:52] Sister Nayyirah: People can relate to me. ’cause I come from, I come from this. 

[00:50:55] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:55] Sister Nayyirah: You know, this life, you know, starting from the bottom, now I’m here. 

[00:50:59] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:51:00] yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:51:02] Sister Nayyirah: Right. 

[00:51:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:51:03] Sister Nayyirah: And I can speak the language. I understand how ruin is.

[00:51:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:51:07] Sister Nayyirah: And I can connect and I’m relatable and everybody around me is the same. Right? Yeah. So I wanna center where people can come in and get the best of both worlds. And we really make a change for the future generations. And it starts here in Florida, but it’s in every state around the country that there’s a ideal scene.

[00:51:31] Sister Nayyirah: That we can get the tech and the teachings for the salvation of our people. 

[00:51:37] Brad: That’s beautiful. 

[00:51:38] Aaron: Amazing. Now what do you, what do you see is the ruin, the thing that’s really messing people up? You know, you mentioned a few times like the ruins of, uh, what is it that you’re seeing right now when you, when you meet people, you know, what is that the, the big problems right now, 

[00:51:57] Sister Nayyirah: the button right now is mental [00:52:00] health.

[00:52:00] Sister Nayyirah: People are stuck. Like literally, if you just listen to the language of the people, they’re talking from the past. Mm-hmm. What they used to do, what they did, ha have, you know, they don’t know how to solve problems in present time. 

[00:52:19]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:19] Sister Nayyirah: Like, I deal with that all the time. People are stuck in the trauma 

[00:52:25]  : mm-hmm.

[00:52:26] Sister Nayyirah: Of what happened to them. Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:28]  : And that’s. 

[00:52:29] Sister Nayyirah: I, I have, I can relate to that, but there’s a way out, there is a way out that’s not social because there’s a lot of social engineering. 

[00:52:38]  : Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:52:38] Sister Nayyirah: Social media makes life just looks fantastic. 

[00:52:42]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:43] Sister Nayyirah: Right. But when you get in real communication with people 

[00:52:46]  : mm-hmm.

[00:52:47] Sister Nayyirah: They don’t have answers of the current problems that they’re having in present times. They’re still dealing with the problems of the past. 

[00:52:56]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:56] Sister Nayyirah: Victimhood, a lot of people [00:53:00] are at the effect of not just what they have going on from my experience, what happened in their families, what happened with their mothers, what happened with their fathers, what happened with so and so, or the neighbor down the street.

[00:53:13]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:13] Sister Nayyirah: And it stopped them. I’m watching a lot of people be stuck. 

[00:53:19]  : Yeah. 

[00:53:20] Sister Nayyirah: And if they are moving ahead, they’re bringing that past with them in present time. And operating from that. 

[00:53:30] Aaron: And, and at least from this is for, for all peoples, I think, here in the United States. But what kind of role, when people have this problem and they don’t have an maybe an answer to mental health or the actual, the, the answer to mental health that they’re given is primarily drugs.

[00:53:46] Aaron: Absolutely. In the form, in the form of drugs. Yeah, absolutely. Both prescription and not prescription drugs. Mm-hmm. So what have you seen, like how many people are trying to go and, and find the solution there? 

[00:53:57]  : Mm. [00:54:00] 

[00:54:00] Sister Nayyirah: I believe that people do want a solution. I believe that what I’m seeing is what’s presented to the people when they’re looking for a solution.

[00:54:09] Sister Nayyirah: People do want help. 

[00:54:10]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:10] Sister Nayyirah: But what’s available, what is in plain sight that’s workable. 

[00:54:15]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:15] Sister Nayyirah: And that’s where I believe our role is, our job is because in the black community, and I’m sure this is all over the world, but specifically dealing with my culture. There’s a lot of advocacy for mental health therapy.

[00:54:29]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:30] Sister Nayyirah: Right. And it’s becoming social. Yeah. Oh, I’m gonna see my therapist and you know, but we got valid therapy. 

[00:54:38] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That’s right. 

[00:54:39] Sister Nayyirah: So what is being put for the people is what I see. The problem is we need more people activating valid therapy. 

[00:54:49] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:49] Sister Nayyirah: Workable therapy. Because, because it’s so commercialized.

[00:54:55] Brad: Yeah. Extremely. Yes. Yeah. 

[00:54:59] Sister Nayyirah: The answers [00:55:00] has to be in plain sight. We, we need a cadre of people. 

[00:55:06] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:06] Sister Nayyirah: That’s out here providing a workable technology because people are now waking up. People do want help. 

[00:55:14] Brad: Yep. 

[00:55:14] Sister Nayyirah: But what type of help are they finding? And that is, I say the problem is it’s not enough, or we need more, I would say we need more people.

[00:55:25] Sister Nayyirah: That is actually bringing the true solution. Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:30] Brad: And that’s dietetics. 

[00:55:30] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:30] Brad: Hands 

[00:55:30] Sister Nayyirah: down. 

[00:55:31] Brad: Yeah. Agreed. What, what do you, because I’m, I’m assuming you run into this from time to time, or maybe often people who, you know, they know that they need help, like they have something mentally that, that they’re not happy with.

[00:55:45] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:45] Brad: And they’re going to therapy, like some, some form of therapy, like some, some psych therapy. 

[00:55:51] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:52] Brad: What do you typically say to those people when they tell you, you know, if they tell you like, oh, I, I I see a therapist. 

[00:55:57] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:58] Brad: What, what do you, what do you typically say [00:56:00] to them? 

[00:56:00] Sister Nayyirah: I mean, ultimately I’m gonna give them a book.

[00:56:02] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:56:03] Sister Nayyirah: Like, that’s just my thing. God, if I just gotta give it to you, I’ll give it to you. But, you know, you have to allow people to have their way. 

[00:56:11]  : Right. 

[00:56:11] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So I don’t force it. 

[00:56:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:56:13] Sister Nayyirah: But I will offer. 

[00:56:14] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:15] Sister Nayyirah: Right. And that’s all I can do. And to me, giving a book is like life saving because, you know.

[00:56:23] Sister Nayyirah: There’s a lot of therapy, but this helps you to know why you need therapy. 

[00:56:26] Aaron: Yep, 

[00:56:27] Brad: yep. That’s true. Yeah. 

[00:56:30] Aaron: Have you, you know, I, I, uh, I have a story. One, one reason. Um, I think that, that the scourge of the earth, the, the, the, the demonic force, or the most demonic force, um, today is the industry of psychiatry. 

[00:56:48] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, certainly.

[00:56:49] Aaron: That is literally, uh, Satan incarnate. Mm-hmm. Okay. Pushing false solutions and actually killing people. In fact, [00:57:00] uh, a very close friend of mine, um, was put on electric shock, and uh, two weeks later he shot himself. 

[00:57:06]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:07] Aaron: Uh, he’s gone. Mm-hmm. One of my closest buddies, and this is what people are used to as a solution.

[00:57:14] Sister Nayyirah: Mm. 

[00:57:14] Aaron: Right. Something that never works, something you try and you try. Mm-hmm. You try the, whatever it is. You, you did the Oxycontin. Mm-hmm. You did the. Whatever this pill, that pill this drug. And, and people try it. And so they kind of feel that there is nothing that can be done because they tried. 

[00:57:30] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:31] Aaron: They tried to get help and that help failed them. Do you see that happening with your brothers and sisters? 

[00:57:39] Sister Nayyirah: Absolutely. It’s, it’s a challenge. It’s a challenge to get people to, um, understand that help is available because people see help as betrayal. 

[00:57:50]  : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:51] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So they don’t want to be betrayed, you know?

[00:57:55] Sister Nayyirah: So this is where I get people to [00:58:00] trust by my example. Mm. Because sometimes it’s not in the book. You gotta be the book. Okay. You just gotta be the book. It’s 

[00:58:10] Brad: so 

[00:58:10] Sister Nayyirah: true. Right. You just gotta, I’m gonna start saying that. Yes. You have to be the book. Wow. That’s, I’m, yeah. 

[00:58:16] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:58:17] Sister Nayyirah: I tell my, you have to, in this world today, you gotta be vulnerable.

[00:58:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:23] Sister Nayyirah: You have to be transparent. 

[00:58:24] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:25] Sister Nayyirah: We have to let people know, look, I done been there, done that, had that this, and maybe my story, and I always lead with this. My story may not be like your story, but I need you to fill in the.dot dots. 

[00:58:36] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:58:37] Sister Nayyirah: Tell your story. It’s the power of the story. 

[00:58:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:41] Sister Nayyirah: And people are looking for hope.

[00:58:42] Sister Nayyirah: Are we hope? 

[00:58:43] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:44] Sister Nayyirah: People are looking darkness into light. Are we the light? 

[00:58:47] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:47] Sister Nayyirah: We gotta be the light. We are enlightened beings and we, but people gotta know that you’ve been in the dark. And matter of fact, that’s Mary’s, I’m still trying to find, you know, flash a little light. I haven’t arrived to perfection now, you know?

[00:58:58] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. But I’ve come a [00:59:00] long ways. I’m not where I used to be, and I’m not where I’m gonna be. 

[00:59:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:04] Sister Nayyirah: However, I’m in a process. Let people see your process and that the process is attainable. You know, it’s not the end goal, it’s the process that people have the most reward. The reward is the journey. 

[00:59:19]  : Mm-hmm.

[00:59:19] Sister Nayyirah: So I am not afraid to talk about my journey with the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. And this book right here has solved my mental health problems. ’cause I have religion. Even in my religion, I was still stuck. 

[00:59:38]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:39] Sister Nayyirah: That’s just truth. Right. But because Minister Farhan gave us this technology, I have so much respect for Mr.

[00:59:46] Sister Nayyirah: Hubbard because my God, this man put something together. 

[00:59:49]  : Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:50] Sister Nayyirah: That helped me to pop out of my own mind. Now I can be a Muslim. 

[00:59:54]  : Mm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:56] Sister Nayyirah: I could be your friend. 

[00:59:57]  : Yeah. 

[00:59:58] Sister Nayyirah: You understand? And that took [01:00:00] courage. People lack courage. It’s a lot of fear out here. So they need to see courageous people. Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:06] Brad: Yep.

[01:00:07] Sister Nayyirah: Regardless to any race, class, creed, or color. I’m here for you and we doing this, but I’m the book. 

[01:00:14] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:15] Sister Nayyirah: And that’s just how I got to go. So that, that’s my scope. He the 

[01:00:17] Aaron: book be a book. 

[01:00:18] Brad: That’s gonna be my, my new catchphrase. I am the book. 

[01:00:22] Sister Nayyirah: I’m the book. 

[01:00:24] Aaron: And your life. I mean, look, you have five children. Yes.

[01:00:26] Aaron: You’ve had, you’ve been married for how long now? 

[01:00:28] Sister Nayyirah: 28 years. 

[01:00:31] Aaron: 28 years. Good 

[01:00:32] Brad: job. Well done. 

[01:00:32] Aaron: A beautiful family that has been repaired. 

[01:00:37] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[01:00:37] Aaron: Right. We 

[01:00:38] Sister Nayyirah: still need work. 

[01:00:39] Aaron: No, 

[01:00:39] Sister Nayyirah: we still work, 

[01:00:40] Aaron: work, work. Because again, things change. You need, you need tuneups all the time. All the time. Need some fix or get it done. Okay, good.

[01:00:47] Aaron: Um, and so has, that’s a 

[01:00:49] Brad: sign that something is being utilized, by the way. Yes. You 

[01:00:51] Sister Nayyirah: have to 

[01:00:52] Brad: keep it repaired. 

[01:00:52] Sister Nayyirah: We have to. 

[01:00:53] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:53] Sister Nayyirah: And I’m so grateful for my children. You know, you was gonna ask a question. 

[01:00:57] Aaron: Yeah. No, no. Please let your children, we were 

[01:00:59] Sister Nayyirah: gonna tell, I [01:01:00] was gonna say my children, you know, all of them.

[01:01:04] Sister Nayyirah: Are involved in tech. 

[01:01:06] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:01:07] Sister Nayyirah: And yesterday it was so funny because we did a FaceTime with the whole family. I have a son in Canada and have one in Miami. And you know, they kind of like spread out. The girls are here and the boys are gone, my heart. But anyway, um, we did a FaceTime and they was all quoting all my quotes, you know, like they just giving me back all of the things that I’ve said to them Oh.

[01:01:27] Sister Nayyirah: That now they apply in life where, and I thought, okay, they don’t listen to me. You know? Mm-hmm. All of these things. But to just hear the wisdom of these young adults and they know where to go and they know what to do if they fall into these traps. ’cause it’s not easy for our young people out here today either.

[01:01:46] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:46] Sister Nayyirah: You know, and how to get themselves out. So yeah, I was excited. 

[01:01:51] Aaron: It’s brilliant. You’re being in the book, sending it, being in the 

[01:01:52] Sister Nayyirah: book. Yeah. I’m the book. 

[01:01:53] Aaron: Mm-hmm. So, and for, for in the church, I mean, you’ve been to. [01:02:00] Many churches of Scientology right here. Mm-hmm. Tampa Flag places. Um, a lot of places, uh, around the US and I don’t know about Yeah.

[01:02:08] Aaron: Some 

[01:02:08] Sister Nayyirah: international. 

[01:02:08] Aaron: Some international. 

[01:02:09] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:10] Aaron: Um, has anybody at all as any Scientologist, any book, Mr. Hubbard, anyone tried to convert you or leave your religion 

[01:02:23] Sister Nayyirah: being a Muslim? Oh, no. No. And I love that this is non-denominational. 

[01:02:30] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:31] Sister Nayyirah: Because I don’t think I would’ve participated if I would’ve had to drop my headpiece and do something different.

[01:02:38] Sister Nayyirah: So, no. You know, I learned actually this in Scientology and that’s how to grant being is 

[01:02:45]  : mm-hmm. 

[01:02:46] Sister Nayyirah: How to grant life and not, you know, enforce things on people. And no, the doors of the church has been open to all who come, you know, so. I go in the church [01:03:00] wherever I go, and it’s Isam Lake. 

[01:03:01]  : Yeah, yeah. 

[01:03:02] Sister Nayyirah: You know, it’s like koala, you know, which means peace unto you.

[01:03:06] Sister Nayyirah: I’m greeted with peace by the people in the Church of Scientology. Wow. You know, I’m greeted in a way where they’re trying to keep my cultures in. Mm-hmm. You know, and it, it keeps me in check, you know? 

[01:03:17] Brad: Yeah, 

[01:03:18] Sister Nayyirah: right. So, 

[01:03:19] Brad: yeah. 

[01:03:19] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. Absolutely. It’s 

[01:03:21] Aaron: incredible. 

[01:03:21] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[01:03:22] Aaron: Um, I 

[01:03:22] Sister Nayyirah: feel at home when I go to the church. 

[01:03:24] Aaron: Yeah.

[01:03:24] Sister Nayyirah: I’m at church. 

[01:03:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:25] Aaron: That’s amazing. Okay, so we, um, we ask everybody, uh, a question. Mm-hmm. 

[01:03:33] Sister Nayyirah: Okay. 

[01:03:34] Aaron: Um, and I guess I don’t, I’m gonna ask it anyway. I was gonna change it up, but I’ll ask it anyway. 

[01:03:39]  : Mm-hmm. Yeah, it’s fine. 

[01:03:40] Aaron: So, in your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:03:44] Sister Nayyirah: Scientology is the study of wisdom, just knowing how to know 

[01:03:49] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[01:03:49] Sister Nayyirah: Just becoming a better you, a better being, and applying life to life. Own words. 

[01:03:57] Aaron: Yeah, that’s be brilliant. 

[01:03:59] Brad: I want, I wanna add a on go. [01:04:00] Go please. Yeah, I wanna add a follow on, just Yeah, yeah. Do it. Acknowledgement. So in your own words, what is Islam? 

[01:04:06] Sister Nayyirah: Peace. 

[01:04:08] Brad: Mm. 

[01:04:09] Sister Nayyirah: It’s universal peace. It’s a way that we all can live and together, you know, I have the study of wisdom.

[01:04:17] Sister Nayyirah: I have peace and have life. We’re both 

[01:04:24] Aaron: nice. 

[01:04:24] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:24] Brad: Fantastic. 

[01:04:25] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[01:04:26] Aaron: How I wouldn’t, I, I guess I’m curious of your, like your team, your sisters, your, your group, right? As, as they’re coming in, like what happens Has, what has there been, like, what kind of difference have you seen? Well, 

[01:04:41] Sister Nayyirah: yeah, so I mean, I say point to tech 

[01:04:45] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[01:04:46] Sister Nayyirah: For a lot of my people, because keep in mind there’s a group think. 

[01:04:52]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:54] Sister Nayyirah: About white people. 

[01:04:55] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:56] Sister Nayyirah: Because of our history, because of what we’ve gone through, [01:05:00] there’s distrust. 

[01:05:02] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:03] Sister Nayyirah: Because of the history and because of the experience here in America. 

[01:05:07]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:08] Sister Nayyirah: Right. So the first thing is, I’m talking about my group in particular.

[01:05:12]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:13] Sister Nayyirah: Reminding them of the words of the honorable minister was fire. ’cause he says the members of the Church of Scientology, for those who truly follow l Ron Hubbard is our brothers and sisters in faith. 

[01:05:24]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:25] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[01:05:26] Brad: Mm. 

[01:05:27] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. And that l Ron Hubbard is his brother. Yes. 

[01:05:33] Brad: Oh wow. 

[01:05:33] Sister Nayyirah: And that he is a man that we was destined to meet at the proper time.

[01:05:37] Sister Nayyirah: So let’s keep far con out front. 

[01:05:39]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:40] Sister Nayyirah: Until we get you in that chair. 

[01:05:43]  : Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[01:05:46] Sister Nayyirah: Right. 

[01:05:47]  : Yeah. 

[01:05:47] Sister Nayyirah: Because we followed the leader and however, we still got things that we have to deal with. That we have to go through and we have to get cleaned up and people are willing, the people that come to [01:06:00] the church, they’re willing, but there’s fear there.

[01:06:02] Sister Nayyirah: There’s mistrust there. There’s distrust. There’s a lot of things and rightfully so. Mm-hmm. On both parts. Mm-hmm. Right. So my job is because I’m in both and because I’m very high in Scientology. Mm-hmm. And I’m very high in the nation of Islam, my job is to keep ethics in on both sides. 

[01:06:19]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:20] Sister Nayyirah: And bring both up.

[01:06:21] Sister Nayyirah: Right. Protect, I have taken on the role and responsibility, I’m protecting both sides. 

[01:06:27] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:28] Sister Nayyirah: Does that make sense? 

[01:06:29] Aaron: Absolutely. A hundred. 

[01:06:30] Sister Nayyirah: And so for me it’s like, okay, we here and this is home. Come on, let me show y’all around and let me show you the customs of the Church of Scientology, and then the Church of Scientology, the Customs of the Nation of Islam.

[01:06:44] Sister Nayyirah: And then we begin to just come up together and it’s been a beautiful journey. 

[01:06:49] Aaron: Amazing. By the way, I’m from Venezuela. Okay. So I’m Hispanic. Yeah. Okay. Just put it out there. Yeah. This guy’s white. This guy’s white as can be. So I’m just as white and, and 

[01:06:57] Brad: we family. 

[01:06:59] Aaron: That’s right, that’s right. And we’re family.

[01:06:59] Aaron: That’s [01:07:00] right. Um, and, and I want to say, you know, Scientology is, at least from what I’ve seen, you know, in Mexico it’s very big. Venezuela, uh, all the Hispanic areas is, it’s, it’s flourishing. Very big, right? Mm-hmm. It’s not a, uh, yes, the founder was white. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I 

[01:07:15] Brad: want, I want, yeah. I want to actually just point something out because, you know, I like, so I grew up in like a suburban, small town in like a little northeastern Florida.

[01:07:25] Brad: Most, most of my friends are white growing up. 

[01:07:27]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:07:27] Brad: It is easier to talk to people who are not white. Mm-hmm. You know, Hispanic black, what, what have you. Mm-hmm. Uh, about, you know, Asian also, especially. It’s easier to talk to them about Scientology than it is to talk to most white people about Scientology.

[01:07:43]  : Mm. 

[01:07:44] Brad: And the reason I would describe that to, 

[01:07:46] Aaron: and you could say you’re white, you’re 

[01:07:47] Brad: right. The reason I would describe that too is because, uh, the, the kind of like mockup for white America for like what’s wanted mm-hmm. 

[01:07:55]  : Is 

[01:07:56] Brad: comfort. 

[01:07:57]  : Mm. 

[01:07:57] Brad: Like no [01:08:00] discomfort. Mm-hmm. Like discomfort is not wanted. Mm-hmm. So, mm-hmm.

[01:08:02] Brad: A anything that, you know, when, when you do confront things like out ethics, your reactive mind, which has gone over in dietetics, you know, your, the all, you know, the meant, the stuff that’s there that you can handle with that. Mm-hmm. When you confront it, there is a little bit of, there’s a little bit, it’s not pain per se, but there’s a little, there’s definitely a, some discomfort that goes along with it.

[01:08:26]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:08:27] Brad: Um, so I would say that actually makes it harder to talk to that. Community about something and, you know, and change, just change in general. Yes. Brings discomfort with it. 

[01:08:37] Sister Nayyirah: I think that’s 

[01:08:37] Brad: universal. Yeah. 

[01:08:38] Aaron: Everyone, everyone has some resistance, 

[01:08:40] Sister Nayyirah: right? Yeah. 

[01:08:40] Aaron: There’s always resistance. 

[01:08:41] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. That’s, that’s universal.

[01:08:42] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:43] Sister Nayyirah: And, and I wanna say this to, um, about Mr. Hubbard. He wrote a letter message to black people. 

[01:08:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:08:54] Sister Nayyirah: That man has affinity for everybody. 

[01:08:57] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:08:57]  : Yep. 

[01:08:58] Sister Nayyirah: And he gave a [01:09:00] specific letter to let us know we belong.

[01:09:06] Sister Nayyirah: What a man. 

[01:09:07] Aaron: That’s right. I’m gonna put it about, by the way, I’ll put that in the notes in the show. Good. Read that. Yes. Read that. I also have a million man March pledge in the show notes as well. Yes. 

[01:09:16] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. 

[01:09:16] Aaron: So you guys can see, I mean, there is, there is there, there’s so much that, um. So much change can happen.

[01:09:24] Aaron: You know, there I, I think working together, it’s such a beautiful thing. I think it’s just amazing to just be together and just be like, Hey, let’s understand each other. Let’s just talk. Because what what happens is when you fight, you don’t actually see the other person. You’re fighting something in your own head.

[01:09:40] Aaron: That’s so true. If I’m finding someone, it’s, I don’t know that person. If you really understand someone, you don’t need to be fighting. 

[01:09:47] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:09:48] Aaron: Right. I don’t know if you, if you see 

[01:09:49] that 

[01:09:50] Brad: a hundred percent. A hundred percent. 

[01:09:51] Sister Nayyirah: I think everybody that’s saying 

[01:09:54] Aaron: mm-hmm. 

[01:09:54] Sister Nayyirah: Want peace on earth. 

[01:09:55] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:09:55] Brad: That’s right.

[01:09:56] Sister Nayyirah: Right. To have some degree of sanity and [01:10:00] if we just find the common grounds 

[01:10:01] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[01:10:02] Sister Nayyirah: The common truths, and we build on, find out what we have more in common than not in common. 

[01:10:08] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:08] Sister Nayyirah: That’s how we are going to make this planet a decent and better place to live. So we just have to find more like-minded people, more people that’s willing to make a new civilization.

[01:10:21] Sister Nayyirah: In the nation. We say the hereafter is now right? In the church we say the kingdom of God as above, so below right. Is here. So if we all find that level of commonality and we start to bring forth the solutions, which is tools, Mr. Harbor has a lot of tools. 

[01:10:42]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:42] Sister Nayyirah: Right? In the nation, we have a lot of tools and other religions.

[01:10:45] Sister Nayyirah: They have a lot of tools. If they’re effective, and I’m saying this, I like to chase sanity. 

[01:10:52]  : Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:53] Sister Nayyirah: If we going to do some sanity and some more sanity, then let’s come together and build that fortress [01:11:00] and just push the evil off the planet. 

[01:11:03] Aaron: Let’s do it. 

[01:11:04] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. That’s the win. That’s the win-win for everybody.

[01:11:07] Aaron: Yep. So if someone wants to start, they’re like, okay, I want to change out this evil, I like this. What? What is the first step that someone should take toward that step? Insanity. 

[01:11:16] Sister Nayyirah: Take the free online courses. 

[01:11:19] Aaron: Which one? 

[01:11:20] Brad: Yeah. What’s your favorite one? 

[01:11:22] Sister Nayyirah: Oh gosh, what’s my favorite one? The cause of suppression.

[01:11:24] Aaron: Ooh, 

[01:11:25] Brad: wow. 

[01:11:26] Aaron: Okay. Put that one in the show notes. scientology.org/suppression. 

[01:11:29] Sister Nayyirah: Yes. Take the cause of suppression. 

[01:11:31] Brad: So he knows all of the, the links, all the, the volunteer minister courses. He knows the exact uur L 

[01:11:37] Sister Nayyirah: Oh, you know them. 

[01:11:38] Brad: He knows them by heart. 

[01:11:39] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. Yeah. So 

[01:11:40] Brad: that’s good. And we usually ask people what’s their favorite one, and everybody has a different one.

[01:11:43] Brad: Like we’ve heard the learning one, the like he knows the exact 

[01:11:47] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. I have a lot of, I love them all by the way. Yeah. Cause of suppression. Mm-hmm. It wakes you up. It’s like, what? Oh, so these 12 characteristics are my haters. Oh, okay. [01:12:00] 

[01:12:00] Aaron: That’s 

[01:12:01] Brad: right. That’s a great way to 

[01:12:02] Sister Nayyirah: put it. Yes. So 

[01:12:02] Aaron: that’s amazing. 

[01:12:03] Sister Nayyirah: Mm-hmm.

[01:12:04] Aaron: Okay. So, um, any parting words you want to say? Yes, 

[01:12:07] Brad: please. 

[01:12:08] Sister Nayyirah: Um, I would say what this show reminds me of is to who much is given much is required, and we’ve been given a lot. Of tools to help our people. All cultures. Mm-hmm. And it’s required for us to be activated. We ought to be activated to bring sanity on the planet.

[01:12:34] Sister Nayyirah: So to whom much is given much is required. 

[01:12:37] Aaron: That’s right guys. 

[01:12:38] Brad: Agreed. 

[01:12:39] Sister Nayyirah: Yeah. 

[01:12:39] Aaron: Which means subscribe. And I can share, share her message right there. It takes you two seconds, you got an hour and something, you can share the message that’s required. All right. Thank you. 

[01:12:48] Brad: And don’t do nothing. Yeah. Thank 

[01:12:50] Sister Nayyirah: you. So, and it’s been an honor, I wanna say thank you for having me here to share space with you and really to just get a message out.

[01:12:57] Aaron: Yeah. Thank you. 

[01:12:58] Sister Nayyirah: Thank you 

[01:12:58] all.