Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Brad: When you guys got together, you didn’t have two nickels to rub together. 

[00:00:02] Aaron: And I said, well, we’re gonna live under the bridge and the baby will be drinking from the dirty water. 

[00:00:06] Whitney: $20 an hour isn’t gonna be enough to survive. When I decide something, I’m not gonna stop at anything until I get what I want.

[00:00:14] Whitney: And he is like, Aaron, good luck. 

[00:00:16] Aaron: I was mooching off my wife. I’ve 

[00:00:17] been 

[00:00:17] Brad: there. 

[00:00:17] Aaron: True. It’s true. I 

[00:00:18] Brad: remember 

[00:00:18] Aaron: same story. 

[00:00:19] Whitney: I’m not gonna give up until you decide you’re gonna have kids. 

[00:00:22] Aaron: Until she was pregnant. My drive to actually do something significant did not exist. 

[00:00:28] Whitney: I would say that with each child, it’s given us more drive to rise to the next level.

[00:00:32] Aaron: Everything was done except 

[00:00:33] Brad: wow, 

[00:00:34] Whitney: getting to get a six pack. 

[00:00:35] Aaron: Oh, dammit. I told my daughter, we’re yin and yang 

[00:00:39] Brad: spouses kind of like kill their spouse’s dreams. 

[00:00:43] Aaron: Do you regret this? No. Welcome to today’s show. We have the most important person in my entire life here on the show today, which is my amazing, wonderful, beautiful, amazing creative, um, disciplined, uh, clean.[00:01:00] 

[00:01:00] Aaron: Spectacular wife, Whitney Cordova. Um, she is the reason that we are doing what we’re doing. Um, she has birthed and pushed out of her body for children, uh, for her family, which is unbelievable. Um, there’s some stories about that too, we might get into. But, uh, she is the senior vice president and co-founder of Zula Kitchen.

[00:01:21] Aaron: She is, um, amazing. I mean, I don’t know what else to say. She, uh, volunteered for many years at our church. Uh, that is actually where we met. We can get into that story as well. And she is definitely the leader. She has three siblings herself. Uh, she’s the oldest, so she was the oldest of her, um, siblings and I’m the youngest, so like, it, it, uh, whatever.

[00:01:44] Aaron: I don’t know. That’s been worked out pretty well. So, um, thanks for being here. 

[00:01:48] Whitney: Thanks for having me. Yeah. 

[00:01:50] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:01:50] And 

[00:01:50] Brad: she’s a badass motherfucker. Who don’t take no shit. We’re gonna have to bleep that kuby, that’s how to say it. That’s my, that’s what I know about Whitney. Like, that’s [00:02:00] like, if I think about Whitney, I’m like, doesn’t take shit from anybody.

[00:02:03] Whitney: You are correct. Mm-hmm. And most guys are intimidated by me. 

[00:02:07] Brad: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:02:08] Whitney: Uh, yeah. So Aaron was the first guy that I ran into that was not intimidate, intimidated by me. 

[00:02:13] Brad: Really? 

[00:02:14] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:02:15] Brad: What, why? Like, okay, let’s just go right into it. What happened? 

[00:02:19] Whitney: Okay, so, um, I was 28 and he, uh, was I think 21 or he was 21 or 

[00:02:28] Aaron: one.

[00:02:28] Aaron: We were seven, seven or eight years apart depending on the part of the year. That’s our, our age difference. Yeah. And actually I’m the younger one. It’s not the opposite. Mm-hmm. Just so you understand, in case some people literally like, I, it, it, it is a thing Whitney, that people normally think I am older than you.

[00:02:41] Aaron: Even though it’s true. You are actually seven years older than me. I know, but that just letting you guys know. So if you thought that’s okay, you’re not the only one. 

[00:02:50] Whitney: I’m aging beautifully. 

[00:02:51] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:02:51] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:02:52] Aaron: You know, the, we did this on purpose because the average lifespan of a woman, um, is actually longer than a man’s.

[00:02:58] Aaron: So [00:03:00] 

[00:03:00] Brad: was 

[00:03:00] Aaron: that really a part of the calculation when 

[00:03:01] Brad: you were getting together? 

[00:03:04] Whitney: No. No. But, um, so he had arrived, um, in Los Angeles. He was new and I saw him and I was like, oh, he, he seems, uh, cute. Um, but he’s so young. So I just put that on the back burner in my mind. Uh, and then, you know, we were working together and.

[00:03:22] Whitney: Uh, in different scenarios, I would have to like, tell him what to do. This is, you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to do this. And he was like the only person that wouldn’t just say, yes, okay, I’m gonna do it right away. Get it right back to you. Some if he saw that there was a, a little thing that could be done differently, he was one of the only people that would say, okay, I’ll do that, but I think we should do it this way, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:03:45] Whitney: And, and it, and because of it will be done faster or because it’ll have a better outcome for one reason or another. And he was the only person that had the balls to, to tell me that because most people would just say, yes, okay, I’ll do [00:04:00] this, uh, and listen to what you say and whatever. So 

[00:04:03] Aaron: she actually was, I mean, she was like actually a, like a boss.

[00:04:06] Aaron: Like she was, she was in charge of, I don’t know. I don’t know how many dozens of people 

[00:04:09] Whitney: for sure. 

[00:04:10] Aaron: So, 

[00:04:11] Brad: so what I hear is he was intelligent 

[00:04:13] Whitney: mm-hmm. 

[00:04:14] Brad: And had the stones to actually say what he was thinking. 

[00:04:18] Whitney: That’s right. That’s right. Which I thought, 

[00:04:20] Brad: good job, bro. 

[00:04:21] Whitney: Which I thought was beautiful. 

[00:04:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:04:23] Whitney: Because I don’t want some, I didn’t wanna spend the rest of my life with somebody that I would just walk all over and they would just do whatever I say.

[00:04:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:04:32] Whitney: That’s not what I wanted. I wanted to be able to be controlled, but also to be able to control the other person. 

[00:04:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:04:37] Whitney: And that was super huge for me, which is why I didn’t get married when I was 21. Boom. Right off the bat. And I waited for a while to find the right guy, and I didn’t even date anybody else because I 

[00:04:51] Brad: Wow.

[00:04:51] Whitney: Because I was like, I need to find the right guy. And I knew that I needed somebody that I could build a life with. 

[00:04:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:04:59] Whitney: [00:05:00] Um, yeah. 

[00:05:01] Brad: Wow. That’s awesome. 

[00:05:02] Whitney: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:02] Brad: Dude. Good job. You know, it’s funny, I, I think a lot of, um. Young men would think that, like if they had like a female boss who they were interested, obviously you guys, like, that’s not the reason you start working together, but you know, like you get interested in people.

[00:05:16] Brad: I feel like they would think that just doing whatever they’re told would be the way to like, you know, gain the favor or, you know, like get, like getting good with the boss who’s a woman. 

[00:05:26] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:05:26] Brad: Which, which it’s that, but that’s only what I heard is like, that’s like, like level one, but you were looking for like level three or four, which is like, do like, yes, I’m gonna totally handle it, no problem.

[00:05:38] Brad: But we can also do this. Like, there’s somebody co-creating with you. 

[00:05:41] Whitney: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:42] Brad: Is that kind of what was That’s exactly 

[00:05:43] Whitney: what it 

[00:05:43] Brad: was. 

[00:05:43] Aaron: Yeah. And, and just as a like, kind of as a note, it’s not like I was doing that because I liked her. It’s just, I, I, I look in school I was always in trouble. Okay. I was always in trouble because in school what you’re actually taught is [00:06:00] to exactly as you’re told.

[00:06:01] Aaron: True. That’s actually the lesson. The lesson in school is do exactly what you’re told. And in fact, if you like, what’s crazy, like, and I don’t know, this is an example on math. Like I remember in math I would get answers and I’d do it like pretty fast. I’d be doing the whole thing in four seconds. I’d be like, you have to show your work.

[00:06:16] Aaron: And I’m like, are the answers right or are they not? Right? I’m like, they’re right, but you actually have to show you work. They’re actually still wrong. And I’m like, 

[00:06:21] Brad: yeah, 

[00:06:21] Aaron: okay. It just, dude, I 

[00:06:22] Brad: would do the same thing, 

[00:06:23] Aaron: dude. It’s just mm-hmm. It’s a dumb, there’s no reason. Mm-hmm. But it’s just to fit into the box and I never wanted to fit in this box.

[00:06:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Um, and so it’s not like I did that to Whitney only. I just al I’m always like that. 

[00:06:35] Whitney: That’s true. 

[00:06:36] Aaron: Always to, to almost everybody. Not everybody, but like, even my mom, my mom, I’m sure she would, she wouldn’t put that on the list of qualities that she liked. But, uh, definitely sometimes she’d ask me some stuff and I, and I love my mother deeply.

[00:06:49] Aaron: Um, obviously Zula who like kitchen, that’s name that for my mom. Um, but a lot of times, you know, she would, uh, you know, tell us stuff and so anyway. 

[00:06:57] Whitney: Yep. 

[00:06:57] Brad: Yeah. I love it. 

[00:06:59] Whitney: [00:07:00] So then another thing I wanted to mention is that, you know, I grew up in Scientology. 

[00:07:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:07:04] Whitney: And I would say that I’m so, 

[00:07:06] Brad: oh, and I’m sorry for interrupting you part left out of the intro, Scientologists.

[00:07:10] Brad: Oh 

[00:07:10] Aaron: yeah, that’s right. 

[00:07:11] Whitney: Oh, yes. I 

[00:07:11] Brad: feel like we always leave that out. Lately. We’re like, and by the way, 

[00:07:15] Whitney: yes, I’m a Scientologist and I grew up in Scientology. My parents were Scientologists. And, um, I feel like I was very fortunate because there, you know, Scientology is an applied religious philosophy. And when I was younger I would fight all the time with my sister, who was a couple years younger than me.

[00:07:35] Whitney: And she and I would get at it really hardcore, ripping hair out, biting each other really strongly. Wow. And, uh, I didn’t know that it was really rough. And my and our parents were like, okay, you’re gonna go do a communication course. It’s called Children’s Communication Course. And I think she was. Um, probably about eight and I was 10.

[00:07:57] Whitney: And, okay, so we went to the course [00:08:00] room. This is a place where you sit down and you study and you learn, and you have somebody there who’s called a supervisor. And this person is there to, uh, you know, if you have questions while you’re reading the information, then you could ask them questions and you make sure you clear your words and all that.

[00:08:13] Whitney: So anyways, so we were, we were working on this together and we got into the drills where that’s where it got real fun. And, uh, we got through all of our drills together. And by the end of that, my sister and I were no longer fighting. We, we, we loved each other and it’s not like we didn’t love each other before that, but at the same time, it was just a much more harmonic relationship that, uh, we were able to, you know, do better.

[00:08:46] Aaron: Was that your first course ever? 

[00:08:49] Whitney: Um, actually I did. Children’s, I think they’re learning how to learn and then how to use a dictionary for Chi for children. [00:09:00] Um, and then it was the success through communication course. The children’s what? Children’s success through communication course. Yeah. And, um, so, but when I fir I even then I didn’t decide that I was a Scientologist yet.

[00:09:12] Whitney: I just thought, okay, fine, I’m doing this. You know? ’cause 

[00:09:14] Brad: this is literally my next question. 

[00:09:16] Whitney: Okay. 

[00:09:17] Brad: Yeah, no, no, it’s fine. You’re, you picked up on it. Yeah. Yeah. Like when, when did you ’cause this, I’m always so curious about this. Whenever we have a guest on who’s was raised by parents who are Scientologists already, like my, what I’ve observed is it’s, I’ve never met anybody where it’s like, yeah, my parents made me, you know?

[00:09:34] Brad: Yeah. It’s like, I’ve just never seen that. It’s like, ’cause that would kind of violate the philosophy. It’s like, what’s true for you is what’s true by your observation. Mm-hmm. And so the cu what I’m always curious about is at what point did you decide for yourself, oh, this is for me. 

[00:09:48] Whitney: Well, I’ll tell you. Um, and, and to exactly your point about the parents, like, not like pushing it on you.

[00:09:55] Whitney: Um, so what happened when I was about eight years old, [00:10:00] my parents had bought me some spiritual counseling, uh, with one of the, with one of the auditors. We call that person an auditor who helps you. Um, uh, 

[00:10:09] Aaron: they listen to your problems and they kind of guide you, 

[00:10:12] Whitney: correct? So. I was eight years old and I had a couple sessions and I was like, I’m not doing this.

[00:10:20] Whitney: I am outta here. And I literally blew. 

[00:10:22] Aaron: Do you know why? Do you know why, why do you know? What was it? You don’t like the questions? I don’t 

[00:10:25] Whitney: even remember. All I remember is that I was done and I was outta here and I wanted nothing to do with it. 

[00:10:33] Aaron: You don’t even remember what it was? 

[00:10:34] Whitney: No. I was like, lemme outta this room right now.

[00:10:36] Whitney: I’m leaving. And he’s like, okay, well let’s just finish this one question that we have. I was like, fine. And then I finished the question, I was like, I’m leaving. So then I left and then I was like, okay, I’m not doing that anymore. And then, um, but then I did the course and with the, the children’s communication course and I was like, oh, that kind of helped me.

[00:10:55] Whitney: I thought that was cool. Um, and then, but when I really decided like, this actually works and [00:11:00] it works for me and, and it makes sense, um, was when I did the purification rundown. I was 12 and. Basically I was having a lot of trouble with math and I had a lot of clouded thinking and I wasn’t able to really get through math.

[00:11:18] Whitney: And because whenever I would sit down to do it, I would just get, it was just really rough. So I did the purification rundown and I could see that my clarity of my thoughts was were getting, was getting better and better and better. And my ability to articulate myself also increased. Um, as a child, that was pretty important because, you know mm-hmm.

[00:11:37] Whitney: You’re one, one of your main jobs when you’re a child is to get through school and to do good at that, that’s your exchange, in my view, when you’re a child. 

[00:11:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:11:47] Whitney: So that was huge. And I, I, and I could see spiritually that there was some kind of connection there and I was like, okay, what is this? This actually, this works?

[00:11:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:11:58] Whitney: And that’s when I decided I [00:12:00] was a Scientologist. 

[00:12:01] Brad: Wow. 

[00:12:02] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:12:02] Brad: That’s awesome. 

[00:12:03] Whitney: Thank you. 

[00:12:03] Brad: And how like. Has that influenced the way that actually one of your ki beautiful children was at the door just now? But has that influenced the way that you’re raising your kids? Or, and like, and like how for you as a mother, how do you apply that raising your kids?

[00:12:18] Whitney: Well, I would say, so we have our two older daughters. Yeah. Luna and Violet. Um, Luna does course and Violet does, course Luna is on how to improve relationships with others. There’s been periods where she’s like, okay, I don’t wanna do the course anymore. Okay, fine. You don’t have to do the course. It’s your choice.

[00:12:39] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:12:39] Whitney: Um, but then she’s like on that course. Yeah. 

[00:12:41] Aaron: Really 

[00:12:42] Whitney: it, I think it was about, wasn’t it like six months ago? There was like a period of three months where she wasn’t on the course. 

[00:12:48] Aaron: I think what happened is that if I’m helping her, she wants to do it. 

[00:12:53] Whitney: Okay. Yeah. 

[00:12:54] Aaron: And if I’m not helping her and I just send her off like it’s.

[00:12:56] Aaron: It’s a little, I mean, I think at least for today’s age of [00:13:00] literacy, it’s not for a 10-year-old that that specific course Yeah. Is not for a 10-year-old, not for today’s kind of 10-year-old, that’s probably maybe the 12, 13-year-old you probably could, could tackle it. 

[00:13:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:13:09] Aaron: And so at one point that’s, I guess I didn’t, didn’t make the bridge on the cover.

[00:13:11] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. I, 

[00:13:13] Brad: yeah, 

[00:13:13] Aaron: I didn’t make time to help her. And we’re kinda like, okay, you can go on your own. And, and it, it’s, it’s not easy. It wasn’t a children’s course. Yeah. And so, um, yeah, I basically have to help her. So I’ll like, we’ll go on course today. Is it there? 

[00:13:24] Whitney: It’s this one. 

[00:13:24] Brad: There it is. 

[00:13:25] Aaron: Oh, you found it.

[00:13:26] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:13:26] Aaron: Well, 

[00:13:26] Brad: good job. I’m glad we have our library now. 

[00:13:29] Whitney: Yeah, 

[00:13:29] Aaron: yeah. There’s some words in there that are like, it’s, it’s not, it’s not a children’s course guys. This is for 

[00:13:34] Whitney: adults. You see, this is, this is the pages. Like they’re actually, 

[00:13:37] Aaron: it’s a bunch of texts and there’s pictures here and there and stuff, but, 

[00:13:40] Brad: and this is 

[00:13:40] Aaron: Luna 

[00:13:41] Brad: Luna’s on this one.

[00:13:41] Aaron: Yeah. Luna’s on 

[00:13:42] Brad: and Luna’s what? 12? 

[00:13:43] Aaron: She, she just turned 11. 

[00:13:45] Whitney: She just turned 11. So she started when she was 10. Um, okay. So maybe she didn’t. She didn’t like stop because she didn’t wanna do it. It was just because she needed help. If she’s on 

[00:13:54] Aaron: her course on her own, I don’t think she, she’s not, she’s not really ready for that.

[00:13:57] Whitney: Right. 

[00:13:57] Aaron: Um, but maybe some, I dunno. 

[00:13:59] Whitney: Um, [00:14:00] but I would say like, if, if, if my daughter like Violet, she was doing this success or communication course for children and she didn’t wanna do it for a little period, I dunno, whatever the reason was. So, um, I was like, okay. And then we would asked her a few weeks later, do you wanna go back to course I can help you?

[00:14:17] Whitney: And she’s like, yeah, let’s do it. I was like, okay, I’ll help you. Let’s do it. 

[00:14:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:14:21] Whitney: And so it, it’s definitely not like a forced thing at all. 

[00:14:25] Brad: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. 

[00:14:27] Aaron: I wanna say, I wanna add a little bit to this, if it’s okay with you, 

[00:14:29] Brad: let’s go dad. 

[00:14:31] Aaron: So first of all, I think that, I think we love our children.

[00:14:35] Aaron: Our children love us. So I think on course it’s just, we’re there, it makes it so like, yeah, I know, but it’s just, I don’t know. I think it is a, a nice, a nice relationship there. But second of all, like we had a, there was a problem with, uh, the children were fighting amongst themselves, meaning the two girls.

[00:14:50] Aaron: Uh, Whitney was like, you know what? Because we were talking about it, like, what are we gonna do to resolve this? And she’s like, well, my parents, she said, my parents put us on this course. [00:15:00] So as after they had this big fight, we, Whitney just took them to the course room and they were working with each other for at least an hour or something.

[00:15:07] Whitney: Two hours. 

[00:15:08] Aaron: Two hours. Wow. Um, and yeah, it immediately got better. I mean, it’s not resolved forever, but like, I 

[00:15:15] Whitney: mean, no, but they have not had a very escalated fight since then. Mm-hmm. And that was like, 

[00:15:18] Brad: wow. 

[00:15:19] Aaron: But, but it was actually, she literally said, this is all my parents did with me. Uh, and so then we tried it and it was quite good.

[00:15:27] Whitney: Yeah, 

[00:15:27] Brad: dude, that’s awesome. 

[00:15:28] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:15:29] Aaron: Yeah, 

[00:15:30] Brad: man. 

[00:15:31] Whitney: So that was amazing. 

[00:15:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:15:33] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:15:33] Brad: It sounds like it, you know, you actually made me realize as a, as, uh, you were talking through your story. I, so I was raised, uh, my parents were. Lutheran kind of growing up, which is just a denomination of Christianity. Mm-hmm. And I realized that my mom never actually made us go to church.

[00:15:52] Brad: And I actually liked it. Like, it, it’s kind of, it occurred to me, I was like, oh wow. I never really had like a huge like, push [00:16:00] back against it. ’cause I was like, Hey, you wanna come with us? We’re going. And it was like, yeah. Okay. Like, ’cause it is just like, hang out with my parents. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You spend time with them.

[00:16:08] Brad: Correct. Do this thing where people tend to come together and be happy. I was like, this is nice. You know? It’s like what we do on Sunday. 

[00:16:14] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:16:14] Brad: Is, and you guys go, I see you on the weekends with the kids. Yeah. 

[00:16:17] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:16:17] Brad: So it’s like, kind of just like an a cool thing to do. With parents on the weekends and you know, obviously they have their own cognitions as they go along.

[00:16:24] Brad: And what happens happens. 

[00:16:26] Whitney: That’s right. 

[00:16:26] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:16:27] Whitney: that’s right. Like Violet, she was like, I can’t wait till I’m seven because when I’m seven I can do that course. The learning how to learn. Course, 

[00:16:33] Aaron: they didn’t allow her own course. She tried to, she tried to, he tried to do the course when she was six. Um, and they’re like, no, we can’t.

[00:16:41] Aaron: It’s because of literacy levels. Can’t study, I think can’t study. Like you can’t come. And she’s like, really? She was so sad. So then I would actually sit with her and we’d study. We reread the book together and she’s a, she’s an amazing reader. She’s, I dunno if Luna ever, ever listened to this or hear it, but she is a much faster reader and got it much faster than Luna.

[00:16:58] Brad: Oh wow. 

[00:16:59] Aaron: Mad. It is actually, [00:17:00] she, her, her literacy is just amazing. 

[00:17:01] Brad: Wow. 

[00:17:02] Aaron: Uh, for her age. And so, uh, we just studied at the house and we did it and we waited and then like on her seventh, we was just like, can I go on course now? Like, I wanna do the course, you know? That’s awesome. It was very cute. And 

[00:17:13] Brad: she’s like six.

[00:17:14] Brad: It’s crazy. 

[00:17:15] Aaron: Yeah. Like when 

[00:17:15] Brad: she’s doing that. 

[00:17:16] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. So then when she turned seven. Uh, or was it when she turned eight? I don’t remember. Seven. Maybe She was seven. It was when she turned seven. She 

[00:17:21] Whitney: just turned eight yesterday. 

[00:17:23] Aaron: Oh, sorry. Okay. I’m sorry. 

[00:17:24] Brad: Happy 

[00:17:24] Aaron: birthday viol. 

[00:17:25] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:17:26] Aaron: Yeah. So it was when she turned seven and then, and then we did the course together and she finished it.

[00:17:30] Aaron: She, we, we worked on it. We went once a week and we studied together and 

[00:17:32] Brad: yeah. 

[00:17:33] Aaron: Uh, she didn’t, and she, she liked it. She enjoyed it a lot. And she got a little certificate. 

[00:17:37] Brad: Yeah. Okay. I have, I have a question. Completely different mm-hmm. That I, that actually, I’m very curious to hear the answer. So for Whitney 

[00:17:45] Whitney: Yeah, 

[00:17:45] Aaron: of course.

[00:17:45] Aaron: Please. 

[00:17:46] Brad: When you guys got together, you didn’t have, didn’t have two nickels to rub together, accurate. No. Right? 

[00:17:52] Whitney: Yes, that’s correct. 

[00:17:53] Brad: At the, for the beginning, you know, however many years of, of your relationship mm-hmm. And now you guys are in a, a very different condition. Sure. Doing [00:18:00] very well financially.

[00:18:00] Whitney: Right. 

[00:18:01] Brad: What, um, what’s, how do I put this in? Like what one, what do you attribute that to? And two, like what are your thoughts on people who get money and like, does it change them? Like what have you observed? 

[00:18:17] Whitney: Um, well, I think that anybody has the potential inside of them to do and produce and make whatever they wanna make.

[00:18:28] Whitney: And it has a lot to do with their own personal dedication, drive, and unwavering decision of making whatever that target or goal happen. And since, since I worked in nonprofit, like with my church for 15 years, and I was able to dedicate 15 years of my life to helping other people and, um, every single day, right?

[00:18:48] Whitney: So, and now I decided, okay, we’re gonna have children. So we, we went off to go start our lives. And as part of that, you, you know, you quickly [00:19:00] realize that $20 an hour isn’t gonna be enough to survive. 

[00:19:06] Aaron: Not in California with a child. For sure. 

[00:19:07] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:19:08] Aaron: yeah, yeah. 

[00:19:09] Brad: Especially when the babysitter will also wants $20 an hour, 

[00:19:12] Whitney: right?

[00:19:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:19:13] Whitney: Yeah. So, um. So then we, you know, I, I think that that gave us some necessity to produce like, oh, we actually need to make some, make good money. 

[00:19:27] Aaron: So there’s a big missing piece. Whitney, 

[00:19:29] Whitney: what is it? 

[00:19:30] Aaron: Okay. Um, Whitney was making about 22, 20 $3 an hour worth bonuses. 

[00:19:38] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:19:39] Aaron: And I had no job. 

[00:19:41] Brad: Oh. 

[00:19:41] Aaron: Um, so she was supporting both of us.

[00:19:43] Aaron: Um, and we were kind of doing okay. Like I was mooching off my wife. I just, just, that’s how it, I’ve 

[00:19:51] Brad: been there 

[00:19:52] Aaron: and so, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It’s true. It’s true. Remember same story. So, um, I was actually fine to do nothing [00:20:00] kind of, right. I mean, that’s right. You experienced this. What was, I mean, can you describe how that was?

[00:20:05] Aaron: Yeah. What was 

[00:20:06] Brad: your experience of him doing that? 

[00:20:08] Whitney: Well, you know, I was, I, the reason that I was okay with it was because I know that you, you were trying different business ventures. 

[00:20:15] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:15] Whitney: So there was two or three different business ventures at that time that you told me that you were doing and that you were trying, which was, one was like, uh, being an Amazon affiliate program.

[00:20:25] Whitney: Another one was, uh, some, what was it? 

[00:20:28] Aaron: I mean, I tried Uber. 

[00:20:30] Whitney: You tried Uber? There was one more thing. 

[00:20:32] Aaron: Um, it 

[00:20:33] Whitney: was like a $2,000 course that you paid 

[00:20:34] Aaron: for. Oh yeah. It was a, it was similar to the Amazon thing. Okay. Amazon, like, it’s basically SEO make websites and like Yeah. Link building and whatever. Right. So stuff that, that ended up not working.

[00:20:44] Aaron: And I was, I was trying, but I was hardly trying. I don’t know. Did you know that I was spending like an hour or two on that and I was mostly playing video games? 

[00:20:50] Whitney: No, because I wasn’t, I wasn’t investigating. Right. I wasn’t investigating you. I was, we were just starting out our lives and I was just like, you know, I’m [00:21:00] working.

[00:21:00] Whitney: And then when I came home, that was that. So, um. And I wanted to have kids. And I remember that you didn’t wanna have kids, and I wanted to have kids, so then I had to handle you to have kids. And you know, I’m not just the kind of person that just takes, like, if you don’t wanna have kids, okay, you don’t wanna have kids, I’m gonna just not have kids then.

[00:21:20] Whitney: No. I’m like, I’m not gonna give up until you decide you’re gonna have kids. And uh, and uh, she was 

[00:21:26] Aaron: ready to violate me basically, as 

[00:21:28] Brad: Denise said. 

[00:21:29] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. That’s, 

[00:21:30] Whitney: that’s her. And, and I was like, okay. Um, now I’m gonna talk to your mother because I knew that, you know, he’s, he’s a Hispanic and 

[00:21:40] Brad: listens to his mom.

[00:21:41] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:21:42] Brad: Is that a thing Hispanic 

[00:21:43] Whitney: can 

[00:21:43] Brad: listen to their mom, right? 

[00:21:44] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:21:44] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:45] Whitney: And if you don’t, they’re in trouble. Good Hispanic 

[00:21:47] Aaron: men. Not, not, not all Hispanic men. 

[00:21:48] Okay. 

[00:21:48] Brad: Okay. Good. 

[00:21:49] Whitney: But Erin’s a is a very amazingly sweet and kind person. Agreed. So, so he definitely listens to his mom, which, you know, I knew that, so I called her [00:22:00] and I was like, Sula, I need your help because I wanna have kids.

[00:22:03] Whitney: And Aaron says he is not ready, and I, I’m ready. Like, I don’t care what happens. We could just have kids. It’ll be okay. Everything I know, everything will be okay. Mm-hmm. We just need to start having kids. ’cause I’m 30, so, um, and I wanna, I wanna have kids. So she was like, okay, let me talk to her. I 

[00:22:21] Aaron: think you were 27.

[00:22:23] Aaron: 26? 

[00:22:24] Whitney: No, I was 30. 

[00:22:25] Aaron: That was 2015. 

[00:22:28] Whitney: Luna’s 11 and I’m now 42. 

[00:22:31] Aaron: Okay. Okay. So what, 

[00:22:32] Whitney: I was 30. Okay. 

[00:22:34] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:22:34] Whitney: That’s why 

[00:22:35] Brad: she knows the math bro. 

[00:22:36] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:22:36] Whitney: I, because plus nine months, something changed, something changed when I hit 30, I was like, I wanna have kids. Oh no. I wanna have kids. Right. So, because like, I’m 

[00:22:47] Brad: running outta time.

[00:22:48] Whitney: We, we, we were, I was working for the church, you know, for my church for 15 years. And all of a sudden I hit 30. I was like, all, something turned on me and I was like, I wanna have kids. And there was like this, [00:23:00] this drive. 

[00:23:00] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:01] Whitney: So when 

[00:23:02] Aaron: a very strong drive 

[00:23:03] Whitney: for sure. And I wasn’t gonna get my dis my, you know, purpose of what I wanted to do stopped because I loved Aaron and I know he loved me.

[00:23:12] Whitney: So we’re gonna do this. 

[00:23:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:14] Aaron: And I, and I will say like, now that, you know, we have four kids and we meet a lot of couples. Yeah. I find it very interesting because what, what happened in this scenario, which, we’ll, we can get into a bit further of exactly how that went down, but you don’t need both people to want a child.

[00:23:29] Aaron: You just need one person to want a child truth actually, to really want a child. And if you really want that child, I’ve seen that you can convince the other person because they’re married to, you guys have committed to each other for life in most cases. I’ve talked to some people that have, like they said they were gonna get married and they only planned to be married for a few years.

[00:23:46] Aaron: I thought it was shocking. The first time I heard that from somebody, I thought it was a shocker. I’m like. 

[00:23:49] Brad: What, 

[00:23:50] Aaron: what I, I, I, I thought like everybody got married and they intended to stay together forever. 

[00:23:54] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:54] Aaron: But some people get married to, to not be together forever. It’s weird. I don’t know. 

[00:23:58] Brad: That’s really weird.

[00:23:59] Aaron: I I, I’ve [00:24:00] never met 

[00:24:00] Brad: anyone who would openly 

[00:24:01] Aaron: admit that. Well, yeah, you have to ask them. Have you ever asked somebody, have you ever asked them tend 

[00:24:05] Brad: to stay married the rest of your life 

[00:24:06] Aaron: when you got married? You haven’t, the first time I asked somebody, they’re like, no. I was like, oh, oh, that’s weird. Anyway, sorry.

[00:24:12] Aaron: So, whoa, so let’s just put it, just, just put it this way. So what 

[00:24:15] Brad: a good question. 

[00:24:16] Aaron: Yeah. It’s no, absolutely. Like at the time of marriage, do you intend to be married your whole life? 

[00:24:19] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:24:20] Aaron: And I bet you there’s people that will be like, no. I’m like, what? It’s very strange. Anyway, that wasn’t the case with us.

[00:24:25] Aaron: Um, right, Whitney? 

[00:24:27] Whitney: Correct. 

[00:24:27] Aaron: Thank you. 

[00:24:28] Brad: He’s like, 

[00:24:28] Aaron: exactly. I’m like, it wasn’t for me, but I didn’t actually ask. Okay. He’s 

[00:24:31] Brad: like, I never asked you, 

[00:24:33] Aaron: but there’s couples that, let’s say the woman wants a child and they’re like, we’ll wait and we’ll wait and we’ll wait. And, and, and 15 years go by, and finally they agree to do it.

[00:24:43] Aaron: And then none of they, they can’t have a baby. 

[00:24:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:24:46] Aaron: Whitney took extremely fast action. She was like, she wouldn’t take no for an answer. Mm-hmm. Um, do you want to, okay, keep going. 

[00:24:53] Whitney: That’s just how I am in life. So in any, in any area of my life, I’m very, uh, uh, when I decide [00:25:00] something, I’m not gonna stop at anything until I get what I want.

[00:25:04] Whitney: And that’s how I’ve been from when I was a little girl, and my dad knows this, and he is like, Aaron, good luck. You know, and he’s, and, uh, he, and, and he’s, he, you know, anyways, that’s just how I’ve always been. And I think it’s actually very good quality because that’s how we’ve been able to, you know, do everything that we, we have done in our lives.

[00:25:25] Whitney: And back to the question, to answer your question originally about, uh, the money subject. So we realized pretty quickly we weren’t, that wasn’t gonna cut it making $22 an hour, right? 

[00:25:37] Brad: 23 with bonuses, 

[00:25:38] Whitney: right. 23 with bonuses. And, um, so he then. Did his programming, uh, bootcamp, which was Whoa, 

[00:25:47] Aaron: whoa. Wait, wait.

[00:25:48] Aaron: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whitney, 

[00:25:52] Whitney: what? 

[00:25:52] Aaron: So, okay, so she said she called my mom to have the baby. Yeah, yeah. And, and, and convince and, and it’s not like I didn’t want to have babies. And I think [00:26:00] that’s another thing I I, I just thought, we’re not ready. We don’t have the money. We don’t have the money. But I, you know, Whitney has a very good point, which is like, my cousin, one of my cousins had a child when she was 16.

[00:26:11] Aaron: Okay. Yeah. And you think this and blah. And at the time everyone’s like, that was the end of the world and also terrible and horrible, and how could it be? And she got marked up and blah, blah. 

[00:26:18] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:26:19] Aaron: Now she’s happily married. She has four children. She’s doing amazing. She has a great job. Her family’s put together, like, oops.

[00:26:27] Aaron: We weren’t in that scenario. 

[00:26:28] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:26:29] Aaron: we weren’t. I mean, as you said, you were 30. Uh, she had a decent job. We have loving families like. You have a baby, things will be wor, things will work out. 

[00:26:37] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:26:38] Aaron: Things are gonna work out. But I didn’t see it that way. Mm. And so when she got my mom to call me, my mom said like, why won’t you give your wife a baby?

[00:26:45] Aaron: And Oh, I said, because no, I, because I’m not ready. We don’t have enough money, blah, blah, blah. And she said, what’s the worst that could happen? 

[00:26:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:52] Aaron: Um, and I said, well, we’re gonna live under the bridge and the baby will be drinking from the dirty water, like on the sewage. And we’ll be [00:27:00] taking, you know, apple course outta the like, dripping 

[00:27:01] Brad: down.

[00:27:01] Aaron: Yeah. Like, like, that’s like the milk and like the garbage can, like that’s, I told her, I gave her the story. I’m like, that’s what would happen, uh, if we had a baby boring 

[00:27:09] Brad: banana peels as a diaper. 

[00:27:10] Aaron: Yeah. But exactly. Like I, I, we don’t have the money. And, and my mom, my mom, literally, I could hear her rolling her eyes on the phone.

[00:27:15] Aaron: ’cause she was in Miami. I was gonna, and she said, add on, you know, like 

[00:27:21] Brad: add on. 

[00:27:22] Aaron: If you go anywhere near that and you think you’ll not have a place to sleep, I’ll buy your ticket back to Miami. For you and your wife, you will live in my house. I’ll give you a job at the office, and I will pay all the bills for your baby.

[00:27:43] Aaron: Is there any other reason you wouldn’t give your wife a baby? Wow. And I sat long and hard for this question. 

[00:27:50] Whitney: It’s true. 

[00:27:51] Aaron: I sat there and I, is there any other reason? And I’m looking for one really hard. [00:28:00] Um, okay. It’s not age, it’s not, it’s not the money. No. Like I, I, and she said, okay, bye. And she hung up the phone and then Whitney’s there smiling, you know?

[00:28:15] Aaron: So how’d it go?

[00:28:19] Aaron: Anyway, so, so at that point, uh, we started going for the baby. And um, 

[00:28:24] Whitney: this is one of the reasons why I loved the fact that we named our company after July because she’s been there for us for. She’s had our back. She’s had my back. Um, and I love her very much so, yeah. 

[00:28:39] Aaron: And then, uh, after she got pregnant, 

[00:28:41] Brad: yeah, 

[00:28:41] Aaron: that’s actually around the first time.

[00:28:43] Aaron: I’m like, I actually need to do something with my own life and pursue something more heavily than like mm-hmm. Trying to make a business 20% of the time playing video games 80% of the time. Mm-hmm. And whatever, like, that was actually my day. My day was roughly split up into maybe 10%. I’m trying to work and the rest of the time [00:29:00] is doing nothing.

[00:29:01] Brad: Oh my God. 

[00:29:01] Aaron: That was actually, that was where I was at. 

[00:29:03] Whitney: Right. 

[00:29:04] Aaron: And so, um, I got pregnant. That’s later on. You know, that’s when we, our any business venture really started after the pregnancy. So I just wanna say like, until she was pregnant, my drive to actually do something significant did not exist. Mm-hmm.

[00:29:18] Aaron: Like maybe it existed but was dormant somewhere hidden. Um, I just wanna 

[00:29:22] Whitney: mention, in fact, on the survival rundown, which is a rundown you can do in the Church of Scientology, it’s the rundown you can do right after doing the purification rundown. So Aaron was on this rundown, um, 12 years ago in our church in San Francisco.

[00:29:35] Whitney: And while 

[00:29:36] Aaron: she was pregnant 

[00:29:36] Whitney: while I was pregnant, and he had this realization that I’m a father, I’m already a father. The baby hasn’t come yet, but I’m already a father. 

[00:29:46] Aaron: So she was like three months pregnant maybe. 

[00:29:47] Whitney: Yeah. And then he is like, okay, I have to make, I have to actually make money. ’cause he was making, at that time, he’d already, I got a job, bought a job, 

[00:29:54] Aaron: 20 bucks.

[00:29:54] Whitney: He was making $20 an hour. 

[00:29:56] Brad: Hey, that’s 43 with bonuses. Come on. 

[00:29:58] Whitney: Yep. Yep. [00:30:00] And then he was like, okay, I have to actually get a, I have to get a better job. And he did a bunch of research and found the best way to do so. And the best way to get a very, a good high paying job was through computer programming. So he did all of his research and found the best school that existed in that time.

[00:30:17] Whitney: In the San Francisco Bay area. And, and 

[00:30:20] Aaron: this is not a college school. This is a vocational school where you go for three months. Yeah. And you work literally study code for 90 hours a week, approximately 80 to 90 hours a week. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:31] Whitney: Some people lived at the location at the school. 

[00:30:33] Aaron: Yeah. They, they, you could sleep on the floor like in a little, in a little cot 

[00:30:36] you 

[00:30:36] Whitney: bring, you bring a cost.

[00:30:37] Aaron: Oh, nice. Yeah. The school’s called App Academy still around. 

[00:30:40] Whitney: So he did that, that school. So he quit his job, did that school. And which by the way, it was a very hard school to get into. Only I think 2%. 

[00:30:51] Aaron: Yeah. 2.8% of the people get in and Harvard is like 4.3%. 

[00:30:55] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:30:55] Aaron: I understand. Like Harvard. Wow. Four, four, 4% of people get in this place, like sub 3%.

[00:30:59] Brad: [00:31:00] That’s amazing. Yeah. 

[00:31:01] Whitney: So then he, he got in and then he had to handle the owner of the school to let him get into the, the cohort that was starting right away because I was about to deliver in three months and he wanted to be done with the school by the time I delivered our first child. So he handled the owner and he got in on that cohort and, um, got through it.

[00:31:23] Whitney: And while I was delivering our first child literally pushing, he got the job offer and he is like, I got the job. 

[00:31:31] Brad: Wow. 

[00:31:32] Whitney: While I was pushing in the, in the, in the, uh, a hospital. So I was like, did did he tell you while 

[00:31:38] Brad: you 

[00:31:38] Whitney: were pushing? Yes. 

[00:31:39] Brad: What did you remember? 

[00:31:40] Aaron: Hold on. I remember a different way. I remember, hold on.

[00:31:42] Whitney: I, can we talk about that later? 

[00:31:44] Aaron: No, no. Hold on. I remember a different way. Okay. So pushing pushing is a very intense activity and that’s very active. Um, but there’s, there’s, but. There’s, there’s contractions. Yeah. And then there’s like the contractions inside. 

[00:31:58] Whitney: Okay. The little moments in between. It was moment 

[00:31:59] Aaron: between [00:32:00] moments.

[00:32:00] Aaron: It wasn’t during a pushing. Okay. It was a moments in between. It was between, 

[00:32:05] Whitney: but I still said, okay, that’s great, Erin. I’m so happy. 

[00:32:07] Aaron: You’re like, okay. Like, what is it? Yeah. You were not, I mean, it’s okay. I don’t blame you. I would not have been like, it was irrelevant. It was irrelevant at the moment. At that moment I thought it was very relevant.

[00:32:18] Aaron: She thought it was irrelevant. She’s like, who cares? Like, and I’m like, okay, I have a 

[00:32:23] Brad: question. Did you get this job offer or via text? Email. Email or phone? Email. So you were checking your, well, actually, I, 

[00:32:28] Aaron: I’m gonna have to, I have no job. I have a baby coming. I have no income. Of 

[00:32:32] Whitney: course, I’m gonna check 

[00:32:33] Aaron: my email.

[00:32:33] Brad: So between the pushing, you’re checking the email? Yeah. 

[00:32:35] Aaron: Like, like 

[00:32:35] Brad: realize the birth. I’ll say, I’ll say between the pushes. I was not checking my, 

[00:32:39] Aaron: no, I was, 

[00:32:40] Brad: I just have to say, 

[00:32:41] Aaron: hold on. How long, how long was the whole birth? The birth thing, delivery 

[00:32:45] Brad: actually pushed for 12 hours and then went into C-section.

[00:32:47] Aaron: So that 

[00:32:48] Brad: pushing didn’t check my 

[00:32:48] Aaron: phone the whole time, but what about, what about the, what about befores? A 

[00:32:51] Brad: lie? 

[00:32:51] That’s 

[00:32:51] Brad: a lie. 

[00:32:52] Whitney: The first one was 48 hours for me. 

[00:32:53] Aaron: But that’s not pushing of labor. This is labor. This is during labor, not during pushing. 

[00:32:56] Brad: Okay, good. 

[00:32:57] Aaron: Pushing D It was not doing is 

[00:32:58] different. 

[00:32:58] Aaron: We were not in the pushing brother.

[00:32:59] Brad: Oh, [00:33:00] okay, okay, okay. 

[00:33:00] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, 

[00:33:00] yeah, 

[00:33:01] Brad: yeah. That’s fine. Yeah. 

[00:33:02] Aaron: There’s a d look 

[00:33:03] Brad: that’s, 

[00:33:03] Aaron: you’re still pushing in away, but just not pushing the baby. They’re still pushing ball. 

[00:33:06] Brad: It’s not pushing voluntarily. 

[00:33:07] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:33:08] Brad: Involuntary 

[00:33:09] Aaron: push. It was in labor. Yeah. 

[00:33:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:33:10] Aaron: It was like mid labor. It wasn’t, anyway, take 

[00:33:14] Brad: it.

[00:33:14] Brad: I was, I’m thinking here, I’m like, had 

[00:33:15] Aaron: a 

[00:33:15] Brad: friend whose wife just 

[00:33:16] Aaron: pushed No, it’s not like the head popping out and I’m like, lemme check my email. You. No, 

[00:33:19] Whitney: I pushed three times. 

[00:33:20] Brad: You’re like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Three 

[00:33:22] Aaron: pushes. 

[00:33:22] Brad: Okay, so we’re just clear pushing is separate from being in labor. 

[00:33:25] Aaron: No, but listen, different.

[00:33:26] Aaron: She allowed to say it however she wants to. ’cause it’s okay. 

[00:33:28] Whitney: I 

[00:33:28] was, 

[00:33:29] Brad: she was the one dramatic. 

[00:33:30] Whitney: Okay. 

[00:33:30] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:33:31] Whitney: Okay. Alright, Aaron, 

[00:33:32] Brad: now that we’ve straightened out the facts, okay, I have a question. Yeah. Mid of all of this, um, did you, did you like, feel like he had some like, like. I’ve talked to Ashley, my wife, about this.

[00:33:47] Brad: Yeah. And during my kind of like screw around phase, it sounds like you had your screw around phase. I had a different screw around phase, but we’re just screwing around. We’re not just not getting anything done, you know, serious. Not, not with other 

[00:33:58] Aaron: girls, just with other, with no businesses. 

[00:33:59] Brad: Mine was [00:34:00] 

[00:34:00] Aaron: both, I’m just saying.

[00:34:00] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 

[00:34:01] Brad: Sorry. So a little bit anyways, but during, during that period of just mess, you know, just wasting time. Yeah. Just time wasting. 

[00:34:08] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:10] Brad: I guess I’ve talked to Ashley about this and she’s like, well, but I knew that you were gonna do something. She’s like, I knew that you had a potential.

[00:34:16] Brad: Did you have that kind of like 

[00:34:18] Whitney: Yes, of 

[00:34:18] course 

[00:34:18] Brad: knowingness. Yeah. 

[00:34:20] Whitney: Yeah, of course I did. 

[00:34:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:34:22] Whitney: I mean, I could, I already knew, like I would never Good perception. Married. Married him. 

[00:34:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:34:26] Whitney: I waited 10 years to find the guy that I knew that was gonna make, that was gonna be able to, you know, be amazing. 

[00:34:32] Brad: What do, and obviously it’s been a really good decision.

[00:34:34] Brad: Like you guys have a beautiful, beautiful marriage. Your kids are freaking awesome. You have a great life. Gradin. 

[00:34:39] Whitney: Absolutely 

[00:34:40] Brad: agree. Yeah. So what do you think Whitney makes women not, because obviously that would be good advice for, for women. 

[00:34:47] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:34:47] Brad: To marry the guy who you’re like, this guy’s, this guy’s making it 

[00:34:51] Whitney: for sure.

[00:34:51] Brad: Like whatever your version of making it is. What do you think? Why? But I feel like a lot of women don’t do that. 

[00:34:56] Whitney: Well, I think it comes down to a person knowing what they want in [00:35:00] life. 

[00:35:00] Brad: Mm. 

[00:35:01] Whitney: Like what, what are their goals? What are their purposes? What do they wanna accomplish? And then finding out from that guy, what is his goals and purposes, what does he wanna accomplish?

[00:35:10] Whitney: And making sure everything aligns. Now, of course, when we were first, like, when we first got together, we were, we were working for our church. My goals and purposes was not to have children and neither was his. 

[00:35:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:22] Whitney: Um, so in the end, at that time. At that time, yeah. And when we were working there, 

[00:35:28] Aaron: I actually didn’t think we were gonna have kids.

[00:35:29] Whitney: Yeah. Meaning I 

[00:35:30] didn’t 

[00:35:30] Aaron: attend at, at all. I had intend, 

[00:35:32] Whitney: I didn’t, but all of a sudden I turned 30 and I was like, whoa. I wanna have kids. It just turned on. I don’t know. That’s what happened. 

[00:35:38] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:35:39] Whitney: Um, so, so anyways, that’s that. 

[00:35:44] Aaron: But as you can see, you see who the true leader is in this relationship. Uh, ’cause that was literally not on the map whatsoever.

[00:35:52] Aaron: Yeah. It wasn’t the 

[00:35:53] Whitney: plan. 

[00:35:54] Aaron: This is what’s happening. And I, I kind of almost had no say in it, which is okay with me. 

[00:35:57] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:35:58] Aaron: Because truthfully, [00:36:00] it was so amazing. Like, I really don’t think our life would be even 10%. As full, complete, amazing without the children. 

[00:36:07] Whitney: And I would say that with each child, it’s given us more drive to, to rise to the next level.

[00:36:13] Whitney: Yeah. And so when Luna was born, we were like, okay, we need to make more money. We’re gonna start this new business. We started this Amazon, he bought the, he bought the, the course it was five grand. We had to put it on a credit card. 

[00:36:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:24] Whitney: But you know, it was like taking these little risks. Right. And 

[00:36:28] Brad: probably huge at the time.

[00:36:29] Whitney: At that time it was big because it’s a credit card, you know, we don’t have the money. And at the time we already had, I think around 60 grand in credit card debt. So it wasn’t like that was nothing. Yeah. And, and the income at that time was 120 grand annually. ’cause I wasn’t working now. At that time I was with our daughter while he was working full-time.

[00:36:47] Whitney: So that was that, um, 

[00:36:48] Brad: at the job he got while you were pushing 

[00:36:50] Whitney: That’s right. That’s 

[00:36:51] Aaron: right. That’s right. 

[00:36:52] Brad: Programming. 

[00:36:53] Whitney: Yeah. So, but with, with the, with the business, you know, if you put that same amount of [00:37:00] dedication into your own life and effort and everything that you have towards working and helping other people like I had done for 15 years, and you put that same amount of effort, push and drive into creating your life and, and creating amazing products that will create happiness in the kitchen and make, hopefully uplifting people’s lives.

[00:37:20] Whitney: Because when people cook in the kitchen, what we’ve experienced, their family comes together mm-hmm. And then they eat together, which is a beautiful thing. And it’s healthy and it’s good in most cases. And so, being able 

[00:37:33] Aaron: to, I wanna add, I wanna add a little story. 

[00:37:35] Whitney: Okay. 

[00:37:36] Aaron: When we first moved in together in California, um, we were not used to cooking at all.

[00:37:43] Aaron: I don’t think Whitney had probably cooked for more over 10 years. Like zero cooking. 

[00:37:47] Whitney: Yeah, that’s right. 

[00:37:48] Aaron: Um, and I don’t know, how was it my mom that told you, Hey, why don’t you make a cheesecake for, what was this story? How did that happen? What was this thing that you started cooking? 

[00:37:57] Whitney: Oh, 

[00:37:57] Aaron: how did that 

[00:37:57] Whitney: happen?

[00:37:57] Whitney: My dad, when was 

[00:37:58] Aaron: your dad? 

[00:37:59] Whitney: He told me I had [00:38:00] to cook. It’s not an option. When, when, when, when? When we were starting out, out from nothing. And we, we moved into a little apartment in Santa Rosa, which is the Bay Area. San Francisco Bay area. Yeah. Um, he, he came over and, you know, he gave me the basics of cooking.

[00:38:14] Whitney: And, you know, he’s Persian, so he, you know, the, the, the wife, you know, you definitely cook and you’re. You know how to cook. So he gave me the basics of cooking and he just went over it with me verbally. And he was like, you need to start cooking. No, you cannot not know how to cook. You need to cook. And he was really on my ass about this cooking thing.

[00:38:35] Whitney: And then, and then he was like, thank 

[00:38:35] Aaron: you Carlos. Thank you. 

[00:38:37] Whitney: You, he would call me and say, okay, what did you make? Oh, okay, now. And then I, I could call him if I had a question. Okay, so I did this and this. Then 

[00:38:43] Brad: he’s 

[00:38:43] Whitney: like, 

[00:38:44] Brad: getting compliance reports on the dinner. 

[00:38:45] Whitney: Yeah. That’s my dad. He’s like a, he’s like me. I mean, I’m like my dad in some, in a lot of ways.

[00:38:52] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:52] Whitney: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s, he, he’s kind of a beast. 

[00:38:56] Brad: Yeah, it sounds like 

[00:38:57] Whitney: it. He’s a big teddy bearer though, at the same time. [00:39:00] Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:39:01] Aaron: And then, and then my mom came over as well 

[00:39:03] Whitney: and then, and then she taught me how to do cheesecake. So we went to Miami and then she was like, okay, this is how you do cheesecake.

[00:39:08] Whitney: ’cause she had this amazing cheesecake recipe. And then I’ve always just made the cheesecake since that time, usually for different occasions. So, um, it’s so simple and it’s an easy recipe and, you know. We love doing it. 

[00:39:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:22] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:39:22] Brad: Yeah. And what, like, whose, whose idea was it to do kitchen products? 

[00:39:27] Whitney: Aaron’s.

[00:39:27] Brad: That was Aaron’s. Yeah, for 

[00:39:28] Whitney: sure. He did a bunch of product research. Um, but I was the one who tested them all and gave all the different data because he would go to work. When he would leave to work, he would give me a, a like a plan of what I had to get done that day. 

[00:39:41] Brad: Oh really? 

[00:39:41] Whitney: For the business. Oh wow.

[00:39:43] Whitney: And it was like a little, little mini plan. ’cause I obviously was with baby. The baby, right? 

[00:39:46] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:39:47] Whitney: Um, so it 

[00:39:48] Brad: was like drop this lemon, squeeze on the ground 14 times 

[00:39:51] Whitney: something. Yeah. Literally like that. 

[00:39:53] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:39:53] Whitney: And then keep record. Okay. This one did this. When you drop it that many times that one did.

[00:39:57] Whitney: This one you did. And then he gave [00:40:00] me, uh, you know, okay, these are all the six squeezers. I want you to test them all. Use the same size, uh, lemon. Every single one has to be the same size. 

[00:40:08] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:09] Whitney: Measure the yield. Each lemon gives. Oh 

[00:40:12] wow. 

[00:40:13] Whitney: Measure the yield. Each lime gives. So we can actually just see which one is the best.

[00:40:18] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:18] Whitney: By statistic. Oh, wow. And then see which one, which one is the one we are gonna produce in the end. Because we wanted to provide a very, uh, good quality product that that delivers. Yeah. And 

[00:40:31] Aaron: from my memory, this, this part we did together. 

[00:40:34] Whitney: No, I did it. And then basically you came and checked it when you got home.

[00:40:38] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:40:38] Whitney: That’s why you think that I 

[00:40:39] Aaron: kind remember doing it, but I dunno. Okay. 

[00:40:41] Whitney: Okay. Yes, you did. You did. I had it all written out and I, and basically it came down to two or three of them that, that were like the runner ups. So you, I had like 10, 10 squeezers. I had to check mm-hmm. All of them. And I said, okay, Aaron, this, this, and this one are the ones that are like comparable, but really this one’s the best.

[00:40:58] Whitney: And then you sidetracked [00:41:00] those three. I did all of them. 

[00:41:02] Aaron: Okay. Okay. Okay. 

[00:41:03] Whitney: But yes, you did do also sun checking for sure. Because you sidetracked it because you’re very, he’s, Aaron is very significant and anal about things. 

[00:41:13] Aaron: Meticulous. 

[00:41:14] Whitney: Meticulous. That’s detail 

[00:41:16] Aaron: oriented. That’s 

[00:41:16] Whitney: over 

[00:41:16] Aaron: you. 

[00:41:17] Whitney: Aaron is definitely very meticulous.

[00:41:20] Brad: Are 

[00:41:20] Whitney: you not 

[00:41:20] Brad: detail oriented, 

[00:41:21] Whitney: please? No, 

[00:41:22] Brad: really, 

[00:41:23] Whitney: I am about certain things. 

[00:41:24] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:41:25] Whitney: But he is, he’s 

[00:41:26] Aaron: more of a bulldozer. 

[00:41:27] Brad: Oh, oh yeah. Than like, you know, just get it done, 

[00:41:28] Aaron: you know? Yeah. 

[00:41:29] Brad: Oh, makes sense. Right? 

[00:41:30] Whitney: Yes. I’m a bulldog, I’m a bulldozer. I just get it done and I ride over things. 

[00:41:36] Brad: You’re, you are, I’m gonna, I could be totally wrong.

[00:41:40] Brad: You can cuss me out if I’m wrong, but you’re the, you’re the artist in this relationship. 

[00:41:43] Whitney: He is. He is for sure. I 

[00:41:45] Aaron: think 

[00:41:45] Brad: I’m, 

[00:41:45] Aaron: yeah. I, 

[00:41:46] Brad: okay. 

[00:41:46] Whitney: No, you are. 

[00:41:47] Brad: Wow. 

[00:41:47] Whitney: For sure. Aaron, you’re the creative and I’m the executioner. Executor. 

[00:41:51] Brad: By that she means executioner. 

[00:41:55] Aaron: She means she, she means she kills the targets. 

[00:41:57] Whitney: Executer, executor.

[00:41:58] Aaron: I’m just joking. 

[00:41:59] Brad: Yeah, yeah. [00:42:00] Killing the targets. Exactly. Oh my God. 

[00:42:02] Whitney: He’s absolutely the creative, which is why I am also the, I also like protect, and so does he. Uh, also, Whitney’s also 

[00:42:10] Aaron: an artist. Whitney’s an artist, but like, on, like clothing, on like decor, on like spaces, colors, things of that nature. She is very much an artist.

[00:42:19] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:20] Aaron: Um, in, you know, product, I’m probably a lot more focused on that. And like, I mean, if you actually, you know what, I’m gonna put a song guys. I have a song that I sang for my wife and recorded a music video. I’m gonna put it in the, in the comments so you guys can see. So actually I was 

[00:42:33] Brad: there. 

[00:42:34] Aaron: Y yeah, uh, you were there.

[00:42:35] Brad: Is that the opening of this office, wasn’t it? 

[00:42:37] Aaron: No, that was a different one. One. 

[00:42:38] Brad: Oh, it 

[00:42:39] Aaron: was? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was one 

[00:42:40] Whitney: that had my, uh, third child. 

[00:42:41] Brad: Oh, okay. 

[00:42:42] Aaron: Great. Yeah. So I’m gonna, I’ll put that in the comments. So yeah, in terms of artists, like I like to write, I still have, I still, you know what? I need to write a book.

[00:42:49] Aaron: This is the year to write the book and publish. Um, I’ve always, I’ve always wanted to be a writer. You mean this is 

[00:42:54] Brad: the month to write the 

[00:42:55] Aaron: book. Okay. This is the month. What’s the. By the time when this episode comes out, [00:43:00] it’ll be the month I think we can do it. Like, I think it’s no problem. I’ve written a few short stories and stuff like that, so, but, um, but it’s artists in different, in different areas.

[00:43:07] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. 

[00:43:10] Brad: Okay. So what’s, what’s the division of hats in the business? Like what, oh, actually, you know what, before we get into that, I, I did wanna point out like what you were talking about. Can, can you expl like there’s a lot of like Scientology and Scientological principles. I just say that ’cause it sounds like a fancy word.

[00:43:26] Brad: Yeah. But like a lot of what you just said about how you guys picked the products, built up the business, it, it all comes back to technology developed by our Ron Hubbard 

[00:43:35] Whitney: for sure. Yes, I did. I studied a lot when I was, you know, working in the church and also even now. 

[00:43:40] Brad: Yeah. Can you point out some of the key principles in there?

[00:43:42] Brad: ’cause as you’re going, I’m like, okay, statistics, best product, like. Exchange, you know, 

[00:43:47] Whitney: so, um, operating by statistics, right, is one of them. So where you look at the stats, and we did that by looking at the yield of every single product that we were testing and seeing which one was [00:44:00] producing the best based on actual physical numbers that you can see in, in, like right there when you’re testing.

[00:44:08] Whitney: Um, then also, what else do you think? Um, 

[00:44:13] Brad: and that would be, you want me to say 

[00:44:14] Whitney: importance is, you know, also data series evaluators, being able to evaluate information and seeing the similarities, differences in identities between things. If you’re able to see the, the similarities, differences in identities, you are that much more analytical and you can make that much, uh, better decisions at a faster pace.

[00:44:34] Whitney: And that have a more, uh, that have a faster, uh, result that you wanna get. Mm. 

[00:44:39] Aaron: And by identities you mean things that are identical. They’re the same. That’s what identities means in that definition. And if you wanna learn more about that, you go to http://www.scientology.org/investigations. You have the full, not the full, but a pretty, an introduction of the concepts and ideas of exactly what she’s talking about.

[00:44:56] Aaron: And when she says data series evaluators, that’s the advanced course. And this is the intro course available [00:45:00] for everybody right now. And it’s free, um, on the link. Yeah, it’s free, absolutely free. That’s correct. 

[00:45:03] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:45:03] Brad: So the, the little thing as he’s saying the course, I don’t know if you know this, but he, well, no, you probably do know this, but I, I comment on this in the episodes all the time.

[00:45:11] Brad: He knows all the links, like all the full URLs for all the different courses. Like every time somebody’s like, and you can take a course on that. What’s that course? He’s like, it’s scientology.org/study, or it’s slash investigation or slash whatever. It’s very impressive. 

[00:45:26] Whitney: It is very impressive. 

[00:45:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:45:27] Whitney: Yes, 

[00:45:28] Brad: smart dude.

[00:45:28] Whitney: He’s very smart. 

[00:45:31] Brad: Yes. Okay. So you guys now have, there’s four kids, booming business, huge contributors to our church, right? What’s like, what’s the next, what’s an, there’s a book coming. What, what else is next? Like, Whitney as kind of like the, as Aaron acknowledged the leader that are, is Whitney the goal maker in the relationship?

[00:45:55] Brad: Like do you, are you the goal maker? 

[00:45:57] Whitney: I, I think we would do it together. 

[00:45:59] Aaron: We do. We do it together. I mean, [00:46:00] yeah. Mm-hmm. I think there’s, she’s a leader in a lot in areas. Yeah. Uh, and I’m a leader in different areas, so we kind of were, obviously we’re both, as she said before, like you need to be able to be controlled.

[00:46:08] Aaron: Like sometimes she says something and I’m gonna say, yes, absolutely. That’s how it goes. And then sometimes I’ll say, Hey, we’re gonna do something. And that’s how it goes. And so it’s like a, I, I don’t think there’s just a single leader, but I think in different areas and different, you know, different subjects.

[00:46:19] Aaron: Yeah. Uh, kind of goes back and forth. Goals that we do actually the very beginning. Right. Be right. Uh. When you were pregnant with Luna or with Violet? I think it was with Luna. With Luna, yeah. We went to the church spiritual retreat, uh, called the Free ones. Okay. It’s a, it’s a ship, it’s a cruise ship and you go there and 

[00:46:37] Brad: big old boat.

[00:46:38] Aaron: Yep. And we did a, uh, uh, a convention together. And as part of that, we wrote down all of the goals on every different area of our lives. 

[00:46:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:46:46] Aaron: Um, and it was incredible because I don’t know how many, like we look back at it like seven years later and they were all like, everything was done except 

[00:46:53] Brad: one. Wow.

[00:46:54] Aaron: Um. To get a six pack. Oh, damnit, [00:47:00] that was my only one. You guys said it together 

[00:47:02] Brad: too. 

[00:47:02] Aaron: That was the only one. That was everything else. You, everything else that 

[00:47:06] Brad: has to 

[00:47:06] Aaron: go in, like 

[00:47:07] Brad: the cutting, like when 

[00:47:08] Aaron: we 

[00:47:08] Brad: cut up 

[00:47:08] Aaron: the episode in the beginning. Oh my God. I mean, really, like, that was somehow that physical thing.

[00:47:15] Aaron: That was 

[00:47:15] Brad: awesome. 

[00:47:16] Aaron: I haven’t done that one either yet. We, we still have some We years. I had one and 

[00:47:18] Brad: I lost it. 

[00:47:19] Aaron: Yeah. Okay. Um, but it was like, we made it all those goals together. Yeah. And we actually, we did it separate and then we compared notes and like, okay, we, and we kind of came together with the list and aligned them.

[00:47:29] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:47:30] Aaron: Yes. It was very successful. And that was, it’s an amazing place where, you know, and, uh, when you make these decisions, long term decisions, it’s very light. It’s not like, well, how are you gonna do it? What is this? It’s like, no, I want, I want this. We wanna have blah. And, and, and, and you just decide it.

[00:47:43] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:47:43] Aaron: You know, and you just then, then you do it. Like, it’s not super complicated. It’s actually easy. You just set goals together and then. Then somehow they all happened. I actually didn’t even expect. It was kind of strange. Like I wrote them, I’m like, cool, this will be nice. And I want that to happen. But I wasn’t like this.

[00:47:58] Aaron: I don’t know. It’s different. Everybody [00:48:00] has a different kind of style and method, right? Like the Grant Cardone of the world is like goodness. Like a lot of push. 

[00:48:05] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:48:06] Aaron: I don’t know. I’m, she’s more of the pusher than I’m the pusher. Mm. Right. You would agree with this? Yeah. And I, I’m like, okay, cool. Let’s just do this.

[00:48:15] Aaron: And so I know we, we operate differently and I think it works good together. It’s like yin and yang. 

[00:48:18] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:48:18] Aaron: I tell, I tell my daughter We’re yin and yang. 

[00:48:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:48:21] Aaron: And uh, ’cause sometimes she’s upset, maybe she’s rough or I’m rough or she’s too nice or I’m too, I don’t know. And then she’s picking and I go, listen, your mom and I are yin and yang.

[00:48:31] Aaron: Right. Like the flowing water or the flowing water and then like the rock and the, I don’t know, all the theory of this thing. Yeah. But I feel like that’s, honestly it’s been very good. ’cause we’re not the same exact type of person. Yeah. We’re actually quite different. It works out very well. 

[00:48:44] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:48:44] Whitney: for sure.

[00:48:45] Whitney: Okay, so how we work out like, like how we, uh, divide up the different jobs that we have between all of our facets of life. Is it, it just changes, but I’ll give you the rough idea. So for the kids and the house and everything like that, I’m the boss. Yeah. Right. [00:49:00] Uh, for the business, he’s the boss. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, he’s also the boss for the house and the kids and the everything.

[00:49:06] Whitney: And I’m also the boss for the business. Yeah. So, but the thing is generally like the final say for the house and the kids is me, final say for the business is him. So he has the ability to tell me whatever he wants about the children in the house or those kinda subjects. And I have the ability to say yes or no or whatever.

[00:49:23] Whitney: I don’t agree or I disagree. For instance, like when he wanted to start homeschooling the kids a year and a half ago, I was like, no way. We’re not doing that. I’m not okay with that. We’re definitely not doing that. And then about six months later he is like, gosh, we should really just homeschool the kids.

[00:49:36] Whitney: I think it would be better. It’s like, oh, you know what Aaron, I think you’re right. Let’s do. So like, like that’s how it is. And, and then I’ll just say with the business, he, he at one point was on a, on a real, um, he had this idea, which was brilliant. And not every entrepreneur’s, uh, ideas are always in the end.

[00:49:58] Whitney: Amazing, right? [00:50:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so he wanted to do, uh, launch, like one product a day, new product. 

[00:50:05] Aaron: What? 

[00:50:06] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:50:07] Aaron: I got up to a point where we’re trying to do 20 a day, 25 a day. New individual products. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The goal was 25,000 in one year. It was insane. Yeah, it was. I could go over the ideas on it, but lemme just tell you at the, at the time, it made a lot of sense.

[00:50:22] Whitney: To you? It made a lot of sense for me operation wise. Operation wise. I said, no, it does not make sense. And because of this, because of this, because of this. Mm-hmm. Because I’m more logistics. Mm-hmm. I think about execution. Yeah. How does, how’s this actually gonna work? Yeah. Like how is it actually gonna get to number one?

[00:50:38] Whitney: Yeah. We do not have the manpower. It’s not gonna work. Aaron. 

[00:50:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:40] Whitney: And then I would tell him all my logic as to why it won’t work. 

[00:50:43] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:43] Whitney: But in the end, he decided to do it anyways. 

[00:50:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:46] Whitney: So that’s his, that’s his, that’s his, that’s that’s his prerogative. 

[00:50:50] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:51] Whitney: Io give him my suggestion. Yeah. And it’s up to him if he wants to take it or not.

[00:50:55] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:56] Whitney: He took it. 

[00:50:57] Brad: How many, how many did you, how many did you launch in that [00:51:00] year? I think we got up to 

[00:51:00] Aaron: around 900. 

[00:51:01] Brad: 900? 

[00:51:02] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:51:04] Brad: And how many had you done prior to that? Like how many individual products? Like rough order of magnitude? 

[00:51:09] Aaron: 500. 

[00:51:10] Brad: Oh, okay. But in how many years 

[00:51:13] Aaron: total? I mean from 500 and then we added 900 do some same, like 

[00:51:16] Brad: how long did it take you to do the 500?

[00:51:17] Brad: I’m just trying to, probably 

[00:51:18] Whitney: five years. 

[00:51:19] Aaron: Yeah, five years. 

[00:51:21] Brad: So you basically just 10 x the number of products launch in one 

[00:51:23] Whitney: year. Yeah. And it was a disaster. 

[00:51:25] Brad: Ah, 

[00:51:26] Aaron: kind of. There’s the results. 

[00:51:27] Whitney: There’s silver linings always. That’s the way he likes to look at it. 

[00:51:32] Aaron: There’s learnings. There’s learnings of course. 

[00:51:33] Whitney: But the thing is, the majority of the decisions that are made in the end are Right.

[00:51:37] Whitney: But there are obviously some that are not, and that’s just the way it is. So I, when he started this, when we started this Amazon business in the beginning, you know, I did think that it was kind of a wild and crazy idea. We had no money. We were putting five grand on a credit card for this course. We already spent $2,500 on this course, uh, a year prior.[00:52:00] 

[00:52:00] Whitney: Mm-hmm. That resulted in nothing. 

[00:52:01] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:02] Whitney: And we tried, 

[00:52:02] Aaron: wait, it resulted in about $200 monthly after six months of working on it, not working a job doing this. I mean, it was actually not that good. 

[00:52:11] Whitney: Right. 

[00:52:11] Aaron: Yeah. But funny enough, sorry, just I, I, I don’t, I shouldn’t interrupt you. We used that website that didn’t do a lot, and we put in, we actually promoted the lemon squeezer on that website.

[00:52:21] Brad: Oh, that’s good. 

[00:52:22] Aaron: So it helped. And I was making, like, I was making like one or two sales a month, which maybe is not a lot. 

[00:52:26] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:26] Aaron: But like, well, something. But yeah, it was, it actually was a failure. Like I wouldn’t, like, it was bad, but it was not that bad. Okay. 

[00:52:32] Whitney: Okay. Gotcha. So, but the point I was trying to make was that we had tried other things in the past that hadn’t worked.

[00:52:39] Whitney: Yeah. And if I would’ve just said, no, we’re not gonna do that. Because he asked me if, if I thought it was a good idea on this Amazon course, if we should do it because it’s like money we didn’t have, and he just wasn’t sure. So he checked with me on it, um, and I was like, yeah, sure, why not? I was thinking, what do we have to lose?

[00:52:57] Whitney: But at the same time I did have like my own internal thinking, [00:53:00] like, well maybe it won’t work, but let’s, let’s try it. 

[00:53:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:53:03] Whitney: I didn’t give him my doubt on it. 

[00:53:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:53:05] Whitney: I just said, okay, let’s go. Um, so it’s, you know, you have to 

[00:53:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:53:10] Whitney: That’s why I just give him the data and he can decide what he’s gonna do. Ah, 

[00:53:15] Brad: I love how you said I didn’t give him my doubt on it.

[00:53:18] Brad: I, I, I’d, I’d have to imagine that a lot of spouses kind of like, almost give that to their spouse and kinda like kill their spouse’s dreams by doing, by, by just giving their own doubt rather than just, which I didn’t 

[00:53:33] Whitney: want to. 

[00:53:33] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. It’s such a good job. That would stop 

[00:53:35] Whitney: his creativity. 

[00:53:35] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. How much, how much do you, do you appreciate that at the time?

[00:53:39] Brad: Did like, 

[00:53:40] Aaron: I mean, I, I actually didn’t even know she had doubt that was a thing. No, no. Really. It wasn’t like, no, no, no. 

[00:53:45] Brad: Yeah, I believe you. 

[00:53:45] Aaron: And, um, I thought it was great. I mean, you know what I, there’s this funny thing and, and I kind of, I don’t know if I’ve ever even talked about this. Okay. But in a way, I mean, it’s even a little strange, but it’s [00:54:00] okay.

[00:54:00] Brad: It’s all good. 

[00:54:01] Aaron: Whitney, in a way, in that way mm-hmm. Is kind of like my mother, because my mother. If I have a dumb idea, she’s like, you go for it, son. Like, go, you know, you could do anything. 

[00:54:16] Brad: Is that the first time we believed him 

[00:54:18] Aaron: and, and, no. No. So it’s awesome. So, so like, and, and, and she would just kinda let me go and like, believe in me.

[00:54:25] Aaron: And I, and I feel like that’s, at least, that’s a quality that Whitney has that is so beautiful and amazing, and I really appreciate it. And I’m, and I’ve gotten used to it in a way, and I kind of expect that because my mom was always like that with me. She always was like, anything I would say, I want to do this.

[00:54:46] Aaron: She’s like, of course, go for it. Like, of course you could do it and someone says you can’t do it. They don’t know you could do anything. Like you could do anything. You pick anything you can know that. And people say, and like, of course people say, but, but it’s different than someone says it. 

[00:54:58] Whitney: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:59] Aaron: Than when you [00:55:00] go to them and say like, Hey mom, what do you think?

[00:55:02] Aaron: If currently I’m extremely allergic to cats and stuff like that. Mom, you think I could be a veterinarian? Absolutely. Son. You could be a veterinarian. You could be the best veterinarian. I’m like, yes. You know? And like I, and, and, and, and it’s there is in the moment. You see anybody can say, yes, you, my, my parents told me I could do anything.

[00:55:20] Aaron: But there’s the action of when and in the moments that you react showing that you really believe it as opposed to the words that come outta your mouth. 

[00:55:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:55:30] Aaron: Because if you could say, yes, you can do anything, and she’d be like, Hey, uh, what do you think? I go out this weekend and just hang around and do nothing at the mall?

[00:55:37] Aaron: Well, that’s a dumb idea. Or whatever. 

[00:55:39] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:55:39] Aaron: So you could say one thing and then react a different way. Yeah. But the way that, you know, I always grew up was like, it, it was in line. She would see I could do anything, and then anytime I would propose something, her answer was always like, of course, no problem.

[00:55:51] Aaron: And zero doubts. And that’s how Whitney is with whatever. I’m like, let’s do blah. She’s like, okay. It’s cool. And, and I’ve seen it not go that way [00:56:00] in other places. Yeah. 

[00:56:01] Brad: Yeah. A 

[00:56:01] Aaron: hundred percent. Of course. I appreciate it. 

[00:56:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:56:03] Whitney: Good. I’m glad you appreciate it. Well, the thing is, I do think that, you know, we’re each person, Brad, everybody that is here on planet Earth has an ability to do anything.

[00:56:15] Whitney: We have the potential within us. It has to do, as I said at the beginning of this podcast, it has to do with your own decisions and your own desires of what you wanna do. And if you want that thing bad enough, you’ll make it happen. If you wanna make a business that is, uh, producing, uh, in high volume, whatever you believe is that high volume, you can make it happen as long as you believe in yourself enough and you do the actions necessary in order to make that happen.

[00:56:44] Whitney: Um, now the thing is, I believe that our synergy between Aaron and I work very well. The reason why this works so well is because he’s a dreamer and, and he has these amazing ideas, and then I can help with execution to make those ideas happen and give [00:57:00] him the the, um, support necessary. To, to be able to make those things happen.

[00:57:08] Brad: Yeah. One other thing that I’m super curious about is how does personnel, like, personnel in the business, how do you guys handle that hat? Because I feel like that’s always a very tricky one. ’cause people have, you know, their own interactions with other individ, like I’m talking about your staff, right?

[00:57:27] Whitney: Yeah. 

[00:57:28] Brad: Like, there’s always like your own interactions and there’s, it’s just like, 

[00:57:32] Whitney: I don’t know what you mean. 

[00:57:32] Aaron: How do you handle the people in the business? 

[00:57:34] Whitney: Uh, 

[00:57:35] Brad: so, so, and my question is hiring 

[00:57:36] Aaron: or management, 

[00:57:38] Brad: uh, mostly the, the hiring, uh, the hiring piece, like deciding who to hire, deciding, you know, if they’re a good fit, et cetera.

[00:57:44] Brad: Like, is that more, is that, is that more winning? Yeah, 

[00:57:47] Whitney: for sure. Yeah. Like at the beginning I was doing that fully. Mm-hmm. Because, uh, what happened was that at the beginning, like, okay, we’re co-owners, but I had the two children, right? And I was like, I was gonna be staying at home with the kids. [00:58:00] Everyone’s like, no, you’re not gonna do that.

[00:58:01] Whitney: You’re gonna be in the business with me. I was like, no, I’m not gonna do that. I’m gonna be with the kids. 

[00:58:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:06] Whitney: And he’s like, no, I need your help. I need you to come to the business and help me. And, 

[00:58:12] Aaron: and I did need her help. 

[00:58:13] Whitney: And, uh, I was fight, we were fighting about this, right? 

[00:58:17] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:17] Aaron: Hold on. There’s a line.

[00:58:18] Aaron: There’s a line. She said, I’ve been working my butt off for like 15 years and this, and I’m gonna relax. You know, you know, I’m like ready to relax and I’m, I’m not gonna do anything. 

[00:58:30] Whitney: It’s true. Because I just felt like I did, which is true. I did. I was busting my ass for 15 years and I, and that’s okay. And I was like, okay, I’m gonna take my, my break.

[00:58:40] Whitney: Mm-hmm. I wanna be a mom. 

[00:58:42] Aaron: But it being a break is actually, I mean, being a mom is not even like a 

[00:58:44] Whitney: break. It’s not a break. But its, 

[00:58:46] Aaron: it’s not terrible. Like yeahm, like terrible break. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:58:49] Brad: I mean, not terrible, obviously. It’s amazing. 

[00:58:50] Whitney: It, its, it’s not 

[00:58:50] Brad: relaxed. It’s definitely not relaxing. 

[00:58:52] Whitney: No, it’s not relaxing.

[00:58:53] Whitney: My God. But it, but it for sure. 

[00:58:55] Aaron: Not often 

[00:58:56] Whitney: for sure. I was like, I just wanna be with my, I just wanna be, you [00:59:00] know, taking care of the kids and 

[00:59:01] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:59:02] Whitney: Yeah. Having fun with them. So 

[00:59:05] Brad: it’s like, and he, and he was like, no, I need 

[00:59:08] Whitney: you. Exactly. So then what would happened was that I saw, he came home one day, he said, Whitney, I tell you something.

[00:59:16] Whitney: I have, I have some bad news. And this is a little bit concerning, especially considering that four months prior, the bad news that we handled was that we were about to lose the business due to a lawsuit of a patent situation. 

[00:59:33] Brad: Mm. 

[00:59:34] Whitney: And we went to New York and we handled it with. Person who owned the patent directly and we resolved it and we pay the royalties even to this day.

[00:59:41] Whitney: Um, 

[00:59:42] Brad: great story. You can hear the full one on Aaron’s episode. 

[00:59:44] Whitney: Yes. 

[00:59:45] Brad: Love that story. 

[00:59:45] Whitney: Yeah. Um, so that was four months prior. 

[00:59:49] Brad: So this is the next episode. 

[00:59:50] Whitney: This is the next episode. Oh, wow. Episode. Okay. So this was, uh, our second daughter was now two months old, and he’s said he comes home, he says, Whitney, I have some bad news for you.

[00:59:59] Whitney: [01:00:00] Um, I, the company isn’t making profit. We are basically not profitable. I would be making more money if I did my programming job that I had before, which was we were making $130,000 a year. And, um, that was month, that was year number four of the company’s life. And, or three and a half, almost four. And I was like, oh my gosh.

[01:00:29] Whitney: All right. So I saw from that moment that it wasn’t gonna happen. I didn’t take responsibility and work with him in the company and make it go 

[01:00:42] Aaron: too much yin and not enough yang. 

[01:00:44] Whitney: Yep. 

[01:00:45] Aaron: I mean, I’m serious. Like, or vice versa. Like, like, um, yeah, there was, and in that specific scenario, we just basically overhired, I didn’t have good numbers.

[01:00:54] Aaron: They didn’t like, we had a bunch of people that weren’t actually doing very much 

[01:00:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:58] Aaron: Weren’t producing. It was, uh, none of those [01:01:00] people work with us today. Oh, wow. Um, and it was, uh, and I had done all the hiring. 

[01:01:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:07] Aaron: I think 

[01:01:07] Whitney: that’s right. 

[01:01:08] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:01:08] Whitney: Yeah. 

[01:01:08] Brad: You did. Yeah. 

[01:01:09] Aaron: And they were not very good hires. 

[01:01:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:11] Aaron: I’ve, I’ve also, I’ve done a lot of bad hires.

[01:01:13] Brad: Mm-hmm. Me too. 

[01:01:14] Aaron: Just to be totally honest, I’ve just done bad hires. I’ve done a few good hires, but a lot of bad ones, and I think some very good ones as well. But anyway, so Yeah. 

[01:01:22] Whitney: Yeah. Okay. So then what happened is that we, I, I realized that I needed to do it, so then I was like, okay. And I changed my viewpoint and I decided that I was gonna do it every day.

[01:01:32] Whitney: And ever since then, I have not given him any for, for coming to the office and, and working together and helping each other to make things happen. So generally that’s why I’m here every day. 

[01:01:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:46] Whitney: Because we need to, you know, make things happen in the business and we work together to do that. 

[01:01:52] Brad: That’s so cool.

[01:01:52] Brad: You guys are such a good team. 

[01:01:53] Whitney: We are a team. That’s the point. We’re a team here and we’re also a team at the house. 

[01:01:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:58] Whitney: And his hat at the house is to be [01:02:00] a play dad. Like to play with the children and to be a fun, fun person. 

[01:02:03] Brad: Play Dad. 

[01:02:04] Whitney: Yeah. That’s, that’s the job. That’s what, that’s what I’ve, that’s what he’s, he’s assigned to.

[01:02:10] Whitney: Um, so I should 

[01:02:11] Aaron: get a hat. You know, 

[01:02:13] Whitney: it is Play Dad. It is Play Dad. I, I, I did, I I wanted him to have that because my father was such a fun dad. 

[01:02:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:02:22] Whitney: And I really remember that a lot. And it made my life as a child so, so much better. 

[01:02:27] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:29] Whitney: That I, I think that’s a beautiful thing for him to be able to do.

[01:02:33] Brad: Yeah, it is. 

[01:02:34] Whitney: Yeah. 

[01:02:35] Brad: Yeah. That’s awesome, 

[01:02:37] Whitney: dude. So, so then I handle all the logistics. 

[01:02:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:02:40] Whitney: Schedule and dinner, bedtimes, baths, all that. And yeah, 

[01:02:46] Aaron: I changed diapers here and there. Yeah. Um, just so you know, like I, I, not that often, but 

[01:02:52] Whitney: probably if I ask you for help to change a diaper, you definitely help me.

[01:02:54] Aaron: That’s, 

[01:02:54] Brad: yeah, 

[01:02:55] Whitney: that’s right. Of course, you, you always jump in if something is needed and things are going a [01:03:00] little bit, like a lot when obviously you have four, we have four kids, so 

[01:03:03] Brad: Yeah, 

[01:03:04] Aaron: there’s a lot going on. 

[01:03:05] Whitney: It’s, it’s a lot happening. There’s a lot happening. 

[01:03:07] Brad: Yeah. Time. 

[01:03:07] Aaron: But mostly, mostly like, again, read with them, play the, you know, whatever games, like my daughter’s asking to go back to these Pokemon tournaments we’re doing, uh, whatever you take the kids on the bike, taking to the beach, taking, you know, roughhousing.

[01:03:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:23] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:03:23] Whitney: And last night you took Kai to the beach. You did some one-on-one time with Kai. Which was so beautiful. I’m sure he had so much fun with you. 

[01:03:30] Brad: Yeah, 

[01:03:31] Whitney: yeah. It’s a big deal. 

[01:03:32] Brad: I know that if I call Aaron between like five and 7:00 PM he’s likely gonna be on the bike or going somewhere with, with one or multiple of the kids.

[01:03:40] Brad: That’s like anytime I’ve talked to him after 5:00 PM it’s like half the time it’s a bike, half the time it’s like somebody’s in the car. Yeah, yeah. Just like always, which is, yeah, I’ve, I’ve noticed it, you 

[01:03:50] Whitney: know? Yes. 

[01:03:51] Brad: Yeah, it’s great. 

[01:03:52] Whitney: And then after that, then, then after they’re sleeping, he goes into his office and he works.

[01:03:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:57] Whitney: Yeah, 

[01:03:58] Brad: yeah. What, uh, so [01:04:00] you guys have a, obviously you’re married, been married for a while. How many years have you guys been married now? 

[01:04:04] Whitney: 13 years. 

[01:04:05] Brad: 13 I think 

[01:04:05] Whitney: 14 years this year, right? 

[01:04:07] Aaron: November, 2012, whatever that is 

[01:04:11] Brad: Nice. 

[01:04:11] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah, that’s correct. 

[01:04:12] Brad: 14 years in 

[01:04:14] Aaron: November. 

[01:04:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:14] Aaron: November we, oh, sorry. Well, July.

[01:04:16] Aaron: July we had the like legal wedding, and then we had like the white wedding. 

[01:04:19] Brad: Which one do you, Ashley and I celebrate the legal wedding. ’cause it was on March 13th, we did it. 

[01:04:23] Aaron: Oh yeah. Nice. Amazing. Um, we kind of celebrate more the other one, the white one. I remember it more. 

[01:04:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:29] Aaron: It’s October 27th. 

[01:04:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:31] Aaron: Um, but 

[01:04:32] Whitney: we don’t really celebrate 

[01:04:33] Aaron: that much.

[01:04:34] Aaron: But the, the one in the summer, I always have to look at like the paperwork. Like when was that? Like July? I, I actually right now, I could not tell you. I could, but I could tell you other one. So 

[01:04:42] Whitney: yeah. I can tell you there’s a lot going on in our lives and we very, very rarely celebrate the things. 

[01:04:48] Aaron: Iit. Yeah.

[01:04:48] Aaron: You guys are busy. Okay. 

[01:04:48] Whitney: Including, including Valentine’s Day, you know what I mean? 

[01:04:50] Aaron: Tomorrow’s Valentine’s Day too. Oh. But we’re recording. But let’s see what you know. 

[01:04:54] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:54] Aaron: But we’re going, we’re gonna go on a trip to Puerto Rico. 

[01:04:57] Whitney: Yeah, we’re gonna go on a trip to Puerto Rico. It’s gonna be amazing. I’m 

[01:04:59] Brad: [01:05:00] going to 

[01:05:00] Whitney: boom, boom, boom.

[01:05:01] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:01] Aaron: Yeah. So 

[01:05:03] Brad: happy 

[01:05:03] Aaron: Valentine’s. 

[01:05:04] Whitney: Thank you. 

[01:05:05] Brad: Good. Happy Valentine’s. You both thought call my wife after this. Okay, you too. So the question I was gonna ask is your vows. 

[01:05:11] Whitney: Yes. 

[01:05:11] Brad: We talked about a little before we started. Can you explain your vows and the promises that you made to each other when you got married?

[01:05:17] Brad: ’cause it’s like incredibly beautiful and practical as well. 

[01:05:21] Whitney: Yeah, 

[01:05:22] Brad: yeah. 

[01:05:23] Whitney: Okay. The only part that I remember is to never go to sleep on a broken triangle. Okay. That’s the one that I, that I’ve always like emblazed into my, into my mind. 

[01:05:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:32] Aaron: And, and, and triangle. You want you want me to explain it? You wanna explain it?

[01:05:35] Whitney: Yeah, you can. Where’s the quote? 

[01:05:37] Aaron: So, but, but the, the triangle is talking is a RC triangle. So it’s affinity reality, communication. So it’s like understanding you’re happy between a person and how much you wanna be close to ’em and like them. And, uh, that’s affinity, right? And then what’s your reality? And then you’re communicating with each other.

[01:05:51] Aaron: So if there’s a broken triangle. That would mean that that is a break in those things. 

[01:05:57] Whitney: Page 45, the a RC [01:06:00] triangle. It’s covered in Scientology, the Fundamentals of Thought. It’s also this book is 

[01:06:05] Aaron: is online for free, free scientology org slash fot. 

[01:06:07] Brad: What? It is the 

[01:06:08] Aaron: whole book. It’s the whole book. The whole book.

[01:06:10] Aaron: Fully. They’re, uh, available. He knows 

[01:06:12] Brad: links I don’t even know exists. 

[01:06:13] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[01:06:14] Whitney: So that we can, so there’s this chapter, it’s the chapter number five, the a RC triangle, and it’s described in, in detail of what that, what that is. Um, and it says, the first corner of the triangle is called Affinity.

[01:06:32] Whitney: And anyways, it says Affinity reality and communication are the basic basis of the sign to, anyways, you should just read the, the chapter. 

[01:06:42] Brad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[01:06:42] Aaron: So you wanna go into like, let’s say, assume they figure that out, what that is. Well, we, we described it briefly, so. 

[01:06:47] Whitney: Okay. 

[01:06:48] Aaron: This is now, this is a, this is part of the, what’s called the double ring ceremony.

[01:06:52] Aaron: This is the, the, the wedding that we did. 

[01:06:55] Whitney: Okay. Um, so it says, I should like to see you [01:07:00] make it packed between you that you will never close your eyes in sleep on a broken triangle, heal any breach with the reality of your love through communication. If you’ll do this, these emblems, it’s, 

[01:07:17] Aaron: you know, you have the twos, 

[01:07:18] Whitney: the two circles, which are the two rings.

[01:07:20] Whitney: Mm-hmm. These emblems of your greatest desire in present time will remain a reality throughout your future time track. 

[01:07:34] Brad: Mm. 

[01:07:34] Aaron: So I want to just say this, the key here, don’t go to silverware triangle, but then how to heal the breach and you heal the breach with the reality of your love. Through communication, communicate the reality of your love through communication.

[01:07:48] Aaron: Yeah. That’s the solution. 

[01:07:49] Brad: And what, what other people might call that is like, don’t, don’t, it’s, it’s more encompassing than like, don’t, don’t go to sleep angry, don’t go to sleep fighting. 

[01:07:59] Whitney: Mm-hmm. 

[01:07:59] Brad: [01:08:00] And, but a lot of that is like, well, what the hell do you do? And that actually gives a solution. 

[01:08:04] Whitney: That’s what you do.

[01:08:05] Brad: Yeah. And can, can you say it, communic, do you remember it? Say it again. It’s communication. 

[01:08:08] Aaron: Uh, heal, heal the breach through the reality of your love with communication. Something like that. Oh. It’s just, you would rewind, if anybody’s just rewind it, it’s 

[01:08:18] Brad: just, 

[01:08:18] Aaron: yeah. I won’t put the link in there too. 

[01:08:20] Brad: Yeah.

[01:08:20] Brad: That’s beautiful. 

[01:08:21] Whitney: Yeah. So we’ve applied that for many, many years. And, and I would say that it definitely works. 

[01:08:28] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:29] Aaron: Yeah. And I wanna say also like, geez, actually Whitney, um, I just think this is a, a, a thing to say. She did say like, she didn’t date people before. 

[01:08:42] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:08:42] Aaron: But she, she wasn’t messing around with anybody either.

[01:08:45] Aaron: Yeah. So you actually practice something that most women do not practice? 

[01:08:50] Whitney: Well, I kept my integrity in of what I thought was, was, was right, for sure. 

[01:08:55] Aaron: So, you know, in a lot of religions there’s like the [01:09:00] idea and the concept of, um, not 

[01:09:03] Brad: no sex before marriage. 

[01:09:04] Aaron: Correct. Not defiling. Mm-hmm. Yourself or, uh, giving up a virginity to a, some random dude.

[01:09:10] Aaron: So I just wanna say like, um, do you, do you regret this? 

[01:09:16] Whitney: No,

[01:09:21] Aaron: thank you. 

[01:09:23] Brad: That is not how I expect you 

[01:09:24] Aaron: to ask that question. Um, but yeah, no, and, and yeah, so that’s very, very beautiful and I think, you know, a lot of people don’t find a person because they ass what she said. Giving of the entirety. Like, okay, fine. I I remember one of my friends in high school. Like, there’s people just do dumb things.

[01:09:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:09:50] Whitney: It’s because, you know, you need to think about your long term survival con concepts. Right. As 

[01:09:55] Brad: opposed to short term survival 

[01:09:57] Whitney: concepts. Yes. Yeah. The short, the short high, the short [01:10:00] win, the short hits. This is not, this is not the, this is, this is insane. Mm-hmm. Thinking about only the current time that you’re in right now, that’s called present time.

[01:10:10] Whitney: You’re only thinking about that, that, that, that one high, that one hit, that one moment of, of escalation of amazingness. Mm-hmm. That’s, that’s psychotic to only be operating with that in mind. 

[01:10:23] Brad: Yep. 

[01:10:23] Whitney: So anything you do in life, you should be thinking about your future, about what you’re gonna be creating in the future.

[01:10:29] Whitney: Because if you’re putting that there in the future and you’re putting that out there, you are going to get that and it’s going to make that happen, that future occur. So. It’s not worth it in most, in most cases, if you’re only thinking about the present and you’re not creating what you’re gonna do in the future.

[01:10:45] Brad: A hundred percent. 

[01:10:46] Whitney: Yeah. Yeah. And, and if you don’t see the future, then stop it. Don’t do it. Don’t continue to create that. That’s not gonna help you. It’s in the long run, it won’t be helping anybody around you either. So 

[01:10:58] Brad: speaking of someone who’s spent a [01:11:00] lot of time focusing on short-term survival concepts and completely ignoring long-term survival concepts, I can say that what Whitney said is completely true.

[01:11:08] Whitney: Yes. 

[01:11:09] Brad: And I wish I would’ve looked at the long-term a bit sooner ’cause I’d be further ahead, you know? 

[01:11:14] Whitney: Yeah. 

[01:11:14] Brad: Like, yeah, it’s totally true. Okay. Question for every guest I get to ask it. 

[01:11:20] Aaron: Yeah, of 

[01:11:20] Brad: course. Okay. In your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:11:24] Whitney: I would say it’s an applied religious philosophy. So it gives you tools that you can use in your life every single day that will allow you to do better.

[01:11:34] Whitney: And, um. Create whatever it is that you wanna create in your life and to make your life, however, however you wanna make it. And it just gives you those abilities because knowledge, what is knowledge? Knowledge is power. Knowledge gives you control. If you have control, you can do anything. So with that power, with that knowledge, whatever it is that you, when you do the courses in Scientology, any of these courses, [01:12:00] it gives you that power so you can accomplish and do anything that you want in your life without anything stopping you.

[01:12:06] Whitney: And if things are stopping you, you’ll also have the technology to get those things out of your way so that you’re able to accomplish your goals that much faster. 

[01:12:15] Brad: Badass, 

[01:12:18] Whitney: thank you. 

[01:12:18] Brad: Wow. That’s a good answer. Damn. Well, my friends, 

[01:12:24] Whitney: thank you for having 

[01:12:24] Brad: me, Whitney. Thank you for being here. 

[01:12:26] Whitney: Yeah. 

[01:12:26] Brad: Yeah. So good.

[01:12:27] Brad: I 

[01:12:28] Aaron: hope you guys enjoyed this, is I get to be with this every day. 

[01:12:33] Brad: It’s amazing, 

[01:12:33] Whitney: lady. 

[01:12:34] Aaron: You’re welcome. Okay. 

[01:12:35] Brad: Be jealous, okay? 

[01:12:36] Aaron: Yes. Don’t do nothing.