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[00:00:00] Martin: I saw my first casualty of war. Yeah. At five years old in Liberia there were child soldiers. Your dad 

[00:00:06] Brad: was the Secretary of state of Liberia. 

[00:00:07] Martin: Yeah. Liberia is foreigner by free slaves who left America and went and settled in West Africa. My father was in jail as a political prisoner. I used to lie down on the floor listening to bullets go by at night and I would just picture being in America, America is the most desirable country in the world, and America also taken more immigrants legally than any other country on earth.

[00:00:28] Brad: What is a story of you coming to the us? Alright. Welcome to another episode of the Don’t Do Nothing podcast. Today I have an amazing, uh, world traveling guests. Somebody from, uh, so it’s Mr. Martin Matthews. He’s actually from Liberia. Mm-hmm. Grew up in a war zone. Mm-hmm. Okay. Pretty amazing. We’re gonna talk about that.

[00:00:50] Brad: He has since then immigrated to the US citizen. 

[00:00:54] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:00:55] Brad: Citizen of the United States. Proud citizen. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, he’s founded a [00:01:00] financial services company with his lovely wife. He is a drug free world ambassador and has a team of 179 volunteers in Liberia who distribute material and hold events and go out in the streets and actually promote, uh, like not using drugs.

[00:01:16] Brad: Absolutely. Seems like a pretty good thing to promote, right? Definitely. He’s also a husband, a father, and he just happens to be a Scientologist Martin, welcome dude. 

[00:01:26] Martin: Thanks, Brad. 

[00:01:26] Brad: I’m so happy you’re 

[00:01:27] Martin: here. Appreciate you having me here, man. 

[00:01:28] Brad: Yeah, it’s fun. Looking 

[00:01:29] Martin: forward to it. 

[00:01:29] Brad: Okay, so, uh, let’s start with Liberia.

[00:01:32] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:01:33] Brad: What, uh, like what’s, what’s the backstory with, obviously you’re born there 

[00:01:38] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:01:39] Brad: In, in a war zone. 

[00:01:41] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:41] Brad: What, what is the story of you coming to the us? 

[00:01:44] Martin: Yeah. Well, the, the context to understand even Liberia. Liberia is foreigner by free slaves who left America, went and settled in West Africa. What?

[00:01:53] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:01:53] Brad: Hold on, hold on. So people were brought to America as slaves, 

[00:01:57] Martin: Uhhuh, 

[00:01:58] Brad: and then they were freed? 

[00:01:59] Martin: Yeah, 

[00:01:59] Brad: and then they [00:02:00] went. Okay, got it. What timeframe? 

[00:02:02] Martin: 1847 is when Liberia was established as a country. Okay. So at the time it was the only independent republic in, in Africa. Everywhere in Africa was colonized except Liberia.

[00:02:12] Martin: So it’s actually called the lone star of Africa. 

[00:02:17] Brad: Well then, 

[00:02:17] Martin: yeah, 

[00:02:17] Brad: I feel like, you know, they should just like team up with Texas or something. 

[00:02:20] Totally 

[00:02:21] Brad: Texas. Lone star state. 

[00:02:22] Martin: Yeah, exactly. 

[00:02:22] Brad: Okay. So, wow, that’s amazing. I didn’t know that. So early civil war timeframe. Okay, sorry. Continue. Yeah. Wow, I didn’t know that.

[00:02:29] Martin: Yeah, so that’s the, the genesis of Liberia. Mm-hmm. So Liberia is made up of people who went back from America as free slaves, and there’s indigenous people, so there’s different tribes. Right. So my tribe, I’m a mix of. Slave free slaves who went back to Africa. Hence the name Martin Matthews, which is a western sounding name.

[00:02:47] Martin: Yeah. And not a traditional African name. But then I have a middle name. A Yai 

[00:02:51] Brad: Dude, I gotta tell you. Sorry for interrupting. 

[00:02:52] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:02:53] Brad: I was so curious as to whether you’re, I’ve been wondering this actually probably since I found out you were from Liberia when you told me [00:03:00] in the, in the Tea lounge that one night.

[00:03:01] Brad: Yeah. I was literally like, is Martin Matthews really your real name? Like, was it like 

[00:03:06] Martin: one night I was out somewhere and I told the guy, yeah, Martin Matthews, he, where are you from? I’m from West Africa’s. Look. He’s like, that’s not an African name. 

[00:03:14] Brad: I mean, it’s really, 

[00:03:14] Martin: so, yeah. So, but I’m named after Martin Luther King.

[00:03:17] Martin: ’cause my, my father admired these African American leaders. He came here in the sixties to go to college. So he admired these African American leaders. So he named me after Martin Luther King. 

[00:03:28] Brad: That’s cool. 

[00:03:28] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:03:29] Brad: But his last name is Matthews, obviously. 

[00:03:31] Martin: Yeah, yeah. So, which is, which is now a western name because part of his, on his father’s side, he’s descendants from free slaves that went back to Liberia.

[00:03:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:03:40] Martin: And on the mo on his mother’s side, he’s from the Basa tribe. So my father kind of grew up in these two worlds. Of these people who came, these kind of westernized people who left slavery went to West Africa. Mm-hmm. And the Basa tribe on his mom’s side. So that’s, that was this interesting dynamic he grew up in.

[00:03:59] Martin: ’cause he kind of grew up [00:04:00] between these two worlds, really understanding different people there. 

[00:04:03] Brad: Is it like, is it very split in Liberia, just in terms of like the culture? 

[00:04:10] Martin: It used to be more so. Yeah. So historically you had the Amer, they’re called America Liberians. 

[00:04:16] Brad: Mm. 

[00:04:16] Martin: Traditional. They called Miracle Liberians.

[00:04:18] Martin: Right. They, they ruled the country for over a hundred plus years. Yeah. They were in power for a long, long time. 

[00:04:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:04:25] Martin: And then in 1980. Uh, a traditional guy overthrew the government. And Oh, 

[00:04:31] Brad: wow. 

[00:04:31] Martin: Yeah. So it became this whole thing where for this long period of time, this one group was in power. And now all of a sudden, just like overnight, literally 

[00:04:40] Brad: wait, that happened in 1980?

[00:04:41] Martin: 1980. 

[00:04:42] Brad: You know what’s so weird about that? Is, uh, that’s the same year that the government of Iran was, was overthrown. 

[00:04:47] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:04:48] Brad: By, uh, by basically the fundamentalist, like ayatollah. 

[00:04:51] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:04:51] Brad: Wow. 

[00:04:52] Martin: Coup, coup were popular on idea. 

[00:04:54] Brad: Apparently. That’s actually kind of weird that it was like two countries. Same. Yeah.

[00:04:58] Martin: People start getting ideas. [00:05:00] They’re like, oh, it’s happening over there, man. Maybe we should do that over here. Things like that end up happening. So 

[00:05:04] Brad: Wow. 

[00:05:04] Martin: That’s kind of the story of, of what Liberia, how it formed. 

[00:05:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:05:08] Martin: And then my father and my family’s role in, in that, so my, my father was a political leader in Liberia.

[00:05:16] Martin: Yeah. He’s, he’s actually considered the, the godfather of. Multi-party democracy in Liberia. 

[00:05:23] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:05:24] Martin: So he, he, after a hundred years of one political party in power, he was trying to bring, uh, different ideas and say, well, let’s, we should have more than one political party. Mm-hmm. Let’s contest elections and bring the ideas from indigenous people or bring different ideas.

[00:05:38] Martin: And he called it a competition of ideas. And let’s see which ideas won with the people. Yeah. And so, you know, it got to a point where the people ran out of patience and they overthrew the government. Oh. So then 

[00:05:52] Brad: while he was trying to handle this 

[00:05:53] Martin: Yeah. While he was trying to kind of make peace, my father was in, in, um, in jail as a political prisoner in Liberia.

[00:05:59] Martin: Wow. [00:06:00] Um, he was put in jail. They used to beat them, beat them in jail. 

[00:06:04] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:04] Martin: And so he, he basically, after he, he helped to form a, a, a kind of a political. Movement in Liberia. And, and then later he became the Secretary of State in the country. 

[00:06:18] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:06:18] Martin: So that’s, that’s kind of the genesis of Liberia, kind of his role.

[00:06:22] Martin: And this is the environment I laid. Your dad was 

[00:06:24] Brad: the secretary of State of Liberia. 

[00:06:25] Martin: Yeah. Yeah. That’s 

[00:06:26] Brad: amazing. 

[00:06:27] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:06:27] Brad: Twice. 

[00:06:28] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:06:29] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[00:06:29] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:06:29] Brad: Amazing. 

[00:06:30] Martin: Yeah. Thanks. 

[00:06:31] Brad: Okay. And so fast forward to you guys. Come to the United States. Be, wait, what year was he? The Secretary of State. I’m kinda like piecing together how this would go 

[00:06:40] Martin: right after the coup in 1980.

[00:06:42] Martin: ’cause these, these guys Oh, after, yeah. So right after that they asked him to, to assume that role. So he, he was the top diplomat in the country. And, and, um, you know, it was a sudden change, just overnight. Like literally they, in the middle of the night, they go and they overthrow the government. Mm-hmm. And all of a sudden you wake up the next morning, it’s a completely different [00:07:00] government and it’s, it’s, it can be a little chaotic.

[00:07:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:07:02] Martin: And so people don’t really know what’s happening in this country, what’s going on there. And so. That’s, he was like asked to be in that role. So he was in that role and later in early nineties, um, he assumed that role again. 

[00:07:14] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:14] Martin: When there was kind of in the thick of a war going on in Liberia. So they asked him to try to bring peace.

[00:07:19] Martin: There was to assume that role of Secretary of State again. Mm-hmm. So he took that role a second time. 

[00:07:24] Brad: Okay. So rather than being an ambassador, like I think of the Secretary of State of the us, it’s really an ambassador to other countries. More the focus. There was internal, is that right? Well, 

[00:07:32] Martin: the, the Secretary of State is in charge.

[00:07:34] Martin: You could, you could think of a Secretary of State as in charge of all the ambassadors. 

[00:07:38] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:38] Martin: So the Secretary of State is your top diplomat in a country. 

[00:07:42] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:42] Martin: So in many ways there in Liberia is called a foreign minister. And their role is to go to other countries and help promote Liberia, to create relationships with other countries in Liberia, really to be a diplomat.

[00:07:58] Martin: And [00:08:00] sometimes you’re doing a lot more, a lot more work than than other times. Because when he was Secretary of State, the second time, we were in the middle of a war in Liberia. A civil war has started in Liberia at that time. 

[00:08:11] Civil 

[00:08:11] Brad: war, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So did he But he’s like foreign facing, right? 

[00:08:16] Martin: Yeah.

[00:08:17] Martin: So his role at that time, 

[00:08:18] Brad: yeah. 

[00:08:19] Martin: Was you have different Rebel forces has started to attacking Liberia. 

[00:08:24] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:25] Martin: And they were attacking the government. They were attacking different areas. They were fighting each other. So it was a very chaotic scene. And the Liberian military. In many ways it was overran.

[00:08:34] Martin: They couldn’t really keep these rebel forces at bay anymore, so we had to get foreign peacekeepers. 

[00:08:40] Brad: Oh, got it. 

[00:08:41] Martin: So that was his role. In the early nineties, he was going to other West African countries and encouraging them to send peacekeeping troops to Liberia to help stop the rebels from overtaking a country 

[00:08:51] Brad: and to support the existing government, not the rebels.

[00:08:53] Brad: ’cause I’m sure that was also a thing of like, 

[00:08:56] Martin: yeah, 

[00:08:56] Brad: don’t ally with the people who are trying to overthrow the government. Yeah. I’m sure that was a [00:09:00] conversation as 

[00:09:00] Martin: well at, at, at that point when the peacekeepers came, they already overthrew the guy who overthrew the previous guy. 

[00:09:05] Brad: Okay, got it. 

[00:09:07] Martin: It was a chaotic environment at the time.

[00:09:09] Martin: Right. 

[00:09:10] Brad: Yeah. It sounds like it, just outta curiosity, what was kinda like the fun? What was the disagreement like? What, what was the revolution about? 

[00:09:18] Martin: You had a group of people that were in power for a hundred plus years and 

[00:09:24] Brad: this is the people who came back from the us. 

[00:09:26] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:09:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:09:27] Martin: And in some ways you had the indigenous people who were kind of treated as second class citizens.

[00:09:33] Martin: For example, my, because my father is made up of both of these groups, he had a relative who had never seen an electric light bulb. And he had another relative who was in the Senate. So he had these, these two wide ranges of people. And one time he tells a story of how his uncle came to pick him up. His indigenous uncle came to pick him up, pick him up from his a Miracle Liberia’s aunt’s house.

[00:09:57] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:58] Martin: And she yelled at [00:10:00] his uncle to go and walk and enter through the back. Not come through her front door. 

[00:10:04] Brad: Mm. 

[00:10:04] Martin: So you have this kind of class separation of second class citizens in Liberia. And so that was an environment where after a while people start to get upset about that. 

[00:10:13] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:14] Martin: And, um, and so some indigenous people at one point, they, they decided instead of trying to fight for, uh, going through elections, they would overthrow the government.

[00:10:24] Brad: Mm. 

[00:10:24] Martin: And so that’s what you had in 1980. And then nine years later, there was a civil war that began in 1989 where they, they essentially overthrew that guy who overthrew the previous people. So that was the environment I grew up in. Yeah. And it was, uh, it was a wild and chaotic. I was born in 84, so I was five years old when the war started.

[00:10:46] Martin: Five, six years old when the war started in Liberia. 

[00:10:48] Brad: Yeah. It Did you, like, did that have any effect on you or was it kind of just like, you’re a kid and like, boom, you just came to the us When did you come to the States? 

[00:10:58] Martin: I came in 2000. 

[00:10:59] Brad: [00:11:00] Okay. So a while after? 

[00:11:01] Martin: No, it was, it was, it was traumatic as hell. 

[00:11:03] Brad: Okay.

[00:11:03] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:11:04] Brad: Oh, 

[00:11:04] Martin: yeah. 

[00:11:04] Brad: Well, tell me about 

[00:11:06] Martin: it. Yeah, I’ll tell you. Yeah. So I, I saw my, my first casualty of war Yeah. At five years old. 

[00:11:14] Brad: Wow. 

[00:11:15] Martin: So meaning there was a person I saw 

[00:11:17] Yeah. 

[00:11:17] Martin: That was killing war at five years old. So at that age, 

[00:11:22] Brad: for, for context, yeah. So, sorry for interrupting you at this moment. Yeah. But like, I have been in the United States Army and I have never seen a casualty of war, just for context.

[00:11:31] Brad: Yeah. Most people in, in the United States Army, uh, have not in current, in a, in a peacetime army. 

[00:11:37] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:11:37] Brad: Just for reference was in the Army. 

[00:11:39] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:11:39] Brad: I’ve never seen someone killed. 

[00:11:41] Martin: Thanks for your service, bro. 

[00:11:42] Brad: Yeah, of course. Well, yeah. Of course. 

[00:11:44] Martin: So yeah, that. 

[00:11:46] Brad: Okay. Sorry. Continue. So yeah, definitely not as a 5-year-old.

[00:11:49] Martin: Yeah. So at, at that age, you kinda have to grow up very quickly and have, have awareness of the realities of what’s going on around you. 

[00:11:55] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:56] Martin: So, you know, it’s like, yeah, you could be playing with toys, but if there’s a [00:12:00] war going on, then you’re, you’re, you’re having to understand, you know, it’s not like your goldfish died and your parents kind of telling you about death for the first time.

[00:12:07] Martin: It’s like when you, when you see a guy there who’s been shot and he’s killed and he’s not moving, you kind of put it together pretty quickly that this is what could happen. 

[00:12:16] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:17] Martin: And so I, I just, uh, it was a very traumatic experience in a, in a, in the nineties, there was war going on there. Um, and then sometimes my family got attacked because of my father’s political career.

[00:12:28] Martin: And so it was a very traumatic, uh, experience. But it’s, it’s where things like dietetics and Scientology actually helped me later in life because, um, it’s difficult to go through and in, in Liberia. They were child soldiers. 

[00:12:44] Brad: Really? 

[00:12:44] Martin: So children were captured 

[00:12:47] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:12:47] Martin: And they were given drugs, so they were drugged.

[00:12:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:12:49] Martin: And then they were given, uh, rifles to go and shoot somebody, and that was the initiation, how to shoot somebody. 

[00:12:55] Brad: Wow. 

[00:12:56] Martin: And so they’re drugged and then they go and shoot somebody. 

[00:12:58] Brad: So, so literally like you see the [00:13:00] movie Blood Diamond? 

[00:13:01] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:13:01] Brad: Like literally like what it shows in the movie. 

[00:13:03] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:13:04] Brad: Wow. 

[00:13:05] Martin: The first time I was, first time I saw myself a, a child soldier, uh, in person.

[00:13:13] Martin: I was 12 years old. 

[00:13:15] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:16] Martin: And 

[00:13:17] Brad: how old do you think the kid was? 

[00:13:19] Martin: 10. Maybe 

[00:13:20] Brad: So younger than you? 

[00:13:21] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:13:22] Brad: Wow. 

[00:13:23] Martin: And he, he looked like me. 

[00:13:24] Brad: Yeah. Yeah, of course. 

[00:13:25] Martin: So I seen, he looked like me. 

[00:13:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:13:26] Martin: And so he has an in a pickup, he’s got an AK 47 and it’s like you almost as big as the, as the kid, 

[00:13:34] Brad: the 

[00:13:35] Martin: guy, the guns. 

[00:13:35] Brad: Yeah.

[00:13:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:13:36] Martin: And so I got a reality that I was very fortunate that. I wasn’t one of the kids who was captured and made into a child soldier. Mm-hmm. That’s the experience that I grew up in. There was drugs, drugging of little children, making them fight in a civil war. So it was a, it’s, um, it was an interesting upbringing for sure.

[00:13:56] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:13:57] Brad: What, what does that, yeah, I definitely want to [00:14:00] want to get into like Dianetics and Scientology and, and how that helped you, but just so that I fully understand like the context. What, what, like, can you talk about what you thought or like how you felt about like, that was going, like, did you feel safe?

[00:14:18] Brad: And maybe that’s a stupid question, but 

[00:14:21] Martin: it’s um, it’s interesting the way we grew up because I grew up with a lot of security people around, but I was in a war zone. 

[00:14:27] Brad: Oh, 

[00:14:28] Martin: so 

[00:14:29] Brad: around you and your family? 

[00:14:30] Martin: Yeah. So at one point I couldn’t go anywhere without a security person. Like an armed person? 

[00:14:35] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:14:35] Martin: So like, uh.

[00:14:37] Martin: Before I was even a teenager, you’d go some, you’d go to the beach and there’s a guy with a, with a machine gun walking behind you because of protection. Like a police guy or, or a peacekeeping guy. 

[00:14:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:14:48] Martin: And so it was a very surreal kind of upbringing with, there were, there were sometimes threats to us.

[00:14:56] Martin: Like literally a guy would walk by our house one day and say, [00:15:00] we’re gonna throw a grenade in your yard today. That’s a threat. So now it’s like, okay, we may not sleep at home that night. 

[00:15:05] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:06] Martin: Or somebody would just come and just say some random mm-hmm. And now that’s a threat to us. Okay. So we used to have this signal where we had a generator where we sleep with the lights on.

[00:15:17] Martin: You couldn’t really sleep fully because the code to evacuate the house was the lights would suddenly go dark. That was your code. And so if the lights went dark. Somebody’s coming to grab you, a security’s coming to grab you. It means we might be under attack at our house. Mm-hmm. So, um, so there, there were a lot of times I was scared, but my thought process was, my first thing was, why the hell am I here?

[00:15:42] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:15:42] Martin: Like, as a, like I’m thinking, I was always aware that there was motive more to me than what I saw in the mirror. Mm-hmm. So I would look in the mirror all the time. I would look at myself and I’m like, why the hell am I here? Yeah. Like, why am I in this country, in this place? Why couldn’t I have been born in America?

[00:15:59] Martin: ’cause I would [00:16:00] watch American movies and I see the kids playing with all their toys and all this stuff. I’m like, why couldn’t I have been born there? Why am I here in this country with war? And so that was my, my questioning about life. Mm-hmm. At a very young age, because of all the things I saw, the poverty in Liberia, the war, the, all these things gonna help made me question like, what am I doing here and what’s my role in all this?

[00:16:23] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:24] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:16:24] Brad: Do you think that a lot of people. Who were there at the time, especially like kids had a similar like, train of thought or, or like, did, did anybody ever talk to you about having like a similar thought or was it more just like No, 

[00:16:38] Martin: no. 

[00:16:39] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:16:39] Martin: it, it was, um, my dad was a very aware person. 

[00:16:43] Brad: Mm. 

[00:16:44] Martin: And um, he and I seemed very familiar to each other.

[00:16:49] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:50] Martin: Like, you know how you meet somebody and you feel like, oh, you’ve known him forever. 

[00:16:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:53] Martin: Now it’s like my dad. So it’s kind of an odd thing to say, like, I feel like I’ve known this guy forever. 

[00:16:57] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:16:57] Martin: But he was, he and I would talk [00:17:00] about very in depth things. 

[00:17:01] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:17:02] Martin: We talk about life, we talk about societal problems.

[00:17:05] Martin: Um, we would have these really fundamental, important discussions when I’m six years old, eight years old, we’re talking about all these things and um, and so it was very interesting to me being able to have those kinds of discussions with them. We would talk about. Uh, diplomacy. Yeah. So we would talk about diplomacy when I’m eight years old, 10 years old.

[00:17:27] Martin: And I would, I would go with them to conferences. Sometimes he would go to these conference, they, they would call them peace talks. 

[00:17:33] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:17:33] Martin: All the rebels get together and all these guys, and he’s trying to make peace and trying to do a ceasefire. And sometimes I would go to these internally during 

[00:17:40] Brad: the Civil War.

[00:17:41] Martin: Yeah. During the Civil War. And I would go to those and he would, I was like, what hap what happened to it? ’cause sometimes I couldn’t go into some of those rooms and meetings. Yeah. And I was like, what, what happened today? And we just talk about what it’s like getting in communication with people who are trying to like the, fighting each other on a battlefield and now you’re trying to make peace and [00:18:00] what that’s like, kind of being a mediator.

[00:18:02] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:02] Martin: And so these are things I would talk about at 8, 10, 12 years old, my dad. So I, I didn’t think it was different at the time, but as I got older and I became an adult, I realized that was kind of a rare, unique thing that we were discussing big life and societal problems at that age. Uh, 

[00:18:20] Brad: yeah. 

[00:18:21] Martin: With him.

[00:18:21] Martin: ’cause he was very involved in that kind of thing, so, 

[00:18:23] Brad: yeah. Totally. Okay. And what was the, I’d imagine there was kind of like, was it actually, I guess I’m curious, was it where things just got too out of hand and your dad was like, Hey, I just need to send the family, or bring the family to the us or was it like a, like actually things calmed down.

[00:18:43] Brad: It was handled and then left for the us 

[00:18:46] Martin: So kind of a timeline on this war started in 1989. Mm-hmm. In about 19 90, 19 91. Now about 1990, we went to another country called Sierra Leone, wedding rest Africa. The war was getting closer and closer to the city. We left [00:19:00] and then a war started in Sierra Leone also.

[00:19:04] Brad: Wow. 

[00:19:04] Martin: So that was very, a very brutal war too. It’s not a civil war. It is civil. Civil in nineties, in West Africa. There was a lot of conflict wars, lots of that kind of stuff happening. 

[00:19:15] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:15] Martin: So when you talk about the movie Blood Diamond that takes place in Sierra Leone. 

[00:19:18] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:18] Martin: And so you’ll see that kind of things, the war and all that kind of stuff happening.

[00:19:22] Martin: And so then we left, went to another West African country, uh, then they thought, overthrow that government. Then we went back to Liberia, then know another war breaks out. So it’s like we’re constantly bouncing around throughout West Africa during this time. And um, and then later in the nineties, in 1997, I went to another West African country called Ivory Coast.

[00:19:43] Martin: And that was peaceful for a few years. 

[00:19:44] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:45] Martin: And then, uh, and then 

[00:19:46] Brad: in 2019, ’cause they’re so French. 

[00:19:48] Martin: Yeah, exactly. They like the baguettes, the bread, they like the cheese. They’re like, we don’t want war here. 

[00:19:54] Brad: You know, it’s funny, one of the. I took, uh, like four years of French in high school. So when you say Ivory Coast, I [00:20:00] literally hear Vo 

[00:20:02] Martin: Vo.

[00:20:03] Martin: Yeah. But while we’re there to overthrew the government 

[00:20:06] Brad: Oh, well, while we’re here. Oh my gosh. Wow. Uh, that’s amazing. Okay. So that was kind like the last, the last thing you’re like, okay. Yeah. Like Peace West Africa. 

[00:20:17] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:20:18] Brad: Going to the us 

[00:20:18] Martin: Go to America. 

[00:20:19] Brad: Okay. 

[00:20:19] Martin: Yeah. It was my dream to come and come to America.

[00:20:21] Martin: Yeah. It’s, it was like, I used to, I used to lie down on the floor listening to bullets go by at night, and I would just picture being in America, like, um, like, you know, the kids on all the toy commercials, they all happy and playing with their Nerf guns and all this stuff. And I’m listening to bullets going by and I’m like, man, I wish I was in America playing with a knife.

[00:20:40] Martin: Nerf gun. 

[00:20:40] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:40] Martin: And that’s, that would be like, what I would do, I would just close my eyes and I would just picture being in America, going to have a cheeseburger. You know, it’s like I would just picture all this. So it was like a dream to escape this. This area, this, this chaotic scene and come to America, you know, and, and then make something of myself here.

[00:20:59] Brad: [00:21:00] Yeah. Wow. And did you share that with, with your family? Like did you share that dream? 

[00:21:05] Martin: Yeah. Or, 

[00:21:05] Brad: yeah. 

[00:21:06] Martin: Yeah. I told my dad, my dad knew I wanted to accommodate. We had to find a kind of the right time and where it would be. And of course it’s, it’s not, when you come to America through the, the legal process, there’s a lot of ways to come to America, America legally.

[00:21:18] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:19] Martin: Once you, once you do it through the legal process, it’s a very lengthy process. 

[00:21:23] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:24] Martin: It’s, it’s long. You gotta one just, you gotta have to have, have a visa first just to get here. 

[00:21:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:29] Martin: And then when you get here, depending on what you have, you can then change and adjust your status depending on what you qualify for.

[00:21:34] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:35] Martin: And you’re talking about a decades long process. Yeah. You know, so it’s, it’s very 

[00:21:38] Brad: long. Decades plural. Yeah. 

[00:21:40] Martin: So, 

[00:21:41] Brad: I know people have been here for 18 years and they don’t have their citizenship done yet. 

[00:21:45] Martin: Yeah. It’s a long, long process 

[00:21:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:48] Martin: To, to do it the right way. 

[00:21:50] Brad: How, how do you feel about the US immigration system?

[00:21:53] Brad: Like in, in the current, like current situation? Just your own, just your personal opinion. 

[00:21:58] Martin: So the, the, 

[00:21:59] Brad: [00:22:00] and sorry for interrupting you. Yeah. As you’re answering me. The reason I ask is because I had before probably like 20, 21, I had no reality on immigration. I knew there were people that came to us. 

[00:22:11] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:22:12] Brad: But I didn’t know any of ’em.

[00:22:13] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:22:13] Brad: Like I grew up in a small town, like hadn’t really met anybody from other countries a little bit when I went to college. But even now, it still wasn’t even real to me then. And then I started actually like employing people. Like I probably employ like 10, 10 or 12 people right now who weren’t born in the US 

[00:22:29] Martin: Mm.

[00:22:29] Martin: Wow. 

[00:22:30] Brad: Right. Mix of citizens, like people here on, on semi-permanent, like green cards and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, but as I’ve met and gotten to work with the people who actually have come here legally. The, the situation with immigration, and whether it’s enforced or not, is stuff has become a lot more real to me.

[00:22:48] Brad: And I’ve been like, look, it should definitely be easier to get here. But it’s like this kind of thing where it’s like just cool for people to like, just come in and be here. Mm-hmm. When I have an employee who’s literally spent $50,000 [00:23:00] in legal fees over the last five years mm-hmm. Handling her immigration status to get her citizenship, I’m like, that doesn’t seem right.

[00:23:06] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:23:07] Brad: You know? 

[00:23:07] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:23:07] Brad: What’s, what’s your viewpoint on that? 

[00:23:09] Martin: So, America is the most desirable country in the world. 

[00:23:12] Brad: Mm. 

[00:23:13] Martin: And America also taken more immigrants legally than any other country on earth. 

[00:23:18] Brad: Really? 

[00:23:19] Martin: Yes. Oh, 

[00:23:19] Brad: I didn’t know that. 

[00:23:20] Martin: There’s no other country that accepts more legal immigrants than the United States of America.

[00:23:24] Brad: Really? 

[00:23:24] Martin: Yes. Other countries like, wow, we wanna hit this target, we wanna get close. So it’s the most in demand country and they accept the most number of people. You would think they could say, we, we don’t wanna accept anybody. 

[00:23:35] Brad: Right, right, right. 

[00:23:35] Martin: Because we’re so in demand. Yeah. Yet Americans and the United States of America is very willing to accept people.

[00:23:41] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:42] Martin: At one point even did a lottery where you could win a lottery to get and get a green card and you bring your whole family. 

[00:23:47] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:48] Martin: It sort of, there’s a lot of ways to actually come to America legally. 

[00:23:52] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:52] Martin: There’s many different options. I know people from villages in Africa who were determined to come to America.

[00:23:59] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:23:59] Martin: The first thing I had to [00:24:00] do was get to the capital in Monrovia. 

[00:24:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:24:02] Martin: Survival war. Get to the capital. Oh my gosh. Figure out to get a visa. And I dunno, people who waited one year, two years to get a visa, visa coming, 

[00:24:10] Brad: they’re like, they’re like going like through the bush, trying not to get spotted by like, the trucks with AK 40 sevens driving up and down the road, like literally.

[00:24:15] Brad: Right. 

[00:24:16] Martin: Yeah. And these people survived. That’s 

[00:24:18] Brad: so crazy. 

[00:24:18] Martin: And they made it, and they, they’re here in America today. Wow. And did it all illegally. So. So it can be done. Um, by somebody has the willingness to do it. Um, I think you have to, you have to respect the laws of any country that you’re in. Mm-hmm.

[00:24:34] Martin: Especially if you’re wanting to be an immigrant in that country. The interesting thing is, um, there’s, there’s over 50 countries in, in Africa, and so they all have a border and all have an immigration system. 

[00:24:47] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:47] Martin: And you can get deported. 

[00:24:49] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:49] Martin: If you violate the immigration system, it happens all the time.

[00:24:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:53] Martin: Even in African countries, it happens all the time everywhere in, around, around the world. 

[00:24:56] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:24:57] Martin: And these countries enforce their borders. Matter of [00:25:00] fact, uh, right now there’s a border dispute happening between Liberia and another country called Guinea, which is a French speaking country in West Africa, Guinea.

[00:25:08] Martin: And so they’re enforcing their borders. They’re like, why’d you cross our border? Go back on that side. You know? So even them, they’re enforcing their borders. Yeah. So. Why would a country that is the most desired country in the world for people to come to not enforce its own borders. 

[00:25:23] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:25:23] Martin: That doesn’t make any sense to me.

[00:25:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:25:25] Martin: So there’s a, there’s a process where you can come here to America legally, like I did, like millions of people have done. And, um, and I think that’s the, that’s the right way to do it. 

[00:25:34] Brad: Yeah. Amazing. I agree. Okay, so getting into life in the us 

[00:25:40] Martin: mm-hmm. 

[00:25:40] Brad: At some point you discovered what we love and are here on some level to actually talk about.

[00:25:47] Brad: And that’s Scientology. 

[00:25:48] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:25:49] Brad: How did you find Scientology? 

[00:25:50] Martin: Interestingly, I found Scientology when I was still in Africa. 

[00:25:53] Brad: What? Oh, wow. Plot twist. 

[00:25:55] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:25:56] Brad: I did not expect that. 

[00:25:57] Martin: And, um, I thought, wait, 

[00:25:59] Brad: [00:26:00] what? 

[00:26:00] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:26:01] Brad: What year 

[00:26:02] Martin: In, uh, 1997. 1998. 

[00:26:05] Brad: Really? 

[00:26:05] Martin: In a magazine. 

[00:26:07] Brad: Oh, 

[00:26:07] Martin: I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you exactly how. Yeah, 

[00:26:09] Brad: tell me, tell me.

[00:26:09] Martin: So I loved American movies. I just, I would watch American movies all the time, and I would see this famous actor, and I was like, what? What is their life like? I would see these different actors, right? 

[00:26:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:26:21] Martin: And, uh, I was like, what, what, what did it really like? So I read these magazines, like People Magazine and other types of magazines like that to find out, you know, what are they, like, what are they up to, what are they doing when they’re not making movies, things like that.

[00:26:33] Martin: And then I would read about, it would say like, Tom Cruise Scientologist. I’m like, what is that? What, what does that mean? What does that word instantly, that word is like something, there’s something about this word. What is that? And I couldn’t find out what it was, but then I’ll read again. John Travolta Scientologist.

[00:26:51] Brad: Where, where did you, like, where did you go to try to find, I mean, there’s no internet in 1987. 

[00:26:56] Martin: No, I would just like read the article. And like they would mention, 

[00:26:58] Brad: oh, it didn’t say anything more about it. 

[00:26:59] Martin: [00:27:00] They would, they would say things, they would say things like Celebrity center. Yeah. I was like, oh, that’s a, there’s a center for celebrities.

[00:27:05] Martin: That’s kind of cool. So I would like read about it and I, I understood it was, it was kind of a religion, but I couldn’t really, I never heard about it before, but I was very interested in it because these actors that I liked were Scientologists. Every time I saw the word Scientologist, I liked the actor and I thought the actor was super cool.

[00:27:24] Martin: And I’m like, oh dude, I, I must like something about Scientology. I didn’t know anything about it. And that was my conclusion, man. I was like, I must, I’m like, they all seemed happy. The same productive. They were like in the nineties, these guys were in some of the biggest movies around, so even in West Africa, people were watching all of these guys’ movies.

[00:27:44] Martin: Yeah. And 

[00:27:44] Brad: they loved them. Mm-hmm. And 

[00:27:44] Martin: I was like, wow. That’s interesting. 

[00:27:46] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:47] Martin: And uh, so that was, 

[00:27:48] Brad: and you’re really only seeing the top of the top because just the top movies get such broad international distribution. 

[00:27:53] Martin: Yeah, 

[00:27:54] Brad: yeah. 

[00:27:54] Martin: Yeah. Wow. So these guys were doing great and I, I, I loved them. And then, then when I came to America, I [00:28:00] started to find out a little bit more about it.

[00:28:02] Martin: I was curious. I wanted to know what is it about, why are these guys in it and why are they saying it helped them? 

[00:28:09] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:10] Martin: Like, what is it? But I could never really find out what it was. 

[00:28:13] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:28:14] Martin: And then, um, 

[00:28:15] Brad: was, was this like, just like in the back of your head or like Yeah. 

[00:28:18] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:28:19] Brad: Did you bring it up to your parents or family at all, or No?

[00:28:21] Martin: No, I never talked to anybody about that. 

[00:28:22] Brad: You never talked to anybody about it? 

[00:28:24] Martin: No. 

[00:28:24] Brad: You’re just wondering, you’re just like, what is this, 

[00:28:26] Martin: what is, what is, what is this thing? What is sci? What is Scientology? What, what’s that word? I couldn’t, I didn’t really know to look up words. I just read the article and look things, look at things, what they said.

[00:28:36] Martin: Yeah. And I knew about Celebrity Center in Los Angeles and I’m like, oh, okay, maybe Scientology is for actors in Hollywood. That was kind of my thought on it. Mm-hmm. And then, um, after I came to America and I got into business, and so this goes into how I found Scientology again in America. And I was, I got to a point where I was trying to grow my business, but my business, I reached a [00:29:00] plateau and I just couldn’t get beyond this plateau.

[00:29:01] Martin: This was around 2016, 17. Mm-hmm. And then, um, about 2016 or so, and then I, I came across a guy named Grant Cardone. 

[00:29:11] Brad: Was the, the business is the current, the, the financial. 

[00:29:14] Martin: Financial business. Yeah. 

[00:29:15] Brad: Okay, good. Yeah. 

[00:29:15] Martin: So we had done, well, we started growing it and everything and I was like, okay. It just reached a plateau where I just couldn’t break beyond this point.

[00:29:23] Martin: Yeah. Of growing over expansion. 

[00:29:25] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:29:25] Martin: And so I started looking who’s successful around, and I came across Grant Cardone and he starts, this guy’s like saying everything I’m thinking. 

[00:29:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:29:35] Martin: So I’m like, man, this guy’s saying everything. I’m thinking, well, who’s this guy? And so I read his books and everything, and then one day I’m watching a video and he says, Scientology is responsible for over 90% of my success.

[00:29:47] Martin: I was like, oh, holy shit, this guy’s a Scientologist. I’m like, so I’m like, oh, it makes, it makes sense to me. These actors were all happy and productive and it was successful. And here’s a guy who’s like, happy, [00:30:00] productive, great family and successful, and he’s a Scientologist. 

[00:30:03] Brad: And this is like 17 years later.

[00:30:05] Martin: Yeah, 

[00:30:05] Brad: right. Or more, 

[00:30:06] Martin: yeah. So I’m like, I, and I had looked, I tried to look it up. I couldn’t find information that really agreed that I, that I thought was good. I found all kinds of propaganda. And the moment I started looking at it, I’m like, dude, I grew up in West Africa. I’ve seen propaganda. I know what propaganda looks like, so I know when something’s a hit piece.

[00:30:23] Martin: I know when something’s negative. So I’m like, ah, this thing’s not gonna tell me the truth. This thing, this is garbage. It’s not gonna tell me the truth. And so I kept looking and looking and looking until I came across Grant. And then that made sense because that aligned with the successful people I saw who were Scientologists.

[00:30:37] Brad: Dude, that is so crazy. That’s the reason I’m freaking out, is because I had a very similar experience where I was, uh, so like I, I just studied a lot of different stuff before I found Scientology. Right. ’cause I was looking for something. Mm-hmm. And one thing that I found is that anything [00:31:00] that even like helped a little bit with, with someone like, like handling a problem that they have, right.

[00:31:08] Brad: That didn’t involve drugs. It would be attacked by the mainstream media. 

[00:31:12] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:12] Brad: And so by the time I got to looking at Scientology, by the, by the time I actually found Scientology, by through one of grant’s books by the way as well. Nice. Yes. There we go. Uh, I knew that all the negative press, negative press, right.

[00:31:28] Brad: The propag black propaganda, like you said. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I knew, I was like, oh, well if they dislike it, there must be something here. 

[00:31:35] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:36] Brad: I think a lot of people are becoming more aware of that. 

[00:31:40] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:31:40] Brad: Like on a massive, massive scale. Like if the mainstream media attacks something like the president perhaps.

[00:31:47] Brad: Right. It’s probably like, there might be something to look at there. Like they’re probably on some other agenda that has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of the thing. Yeah. So you should actually just go look yourself. That was what I realized. 

[00:31:58] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:58] Brad: Is I’m like, [00:32:00] wow, I’m gonna have to go look for myself.

[00:32:01] Brad: ’cause I can’t trust what any of these people actually say. 

[00:32:03] Martin: Yeah, 

[00:32:03] Brad: exactly. Because I couldn’t trust, ’cause what they said about this other thing was a lie. 

[00:32:06] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:32:06] Brad: So now I don’t trust ’em about this. 

[00:32:08] Martin: Exactly. 

[00:32:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:32:09] Martin: They lie to you once. That’s, that’s their operating basis. So they keep lying to you about different things.

[00:32:13] Brad: That’s right. 

[00:32:13] Martin: So you gotta go look for yourself. 

[00:32:15] Brad: Yeah. Wow. That’s, dude, that’s so amazing. Okay, so you started where, where or what, what, what, what, what did you do? Because you found it, you’re like, he’s a Scientologist. 

[00:32:25] Martin: Yeah. Yeah. So after he had a conference in 2017. I went to that conference in 

[00:32:29] Brad: Miami. 

[00:32:30] Martin: Uh, this was be, yeah, this was in Miami.

[00:32:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:32:32] Martin: Uh, with my wife and my son. Uh, we went to the conference together as a family. 

[00:32:37] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:32:37] Martin: And so after that conference I came home and I googled Scientology in Atlanta. ’cause that’s where we lived at the time. 

[00:32:44] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:32:44] Martin: And, um, there was a scientology ideal org there. So it was a church that’s there. Yeah.

[00:32:50] Martin: And it was just like a beautiful building. And it was like, I looked on online and like, welcome. I 

[00:32:54] Brad: just to clarify, ideal org is basically just like a very large church of Scientology. Yeah. [00:33:00] Delivers many, many, many services. It kind of, just a full array of Scientology services are delivered there. 

[00:33:05] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:33:05] Brad: And they can help a lot of people.

[00:33:06] Brad: Absolutely. Because they make the building really big. 

[00:33:08] Martin: Yeah, absolutely. So it was like, okay, let’s go. As I told my wife, Chelsea, let’s go check it out. So we go there on the same day. 

[00:33:17] Brad: What did, what did she say? 

[00:33:18] Martin: She’s like, okay, let’s go. Well, I, I picked a great wife. I picked a wife who I wanted to make sure that I wanted to keep growing in life.

[00:33:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:33:27] Martin: And so I had to find somebody who wanted to keep growing in life as well. Mm-hmm. So, before we got married, before we even started dating. I, I grilled her. 

[00:33:35] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:33:35] Martin: Asked her like a million questions that, so I could find out what she wanted outta life, where she was going, what she wanted to do. And, and because it aligned so well, we had similar goals and purposes in life.

[00:33:47] Martin: It was great for us to start a relationship. Wasn’t she’s attractive, but it wasn’t like, oh yeah, let’s, let’s get together because you’re attractive. So there’s gotta be other things. So, because she was somebody who also, she’s somebody who also wants to keep [00:34:00] growing and learning in life, she was like, yeah, let’s go check it out.

[00:34:02] Martin: So we went there and we’re like, okay, grant says this is why he’s successful. What’s here? What do you got? And so, um, so that’s, that’s how we got started. Yeah. In, in Scientology. 

[00:34:13] Brad: Wow. 

[00:34:14] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:34:14] Brad: Just out of curiosity, was it, was it his video? Was it his interview with, uh, Charlie, the blonde guy that they did over Zoom?

[00:34:21] Brad: Do you remember the video? 

[00:34:22] Martin: He did a video with where it is him and his daughter. Uh, Sabrina. 

[00:34:26] Brad: Oh, it’s that one? 

[00:34:27] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:34:27] Brad: Oh, I know which one you’re talking 

[00:34:28] Martin: about. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, somebody asked, why are you successful? And, uh, so she, and she says, she mentions it. She mentions, 

[00:34:34] Brad: yeah, 

[00:34:35] Martin: because you know, Scientology.

[00:34:36] Martin: And I was like, wait a minute. That’s, that’s that. There’s that Scientology again. This guy’s a Scientologist. This is awesome. So I think, I thought it was so cool. 

[00:34:43] Brad: Wow. 

[00:34:44] Martin: And, uh, and, and yeah, it’s, it’s helped me in all areas of life. 

[00:34:47] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:34:48] Martin: It’s helped me. Um, first of all, when we got there, I was trying to handle my business.

[00:34:52] Martin: So I’ll go back to that. Yeah. I was trying to handle my business. Right. Yeah. And then, um, started to learn different things and apply different things in Scientology. And the [00:35:00] first year of applying this, my business that was like, couldn’t break through a certain point, we had a 400% increase in one year.

[00:35:09] Brad: Yeah. That’s ridiculous. So four x basically. 

[00:35:12] Martin: Yeah. Wow. And so the stats just kept going up from there. I, I graph my stats. If you see my graph before the two or three years before that, it would compare it to where it went to and just kept going up from there. 

[00:35:21] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:35:21] Martin: So, uh, so it’s a phenomenal, my 

[00:35:23] Brad: business is the same, by the way.

[00:35:24] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:35:25] Brad: People are like, like I put it on like a 10 year graph and it’s like, boom. And they’re like, what happened there? And I was like, I can’t tell you. I was like, it’s a secret. 

[00:35:33] Martin: They totally wanna know. 

[00:35:35] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:35:35] Martin: exactly. But it, it’s, it’s fantastic. It’s helped me in every area of life. The helped me particularly with handling trauma from war.

[00:35:43] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:35:44] Martin: Um, and when I came to America, I was having a conversation with somebody. Mm-hmm. And it go like, I, I think you have PTSD. I was like, what’s that? Mm. They’re like, you went through a war, dude, your childhood was war. I think you’re having this like post-traumatic stress disorder [00:36:00] and ’cause ’cause I would behave certain ways, uh, or think where I would react to things.

[00:36:05] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:05] Martin: Um. Like, for example, if I went to a restaurant 

[00:36:10] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:36:10] Martin: I could never sit with my back to the door. Ever, ever, ever. Mm-hmm. I would not be there comfortably. 

[00:36:15] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:15] Martin: I had to scope out the whole environment. I had to plan two exits. One exit wasn’t enough. 

[00:36:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:20] Martin: It’s like, if somebody comes from this side, how am I gonna escape?

[00:36:24] Martin: I had to have all that down before I could even be there comfortably. I I would not hear anything you were saying if my back was still the door. Mm-hmm. It would make me totally uncomfortable. When I started dating my wife Chelsea, every time I went somewhere, she would first ask where I wanted to sit in order for her to know where she was gonna sit.

[00:36:39] Martin: Yeah. So it was like that type of thing. 

[00:36:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:41] Martin: And, um, I would talk to, I talked to a, a, um, I think it was a Korean War veteran. 

[00:36:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:36:46] Martin: And so he and I were talking and he still was suffering effects of war many, many years later. And he said to me, you know, it, it never goes away. And I thought, well, damn, am I, [00:37:00] am I gonna suffer this the rest of my life?

[00:37:02] Martin: Like, like this gentleman? 

[00:37:03] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:04] Martin: And I remember. Doing some of the processes and, and counseling Scientology. And there was one day my wife and I, Chelsea went out and I just, I just, I just picked a seat and sat down and, and it took, without 

[00:37:20] Brad: even thinking 

[00:37:21] Martin: about it. Without thinking about it. 

[00:37:22] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:22] Martin: And it took me a few minutes and I realized, holy shit, I can just, I can just be here comfortably.

[00:37:31] Martin: And I was like, it’s like, that was like a miracle for me. 

[00:37:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:34] Martin: And that was, we’re relatively new in Scientology at that point. I wasn’t like, Hey, help me with this thing. That wasn’t what I was going for. But it was like, because you 

[00:37:41] Brad: went there, you were like, I want to handle whatever’s going on with my business.

[00:37:44] Martin: Yeah. Primarily I was going there for, I wasn’t looking for religion. Uh, that was not the purpose mm-hmm. Of going to Scientology. Mm-hmm. Um, and my, my religious background is, I’m familiar with almost every religion around. 

[00:37:56] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:37:57] Martin: I’ve read the Quran, I’ve read the Bible, I’ve read all bunch of [00:38:00] d I’ve read a lot of different things and I have a lot of admiration and affinity.

[00:38:03] Martin: For religion in li in Africa, all religions are there. 

[00:38:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:06] Martin: In Liberia there’s every church you can think of. Uh, is there, 

[00:38:09] Brad: it, it seem, my impression is that af like African people are very tolerant Yes. Of different religions. 

[00:38:16] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:38:16] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:17] Martin: I, I think it was, we used to hear the Muslim call for prayer sometimes.

[00:38:20] Martin: I used to think it was cool, man, I have Muslim friends. They were, I thought they were cool. They were, we all got along. I went to a Methodist school. Uh, I was, uh, intraining being an altar boy in a Catholic church. I would go to the Baptist church. Sometimes people would invite me to the, the, the Jehovah’s Witness places.

[00:38:38] Martin: We’d go. We’d go any, and Oh, your friends would invite you, come to my church. Hey, yeah. Let’s go check it out. We go there. Yeah. And so it was a very normal thing and experience to, to have in Liberia where it wasn’t like you were against someone because of their religion. 

[00:38:52] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:38:53] Martin: yeah. 

[00:38:54] Brad: Yeah. It would be really cool if we could, uh, get the United States to be a little more like that.

[00:38:59] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:38:59] Brad: You know, [00:39:00] there’s this idea of like, if you even like. Are are borderline if you’re even like tolerant or speak highly of another religion mm-hmm. That it’s like somehow negative for you or your religion, and it’s just, that’s just such a silly idea. 

[00:39:15] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:39:15] Brad: You know what I mean? 

[00:39:16] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:39:17] Brad: It, it’s for, for being the most desirable and advanced country, we kind of have that completely backwards.

[00:39:22] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:39:23] Brad: You know, 

[00:39:23] Martin: so you, you would think that, you know, one of the, in the, the book the Way to Happiness 

[00:39:28] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[00:39:28] Martin: Uh, El Ron Hubbard wrote, which is a non-religious moral code. Anybody can use this. 

[00:39:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:34] Martin: And he talks about respecting the religious beliefs of others. 

[00:39:38] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:38] Martin: And I find that if you respect the religious beliefs of others, you, you get along well with other people, you know, just respect people’s beliefs.

[00:39:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:39:45] Martin: You know, it’s like, if it’s not harming somebody, if their, if their belief isn’t like, let’s go harm this other group, then that’s one thing. But if the guy’s like, yeah, this is just what I believe, then. I’m still my friend. I don’t like, not be a friend to this guy because he has a different view than me.

[00:39:58] Brad: Yeah, 

[00:39:58] Martin: yeah. 

[00:39:59] Brad: Okay. So [00:40:00] you, you went basically, you were like, okay, Scientology’s helping these successful people to be more successful. Yeah. Makes sense. You were kind of like, had your, it was in your universe this whole time. It’s like back there, you’re like, did, did you ever think about it in, in between the, like when you read about it in the magazines and when you heard like, you know, Grant’s daughter say like, you know Scientology, I know the exact video by the way.

[00:40:26] Brad: Yeah. I’ve seen that exact life. I’ve seen that video so many times. Did it ever pop up in between? 

[00:40:31] Martin: Oh yeah. Lots of 

[00:40:32] Brad: times. Yeah. Really? 

[00:40:33] Martin: Yeah. I was looking for stuff and I, I went and looked in the wrong, some of the wrong places. I went and looked on the internet and I phoned a bunch of garbage. 

[00:40:39] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:40] Martin: And so I’m like, that’s where I found this is propaganda.

[00:40:44] Martin: This is horrible. This is black propaganda. This is negative stuff. Yeah. That wasn’t going to actually teach me what Scientology was. 

[00:40:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:50] Martin: You know, so I just ignored it. 

[00:40:52] Brad: Yeah. I want to ask, just ’cause it might be helpful for, for people who see this mm-hmm. Um, when, when you were looking like, I, I talk [00:41:00] to a lot of people who, ’cause I do, I’m starting to do a lot of dissemination stuff and I talk to a lot of people who are like, man, it seems like there’s all these successful Scientologists who are just doing amazing.

[00:41:13] Brad: Little do they know there’s more than they even know. Yeah. Who are, are very private people, right? Yeah. But they’re like, there’s these people, you know, it seems like it’s good, but I’ve read this stuff online. I’m concerned about blahdi blah. Right. What? What would you say to those people who are like, they have an inkling that there’s something there?

[00:41:33] Brad: Because like for us, like we know what it’s like, we already know. Mm-hmm. How much it would help anybody. Yeah. Who used it. Yeah. You know? What would you say to them? Like people who have gotten weird or bad information, like how can they know that they’ve gotten bad or weird information? 

[00:41:49] Martin: Yeah. So the way you look at it is like if I wanted to learn about the Constitution of the United States, I’d go read the Constitution of the United States.

[00:41:57] Martin: Mm-hmm. I could have somebody else just tell me about it all day [00:42:00] long, but they would be giving me their interpretation of it, or their viewpoint of it. 

[00:42:04] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:04] Martin: So if I want to learn about Scientology, I would go to the source of Scientology. So I would go and read something that El Ron Hubbard wrote. I would go to the actual scientology.org website and actually read the materials for myself.

[00:42:17] Martin: Mm-hmm. And that way I’m not getting somebody else’s interpretation. So El Ron Hubbard is the founder of Scientology. He’s the most published author in history. So true. You can find something to read from him directly where he tells you 

[00:42:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:33] Martin: What his philosophy is, what his viewpoint is, and you can look for yourself.

[00:42:37] Martin: There’s also 

[00:42:37] Brad: a video actually now that I’m thinking about on Scientology tv, which I think is literally just called My philosophy. 

[00:42:42] Martin: Yeah, exactly. 

[00:42:43] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:42:44] Martin: So that’s a great, so you can see, do, do you agree with it or not? Mm-hmm. Does it resonate with you? 

[00:42:48] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:48] Martin: Uh, you know, and if you don’t agree with it, then you don’t agree with it.

[00:42:51] Martin: And if you do, then now you’re actually looking at the actual source of something, not somebody else’s alteration of it or their view on it, or they attack it because [00:43:00] of whatever reason they have to attack something. 

[00:43:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:03] Martin: So look, Jesus was attacked. Jesus was attacked. They crucified him. 

[00:43:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:09] Martin: That’s how much people attacked him.

[00:43:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:10] Martin: They attacked him so much, they didn’t want him to be around. Mm-hmm. So, you know, okay, EV. They’re not burning Scientologists at the stake. Okay. You know? 

[00:43:21] Brad: Yeah, yeah, 

[00:43:21] Martin: yeah, yeah, yeah. They, they, if you look at all the, the, the, the, the disciples around Jesus, they were, a lot of ’em were attacked. They were beaten.

[00:43:28] Martin: All kinds of horrible things happened to ’em. Yeah. 

[00:43:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:31] Martin: And, uh, all they were trying to do, what were they preaching? Tolerance. 

[00:43:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:34] Martin: They were preaching love and all, they were preaching positive things. Mm-hmm. But somebody didn’t like that at that time. Mm-hmm. So they got attacked for it. So it’s the same thing, it just happens throughout history.

[00:43:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:46] Martin: So now that’s why I am a big believer in religious beliefs and religious tolerance. Mm-hmm. And, you know, people should have their, the views on religion that they want, because with religion is a reminder and [00:44:00] it’s a, it’s an more and more of an awareness that somebody’s not just a body. 

[00:44:04] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:44:05] Martin: That there, you’re a spiritual being.

[00:44:07] Martin: So, and that’s a commonality for religions, is that you’re not just this flesh and bones of Sierra and there’s nothing else to you. So religions have a concept of a soul. Yeah. There’s being a spirit and there’s more to you than just what people see and 

[00:44:21] Brad: you will live on. 

[00:44:22] Martin: Exactly. And you can feel it. You can, you can be around somebody and you can feel their spirit.

[00:44:27] Martin: You can feel, if there’s a positive person, you get around somebody and they got negative vibes, you can feel that. Yeah. The guy could be smiling at you, but he’s got negative vibes, you know, so you can feel it. 

[00:44:36] Brad: He’s holding a knife behind his back. 

[00:44:38] Martin: Exactly. That’s what you’re feeling. Exactly. So you, the more, the more aware you are of that, the more you can be.

[00:44:46] Martin: You can do something about it. You can be like, ah, okay, well that guy’s got a, a vibe about him. He’s got something about him that I recognize, even though he’s smiling to my face mm-hmm. Kind of thing. So you, you start to be able to really see what’s really there because you have an awareness beyond just, oh, the [00:45:00] guy’s just.

[00:45:01] Martin: Flesh and bones kind of thing. 

[00:45:02] Brad: Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s so interesting that you say that Andy Holmes came on and he was, he was talking about, so he is, um, a Scientology volunteer minister. Mm-hmm. He’s fully, fully trained for that. Um, and he’s also a, uh, yeah. So anyway, he’s, he’s trained to deliver the services and, and stuff like that.

[00:45:22] Brad: Right. And actually like, marry people, all that fun stuff. Yeah. So he, he said that as a part of that course, you study other religions. Mm-hmm. And he studied Christianity, like super deep dive. Like there’s a particular book in the Bible that like LRH says study this book. Yeah. In the bible. LH the founder of Scientology says, study the Bible on this Scientology course.

[00:45:42] Brad: It’s just like, 

[00:45:43] Martin: yeah. 

[00:45:43] Brad: So anyways, the, the point that he made then, this was just Andy kind of just like, this is the conclusion he arrived at, this isn’t necessarily part of Scientology or anything, but he, he was like, look, if you look at the timeline of Jesus and what Jesus was talking about, it was all centered on.[00:46:00] 

[00:46:00] Brad: You will have consequences of your actions today in the future. Mm-hmm. And you don’t know how far into the future. Yeah. And you are an eternal soul, so be mindful of what you do today. 

[00:46:11] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:46:11] Brad: Because you’re gonna keep living on brother. 

[00:46:13] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:46:13] Brad: And it’s gonna affect you. And he’s like, basically what Jesus was doing is he was taking people’s attention off of, like you said, the flesh and blood.

[00:46:20] Brad: Yeah. And putting it on the fact that they are immortal spiritual beings. 

[00:46:23] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:46:24] Brad: Which you walk up to a person who’s not insane and you say, Hey, do you think you’re just the body? Is there something else? Almost everyone is gonna say there’s something else. 

[00:46:32] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:46:32] Brad: Right. Almost anyone asks that question to.

[00:46:34] Brad: They’re like, yeah, there’s more. 

[00:46:35] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:46:35] Brad: There’s a billion people in India who are Hindi who believe in reincarnation. That is a part of their fundamental belief system. Yeah. This is not a weird belief to believe that you’re gonna live on. 

[00:46:45] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:45] Brad: Right. And so he’s like. Andy made this great point. He was like, if you look at the reason that there was so much backlash against Jesus and his disciples is it probably has to do with the fact that the Roman Empire at the time was using [00:47:00] fear of bodily harm, death, whatever, right?

[00:47:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. They used force, which could be pain inflicted on somebody’s body to control people. That’s how they control their empire. Mm-hmm. And if you get people who are no longer worried about that and will keep to their moral code mm-hmm. And you cannot get them to violate their moral code because they care more about their eternal soul than their immediate body.

[00:47:21] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:47:22] Brad: You cannot control those people. Mm-hmm. And he is like, if you look at the downfall of the Roman Empire, he is like, people say the Mongols, blah, blah blah, whatever, but he is like, that actually seems to correlate more and that seems to be what they were more afraid of than anything else that could be a threat to them.

[00:47:34] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:47:35] Brad: And I was like, God damn dude. That’s a great point. Yeah. And it’s so funny ’cause he literally walked through the same thing you just walked through, which is like. Jesus’ teachings were you live on. 

[00:47:47] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:47] Brad: You’re not, it’s not just about this, like, this is important. This will affect you, what you do here and now.

[00:47:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. But it’s not about just this. 

[00:47:54] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:47:54] Brad: Right. There’s so much more that you’re, you’re gonna experience as, as an immortal soul. [00:48:00] So that was like, when he, when he brought, made that point about the Roman Empire, I was just like, 

[00:48:06] Martin: yeah. 

[00:48:07] Brad: Mind blown. 

[00:48:08] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:48:08] Brad: But, but you’ve, from your, from your viewpoint, you’ve seen like similar things you like, it seems, sounds like you’ve come to a similar conclusion.

[00:48:16] Martin: Yeah. And I, I, I graduated from Christian Liberty Academy. 

[00:48:20] Brad: Oh 

[00:48:20] Martin: wow. That was my high school. So I, my most of my life I went to Christian schools. Yeah. So I, I studied it every day. We read in the Bible, you know, we had to come up with Bible verses so you’d be at school and sometimes it like, hey, you gimme a Bible verse and you have to give a Bible verse.

[00:48:33] Martin: Yeah. You know, and then, um 

[00:48:34] Brad: Oh wow. 

[00:48:35] Martin: So we had to, you had to learn different things and so gimme a Bible verse. Uh, John 1135, I think it is. Jesus wept. It’s the shortest verse in the Bible. 

[00:48:45] Brad: What was he, what was he weeping about? 

[00:48:46] Martin: Oh, you gotta read it and find out. Oh, okay. Fine. You know, but he was, he was weeping about conditions in life.

[00:48:52] Martin: Yeah. You know, it’s like, you know, he, he looked at the conditions in life and he was trying to improve conditions in life and wanna understand, like [00:49:00] you’re saying, talking about beyond just this lifetime. 

[00:49:03] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:04] Martin: And, um, might be John 10 35, not 1135. So 

[00:49:09] Brad: somebody can let us know if it’s wrong, let us know in the comments.

[00:49:11] Martin: Yeah, there you go. 

[00:49:12] Brad: We’ll put the right one in. Correction 

[00:49:13] Martin: in the comments. 

[00:49:14] Brad: We’ll put the right one in the show notes. We’ll put the whole verse in the show notes. Okay. 

[00:49:18] Martin: So I, you know, I, I, I, I loved it. I love studying about different religions. Um, it was all interesting to me. 

[00:49:24] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:49:24] Martin: So, and I, I never stopped believing, I never stopped being Catholic, and I never stopped.

[00:49:31] Martin: You know, I never, I necessarily, oh, I renounced being a Catholic or renounce anything. I just started studying and applying Scientology. Mm-hmm. And there were questions I had in life, and Scientology helped me to find the answers I was looking for. 

[00:49:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:49:45] Martin: And so it was just helpful for me. 

[00:49:48] Brad: Good. So question on that.

[00:49:49] Brad: Mm-hmm. Has, in your journey in Scientology, have you ever been asked to renounce any other religion? 

[00:49:54] Martin: No. Never. 

[00:49:55] Brad: Yeah. Have you ever seen anyone who has been asked to reannounce any other religion? [00:50:00] No. Never. Yeah. Me neither. Yeah. I’m like, I’m waiting for like, where like nobody seems to actually care. Yeah.

[00:50:05] Brad: It’s like, Hey, what are you doing right now? How are you living your life? And how can we help you improve the way you’re living your life? 

[00:50:10] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:50:10] Brad: So, question for you. And so one, one thing about Scientology that I love personally, that I actually loved about it from the beginning. Is, uh, the concept of the eight dynamics.

[00:50:21] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:21] Brad: Starting with just your, yourself, your body going all the way up to, uh, you know, basically infinity, which is supreme being God. Mm-hmm. The coolest. One of, one of my favorite things about Scientology is it actually doesn’t address belief about God or supreme being. It’s like that’s to you, it’s like over to you.

[00:50:38] Brad: Mm-hmm. Like, we’re not, we’re not gonna, we’re not gonna dictate that to you. Mm-hmm. So this really isn’t a Scientology question, it’s actually a personal question. What do you believe about God? 

[00:50:48] Martin: Well, I, 

[00:50:48] Brad: this is, this is Martin’s belief. 

[00:50:50] Martin: I believe there’s, um, I believe there’s a God, I believe, I don’t believe that all this just happened by chance.

[00:50:57] Martin: I believe this is a causative [00:51:00] thing that this is caused. And, um, I believe that in your own universe, you’re the God of your universe. 

[00:51:08] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:51:09] Martin: And, um, to the degree that you’re causing things to happen in your world. Versus you’re the effect of something that happens to you. Now, that’s not to say I’m blasphemous in saying there is not a God of a, a, a God in a traditional sense that created all this.

[00:51:28] Martin: I do believe there’s a God that created all this. Right. And I do believe that we’re as like in a Bible says, we’re made in an image of God. 

[00:51:36] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:37] Martin: So if you’re made an image of God, what image is not just a physical body image, all kinds of different things, you’re made in a spirit. So it means you have the abilities to create, to think a thought and make it materialize in the physical universe and, um, and cause things to happen.

[00:51:54] Martin: And cause effects to happen. Yeah. So that’s my view on it. I believe in God, but I also believe that the [00:52:00] spiritual nature of man is that he can create and do things himself. He can solve a lot of his own problems. Mm-hmm. If he understands. How those problems are being caused in the first place, he can be caused over his problems.

[00:52:16] Martin: Yeah. And that’s something that I think it’s, is very empowering about Scientology because then it’s not just about you waiting around and being in effect. 

[00:52:25] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:26] Martin: You know, a lot of people say Heaven help those who help themselves. Yes. Yeah. If the guy starts moving in a direction, all of a sudden he founds, he finds that other people are showing up to help him.

[00:52:35] Martin: He’s more causative, he’s moving in a pro survival direction. 

[00:52:38] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:52:38] Martin: So rather than just sitting there and saying, well, you know, I’m just gonna wait for, you know, something to happen to me. Mm-hmm. You gotta go out there and make something happen. And, uh, and so that’s, that’s my view on that. 

[00:52:48] Brad: Wow. Dude, I wish we could do like audience applause or something.

[00:52:52] Brad: That was amazing. Oh my gosh. I love that. Okay. And so now you’ve been, okay, so that was [00:53:00] 2017, roughly nine years now. 

[00:53:02] Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:03] Brad: You’ve been in and around Scientology. You were a Scientologist. What, like what’s, what’s changed in your life? Like how, how has it affected your life and your business other than the 400% year one increase?

[00:53:14] Brad: Obviously notable. 

[00:53:16] Martin: Yeah. So it’s helped me in all areas, so, so some of the biggest areas is like communication. 

[00:53:24] Brad: Mm. 

[00:53:25] Martin: Right. And being able to sit there and communicate with somebody and really receive their communication. Acknowledge what they said to me, make sure I duplicate or understand and communicate back to them.

[00:53:36] Martin: Just that alone where people can feel like you hear them or you receive their communication or they can talk to you. A tremendous amount of my friends call me to talk to me about problems in their life. Mm-hmm. And it would tell me, I don’t have anybody else I can talk to. Buddy of mine the other night, he and I were having a conversation, he’s having problems in his marriage.

[00:53:58] Martin: He lost a sibling, [00:54:00] he’s dealing with that. And he’s like, I have nobody else I can talk to. And he was thinking me. For being there so that he can have that communication cycle with me, that I, that I can receive that communication and then help point him towards things that can help him. So we have things like that that happen.

[00:54:16] Martin: My communication, obviously it’s helped my business tremendously. Um, my business has grown every year since we’ve been applying Scientology principles. So it’s growth and expansion, um, communication with my son, my siblings with people. Yeah. Um, it’s also helped me understand this concept of like battle or false information.

[00:54:39] Brad: Mm. 

[00:54:39] Martin: Because we, we have a financial services business. 

[00:54:41] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:42] Martin: And this is one of the most emotionally charged subjects on the planet. 

[00:54:46] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:47] Martin: On a subject of money, almost anybody, you know, I’ve experienced one of these. They’ve experienced, they’ve, they’ve been betrayed on a subject. 

[00:54:55] Brad: Yep. 

[00:54:55] Martin: They’ve, they’ve, uh, they’ve made a financial mistake before.

[00:54:59] Martin: [00:55:00] Or they’ve had some sort of loss mm-hmm. On the subject of money. 

[00:55:03] Brad: Yep. 

[00:55:04] Martin: Almost everybody, you know, has had one or all of those things happen to them. 

[00:55:08] Brad: I’ve got multiple of all three of those. 

[00:55:11] Martin: So, so you’re talking about a very charged subject. 

[00:55:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:55:15] Martin: And very emotionally charged and imagine a person’s going through life, having to still deal with money and make financial related decisions every day.

[00:55:24] Martin: With last year they suffered a loss. They tried to do something and failed. They tried to make an investment that went bad. So now this person has all of that on them, weighing on them while they’re trying to move forward into making financial decisions. 

[00:55:38] Brad: And they have to continue operating in financial, like they have to still deal with money.

[00:55:43] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:55:44] Brad: They have to still confront it every single day. ’cause it’s just putting your face every day. 

[00:55:48] Martin: Exactly. 

[00:55:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:55:49] Martin: It’s a so, so, so the, the average person is trying to. Solve, how do I live better? 

[00:55:56] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:56] Martin: How do I handle my personal economics in life? How do I get along [00:56:00] well with my spouse, my family life? 

[00:56:01] Brad: Do you, I love that you said personal economics.

[00:56:03] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:56:03] Brad: Because e economics as a different definition, it’s more accurate definition than finances. Yeah. When it comes to a household. 

[00:56:10] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:56:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:56:11] Martin: So it’s like you’re, you’re trying to handle your personal economics and you’re trying to rise up and increase your standard of living. Mm-hmm. And so that you’re less and less the effective money and more and more causative on the subject of money, finances.

[00:56:22] Martin: How do you do that? And, and, um, and because I’ve been able to understand many different things in Scientology, I could take complicated subjects and make them simple enough to people to understand. 

[00:56:35] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:35] Martin: And actually knowledge is supposed to move from complexity to simplicity. Is a author 

[00:56:41] Brad: as you understand a subject more.

[00:56:42] Martin: Exactly. 

[00:56:43] Brad: You go from having it’s Oh, it’s so complex to No, no, it’s actually quite simple. 

[00:56:46] Martin: It’s simple. 

[00:56:47] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:56:47] Martin: And the people who try to make it complex, they try to position themselves as authority or pompous, or, I’m so much better. I know all this 

[00:56:54] Brad: professional. 

[00:56:55] Martin: Yeah. And it’s, it’s going downward. So all you have to look [00:57:00] at is, is this person making it simple or making it complex?

[00:57:03] Martin: Mm-hmm. And if somebody can take a subject that somebody finds to have a lot of emotional charge that people really want to get handled, but when they go into that area to confront that area and start talking about finances, maybe they, they, they think of losses they’ve had or they think about when they were betrayed, or you know, when it failed at something.

[00:57:23] Martin: When you have all those different things happening in life, it can hold a person back from reaching their full potential on what they want to do, especially in that area. Totally. Yeah. So Scientologists helped us really understand when I’m talking to somebody else. I’m talking to another spiritual being.

[00:57:41] Martin: Mm-hmm. Whether that person’s aware of it or not, I’m talking to another spiritual being. Mm-hmm. And a lot of times what passes as financial advice in our society today is very, it’s like tactical. Mm-hmm. What’s the best stock and what’s the best investment and should I buy real estate? Right. It’s very tactical.

[00:57:57] Martin: Should I buy 

[00:57:58] Brad: Bitcoin? 

[00:57:58] Martin: Yeah. Should I buy? So at least [00:58:00] a lot of the question there, the tactical, which is actually when you look at, um, a scale of goals. 

[00:58:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:06] Martin: It’s, it’s, it’s not very high on a scale of goals. 

[00:58:09] Brad: Yeah. So, 

[00:58:10] Martin: so if you look at your goals and purposes, why, what’s, what are you trying to do in life and then how do you back that up to, how does money as a tool help you play the games you wanna play?

[00:58:21] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:22] Martin: And help you to not play the games you don’t wanna play. Yeah. Because there’s certain games people play because they have to pay, play that game because of where they are financial, 

[00:58:29] Brad: but they don’t wanna actually want 

[00:58:30] Martin: to, they don’t want, they don’t wanna play that game. 

[00:58:31] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:58:32] Martin: So, so money allows you to buy out of that game.

[00:58:35] Martin: You’re like, Nope, I don’t wanna play that game. Boom. I’m, I’m next game. Yeah. Different game. I got, I got choices. Right. So when you start looking at personal economics, you start looking at, there’s games I wanna play and I’m handling things. And Scientology helped me to understand how to break down things simple.

[00:58:52] Martin: Like another concept we should talk to people about is a separation of tasks or hats. 

[00:58:58] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:58] Martin: So in, [00:59:00] in studying Scientology, there’s a course you, you could take called Student Hat. Mm-hmm. And it really, for me, the big one I got from Student Hat is I can learn anything. 

[00:59:08] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:08] Martin: I can learn any subject no matter what it is 

[00:59:11] Brad: to, to just give a little explanation.

[00:59:13] Brad: The, the Student Hat course essentially is, uh, something which teaches you how to wear the hat of being a student, or like Martin said, learning how to learn. 

[00:59:26] Martin: Exactly. 

[00:59:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:27] Martin: So 

[00:59:28] Brad: beautiful course. 

[00:59:28] Martin: Yeah. 

[00:59:29] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:29] Martin: And I, I realized. And the term hat comes from like a policeman wearing a hat or a fireman wearing a hat.

[00:59:35] Martin: So a hat is like a post or a job or a function. 

[00:59:37] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:38] Martin: So I realize when it comes to money and personal economics, there’s different hats people have to wear and they don’t realize these are different hats. The same person can wear those hats. Mm-hmm. If they understand that they are different hats. 

[00:59:51] Brad: Mm-hmm.

[00:59:51] Martin: So the hat of making money is one hat, how to make the money. There’s another hat on how to manage the money. [01:00:00] There’s another hat on how to invest the money. 

[01:00:02] Brad: Mm. 

[01:00:03] Martin: These are different hats. 

[01:00:04] Brad: You’re right. 

[01:00:05] Martin: If you look at a company, like if you look at an investment company, they’ll have different, different roles.

[01:00:08] Martin: One role will be like a chief executive officer. Sometimes they call, they may have something called a Chief revenue officer, and their goal is to create the revenue of the company. That’s the making of the money. Mm-hmm. Then they’ll have a chief financial officer. Their job is to tell the money where to go, how to direct it, and make sure that all these things and projects they wanna do, they can afford to do it.

[01:00:26] Martin: Yeah. That’s managing the money. 

[01:00:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:00:28] Martin: And then sometimes they’ll have a chief investment officer and their job is to take the capital and invest it somehow. And they’re, they’re in charge of investing that capital. 

[01:00:36] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:37] Martin: They, they are different skills and different hats. 

[01:00:39] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:40] Martin: And you also operate with a different viewpoint, like, um, when you are making money.

[01:00:47] Martin: It doesn’t actually have a lot to do with money. It’s, it’s, it’s the money itself is towards the end result of it. 

[01:00:53] Brad: Yes, that’s right. 

[01:00:54] Martin: You know, so it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a skill. So people think if somebody makes a lot of money, [01:01:00] they’re not necessarily good. They’re not always good at managing their money. Look at athletes.

[01:01:03] Martin: A lot of, a lot of pro football players, unfortunately they can make a lot of money ’cause they have a great skillset. 

[01:01:07] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:08] Martin: They can get a lot of attention. Great skillset. People want pay a lot of money to see them. So they got that skill is worth a lot in the society. Mm-hmm. They get paid a lot of money.

[01:01:16] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:17] Martin: But in, they’ve never been trained on how to manage it. 

[01:01:19] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:19] Martin: And they’re often very poor investors. 

[01:01:21] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:22] Martin: And you can actually look out on flip side, you take people in the financial industry, they get trained on how to invest money. So they get trained on like the investment process and everything, but it doesn’t mean they know how to make money.

[01:01:32] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:33] Martin: So a lot of times the financial advisor may not necessarily make the most amount of money around. Mm-hmm Because he doesn’t have the hat, he doesn’t really learn the hat of making money. So you’ll see, um, a lot of financial people are very much. A conservative emotional tone level. Mm-hmm. Very conservative and all this.

[01:01:52] Martin: Mm-hmm. And you gotta wire a white shirt, white shirt, and a certain tie, whatever. 

[01:01:55] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:01:56] Martin: And so when a person’s at a conservative emotional tone [01:02:00] level, they, they don’t seek a lot of attention. Yeah. They kind of withdrawn a little bit. 

[01:02:04] Brad: Oh, totally. 

[01:02:05] Martin: And 

[01:02:06] Brad: absolutely. Like, let me do my thing. Nobody look at me. 

[01:02:09] Martin: Yeah.

[01:02:09] Brad: Nobody get too excited. Keep it calm. Okay. Keep it professional. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:02:14] Martin: And mi Mr. Hubbard talks about money, money flows towards points which attract pro survival attention. 

[01:02:19] Brad: That’s right. 

[01:02:19] Martin: So if I wanna make a lot of money, like, like the guys in the stadium, they make a lot of money. ’cause look how much attention’s on them.

[01:02:24] Martin: That’s 

[01:02:25] Brad: right. 

[01:02:25] Martin: Look how the, the, the, the artists playing big stadiums and recording a music, lot of attention on them. 

[01:02:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:31] Martin: So pro survival, like creating art, the, the guys providing entertainment, whatever. 

[01:02:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:02:36] Martin: So you start looking at that. If, if the. If the financial professional doesn’t understand this concept, they, they limit their economic production, how much money they can really make.

[01:02:48] Martin: And that goes for anybody, whatever it is they’re doing. Like, you’re very good at what you’re doing. You’re out there putting these messages out and people seeing you on TikTok and all these, and I see all your videos, and then it gets attention. And people [01:03:00] really then want to do business with you Yeah.

[01:03:01] Martin: And feel like they know you. 

[01:03:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:03] Martin: You know, so it’s like that sort of thing. But if you’re, if you’re at a, a low emotional state 

[01:03:08] Brad: mm-hmm. 

[01:03:08] Martin: Where you are so conservative and you don’t want people to look at you or see you and you’re gonna hide, you’re not gonna, you’re not gonna make as much money. But when you start getting into excitement, exhilaration, action games, you’re like, damn, let’s do this.

[01:03:21] Martin: Let’s roll, let’s, you know, let’s go play. And then all of a sudden people are like, I like that guy. I wanna do business with you. 

[01:03:27] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:27] Martin: You can make money based on your enthusiasm and exhilaration and your tone level. 

[01:03:33] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:33] Martin: Alone. 

[01:03:34] Brad: Yeah, that’s true. 

[01:03:34] Martin: And that’s something I learned in Scientology. Wow. If you’re a high tone positive person.

[01:03:38] Martin: Boom. You get attention, you say hi to people. 

[01:03:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:41] Martin: My wife does it all the time. Says hi. She says hi to everybody. Yeah. She’s just, she’s, and she’s one of the most in communication people ever. She’ll talk to everybody. Yeah. She waves hi to all the homeless people, so, so, you know, I do the same thing now because it’s like, but with her it’s a good 

[01:03:53] Brad: lesson.

[01:03:54] Martin: It was like she says hi to everybody. 

[01:03:55] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:03:56] Martin: They are very friendly to her. Now, all of a sudden is they start saying hi to her [01:04:00] first. 

[01:04:00] Brad: Mm-hmm. Oh, 

[01:04:02] Martin: you see that? She brings up the communication I’ll flow 

[01:04:04] Brad: and then you get inflow. 

[01:04:05] Martin: Exactly. She brings out the communication level. 

[01:04:08] Brad: Oh, damn. Wow. 

[01:04:10] Martin: So my, my wife can walk down the street.

[01:04:12] Martin: Nobody’s gonna mess with her while she’s in communication. People think they have to ignore the people. No. 

[01:04:17] Brad: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:18] Martin: You get in communication with the person. 

[01:04:19] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:20] Martin: And once you get in communication with the person, now you bring up, you can, you can bring, you have your emotional tone level to that person to see that she’s enthusiastic to see she’s in action.

[01:04:29] Martin: Yeah. Saying hello in communication. 

[01:04:31] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:31] Martin: Start doing that. You start bringing the people up more. Yeah. People wanna be around you. They wanna do business with you. So those are some of the things where you start looking at it and it’s, it’s not the technical, it’s not the tactical thing. Like it’s so tact.

[01:04:45] Martin: People get so tactical and subject of money. 

[01:04:47] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:04:47] Martin: When you start getting to goals purposes, higher tone levels, and you start, you start to see that and you’re like, oh, this is how it really works. Yeah. Because now you’re dealing with another being and now they wanna exchange with you [01:05:00] because they’re seeing you.

[01:05:00] Martin: Of course. You gotta have the chops to do the technical part. Yeah, 

[01:05:04] Brad: yeah, yeah. 

[01:05:04] Martin: But of course, if you’re competent enough, you’ll be able to do that very easily. 

[01:05:07] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:08] Martin: But it’s is the, it’s the higher level things of really communicating with another being. Yeah. And so Scientologists help me with that. And so it’s, it’s hard for you to see that on a spreadsheet.

[01:05:16] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:05:16] Martin: But you see that like, like, um, but you see that in the communication. You see that on my graph though? 

[01:05:21] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:21] Martin: You see that on my gross income graph? 

[01:05:22] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:23] Martin: So, so there you go. 

[01:05:24] Brad: You can see it on the graph. Yeah. Dude, it’s, it’s the same thing when, when we. So we graph every week one of the major graphs that I look at, like you talked about, I spend a lot of my time and attention on getting attention.

[01:05:36] Brad: Mm-hmm. Right. We graph how many people we reach on a weekly basis on, on, across all of our platforms, on social media, and always, always, always, always, if it spikes. Mm-hmm. I know. Four to six weeks later, ’cause there’s a little bit of a lag. 

[01:05:51] Martin: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:51] Brad: I’m gonna have a spike in sales. It always happens. Yeah. If it goes through the roof, I’m like.

[01:05:56] Martin: It’s calm. 

[01:05:57] Brad: I’m like, I gotta control myself. Don’t spend any money. I’m like, [01:06:00] hold on, just hold it because I know it’s coming. I’ll get excited and I’ll be like, oh, I can start spending, I have to actually cont I’ve gotten myself in trouble because it’s so predictable. Yeah. That I’ll just be like, oh, you know, yeah.

[01:06:10] Brad: I can just go and like, yeah. So I completely agree. I’ve, I’ve gone over probably the same references for Mr. Hubbard on attention and money and how the two interact and Yeah. You know, how they behave. And I’ve come to the same conclusion, obviously. 

[01:06:24] Martin: Yeah. 

[01:06:24] Brad: Okay. So, uh, question for you. Mm-hmm. Question we ask every guest in your own words, what is Scientology?

[01:06:32] Martin: Scientology is an opportunity, it’s an, it is an opportunity for you to find out who you really are, what you can do, and what your full potential is. And it’s a, it’s a system that can take you from wherever you are today, whatever condition you are. To a higher state of existence. 

[01:06:52] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:06:53] Martin: So a person could be in a condition where things are crashing around them in a condition of danger where they feel like, I don’t know how I’m gonna get out of [01:07:00] this.

[01:07:00] Martin: And you can actually, through applying principles in Scientology, turn out, around going, going from crashing to turn around, you can go into a normal operating condition, into affluence, into a condition of power. 

[01:07:11] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:07:12] Martin: And so Scientology can predictably do that. Yeah. So it’s an opportunity for somebody to look for themselves and find out what it is for them.

[01:07:19] Brad: Dude, that’s so good. That’s a great answer. 

[01:07:22] Martin: Thanks. 

[01:07:22] Brad: Thank you. Okay, so that isn’t my last question though. My last question for you is, if you could say something to Mr. Grant Cardone. 

[01:07:30] Martin: Oh. 

[01:07:31] Brad: Who, who it seems really kind of like actually put, put it there for you to, to go find the thing you’ve been looking for.

[01:07:37] Brad: Yeah. What would you say to Grant? 

[01:07:39] Martin: I would say, grant, thank you. And, um, thank you for your courage, your example, and for actually following through. Um, it’s, it’s phenomenal what you’ve built and it’s phenomenal what you’ve done [01:08:00] to just be an example because just you saying Scientology is responsible. Over 90% of my success is what got me to go to Church of Scientology to find out for myself.

[01:08:14] Martin: And now we’re doing things all around the world. We’re doing things with drug free world. For example, in my home country of Liberia where 20% of the people are there on drugs, the average age in Liberia is around 19 years old. So we’re we’re going in there to try to turn that around. And so far we’ve gotten 179 volunteers in Liberia distributing drug free world material, holding events in schools, teaching kids.

[01:08:40] Martin: Go into neighborhoods, people are setting up. Uh, former addicts are getting together to read this, these materials, people are going into public markets and like on a loudspeaker, reading the booklets. 

[01:08:53] Brad: Wow. 

[01:08:55] Martin: If somebody like you didn’t have the courage to just [01:09:00] be a Scientologist, I don’t know that I would’ve found it as I found it and applied it as I’ve done to create the success in life that I have.

[01:09:09] Martin: And we’re just scratching the surface, man. 

[01:09:11] Brad: That’s 

[01:09:11] Martin: right. There’s a lot more to do. 

[01:09:13] Brad: That’s right. 

[01:09:13] Martin: There’s, there’s half a billion people in West Africa. Half a billion in 

[01:09:18] Brad: West Africa. 

[01:09:19] Martin: Just in West Africa. Almost half a billion just in West Africa alone. 

[01:09:22] Brad: How, how many people on the continent do you know?

[01:09:24] Brad: Roughly? 

[01:09:25] Martin: Over a billion. 

[01:09:26] Brad: Wow. 

[01:09:26] Martin: Um, over a billion. And, and, and it’s, they’re growing pretty fastest. There’s 480 something million just in West Africa 

[01:09:32] Brad: alone. Is, is it not the fastest growing, uh, continent in terms of population? 

[01:09:36] Martin: It might be. I’m I pretty confident it’s the youngest, so it’s like. You have all these young people there looking for opportunity, looking for things to do, and, um, and they, they know they’re, they are more than just what they see in a mirror.

[01:09:50] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:09:50] Martin: And they want solutions. Yeah. And they wanna be productive. 

[01:09:52] Brad: Yeah. So I might know, we might know some solutions for ’em. So, by the way, I think, so that actually wasn’t my last question. I did, I did want to actually talk about, [01:10:00] uh, the drug free world activities that you’re doing. Yeah. Can, can like, tell me about that.

[01:10:04] Martin: Sure. So, um, drug Free world 

[01:10:06] Brad: and Wait, what? Yeah, please. 

[01:10:08] Martin: Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. 

[01:10:09] Brad: I was gonna say what, like, what, how would you define that activity for somebody who might not know what it is? 

[01:10:14] Martin: Okay. 

[01:10:14] Brad: And the title kind of gives it away, but what’s, what’s the, what’s the push, what’s the drive? 

[01:10:19] Martin: Well, drug Free World is the largest non-governmental drug education program in the world.

[01:10:24] Martin: And, um, it’s based on the materials from l Ron Hubbard. And it really gives people the truth about what drugs are and what they do, what effects they have on them. And for example, people may not realize alcohol is a. But all drugs are poisons. So only the degree, if you take so much of ’em, they poison you, you can die.

[01:10:42] Martin: Mm-hmm. So when you understand what they are, then you can make better decisions about them. Um, whenever I used any kind of drug before in the past, I didn’t really know what was in it. I just, somebody said, this will make you feel good. This will make you more social. You know, this is fun. Whatever. It’s, it’s [01:11:00] never, I never tell you the bad stuff about drugs.

[01:11:01] Martin: Every, any, anybody who’s giving you drugs or selling it to you is always gonna tell you It’s really, really good. It is awesome. You’re gonna love it. 

[01:11:07] Brad: Whatever you mean. You mean they don’t tell you that you’re gonna wind up in a public bathroom, passed out on the floor with no money. Your family hates you, stolen from everyone you know, and you’re extremely ashamed of yourself.

[01:11:16] Brad: They’re not gonna tell you that. They see, 

[01:11:17] Martin: ain’t gonna tell you that because they what? You ain’t gonna buy it, man. So it’s like we. We, we started volunteering with Drug Free World with NFL Youth Football camps. A lot of these, uh, pro football players have these camps that they do. And then we’d go there, we set up a booth and uh, the kids would take a little course and it would be entered to win a signed football from the athlete.

[01:11:41] Martin: Oh, awesome. And it was really cool. So we got the kids assigned a drug free world pledge, the pledge to be drug free. And then, um, in August, 2025, there was this big march in Liberia, like this huge, it was this huge national thing, was saying all the newspapers. And it was about people who had gotten tired.

[01:11:58] Martin: About the drug situation in [01:12:00] Liberia, 20% of the population is on drugs in Liberia, and there’s no real solution how to handle this. 

[01:12:06] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:12:07] Martin: And so 

[01:12:09] Brad: is, is this street drugs? 

[01:12:10] Martin: It’s all kinds of things. All 

[01:12:12] Brad: kinds, yeah. 

[01:12:12] Martin: And, um, it’s cocaine, it’s marijuana. It’s like, there’s one called Kush that’s a mix of, uh, fentanyl and a bunch of other things.

[01:12:21] Martin: Mm. So people would die in the streets mm-hmm. Taking some of these drugs. And there’s a lot of synthetic drugs in Africa because they get mixed with all kinds of cheap compounds and things, and then they put it on the streets, and so they get tested on people there. 

[01:12:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:32] Martin: And so they’re, they’re often the test cases and some of ’em die from testing it.

[01:12:35] Martin: And that’s how, you know, oh, there’s too much of this in there that’s gonna kill them. 

[01:12:39] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[01:12:39] Martin: Because the, the goal of the drug dealer isn’t gonna kill you is to get you so high and strong on it that you keep going back. 

[01:12:45] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:12:45] Martin: For more and more and more. Yeah. So they, they test it on people over there. Drug dealer death.

[01:12:50] Martin: Yeah, exactly. That’s, that’s their goal. Mm-hmm. So basically, um. When I show this my, to my wife, she and I were, were talking about it and she’s like, let’s [01:13:00] go, let’s, um, let’s go get drug free world in Liberia. So that’s some of the things we were talking about. And then we went and got the international solution of Scientologists.

[01:13:11] Martin: They, fortunately and thankfully sponsored drug free world. So even you and myself, some of our support goes to help and fund Absolutely, 

[01:13:20] Brad: absolutely. 

[01:13:21] Martin: Fund drug free world. Yeah. So we got materials and then uh, we got materials, shipped them to Liberia and put together a team. And I’ve been running all that from over here.

[01:13:30] Martin: And so it started where every week we start having events. Then some weeks we had almost every day we would have an event. We had different partners that would go This, this team of, out of the 179 volunteers, this group would go to this school. So the group would go to another school and they would go into the classrooms.

[01:13:48] Martin: Yeah. And the people are very thankful for this materials. So we, we capture videos, we capture all kinds of pictures and things like that. 

[01:13:55] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:13:55] Martin: And, um, we distributed, uh, we distributed [01:14:00] 25,000 booklets in Liberia. 

[01:14:01] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:14:02] Martin: And there were so many more people reached than the booklets. We reached tens of thousands of people.

[01:14:07] Martin: Well, you’re talking about a massive, massive problem in Liberia. So it’s just really getting started. And so the, the office of the president of Liberia called us to say, thanks for bringing drug free role to Liberia. Wow. And, uh, a senator in Liberia, um, reached out to, to us to say thanks for bringing drug free role into Liberia.

[01:14:26] Martin: So. We, we want, our goal is, and this will happen, is to make drug free world a national drug education program for the Republic of Liberia. 

[01:14:34] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:14:34] Martin: So one in all the schools, we want churches, we want people who want materials. So if you are watching this and you have an organization, you have a church, you have a group in Liberia and you want materials, reach out to us, leave a comment, and we will get you materials.

[01:14:49] Martin: Uh, so award-winning materials, these are fantastic materials. People love them, they’ve been all around the world, and people really make a difference. So one little story about it is there was a kid in [01:15:00] school who’s like, he took another copy to give to his older brother who’s using drugs. So a younger brother’s taking responsibility for an older brother to help him to get off drugs by giving him these booklets.

[01:15:11] Martin: Amazing. Phenomenal stuff. 

[01:15:13] Brad: That’s amazing. 

[01:15:13] Martin: Yeah, 

[01:15:14] Brad: bro. Love what you’re doing. You’re amazing. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you. And uh, just to wrap, remember, something can be done about it. Absolutely right, Martin. 

[01:15:24] Martin: Absolutely 

[01:15:25] Brad: don’t do nothing. Just 

[01:15:26] Martin: don’t do nothing.