Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Denice: I was raised in a broken home and next month I will be happily married for 38 fricking years. Wow. 

[00:00:06] Brad: Amazing. 

[00:00:07] Denice: 38, 1980, 

[00:00:08] Aaron: 1994 people had more morals than, I don’t know 

[00:00:10] Denice: why I 

[00:00:11] Aaron: just, that is the case. ‘

[00:00:12] Denice: cause you weren’t looking at so much other stimulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like you could go the entire day and never see a woman’s cleavage.

[00:00:19] Denice: Now you’re, you’ve seen seven asses by the time. Mm-hmm. You’ve checked the, the morning email. I was born in Long Island, New York in 1965. ’cause actresses don’t like to say how old they are. Mm. But when you have a skincare company, it’s kind of a flex. It was important for me to have the 20 year olds know that 50 should not be feared.

[00:00:38] Denice: I don’t have any aches or pains. It’s 100% from being a Scientologist. Right, right. Accidents can happen, but how great is it? That you are in control of that. Yeah. All the happiness you ever need lies in you. 

[00:00:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Okay guys, today I have a good friend of mine, Denise Duff. Okay. So Denise, by the way, [00:01:00] is the original D.

[00:01:01] Aaron: Nice. 

[00:01:01] Denice: Oh gosh. Yeah, 

[00:01:02] Aaron: because her name’s actually spelled to the C, like D. Nice. Like actually, actually, so the original, this is, it predates the one that you know of. Okay. D. Nice. So anyway, she’s the founder of In Your Face Skincare, which as you can tell, she is very in your face. 

[00:01:18] Denice: Oh, gosh. She started right off.

[00:01:20] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. She, she’s in it. Um, she’s been on, uh, this company, uh, which is relatively new. Right? It’s not even How, how, how, well, 

[00:01:26] Denice: we’re like six years old. 

[00:01:27] Aaron: Six years old, okay. The last two years has been on the Inc 500, or the Inc. 5,000. So last year or 2024, number 428, the fastest growing company in the United States.

[00:01:36] Aaron: That’s pretty, uh, pretty amazing. That’s, well then it’s 

[00:01:38] Denice: weird for me to, but it’s true. 

[00:01:40] Aaron: That’s amazing. 

[00:01:41] Denice: Thank you. 

[00:01:41] Aaron: Okay. She is a, an actress who has been on. Series that I don’t recognize, but apparently are big. 

[00:01:51] Oh, no, 

[00:01:51] Aaron: there’s so No, no, no, no, no, no. Called Matlock, you know, you know Matlock? I don’t know Matlock dude.

[00:01:56] Aaron: Okay. But CSI, Miami Young and Restless. Okay. Dozens of [00:02:00] national commercials. And the lead vampire, I 

[00:02:02] Brad: recognize, 

[00:02:02] Aaron: you know, Matlock 

[00:02:03] Denice: Mattlock, 

[00:02:03] Aaron: which one? 

[00:02:04] Brad: Vampire Dires. 

[00:02:05] Aaron: No, no, no. Mattlock dude. 

[00:02:06] Brad: Oh, no, no. Sorry. I 

[00:02:08] Aaron: So there you go. See? But it’s okay. It’s all good. 

[00:02:10] Denice: Matlock is so old that now there’s a new remake. A remake with a woman instead of Andy Griffith as the Man.

[00:02:17] Denice: Wow. But no, Matlock has been around so long. I get screenshots from like, I wanna say old women like my age, and they’re, you know, sixties, seventies. Yeah. Um, and they’re like, you’re on the TV right now, you know? Oh, 

[00:02:29] Aaron: nice. 

[00:02:29] Denice: So it’s oh’s amazing. It’s so sweet. It’s so sweet. 

[00:02:32] Aaron: That’s beautiful. So, um, and lead Vampire in the Subspecies series.

[00:02:37] Denice: Oh yes. 

[00:02:37] Aaron: Which 

[00:02:38] Denice: people? People pay for my autograph. 

[00:02:40] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:02:40] Denice: I’m just saying. I 

[00:02:41] Aaron: agree. It’s crazy. So, you know what, uh. Luckily you came here pro bono. So I’m very, I’m very happy. Okay. Wait, 

[00:02:48] Denice: what I want, I want a foamer, I need a coffee Foamer. 

[00:02:50] Aaron: Yeah. Okay. Sold. I promise. I did deal sold 

[00:02:52] Brad: for 

[00:02:53] Aaron: a coffee Foamer 

[00:02:54] Denice: deal. 

[00:02:54] Aaron: Um, so and also you are a trained Scientology counselor.

[00:02:59] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:02:59] Aaron: Which [00:03:00] we call auditor, which I know many people that you have. Um, consult consoled 

[00:03:06] Denice: Yes. 

[00:03:06] Aaron: Helped that are very happy you’ve helped them. Thank you for that. Oh my gosh, gosh. And welcome to the show. Good job D Knight. 

[00:03:12] Denice: Bam. Bam. Okay. I do a lot of volunteer minister work as well. 

[00:03:15] Aaron: Oh, 

[00:03:16] Denice: good. And our church has, um, has done so much good for the community.

[00:03:21] Denice: Like it’s tough to help. It’s tough when you have like a natural disaster every Yeah. Deep down people wanna help. Mm. But you can’t let every, you know, Tom, Dick and Harry, just like. Come to the table. Mm-hmm. Help doesn’t get very disorganized. Mm-hmm. And the church is so organized and they’ve proven time after time, really?

[00:03:39] Denice: Nine 11 just really put Yeah. The, um, the volunteer ministers on the map because of how efficient they were. And since then, like when I went to Katrina, um, when I went to Haiti, like I’m right there with the Red Cross. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. And we’re going to the front lines and we’re able to bring order, um, whatever’s needed.

[00:03:58] Denice: Like I worked with, um, giving [00:04:00] hepatitis C shots, um, worked with the military, giving them body assists. 

[00:04:05] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:06] Denice: Um, you know, and they’d come to our tables because they’re ached and their pain and they’re disoriented. And 

[00:04:11] Brad: for someone who might not know, can you explain what a body cys kind of does 

[00:04:15] Denice: for someone?

[00:04:16] Denice: Sure. It, 

[00:04:16] Aaron: I won’t put the link. It’s dot org slash assist and hold on. And it, hold on. It is 

[00:04:22] Denice: such a 

[00:04:22] Aaron: good 

[00:04:22] Denice: sales guy. 

[00:04:23] Aaron: It is an, I’m just telling you, this is miracle work and I haven’t talked about some of the stuff that, that I’ve done. I don’t know your experience with it, but like delivering it, you see some miraculous results.

[00:04:31] Aaron: Yes. You could learn to do it literally in an hour. 

[00:04:34] Denice: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:35] Aaron: Um, and deliver it for successes like you’re about to hear. So, go ahead. 

[00:04:38] Denice: It, it, it’s absolutely true. I would, um, these, there, there were military people that were, were flown into New Orleans, like straight from overseas. Mm-hmm. And, um, and they were just, they were scared.

[00:04:50] Denice: They’re nervous, they’re trained military, but with everything that they’ve gone through, they needed a little, they needed a little spiritual spa. 

[00:04:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm 

[00:04:59] Denice: right. [00:05:00] Needed a spiritual spa. And that’s, as a volunteer minister, what I can give. And, um, so they would, there are tables and I would say, put your gun down, take your boots off.

[00:05:10] Denice: And they just, they just lay And, you know, there is a, uh, you know, you’ve heard of the laying of hands, right? Mm-hmm. That is not a new mm-hmm. Uh, ritual. That’s not a new philosophy. Um, so Hubbard has taken like, what, what are things that actually work, right? Mm-hmm. And your body has energy and doing these assists, uh, one of them, it’s called an, a nervous assist.

[00:05:31] Denice: Mm-hmm. Right? And, um, and, and you just, you know, your help. It’s, it’s a whole. Uh, how would you say it? 

[00:05:38] Aaron: Procedure? 

[00:05:38] Denice: It’s a procedure. Procedure. It’s a procedure that helps to relax their body. Um, there’s also procedures that you can do to help them kind of get more in present time. Mm-hmm. Because even though they’re there, their body’s there, they’re still at war in these other countries.

[00:05:54] Brad: Stuck 

[00:05:54] Denice: attention. That’s right. And they’re not gonna be of any service to the people of New [00:06:00] Orleans if their attention is still back there. Mm-hmm. So though it seemed like, um, what is it that you’re doing with these people? The, um, the, the military were so grateful we were there because we provided something that isn’t really known about.

[00:06:14] Denice: And it’s, it undercuts everything. Mm-hmm. Because they know how to hold a gun and they know how to break open a bolt and rescue someone, but they don’t know how to get their head in a, a state where they can truly be efficient. Yeah. And that’s what I got to work one-on-one. 

[00:06:29] Brad: So the reason that, I’ll tell you, so I was in the Army, so the, the huge thing that they talk about Yeah.

[00:06:34] Brad: In training and like at the highest levels. Yeah. That what you’re describing, that the volunteer ministers provide in situations like that Yeah. Is what they call operational effectiveness. That’s the army buzzword for it. Yeah. That’s all. It’s, it’s, it’s the ability to do your job when it’s needed. 

[00:06:47] Denice: Yeah.

[00:06:48] Brad: Operational effectiveness. And the spiritual spa provides that. ’cause if somebody’s attention is out there. 

[00:06:53] Denice: Right. 

[00:06:53] Brad: But they need to do something right here. How, how effective they’re gonna be thinking about that. Not this 

[00:06:58] Denice: 1000%. [00:07:00] Yeah. Good 

[00:07:00] Brad: job. 

[00:07:00] Denice: Thank you. Thank you. It is, you know, it, it’s a selfish thing as well.

[00:07:04] Denice: Yeah. Because nothing makes you feel more like a superhero than helping someone else. Yeah. Right. It, it is. Um, you know, when I went to Katrina, um, I’m sorry. When I went to Haiti, that was super, uh, that was just visually much more destructive, right? Mm-hmm. And I’m, I’m going into, um, makeshift hospital rooms and there are people without arms, people without legs.

[00:07:28] Denice: Oh my God. And I’m doing there. One of the assists is feel my hands. 

[00:07:31] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:07:32] Denice: Thank you. Feel my hands. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Right? That’s, that’s the only command. And you’re asking the person, can you feel my hands? 

[00:07:39] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:07:39] Denice: And they’ll say either yes or no. Yeah. Right. And then you go on to another part of their body, feel my, so they’re communicating, putting their attention on their body.

[00:07:46] Denice: Mm-hmm. And I think, I think we’re at a state now where people understand that when you’re in communication with your body. It does well there, there’s physical therapy, uh, places where they, there’s an app even that, um, a friend of mine has, and the app gets you [00:08:00] to think about parts of your body. 

[00:08:01] Aaron: What, 

[00:08:02] Denice: yeah.

[00:08:02] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:08:03] Denice: Okay. Have you heard of something like that? Yes, 

[00:08:05] Brad: absolutely. 

[00:08:05] Denice: Yeah. And, and so, um, and I just love that Elron Hubbard was like, oh, doing this in the fifties, in 

[00:08:12] Aaron: seven decades ahead of the time. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:08:14] Denice: In the fifties and sixties. Yes. Like he knew that you as a spirit can control your body. Mm-hmm. Right?

[00:08:21] Denice: Mm-hmm. Obviously, if you get a cut and you’re bleeding, go stitch that thing up. Mm-hmm. You know, but, but your attention on that area provides a good 60% of the healing of it. 

[00:08:32] Brad: That’s right. 

[00:08:32] Denice: Whereas ignoring it, it’s, you don’t, you’re, you’re leaving all that up to chance. 

[00:08:37] Brad: Okay. I have a crazy story. 

[00:08:38] Denice: I love crazy.

[00:08:39] Brad: So, but prior to, so I’m a relatively new Scientologist. Okay. So probably, actually February 12th, I think will be five years for me since I first walked on the board every 12. Yeah. 

[00:08:51] Aaron: That’s my daughter’s birthday. 

[00:08:52] Brad: Oh, is it 

[00:08:52] Aaron: literally? 

[00:08:53] Brad: Oh my gosh. 

[00:08:53] Aaron: And how many years? Five years. Five. Okay. 

[00:08:56] Brad: Yeah, that’s 

[00:08:56] Aaron: fine. 

[00:08:57] Brad: My daughter, I’m, I’m becoming veteran at this point, [00:09:00] but, but prior to that I was looking, I’m like looking for things, like trying different things, whatever.

[00:09:03] Brad: And one thing that I tried that I was like, ah, there’s something here, but it’s just not quite doing it. It was meditation. But I remember the one that I liked the most was a meditation where you’d close your eyes and you would put your attention on different parts of your body. Mm. Right. And I always felt like just kind of better.

[00:09:18] Brad: And now knowing what that’s actually based off of, it makes right to, I have literally forgotten about that until you just said that, Denise. I like, yeah, I forgot that that even happened. But yeah, people are catching on 

[00:09:30] Denice: it. Totally, totally. And, and, and Hubbard has booklets and little choruses where it’s step-by-step on how to do it.

[00:09:37] Denice: It’s you don’t it, it. It doesn’t have to do with any chance. Mm-hmm. It’s just, he’s, it’s mathematical. Right. And I 

[00:09:43] Aaron: wanna say also it’s, 

[00:09:44] Denice: yeah, 

[00:09:45] Aaron: non-surgical. Like, I just realized when I said like, procedure, like, 

[00:09:48] Denice: yeah, 

[00:09:48] Aaron: you might, like, procedure might be like, oh, like no equipment required, no previous experience.

[00:09:54] Denice: Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:55] Aaron: Um, it would be good if you knew how to read, but people who do not know how to read have done it by like someone [00:10:00] else teaching them. 

[00:10:00] Denice: That’s right. 

[00:10:01] Aaron: So pretty much you needed to, like, you just wanna be able to help somebody. That’s it. And so there is no inter no drugs, uh mm-hmm. No knives, no sedation, nothing.

[00:10:10] Denice: The, the before and afters I, when I was in Haiti, 

[00:10:12] Aaron: gimme an example. Gimme like one story of somebody. 

[00:10:15] Denice: Oh, okay. Oh my God. So, um, there was a girl in, um, she had just had her house fall on her and, um, 

[00:10:23] Brad: oh my God. 

[00:10:24] Denice: And so she had, uh, from her, uh, mid thigh down was gone. Um, she had her arms and um, and I went into that tent and, and people were a little nervous to go over to her because it was just so devastating.

[00:10:37] Denice: And she was 19. And, um, and so I went, uh, I went in and now, you know, I know about, um, you know, just through Scientology, that that happiness is such a beautiful, um, emotion to enter a room with. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right? 

[00:10:53] Yeah. 

[00:10:54] Denice: And, um, uh, and so to go into that room with a smile. Now also my [00:11:00] phone, um, I had some music on it, right?

[00:11:02] Denice: And so I also know that aesthetics and art is very healing. Right. And um, so I went over to her and, and smiled. Now she spoke, uh, Haitian. Mm-hmm. Which has got some French in it. I studied a little bit of French in, in high school. And um, but really it was just a language of affinity. 

[00:11:19] Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:20] Denice: And I, um, and I played, I went in and I played some Beyonce Right.

[00:11:25] Denice: And I start to dance and this girl had some moves that she was able to do just laying in a bed, like a sheet. And this, you ever hear the show mash? Remember the TV show mash? 

[00:11:36] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:11:37] Denice: Oh God, you’re so young. 

[00:11:38] Brad: Sorry. 

[00:11:39] Denice: Mash guys come. Okay. My 

[00:11:40] Brad: parents watch 

[00:11:41] mash, 

[00:11:41] Denice: the TV show Ash. I know what that is. Yeah. So it’s, you know, like bomb shelter type hospital unit, right?

[00:11:46] Denice: Mm. Like it’s really, um. Just very, very sparse. Mm-hmm. And she’s in there and, and I’m just like, I’m just trying to raise her emotional tone level mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Up beyond death and [00:12:00] destruction. Right. Right. And so we’re, she starts dancing and she’s moving her shoulders and I come back later and I help feed her.

[00:12:08] Denice: And, um, and I start finding out things that, um, that, uh, are, I use something called the a RC Triangle. 

[00:12:14] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:14] Denice: Which I’m sure people have talked about who’ve come here. Mm-hmm. It stands for Affinity Reality and Communication. Mm-hmm. And when you can find, uh, something to communicate about and that the person has affinity with.

[00:12:26] Denice: Then the reality comes in. 

[00:12:28] Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:28] Denice: Basic math. So, um, so we start talking about singers and she start her, like you see energy comes into her face. Wow. Her eyes start to brighten. And then I go, the next day I get some other, um, physical therapists to come in and to work with her. And, um, and then, um, she winds up, out of all the people in there, these physical therapists were allowed to bring, they had two slots on their airplane that they could bring back to America.[00:13:00] 

[00:13:00] Denice: And I worked with this girl and with these physical therapists and used every tool that I knew in Scientology to bring beautiful attention to this girl. 

[00:13:09] Yeah. 

[00:13:10] Denice: That that girl was a, made it to and, and she shouldn’t have. There were so many other people. Um, she was able to get on a plane, come to America, and a year and a half later.

[00:13:20] Denice: I saw, they sent me a video of her running down a street in Long Island, New York, because she got prosthetic legs. Wow. Wow. And she was able to bring her little infant boy with her. And this was a girl who, she didn’t even have a tooth. Like she didn’t know how to brush her teeth. She was 18 years old and she was ra, she was already raised in a slum area.

[00:13:39] Denice: And then when the earthquake came, it was so devastating. Like that earthquake I really saw, you know, in the church we have a lot of organizing tools, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and there is a, um, there’s a, a, a great datum of when something is in a lot of confusion. Mm-hmm. You have to pick one particle, just start with one.

[00:13:59] Denice: And [00:14:00] I likened the disaster in Haiti to, if you are, if your desk had tons of paperwork on it. Right. Let’s say it had a whole year of tax receipts. 

[00:14:09] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:09] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then someone came in and poured 10 years of tax receipts all over your desk. What are you gonna do? You’re just gonna move to a different desk.

[00:14:18] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that’s what these Haitians had done because they were already living in, in an environment that was a little tough. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like cement, cinder block type dwellings. And then all of that got shook and demolished, you know what, I’m just gonna go live here on this piece of plastic. I got a sheet over my head.

[00:14:37] Denice: That’s good enough. You know, so. Wow. Right. Like to, to get at that mindset of, um, one thing at a time, let’s just take little baby steps mm-hmm. To get these people to, and I’ll tell you, there’s many, many things happen with that, right? You have a lot of people living in an environment where young girls are, are sleeping kind [00:15:00] of out in the open.

[00:15:00] Denice: Right? And you have young boys full of hormones, right? So you don’t have a lot of ethics and discipline. You have these human emotions and, and I found myself like. Really just seeing kind of the, the, the epitome of where our tools can help. Mm-hmm. And I really stayed in touch and I got to help with an, um, a, a shelter, an orphanage that got to be there mm-hmm.

[00:15:24] Denice: Where these kids were able to be put in an environment that was safe, that, uh, was productive. They, they had, they kept the whole backyard open for soccer. Awesome. Right. Like, just, just let the children do something, you know? Yeah. So that’s, you know, the volunteer minister’s slogan is something can be done.

[00:15:43] Denice: Mm-hmm. And, um, and that’s, that’s what we would do. You know, I would go in and, um, and just bring some joy. I would go from bed to bed to bed and um, and just deliver these assists, bring smiles to their faces, and, and then the doctors can come in and do [00:16:00] their work. Right. But you’re going to have such a better result when that person spiritually.

[00:16:06] Denice: Right. Is there and likes themselves and that energy flows through their body. 

[00:16:11] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:11] Denice: Right. And I think we all know, like, why is it that there are some diseases that doctors can’t figure out? Right. There’s always these things like, we don’t know what it is, we don’t know what it is. Mm-hmm. You know, and more and more people are realizing that, oh, the, the frame of mind, the state of mind that somebody is in.

[00:16:27] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is 60, 70% of healing. And I’ve seen that I’m 60 years old. Um, I just turned 60 a few months ago and I’m not on a single medication. 

[00:16:38] Aaron: Well done. 

[00:16:39] Denice: You know? Yeah. Like, I’m not on a thyroid medicine. I take vitamins, you know? Um, I don’t even do, like, there’s some really great, like oxygen. I don’t even do, I don’t even have to do that.

[00:16:49] Denice: I mean, I’d let, there’s so many expensive, really great procedures. Yeah. You know, cocoon water and magnets and all. I’d love to do ’em all. I sort of don’t have to. [00:17:00] Like literally, I was trying to think of like, let’s see what, well, my neck hurts a bit after being on the phone. Maybe I can, you know, like I’m trying to like, find some pain so I can take advantage of these expensive modalities, you know?

[00:17:13] Denice: Yeah. I mean, I do like to do red light mask on my face, you know? Mm-hmm. But I, I really, I don’t have any aches or pains. And that’s 100%. Um, it’s 100% from being a Scientologist. Right, right. And the irony is that. Scientology is, um, it’s, it’s an applied philosophy and it’s only called a religion because it deals with the spiritual nature of man.

[00:17:36] Denice: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It doesn’t address my bicep. Mm-hmm. You know, although it’s a pretty good bicep, you know, you should see, you should see my B don’t work out. I don’t, I don’t work out. You know 

[00:17:48] Brad: what? 

[00:17:48] Denice: No. I just, I just work. I work, I pick up my own boxes. I wash my own car. 

[00:17:54] Brad: Good job. 

[00:17:54] Denice: I know. I tell people, look, if you don’t like your body, if you don’t like your body and [00:18:00] you have a house made, um.

[00:18:02] Denice: Then you’ve gotta get a personal trainer. 

[00:18:04] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:05] Denice: That’s just like, if you don’t like the way you look, but you’ve got someone washing your car and cleaning your house, then you gotta add who’s working your body. Personal trainer. 

[00:18:12] Aaron: Oh, look at that. 

[00:18:13] Denice: What was that? 

[00:18:14] Aaron: I said Then who’s working? Your body? Someone’s working on your car, someone’s working on your house.

[00:18:17] Denice: That’s right. That’s right’s. Working on your body. Everything is being done for you. Then, then just like, then also hire someone to help you with your, you know, 

[00:18:23] Aaron: good idea. 

[00:18:24] Brad: That’s a good rule. 

[00:18:25] Denice: It is, it is. You know, there’s no reason why someone who’s got a, who, who can afford a few good luxuries Yeah. Then shouldn’t get someone to help them with their, the, the discipline of their body.

[00:18:35] Denice: And I’m very good with the discipline of my body. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. It came from maybe being raised by, oh, we could talk about, oh 

[00:18:41] Aaron: no, that’s, I wanna get there. So I just want, first I wanna say you look amazing. 

[00:18:45] Denice: Oh, thank you. 

[00:18:46] Aaron: Like, yeah. Six. That’s, 

[00:18:48] Denice: you’ve not seen crazy. That’s somebody crazy. You know, A little shot of Bo Botox in the forehead.

[00:18:54] Denice: Okay. That’s it. Every six months. That’s it. No facelift, no filler. 

[00:18:57] Aaron: Really? 

[00:18:57] Denice: Oh my god. No. But 

[00:18:59] Aaron: she uses her [00:19:00] cream. 

[00:19:00] Denice: No. And by the way, you can find her on TikTok. I do facial guha. I, I do not. Facial 

[00:19:05] guha. 

[00:19:06] Denice: Facial gua. 

[00:19:06] Aaron: So that’s really like, you do this one gu gua iss. Like a kind. Is that with the jade roller? Yeah.

[00:19:10] Aaron: Not a roller. I 

[00:19:11] Denice: love that. They know this. The 

[00:19:12] Aaron: gua is Chinese. My dad is a doctor of Chinese medicine, actually like official. So anyway, the gu sha is actually a Chinese tool. I didn’t know that. And it’s meant to like take out things in your muscles, right? Yeah. And so it’s becoming more and more popular, but ah, yeah.

[00:19:24] Aaron: Yes, it body. But I didn’t know like it’s body you’re doing in your face. 

[00:19:26] Denice: That’s 

[00:19:26] Aaron: crazy. 

[00:19:27] Denice: It’s body. I tell people, I’m like, I’m a huge Tom Brady fan. And Tom Brady would get his whole body gu um, fascia blasted. Yeah, gua fascia blast. It’s really doing the same thing, right? Yeah, yeah. The fascia blasters the tool.

[00:19:40] Denice: Yeah. That, that, um, that helps to, to soften that the, the, the tendon. So you’ve got your skin. Mm-hmm. You’ve got the muscle, but in between, you know, is where the dairy is very similar to like nervous. 

[00:19:49] Aaron: Yeah, that’s 

[00:19:49] Denice: right. I 

[00:19:50] Aaron: mean, honestly, like just saying it is, its 

[00:19:51] Denice: actually, 

[00:19:51] Aaron: if you look at the theory, you read nervous.

[00:19:53] Aaron: That’s 

[00:19:53] Denice: Yes. 

[00:19:53] Aaron: That we’ve already talked about. 

[00:19:54] Denice: That’s right. 

[00:19:55] Aaron: It it has a similar theory. Right. Take out the stuff that’s kind of stuck in there. 

[00:19:58] Denice: That’s exactly what I [00:20:00] tell, I tell my Scientologist friends whenever they’re like, what’s squash? I’m like, it’s a nervous cy for your face. You know? It makes total sense.

[00:20:06] Denice: It’s that movement, that pressure, it gets pathogens flowing and moving and the benefit of you doing something right. You being in communication with your body. So it’s just, it’s got multi benefits. 

[00:20:18] Aaron: Okay. So the secret of your youth, you’re saying you attribute into some degree to Scientology? 

[00:20:24] Denice: Well, kind of in all degree.

[00:20:25] Aaron: In all degrees. Okay. So explain to me now when, how, how did you get in Scientology in the first place and when? Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:33] Denice: Okay, so my mother, uh, I was born in Long Island, New York. In 1965 and um, it’s so great having a skincare company now too. Not just being an actress, ’cause actresses don’t like to say how old they are, but when you have a skincare company, it’s kind of a flex.

[00:20:48] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally is 

[00:20:50] Denice: saying. Right, right. A hundred percent. And, and it’s also, um, it’s very, it’s just, it feels so good to be honest and not try and hide and be sketchy, you know? Right. [00:21:00] That’s, that gives you the worst wrinkles in the world is a lie. A lie gives you wrinkles because a lie creates a ridge in energy in the world.

[00:21:07] Denice: Did you 

[00:21:08] Aaron: put that on your blog post on your website? You should do that. 

[00:21:10] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:21:10] Denice: Yeah. Lie like in your skin, in your face. Wrinkles. 

[00:21:13] Brad: Honestly, I feel like that should be like a side, like PR campaign of your company. 

[00:21:17] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:21:18] Brad: Is like wise great wrinkles. One, it would help a lot of people. Yes. Two, you’re completely correct.

[00:21:23] Brad: Completely little lies to any 

[00:21:24] Denice: little 

[00:21:25] Brad: lies. I could go on a whole thing about lies. 

[00:21:26] Denice: Yeah. Yeah. It, it, it’s, it’s you holding that untruth in. And I had listened to a, 

[00:21:31] Brad: a 

[00:21:32] Denice: lecture and 

[00:21:32] Brad: don’t look nobody, look, 

[00:21:33] Denice: I know a Hubbard lecture when I was 48 years old. Um, and it was delivered in 1952. Um, it was called the Philadelphia Doctorate.

[00:21:41] Denice: Uh, it, it was called the tapes. ’cause they were on cassettes at the time. And he went through that. Life is made up of three things, flows, ridges, and dispersals. 

[00:21:49] Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:50] Denice: Right. That’s what energy is. Flows, ridges and dispersals. Right. Money. It’s a flow. Right. It’s called currency. It’s like a current, it’s like energy.

[00:21:58] Denice: Um, a ridge is a, is [00:22:00] a, it’s a crease. It’s a piece of something stuck, right? Mm-hmm. And a dispersal is energy going in ways you don’t want. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. And we can find in ourselves that we operate either in a flow. With a ridge or with a dispersal. 

[00:22:15] Mm. 

[00:22:16] Denice: Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And, um, and I realized that, um, if I kind of lie about my age, you know, if someone says, oh, how old you about 45?

[00:22:24] Denice: And I go, yeah. I was like, oh, I wasn’t, I was 48, but that was a little bit of a dispersal, right? It was like, oh, I’m not gonna address it. Right? Mm-hmm. As opposed to the truth. 

[00:22:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:33] Denice: The truth is just a flow like, oh, that’s sweet. No, I’m 48. What was the big deal, right? It was the 

[00:22:38] Aaron: big deal. 

[00:22:39] Denice: But by not, but by just agreeing to I’m 45, that stays with me.

[00:22:44] Denice: Yeah. It doesn’t stay with the person. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. But it stays with me. And, and, and that lecture and the examples that Hubbard gave in that lecture really resonated of like, oh man. So when my 50th birthday came 10 years ago, I made the biggest deal about it on [00:23:00] Facebook. I did, it was called 50 Days to 50 I every day.

[00:23:04] Denice: I did a video, I did this whole countdown, and I did it because it was important for me to have the 20 year olds know that 50 should not be feared. 

[00:23:13] Mm. Love that. 

[00:23:14] Denice: Wow. And, and I’ve had women in their forties not wanna talk about their age. And they’re like, well, you know, um, it’s not me. It’s the industry.

[00:23:21] Denice: Right. The industry, the music industry, the entertainment industry. And I thought, how is the industry going to change their viewpoint? Unless. Women start showing what an, an example of what age can look like. 

[00:23:34] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:34] Denice: Right? And I tell people I’m 60 and I look 60 because I look like, how can I look anything but what I look like?

[00:23:41] Aaron: You look like a great 60, a great job, 

[00:23:44] Denice: whatever, you know? And it’s a bit of, it’s a bit of a mindfuck. Can I say? Um, it’s a, to to to say that, um, it’s very, it’s almost like very, um, high level Scientology to Yeah. Because you’re just being you. Mm-hmm. Right. 60 is this. And when we say, well, you don’t look [00:24:00] 60, well, what looks 60 and what are we basing that on?

[00:24:03] Denice: There’s so many different, it’s very 

[00:24:05] Aaron: unique. Okay. Hold that. I wanna say this ’cause I wanna take a little bit of a mathematical, uh, view here. Yeah. Okay. I, there is a statistic, and I always mess this one up and I should look at it a bit more, but something like. Four out of 10, um, grown Americans Yeah. Are on some sort of mind altering drug or medication.

[00:24:23] Denice: Oh yeah. 

[00:24:23] Aaron: Okay. It’s like a, it’s a very high percentage. 

[00:24:25] Denice: That’s right. 

[00:24:26] Aaron: Okay. Now, as you said, uh, maybe a lie can bring a wrinkle. Well, like a methamphetamine will definitely bring a wrinkle. I mean, like, like there, there are, there are some things that will definitely bring you some wrinkles and, and, and, and some bad eyes.

[00:24:38] Aaron: A why will bring a, thats we’ll 

[00:24:39] Brad: bring too. 

[00:24:40] Aaron: So, so what I wanna say is like, yeah, if you kind of look at the, the average, right? I always tell this to people when I’m, and I, and I, when I have this to people in a room, I’ll, I’ll do some speeches sometimes. And I, a lot of times I start like, who, like, remember when they were little and they told their mom, you know, mom, when I grow up, I want to be average.

[00:24:59] Aaron: And it’s [00:25:00] like, obviously nobody, like nobody, nobody, nobody does that. 

[00:25:03] No. 

[00:25:03] Aaron: But the truth is average is just. Comparing you to a lot of massive people. You go to some random place and you pick a hundred people, a thousand people, and you go like, look, there’s some that have less wrinkles, more wrinkles, more white hair, more whatever, more.

[00:25:17] Aaron: Yeah. But also the smile. 

[00:25:19] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:25:20] Aaron: Also the happiness. 

[00:25:21] Denice: That’s, that’s ‘

[00:25:21] Aaron: cause there is, there is a, an age factor where you kind of the stereotypical like grumpy old man. 

[00:25:29] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:25:29] Aaron: Right? Like when you’re old, like you should become grumpy. Yeah. Right. And so what happens is the, the, the age and, and the way you look when it’s, it’s a physical thing, but it’s an emotional thing and a spiritual thing.

[00:25:38] Aaron: Yeah. Because it’s, uh, it’s, um, wow. Uh, there was a song with Frank Sinatra. What is that song? 

[00:25:45] Denice: Oh God, I, I, I’m 

[00:25:47] Aaron: Italian. I, um, the heart something, I don’t know. I’ll have to figure out the song. Maybe I’ll forget it. But, uh. 

[00:25:53] Denice: Like Google that 

[00:25:54] Aaron: Sinatra’s song about being young. 

[00:25:56] Denice: Oh, oh, young at heart. 

[00:25:58] Aaron: Yes. Young at heart.

[00:25:59] Aaron: Okay. Okay. 

[00:25:59] Denice: Young. 

[00:25:59] Aaron: [00:26:00] So sorry. Okay. 

[00:26:00] Denice: At heart. 

[00:26:00] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That I know. Frank Sinatra, I, no, 

[00:26:03] Denice: he,

[00:26:06] Aaron: so the young at heart. 

[00:26:08] Denice: At heart, 

[00:26:08] Aaron: when do you, when’s Sinat something he heard, like Frank Sinatra when he sent, maybe he was already 60, or, I don’t know how 

[00:26:12] Denice: old he was. No, no, no. I think he was like, probably he was probably in his forties. 

[00:26:14] Aaron: In his forties. Okay. Fine. Well, obviously, 

[00:26:17] Denice: but back 

[00:26:18] Aaron: then, point is 

[00:26:18] Denice: too that the forties back now.

[00:26:19] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:26:19] Aaron: 40 back then is more like 60 now. Yeah, 60 now. 

[00:26:20] Yeah. 

[00:26:21] Aaron: That’s right. So it’s an idea though. It’s an idea that the age, yes. There’s a body age and then there’s a spiritual agreement with the deterioration and, and, and the dec decline. 

[00:26:36] Denice: That’s right. Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:37] Aaron: And so I think when the company of like, Hey, you don’t look 60, it’s like if you kind of just, let’s just go and pick, like roll a dice or, or, or pick some people on the street 

[00:26:47] Denice: Yeah.

[00:26:47] Aaron: And get 160 year olds. And I will tell you, Denise. 

[00:26:50] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:26:51] Aaron: They don’t all look like you. 

[00:26:52] Denice: Okay. All of that to get to that. Thank you. But 

[00:26:55] Aaron: that’s, that’s what I’m saying. I would say probably 

[00:26:56] Brad: zero. 

[00:26:57] Aaron: Yeah. So, so that’s what it means [00:27:00] because it’s com it’s, it’s not comparing to you, you’re 60 because your 60 looks 60.

[00:27:04] Denice: Right, right. 

[00:27:05] Aaron: But if you compare it to some other people, 60, oh, Brad wife, Brad’s wife, Ashley’s mom, yeah. Had this game where they would pick Okay. On the, on the rec, on the, on the arrest records of people who got busted for drugs. The 

[00:27:21] Brad: mugshots that came out that 

[00:27:22] Aaron: way. Some mugshots. Yeah. They would do a game of like guest the age and they’ll open up a mugshot.

[00:27:29] Aaron: We need to make this app. It’s still pending. And I’m be like, how old is they? Be like, you 

[00:27:32] Brad: need to make this into what, half 

[00:27:33] Aaron: 75? And it’s like, 18. 18. No. Like, like, like crazy. Yeah. And so that’s what people are when say, like, you, you look this ages because. You know, the, there is like the average and, and you know, if you’re taking some sort of substance that’s right, you’re not gonna seem, your body will have effects that, that bring you down and make you look worse mm-hmm.

[00:27:54] Aaron: Than how you kind of should be. And of course you can look your own a, you know, whatever you want, but like, okay. Good. There you go. That was it. [00:28:00] That was it. That was the end of my message. Um, yeah. 

[00:28:02] Denice: Yes, yes. The, 

[00:28:03] Brad: the calm is Denise looks great. 

[00:28:05] Denice: Oh gosh. Okay. 

[00:28:06] Brad: Period, 

[00:28:07] Denice: period periods. Um, the, um, the, definitely the lack of drugs, you know?

[00:28:13] Denice: Yes. And, and I will say had it not been s had I not been raised as a Scientologist? Yes. So can we go there? Can we do this? Yes. So my, so my mom when I’m, uh, four years old, she is now, uh, 21 and she’s a, um, long Island housewife. Married, you know, to my dad. 

[00:28:31] Brad: She, 17, she was 17. 

[00:28:33] Denice: Um, is 

[00:28:33] Brad: that right? 

[00:28:34] Denice: Yeah. No. So she was 22.

[00:28:35] Denice: She had my brother at 17. She, my brother at 17 and she had me at 1719. Okay. Right. So she wanted to get out of the house. She wanted to have her own life. She really, she wanted to be a nun. Um, she was looking for something spiritual, right? Be raised very Roman Catholic, lovely, beautiful aesthetics, right?

[00:28:57] Denice: And, and she was looking for something spiritual. And she wound up [00:29:00] to get out of the house. Back then you get married, you know, to the tall, dark, cool, handsome German guy, you know? 

[00:29:07] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:07] Denice: And, um, so, so now she’s living, you know, wait, a 

[00:29:10] Aaron: dark German 

[00:29:11] Brad: guy? 

[00:29:11] Denice: Yes. Yes. 

[00:29:12] Brad: Not, not dark skin. 

[00:29:13] Denice: No, no, no, no. Like. 

[00:29:15] Brad: Dark fe. 

[00:29:16] Denice: Dark Fe.

[00:29:16] Denice: Oh my God. Okay. 

[00:29:18] Aaron: I’m like, huh, okay, fine. Keep 

[00:29:20] Denice: the tall, dark and handsome. 

[00:29:21] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:29:22] Denice: And um, so, so she’s got, you know, her two story house in the suburbs of Beth Page, long Island. And, um, and her main job was to have the perfect bohan bouffant hairdo and her ice scotch waiting for my dad to come back from his boilermaker job.

[00:29:38] Denice: Mm-hmm. Boilermaker, he was a welder. And, um, and she had these two kids and she just was kind of spineless. She would cry a lot. Mm-hmm. And, um, and then one day her sister-in-law, my dad’s, uh, sister told her, Hey, you should come with me and take a communication course in Manhattan. And it was a Scientology course and the word communication to [00:30:00] her back in 1969.

[00:30:02] Denice: Was like, no one said the word communication. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:06] You know? Oh, yeah. 

[00:30:06] Denice: And, um, and so she went and it was, you know, an hour and a half subway drive back and forth from Long Island out to Manhattan. And after a month she had this confidence that she had never had her entire life. Wow. She went to this place where people listened to her.

[00:30:22] Denice: They, they looked at her like, what you guys are doing? Right. Like, who would’ve thought that this is a, is a commodity that’s not very common out in the world. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:31] Denice: But it really is like, like you guys are hearing me, you know, you’re not just in your own head waiting to the, to, to say something back, you know?

[00:30:38] Denice: Mm-hmm. I mean, maybe you are and that’s okay, you know, but you’re, you’re 90% listening to what I’m saying. Yeah. And, and that’s, that was very rare. And it was certainly very rare in her world and in her upbringing. Mm-hmm. And um, so she decided to just buy all of what was called the bridge. She wrote a check for her whole bridge, and the bridge [00:31:00] is composed of, you get services delivered to you.

[00:31:02] Denice: Right. You get counseling and you go and, and you work one-on-one and you get to find out stuff in your past and you get to, to handle that with certain questions that are asked. And then you also get to learn how to deliver that help to someone else. Mm-hmm. Right? And there’s a whole, a bunch of procedures, like, so she bought her whole thing and she came home and my dad put her against the wall, put his hand around her neck, and she said, go ahead.

[00:31:27] Denice: All you could do is kill me. Like it was the first time she stood up to my dad and it wasn’t a lot of money at all. Right. Um, but she was, she was just not allowed to do anything on her own. And, um, so 

[00:31:41] Brad: hold on, pause. She said, all you can do is kill me. That’s incredible. 

[00:31:45] Denice: Yeah. Because she realized 

[00:31:47] Aaron: had, was this, I’m assuming, was this not the first time I guess that 

[00:31:50] Denice: happened?

[00:31:51] Denice: You know what, I don’t know of any other physical, like he wasn’t, he wasn’t. He wasn’t physically abusive, he didn’t hurt her. Mm-hmm. Like, he wasn’t, like, he wasn’t pounding. He was a [00:32:00] psychologically not great, you know? Yeah. I mean, I do enjoy that. He was tall and thin and I got, you know, my mom’s family were very short, round Italians, you know?

[00:32:07] Denice: But like, I think I got my dad’s tall Italian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you to the dad on that side. We actually called him the sperm. That was sort of the nickname after they got, I know, after they got divorced. That’s what we refer, because he, he gave us some good genes. Michael, you know, my brother and I, that 

[00:32:22] Aaron: doesn’t sound a very spineless, that nickname.

[00:32:26] Denice: Oh, 

[00:32:26] Aaron: that’s fine. Give me, 

[00:32:27] Denice: but it does, it does not have a sperm. It’s very 

[00:32:31] Aaron: flagella. Yeah. 

[00:32:32] Denice: Oh, the. So, um, so she decides she wants to move to Los Angeles. She wants to, to be an artist. She, she wants away from, uh, she just wants to make her own story, right? So we sell our house and we move with my, uh, my aunt and uncle in two motor homes, and we head to Los Angeles and we go to what’s called the Celebrity Center, which is the, um, uh, a place where artists do Scientology [00:33:00] courses because Hubbard really felt that artists have a very special place in, in the world.

[00:33:05] Denice: Right? You know, you’ve got your politicians and, and they do what they do. And, and you’ve got your business people and your entrepreneurs, they do what they do. But, but artists have their own special place, right? So he created a place called Celebrity Center and um, and that’s where my mom went and she started doing courses.

[00:33:21] Denice: My dad started doing some of them, but my dad. He just couldn’t keep his out of other people, you know? Mm. Oh really? My, my dad was a little, he was a little bit of a swinger, so this is the early seventies. Mm-hmm. And he was a bit of a swinger and, um, and the church was just not a fan of that. I mean, they loved my dad and he was cool.

[00:33:39] Denice: And, you know, great pr funny guy, you know, he loved George Carlin. He used tall, he was like, you know, the funny jokes. Um, but he just, he just, uh, he did not, uh, he did not learn ethics in that way in a marriage. Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:55] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:55] Denice: You know, and it’s funny ’cause sometimes people would be like, oh, did Scientology break up [00:34:00] your, your parents’ marriage?

[00:34:01] Denice: And I’m like, yeah. Kind of. You know? And the fact that, uh, 

[00:34:04] Aaron: your mom wasn’t 

[00:34:05] Denice: cool being a swinger, she wasn’t cool being a swinger. 

[00:34:07] Brad: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:34:09] Denice: Right. That makes sense to you. 

[00:34:11] Brad: Well, it’s, yeah. I mean, it sounds like your dad’s decisions really. 

[00:34:17] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:34:17] Brad: Broke up your. 

[00:34:19] Denice: Totally. You 

[00:34:20] Brad: know? Totally. And yeah. And I mean, here’s the thing, like if, if a marriage is in agreement at the end of the day.

[00:34:25] Brad: Yeah. Right? 

[00:34:26] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:34:26] Brad: And so if the agreement is no longer agreeable 

[00:34:30] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:34:31] Brad: Due to someone like, say, becoming more ethical and they’re like, actually I’m not okay with that behavior. Yeah. Please stop. 

[00:34:38] Denice: That’s right. 

[00:34:38] Brad: And the person doesn’t stop. 

[00:34:39] Denice: That’s right. 

[00:34:40] Brad: There. Like, there’s only one way that that ends if they don’t stop.

[00:34:43] Brad: I it is just the reality of it. 

[00:34:45] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:34:45] Brad: You know? 

[00:34:46] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:34:47] Brad: That would, that would be my personal viewpoint on it. 

[00:34:49] Aaron: Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:34:49] Brad: You know, 

[00:34:50] Aaron: so I mean, there’s, there’s an interesting thing of like, man, this, this area is a, is a funny one. 

[00:34:58] Denice: Yeah. It’s as he exhales. 

[00:34:59] Aaron: [00:35:00] So there’s a lot of, I feel like this happens more to women, uh, than with men.

[00:35:06] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:35:06] Aaron: Probably. ’cause men are more prompt to be the, the, the aggressor. 

[00:35:10] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:35:11] Aaron: There’s a lot of women that are in relationships that might get like, uh, beat up physically, um, uh, get cheated on this, and they, they kind of just stay and like, continue that process. And I’ve talked to, to, to a couple. I know like, uh, in Venezuela, I look, I love Venezuela.

[00:35:33] Aaron: Venezuela’s a great place. I’m from there. Yeah. It’s a beautiful place. Um, there is a lot of, of cheating. Yeah. Generally in the culture. Mm-hmm. Okay. And I’ve spoken to some of my mom’s friends where, you know, she’s been in a relationship with the guy and, and, and she just, she just can’t leave. Like whether the guy beats her or whether he’s cheating or whatever.

[00:35:51] Aaron: And there, and so then you ask, would it be better of her to not be in that relationship or to be in that relationship? [00:36:00] 

[00:36:00] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:36:00] Aaron: And I guess that’s the first question, like mm-hmm. Should that relationship be broken up? I mean, listen, I’m not gonna say yes or no. ’cause I don’t know every single family, every single scenario, what happens otherwise.

[00:36:09] Aaron: And also the fact that. People want a game to play. They want to have a role in it. Yeah. And salvaging and trying the last thing and trying for 30 years to change one dude. Mm-hmm. That could be your life’s work. Yeah. And maybe in the end you achieve it, maybe you don’t. I don’t know. But I’m not the person to say, yeah, if that’s a good relationship or not.

[00:36:29] Denice: Right. 

[00:36:29] Aaron: But I could say like, if that person wants help to be out of there, then I think they deserve to have that help. And if they feel like being in there, then they can also be in there. Like, I, yeah, yeah. Yeah. What are you supposed to do with that? 

[00:36:40] Denice: Yeah. Well, I, I, I have, I have experience with both sides of those.

[00:36:45] Denice: Um, and the fact that my mom, uh, replaced the promiscuity habits of my dad. With, um, with Scientology tools made her endlessly happy. 

[00:36:56] Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:57] Denice: You know, because she was able to learn how [00:37:00] to, to put her own lamps in and she was able to learn how to, I mean, we, she worked for General Motors after that. Mm-hmm.

[00:37:06] Denice: Right. And we, wow. We called her, you know, she was Rosie the Riveter. She would, she worked two different jobs and then also did courses in Scientology. So she was constantly working to still provide a beautiful living. ’cause my dad did not do, he did child support for maybe the first six months. 

[00:37:23] Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:23] Denice: And then that was it.

[00:37:24] Denice: Oh. You know, and, um, so she had my brother and I, and, um, and we were, at this point we were like eight and 10. And, um, and he, uh, he wound up moving back to New York and she stayed in LA with my brother and I. 

[00:37:37] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:38] Denice: And it was just better for her to not have the, uh, his energy around. Mm-hmm. Because he put her down.

[00:37:46] Denice: Um, you know, she, um. Like, I remember she, uh, she had a, she had this boyfriend, and she didn’t tell me about this until like, I was deep into my twenties. And, um, you know, maybe I was like 28. And so she told me that, [00:38:00] um, you know, she had had this boyfriend and she said, she goes, NIE, Niecy, Niecy. 

[00:38:06] Brad: Um, I was 38 years old when I felt like it 

[00:38:09] Aaron: was the first time someone made love to 

[00:38:11] Denice: me.

[00:38:12] Aaron: Jesus. You know, 

[00:38:14] Denice: so it’s like with my dad and her, it was just, it was just sex. It was, it wasn’t, she, there wasn’t that love there, you know? And, um, and oh, um, because I have the most amazing relationship because of how she raised me. Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:38:30] Denice: So hearing that, it was like, oh, you know, but she learned, right?

[00:38:34] Denice: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. She, she did get it. Some people never get it right. You know, they never find that. And, um, uh, so. Going back. So now we’re, we’re eight and 10 and we’re living in Van Nuys, California. And she’s working a million jobs while doing her courses. And um, and I would sometimes go on the weekend and I would do a little communication course or a little course to learn about the a RC triangle.

[00:38:59] Denice: Um, one of those [00:39:00] courses when I was 12, um, there was a little practical that you do and, um, and near the church was an old age facility and I got to go. Um, and it was just talk to a, talk to an old person that you don’t know. And when you’re 12, that could be kind of scary, right? Yeah. And I’m in this old age facility and there are people like, ah, like it’s like a horror film, right?

[00:39:22] Denice: And I’m 12 and it’s smelly. It just smells like peepees. And, um, but. I went in as like, I was so excited because I was doing like a grownup course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because they didn’t have like kids courses back then. Yeah, right. This is the late seventies. And, um, so all the grownups had to do the same thing.

[00:39:40] Denice: Right. When you get to a certain point in the course, you have to go not specifically to an old age place, but just some place where you communicate with a stranger. 

[00:39:48] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:49] Denice: And so I was in the, and I’ll tell you it, it completely changed my viewpoint of like going into hospitals, seeing people who are ill, because it can be a bit of a, [00:40:00] it’s tough to confront mm-hmm.

[00:40:01] Denice: Someone sick in a hospital bed. 

[00:40:02] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:40:03] Denice: Right. And you could get a little prejudice of like, ugh, they’re not there. They don’t know. You know? And then when you’re forced to actually go, hi, my name’s Denise. How are you doing? Can I touch your arm? Oh my gosh, you’re so warm. Can I, you, you can warm me up. And then you see them smile, right?

[00:40:20] Denice: Mm-hmm. And then you’re like, I made ’em smile. Then, then all of a sudden, you, you own that relationship. Mm-hmm. Right? It becomes yours. And, and now they might as well be your grandpa, right? Mm-hmm. But you had to use the tools from that little communication course. You know? I mean, it was just all sort of laid out there to get past my own little fears.

[00:40:38] Denice: It wasn’t that I wasn’t nervous, I was nervous. I just did what I had to on the course, and at the end of it I was like, oh, yeah, it’s just, it’s someone’s grandpa. He’s not feeling too well, you know? Oh, he farted, it stinks, but who care? You know, like, 

[00:40:50] yeah. Yeah. 

[00:40:51] Denice: You, you really learn, um, to, to confront anything, right?

[00:40:56] Denice: And I think in many professions, obviously nurses have to go through [00:41:00] that, but what a, yeah, what a great gift for everybody, right? I was even, I was a waitress. That’s how I met my husband, right? Mm-hmm. I was such a great waitress because I had all these communication skills, right? You know, in Scientology you even learn that when someone is not well fed.

[00:41:16] Denice: It can affect them mo emotionally. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. And so as a waitress, you know, like, 

[00:41:22] lemme bring in the food right 

[00:41:23] Denice: now. That’s right. That’s right. Like you, at the very least, you have compassion for their asshole attitude. 

[00:41:29] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:41:30] Denice: At the very least. Right. And having compassion, man, that’s a game changer.

[00:41:35] Denice: Mm-hmm. Right. So here I am, this teenager knowing these tools about human nature and why people do what they do. And, and it’s like, oh, it’s this magic wand I have. It doesn’t mean that 

[00:41:47] Brad: I was gonna ask, did you feel like as a teenager it was a bit of a cheat code in life 

[00:41:51] Denice: to have that 1000%? 

[00:41:53] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:41:53] Denice: Yeah. I mean, I will say I have pretended I was smoking pot.

[00:41:58] Denice: I’ve pretended I was, was [00:42:00] high on cocaine. I’ve pretended I drank a half a glass of wine when I spilt it in the, the plant. I did not, I’ve never done any of those drugs. I had to pretend so that the group of teenagers and college kids that I was around wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable being around me. 

[00:42:19] Mm.

[00:42:20] Denice: Like, how weird is that now as a grownup? And when I got into my thirties, I didn’t have to do that, right? Mm-hmm. And I could speak and I could be like, no, no, no, that’s fine. You know, I don’t even like to say That’s fine for you because I think saying that is a little bit that’s fine for you, you know?

[00:42:34] Denice: Yeah. I don’t like to say that 

[00:42:35] Aaron: a little haughty. 

[00:42:36] Denice: It is. It’s a little haughty. Yeah. You know? Um, but I just, uh, 

[00:42:40] Aaron: so have, but you said, so you’ve never had a wine? 

[00:42:42] Denice: Um, I’ve, I’ve had some wine. Okay. Okay. But maybe once a year. Literally one glass of wine a year. Okay. And it’s usually peer pressure. 

[00:42:50] Brad: Is it at least expensive wine?

[00:42:52] Denice: I don’t know if he did it. I, all I know is after I drink it, I’m like, okay. Like literally one glass of wine. Yeah. You [00:43:00] know? And, and that was my thing too, when I was, uh, 18, 19, I was a makeup artist. I had a job as a makeup artist, and I remembered women would sit down in my chair and they’d be like, Ugh, I can’t be myself until I’ve had my, my coffee and my cigarette.

[00:43:12] Denice: And I always thought, oh, I don’t wanna have to be like that. I drink coffee now. But I didn’t drink coffee until I was in my late thirties, and I’ve never smoked cigarettes. And just as a Scientologist, I learned that so many mis emotions that somebody is feeling can be handled from something that you can fix and not something that you have to take or drink.

[00:43:32] Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:33] Denice: Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And my mom really? Mm-hmm. She was an example of that, you know? Um, and again, it’s, it weren’t, it’s not that if I had a fever, I didn’t take. Baby aspirin or whatever you take for a fever, you know? Yeah. Um, you know, an antibiotic if you get like strep, right? Like that’s 

[00:43:49] Aaron: you’re saying that you, you would take these things.

[00:43:50] Denice: Yes, yes. Totally. Yeah. Um, but so very little and, and it was really so much about, um, what are, what’s going on in your life, what kind of stress is [00:44:00] happening? That, that, that cold has come upon you, right? Mm-hmm. Um, there’s even things in Scientology, I would, and 

[00:44:07] Brad: who in your life and 

[00:44:08] Denice: who in your life, um, if you, um, accidents and illnesses.

[00:44:13] Denice: Um, I did a course where I learned how much having, um, accidents in life and illnesses are also caused by things that you’re doing that maybe aren’t super ethical and people that you’re around that you are, um, letting affect you. Mm-hmm. It’s not that you’re gonna go around changing everybody and you go to jail and you go to jail and you’re good.

[00:44:34] Denice: My life is good. They’re all gone. Right. That’s not gonna happen. Yeah. You have to learn how to not let that noise affect you. Mm-hmm. And yes. Then you get to a point where you can start to help that those people too. But you gotta get that oxygen mask on first and those tools. I got at such an early age, and, um, like I remember I, I came home one day from school and I was 14, and, um, and I just, I crashed on my bicycle and [00:45:00] my leg was all bloody, and I came home and I’d have to bring my bike in.

[00:45:03] Denice: And my mom’s like, well, and I’m like, mom, it’s okay. I already know. I already know what I did to pull it in, mom. I know, I know. I started to cheat on the exam, like literally, 

[00:45:14] wow. 

[00:45:14] Denice: I know what I did. And, and, and I’m gonna go and I’m gonna apologize for my friend because like, you know, she, she wanted to cheat on my exam, but then I kind of outed her to the teacher.

[00:45:22] Denice: But then like, but I did it in a mean way, and then I felt bad about it when I was driving and then I crashed. 

[00:45:26] Wow. 

[00:45:27] Denice: Right? Mm-hmm. So, you know, accidents can happen, but how great is it? That you are in control of that. Yeah. 

[00:45:36] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:37] Denice: Right. Like imagine if you couldn’t control any of that. And it’s also why, um, it’s also why auditing works and auditing is the counseling.

[00:45:46] Denice: Yeah. And you go with, with a trained person and you hold these, um, cans, which is connected to a machine called an E-meter, which has like about the electricity of a watch battery. Mm-hmm. It’s nothing, it’s like a lie detector [00:46:00] test. Um, but it, it, it reads your energy. Right. And I remembered, um, when I was, uh, 17, I backpacked through Europe and I went to Italy and I went to the Vatican and I was so excited to, um, do a confessional.

[00:46:15] Denice: I’d never done that before. Right. Oh wow. And it’s just such a beautiful tradition, you know? Mm-hmm. And, um. And I went in and I, I said something, you know, whatever I said to the priest, and then I got out and I, and then I thought, oh my God. I, I didn’t tell him everything and I felt like, oh gosh, I got away with something.

[00:46:33] Denice: Right? Oh. And, and as a Scientologist, when I’ve done auditing, I’ve had to get off all the details of something. Mm-hmm. And when you get off all the details, what happens is you get a reaction on the needle, where it’s called a floating needle. Mm-hmm. Because you’ve gotten it all off. And when you don’t communicate everything, your energy is like that, right?

[00:46:55] Denice: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:55] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:56] Denice: And, um, and 

[00:46:57] Brad: grabbing a, you’re you’re holding it in. 

[00:46:59] Denice: You’re [00:47:00] holding it in. Yeah. And again, it’s that lie. It’s that wrinkle, it’s that ridge. So, um, I don’t know how I got on that. 

[00:47:07] Aaron: Well, I just want to, 

[00:47:09] it’s 

[00:47:09] Brad: okay. That’s amazing. 

[00:47:10] Aaron: It’s a great, so I, I’m very, it’s very cool about this Vatican. That was a very cool, very cool, uh, story I wanna mention on like the e-meter.

[00:47:17] Aaron: Um. It’s what’s incredible is how it’s all designed for you. Mm-hmm. Right? Like 

[00:47:25] Denice: that’s, yes. 

[00:47:26] Aaron: So 

[00:47:27] Denice: that’s what I was gonna say. Wait, no, I want, I love your voice and I wanna hear you talk, um, that you can go into that auditing. Um, you go, you go in and, and you have that counseling, and you are able to address your own garbage, your own baggage.

[00:47:42] Denice: And when you leave and you go back to your husband, you go back to your mother-in-law, all of a sudden they don’t bother you. Like, it’s like they got handled. Mm-hmm. To a degree, right? Mm-hmm. And it’s, that is the crazy magic. And it makes sense because you’re not always gonna bring [00:48:00] all your in-laws into the room with you.

[00:48:01] Denice: You’re not gonna bring all of your coworkers into the room. But it’s proof that. You actually can be responsible for what happens in your life and what happens to you. And that’s why as a kid growing up, when I would have these accidents or illnesses, it wasn’t always like, well, he was sick and sneezed on me.

[00:48:18] Denice: Mm-hmm. All right. So maybe that contributed to some of it, but how come there’s times you’ve been sneezed on a explode and you didn’t get sick? Nothing happened. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm. Right. Why is it that you’ve driven through that driveway and went up and took a wheelie and you were fine? What was it about the time that it wasn’t?

[00:48:34] Denice: And it’s just so great to look at because you can map that out and you can predict it. 

[00:48:40] Brad: Yeah. And, and I wanna say something before, before you No, no. You go, you go, you go, you go. I, I wanna say like, uh, if, if the idea that you know, what you, what you do, like this may sound potentially unreal to some people who are listening.

[00:48:53] Brad: Right? Okay. Yeah. Because there’s no, no, no. Not in a bad, I know. No, it’s not. It’s not because it’s not real. I’m saying because there’s a lot [00:49:00] of propaganda in the world saying, Hey. You’re not responsible for anything. Oh, yeah. Everything bad in your life, someone else did to you. 

[00:49:07] Denice: I know. Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:08] Brad: And I will sell you this pill to make you feel better.

[00:49:09] Brad: It’s a like, you know, there’s always something at the end of it. It’s 

[00:49:11] Denice: true. 

[00:49:12] Brad: But if, if you could just consider for a second the po the potential possibility, just as a mind experiment, preach to think, Hey, what if it was actually something that you did that made you crash your bike? What if it’s something that you did that made you get sick 

[00:49:28] Denice: or maybe that you didn’t do?

[00:49:29] Denice: Right. 

[00:49:30] Brad: Also, 

[00:49:30] Aaron: more importantly. Also more importantly. That’s right. That’s actually the majority. 

[00:49:35] Brad: That’s, 

[00:49:35] Aaron: that is the majority. And people miss that. People miss that. Including, I mean, including some of our own members. 

[00:49:41] Denice: Yes. Yes. 

[00:49:42] Aaron: Okay. But I, I would say my like, man, 

[00:49:44] Denice: we’re 

[00:49:44] Aaron: constantly 

[00:49:44] Denice: having to learn, relearn that 

[00:49:47] Aaron: what you don’t do.

[00:49:49] Aaron: Is don’t do nothing. Don’t do nothing. Don’t do nothing. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh, sh wow. 

[00:49:55] Brad: Good job. 

[00:49:56] Aaron: Good job. 

[00:49:57] She’s 

[00:49:57] Aaron: tired. So, man, I, I, I [00:50:00] have to say that is the biggest thing that people don’t see and, and, and people miss it so much. 

[00:50:07] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:50:07] Aaron: Right. It’s like, it’s so easy to blame. I, I do think, Brad, what you started on this whole, like this monologue over here mm-hmm.

[00:50:15] Aaron: That was brilliant because what if it was you? What if you actually had the power to change yourself? Mm-hmm. Your family, your spouse, your children, your company. Mm-hmm. What if the reason you’re not, 

[00:50:29] Brad: or your lack of company 

[00:50:30] Aaron: what, or your lack of company, what if the reason that, you know, your sales aren’t better this year than last year is not the economy.

[00:50:39] Aaron: The tariffs or the last government or your next door competitor neighbor, or the fact that, uh, I don’t know, you have some disorder that came out of a book that was voted on. Like, like what if it, what if it wasn’t these things, you know? And what if you could do something about it? And if that were true, would it not be helpful to take a moment and look [00:51:00] and analyze and take a second to see what occurred in an auditing session?

[00:51:08] Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:10] Denice: Well, the end, I, I have a, I have a quote from Yeah. Elron Hubbard on my desk, and I, um, and it is, it’s one of my favorite ones. And it’s all the happiness you ever need lies in you. 

[00:51:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:23] Denice: So true. 

[00:51:24] Aaron: I’ll put a quote, I’ll put a, I’ll put a link to that below. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That is in, uh, lover, lover. Gr is greatness.

[00:51:30] Aaron: No, no, no. Is it possible to be happy and you can actually listen to that? Yes. It’s in New Something Life, but it’s, it’s, is it possible to be happy and that I, I listened to this in Sunday Service three, uh, like about a few weeks ago. Do you know how that lecture was given, by the way, you know, you could listen to LH saying that himself.

[00:51:47] Denice: Oh my gosh. I wanna hear 

[00:51:49] Aaron: that. Is it possible to He happy He’s on Scientology tv. The link will be below. Okay. Okay. You can listen to him. It’s in his own voice. It was a radio, it was a No no. It’s a different thing. It’s, I’ll hop up the link there. 

[00:51:57] Denice: He was such an OG guys, by the way. The [00:52:00] OG of Self-Help 

[00:52:01] Aaron: this guy.

[00:52:03] Aaron: Did that on a radio talk show. And I will tell you this, I heard from Tracy who’s delivering Sunday services recently, um, at Flag. Mm-hmm. And there was a time in a newspaper, and this is all again, I heard this outta Sunday service. I can’t show you a link, but you can ask Tracy if you really want to, you know, find out this.

[00:52:21] Aaron: But our Harper was in, I wanna say Arizona, I think it was, this 

[00:52:27] Brad: sounds right. 

[00:52:28] Aaron: Okay. It was in Arizona and there was the fifties or the sixties, right. Around 1950s. Some or sixties. Yeah. And there was an article that came out in the newspaper and it was an ad. Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:38] Denice: And 

[00:52:38] Aaron: it said, for anyone who can produce and prove a miracle, we will give you $5,000.

[00:52:46] Aaron: And it was by some church group, some church who had basically said that no one can produce miracles except them. 

[00:52:52] Denice: Okay. 

[00:52:52] Aaron: They’re the only miracles. And, and if miracles do not exist otherwise. And, and what happened is, uh, uh. [00:53:00] Arun Hubbard had, um, a friend of his an, an auditor Right. Who had maybe had trained or was one of the churches, and he went and he cured Someone’s like something, I forgot what the cure was.

[00:53:11] Aaron: Yeah. And again, uh, okay, we’re gonna be in YouTube and don’t wanna be censored, but some physical impairment. That was an issue. And I won’t describe it exactly, but whatever. It was good. And this auditor went and helped this person for like three or four hours. And it was fully cured. It was gone. It was like repaired.

[00:53:27] Aaron: And so then he put the, the evidence of it, put it together and sent it over to the church. 

[00:53:31] Denice: Yeah. 

[00:53:32] Aaron: And said, gimme my $5,000. The church wrote back and said, that is not a miracle. Something like that. 

[00:53:39] Denice: Sure. 

[00:53:39] Aaron: And so, Arun Hubbard, um, he basically, from what I heard, was like, well, we should go and let’s do something about it.

[00:53:49] Aaron: Let’s go. And the, there was a whole like kind of a, an uproar in the community about this miracle. No miracles. You can do miracles and, and is it possible to be happy? Was his public [00:54:00] response of miracles do exist. 

[00:54:03] Denice: No. 

[00:54:03] Aaron: And they happen all the time. Every day. They’re possible. They happen. And please take a second, go to that link.

[00:54:12] Aaron: Listen to this talk on that timeframe. He’s showing people and telling people it is possible to produce a miracle. They happen all the time. 

[00:54:19] Denice: Yes. 

[00:54:20] Aaron: And believe again, oh, believe in change and believe in miracles. And that is the framework of this radio show that he gave at that time. Wow. 

[00:54:29] Denice: So beautiful. I mean, we should end this podcast right there, but I have more to talk about.

[00:54:34] Denice: But that’s gor and that’s, you know, when you said like that miracles can happen and they happen every day. Yes. You know, as, as someone who’s been raised in Scientology, I take it for granted. Right. I, I don’t, um, you know, yes, I did get to see an unhappy mother, father situation. I wasn’t raised with a dad at the dinner table and how you doing, daughter?

[00:54:57] Denice: And, um, I was raised in a very different kind of [00:55:00] broken home. I was raised in a broken home and, um, and next month I will be happily married for 38 fricking years. 

[00:55:09] Brad: Wow. Amazing. 

[00:55:09] Denice: 38. Which ironically, I always like to say, you know, well it’s more like 25 years because I think the number 25 is super cool and I’m like 38.

[00:55:18] Denice: It’s kind of boring. Like in two years it’ll be 40, like 38 doesn’t seem like to me when I had my 25th wedding anniversary. Yeah. Like, that seemed like 25 years. Now it’s just 38, um, 

[00:55:30] Brad: 30 eight’s a long freaking time. It’s 

[00:55:31] Denice: a long time. 

[00:55:32] Brad: I’m 32 years old. 

[00:55:34] Denice: Oh my God. 

[00:55:34] Brad: So that’s 30 eight’s a long time. 

[00:55:36] Aaron: Every time I hear it, I’m like, does he got a baby?

[00:55:38] Aaron: I 

[00:55:38] Brad: always forget. Okay, so he’s 

[00:55:39] Denice: a baby. Um, it’s the beard, you know, his confidence. Yeah. Disguise is it. Thank you. And he’s a good golfer too, right? 

[00:55:44] Brad: No, I’m terrible. 

[00:55:45] Denice: Okay. All right. But isn’t all 

[00:55:46] Brad: golfer I didn’t say that on the, the podcast with, with 

[00:55:49] Denice: Kurt. No, I didn’t catch that. 

[00:55:50] Brad: I not didn’t bring it up. 

[00:55:51] Denice: Okay.

[00:55:51] Brad: But now that you expose me, no, 

[00:55:53] Aaron: he have to have to take away his wrinkle. I’m just kidding. I’m 

[00:55:56] Denice: kidding. Um, yeah, so I came, you know, and [00:56:00] it, it’s a, it’s something that I, I really, when I talk to, I’ll do seminars right? Sometimes at like volunteer that the church will do, you know, like marriage type seminars.

[00:56:10] Denice: And my husband and I, we love to talk about that because, um, you know, I came from a broken home to a degree and, um, but I didn’t have to inherit that, you know? And that’s such a great philosophy. Wow. That’s beautiful philosophy in Scientology. Mm-hmm. Right? That you don’t have to inherit, you know, my dad loved his cocktails, right?

[00:56:28] Denice: My mom had to have the bouffant and the cocktail, and I don’t drink at all. Like she didn’t. She didn’t drink around us and it wasn’t ever promoted as something fun to do or something elegant or romantic. You know, she smoked cigarettes. That was it. And I never, I hated the smell, so I’ve never smoked cigarettes.

[00:56:46] Denice: Um, I never felt I needed something to be cool. Um, the only thing I did do in high school was I would wear thermal underwear to try and make my butt look bigger. Um, ’cause I was very skinny. I’ve, I was, I’ve [00:57:00] always been very skinny. But 

[00:57:00] Aaron: how does thermal underwear, like, I don’t, I don’t get it. 

[00:57:02] Denice: You know what I was like ahead of my time.

[00:57:05] Denice: Um, I, now they make the butt. I just wanted to look less skinny. So silly. Um. And, uh, but you know, but I realized, and I used to pretend to like be stoned because all the stoner boys were so cute and I didn’t smoke. It happens 

[00:57:20] Aaron: the other way around, dude. Yeah. I didn’t know this. Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:23] Denice: Oh yeah. The stoner boys are cute.

[00:57:26] Denice: But I was afraid of being stoned. I wasn’t gonna do that. Um, and, and to, to, you know, open up more, my brother got into marijuana. 

[00:57:36] Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:36] Denice: And, um, my brother got into marijuana when he was like 13 and he would hide his little bongs under the bed. And I remembered seeing them and I’m like, what are those, Steven?

[00:57:44] Denice: Oh, I’m just holding ’em from my friend, his friend Rob Fish. She had a friend named Rob Fish. Names you never forget. And, um. Uh, and so as he, you know, and my brother would get like D’s and I would get, A’s he would be happy if he got a CI would cry if [00:58:00] I got a b plus. So we were very different. And, um, and he was super creative.

[00:58:05] Denice: He used to make, uh, super eight films and, um, and he would do like bionic man films and he would make his own little dynamite and, and blood packs and, and put blood pack in a little Ziploc in their mouth. Wow. And then make little dynamite and put it on a rubber pack and then tape it to the inside of the shirt.

[00:58:20] Denice: And then you put a white t-shirt on. Of course, every victim had to wear a white T-shirt, so when he would detonate it from the wire, it would explode. And then the person would bite the, bite the, the blood pack in the mouth and it would squirt. And he did these great sniper movies and everyone in the apartment wanted to be in Steven’s, uh, sniper films.

[00:58:37] Denice: He was like 15, 16. Wow. And around six 16. Oh yeah. He was so creative. Then 

[00:58:44] Aaron: only if only YouTube was around at that time, this 

[00:58:46] Denice: guy would’ve been, 

[00:58:46] Aaron: I mean, you know, 

[00:58:47] Denice: totally. Sorry, 

[00:58:48] Aaron: keep 

[00:58:48] Denice: going. No, no. Do the 

[00:58:49] Brad: kids of today have more opportunity than yesterday? 

[00:58:51] Denice: Yeah. And he would take, he took, um, um, when he was 14, one of the scenes he did the Bionic Man because that movie had come out or that TV show.

[00:58:57] Denice: And he took the um, and uh, [00:59:00] fm a m radio. When you opened it up, you see all the, the motherboard. Yeah. And he split his jeans and put it inside. And then he filmed him jumping into a dumpster. Right. ’cause you can always put boxes. And so he had his buddy film him going in and then he reversed the negative.

[00:59:14] Denice: So he jumps out. So it looks like he’s jumping onto the roof. And then, then he has someone film his pant leg as though he ripped. And you’re seeing the electronics. Yeah. And he put a sparkler that you save. ’cause I don’t know, kids always had sparklers and firecrackers all year round in Los Angeles. And that sparkler is going.

[00:59:34] Denice: And anyway, he was super genius, but the drugs just started to make him more. Resentful of the Hollywood scene, he’d be like, oh, you know, like they’re too cool. And they’re like, he and I wanted to be an actress, right? Mm-hmm. And I would do little commercial auditions and, and he would just sort of make fun of all that.

[00:59:52] Denice: And it was an, an interesting thing because then as I got older and I did more Scientology training, one of the things is how people can minimize and [01:00:00] nullify 

[01:00:00] mm-hmm. 

[01:00:00] Denice: Something. And you have to do that to survive. It’s not an up, it’s very low on the survival scale. 

[01:00:07] Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:07] Denice: But it’s what you do, you nullify and make less of something, you know, and, and that, that none of that has changed.

[01:00:16] Denice: There was no social media then. Um, and Hubbard knew. That mechanism of the human mind. And you see it right and left on TikTok, on, on social media, people, you know, people have platforms and all they do is nullify. Mm-hmm. Other people. Mm-hmm. And so when people say, oh, social media is bad, it’s not the social media, it’s, you’re just seeing the reactive mind and you’re seeing it in mass out there.

[01:00:41] Denice: Right. There’s a light shined on it, but, but people aren’t any different. They’re just as great. But the reactive mind is just as, as, as it’s always been, you know? True. And, um, and so I saw my brother through the drugs start to go lower and lower with his own self-confidence. [01:01:00] And then my mother and he, like, he, he didn’t reach to do courses anymore.

[01:01:04] Denice: Right. And he just kept getting lower. And so he went to live with my dad. And so it was just me and my mom. And, um, and, and unfortunately my dad just couldn’t wrangle that. And, um, and, and he’s not with us anymore, you know. Oh, wow. And he didn’t have any kids. He didn’t have a, a girlfriend, but at 40 he, you know, just, he just went.

[01:01:26] Denice: So, like I never did marijuana even because I saw him, it passed and I saw the group of friends. I saw that. The grades, the, you know, and whatever. I mean, it’s, it is what it is for some people, but I just know my journey. And 

[01:01:42] Aaron: let’s just pick like marijuana or Scientology. Just pick, pick one. Just go one or the other.

[01:01:46] Aaron: You know what I mean? Just go like, you can either have this at 60 or you, you know, i’s like just, that’s your choice. Okay. Just don’t, 

[01:01:55] Denice: like, I’m a lot of fun. That was all that I wanted to say is I don’t have to do [01:02:00] that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know. Like, let’s go. Yeah. Like I’ll dance on the table. 

[01:02:04] Brad: Separating drugs and fun.

[01:02:06] Denice: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Drugs and alcohol doesn’t mean you’re not fun. Yeah. And I’m super fun, you know, I’ll, I’ll actually stay awake the whole night. You know, I used to drive everybody home. Like in high school when the dudes would play quarters, I was the one that was the designated driver. I remembered all the good jokes.

[01:02:24] Denice: I mean, uh, to me being clean was so much more fun. You know, I woke up ready to, you know, I just maximized my time in life. Wow. Because I never had these hangover moments. Yeah. You know, and, and the one or two times I did have a boyfriend, um, look, I’m just, I’m just giving you my dirt, but I’ve given my dirt, but just not on tape.

[01:02:45] Denice: Um, I had a boyfriend when I was 17 because I’d never gotten drunk. And he is like, I want you, you’ve gotta, you’ve just gotta experience this, right? So we did quarters, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, oh, God. And I, oh, like, that’s a great picture. [01:03:00] Um, so, so I’m totally like, not in control, right? Yeah. Whatever it was.

[01:03:05] Denice: Scotch or something. We go down into like his little basement bedroom area and we’re watching Mad Max, right? With Mel Gibson. And then his friend comes over and I am so drunk and my boyfriend starts to kiss me. Then the other boy starts to kiss me, and now there’s this whole sort of trio kissing going on.

[01:03:24] Denice: And then I just went and I just started crying and then they just stopped. And I was like, I’m sorry, I just, I this, this booze. And they’re like, it’s okay. We’re sorry. And then we just continued watching. The movie, but I realized at that time, I’m like, oh, booze isn’t good for me. Yeah, yeah. I don’t need it.

[01:03:40] Denice: You know, like, it, it, it changed me. Yes. I’m a loving, touchy, feely person. 

[01:03:46] Aaron: No, but if that would’ve happened in 2025, 

[01:03:49] Denice: well 

[01:03:50] Aaron: that would’ve been a different story. Right? Oh, I’m just saying that the, the moral codes of two dudes, they could have chosen not to [01:04:00] stop. Right. When you get two dudes in you. 

[01:04:02] Denice: That’s right.

[01:04:02] Aaron: I’m saying That’s right. And like, and I, and I’ve, there’s stories of people that you, you know, that it’s happened to. 

[01:04:08] Denice: Yeah. It can get violent 

[01:04:09] Aaron: and, and I’m saying, I’m just saying back like nine, what is that, 19, what was that? 

[01:04:12] Denice: Eight 80? Uh, that was 84. 1980. 

[01:04:15] Aaron: 1984. People had more morals than, I don’t know why I just, that is the case.

[01:04:19] Denice: ’cause you weren’t looking at so much other stimulation. 

[01:04:22] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, 

[01:04:22] Denice: yeah. You know, like you could go the entire day and never see a woman’s cleavage. Now you’re, you’ve seen seven asses by the time. Mm-hmm. You know, you, you’ve checked the, the morning email, you know, 

[01:04:33] Brad: before you even had coffee in the morning.

[01:04:34] Brad: That’s 

[01:04:34] Denice: right. You know, who’s booty shot. Like, you’re just, there’s just a lot of electrification. Yeah. Yeah. On that, um, that, that relationship world. Like what? There’s very few people saying, um, you deserve to be a great wife and be loyal and awesome to your husband. Mm-hmm. You deserve to look hot for your husband.

[01:04:55] Yeah. 

[01:04:56] Denice: What they’re saying is, you deserve attention. You deserve a little [01:05:00] fling. Right. There was that whole something Madison or there, you know, there’s this. There was a whole like, website thing, and it was like about having affairs because you, you deserve 

[01:05:10] Aaron: it in la I remember there was a big billboard that said like, yeah, I didn’t wanna say it, but it’s like about having affairs.

[01:05:15] Aaron: They’re like 

[01:05:15] Denice: having affair. That’s right. And you know, there, there’s, uh, TVs, movies, anything that you, they’re going to glorify more about having that affair, having that extra marital is your man not giving you what you need. Well try this as opposed to, is your my aunt not giving you what you need? Well, let me help you to like, make him feel better about himself.

[01:05:35] Denice: Mm-hmm. And then maybe like, let’s improve that. Yep. You know, and that’s so much my life. And, and I will say that I, um, uh, oh my God, I never even, the whole, my whole story is how I, um, uh, so I met my husband when I was 20 and I was a waitress at, in, in, um, in Sherman Oaks, California fifties diner. And he would come in and he had his long hair and he was a rocker dude.[01:06:00] 

[01:06:00] Denice: And, um, I, uh. I was actually living with another guy that I didn’t love. It was just sort of like to get out of the house a little bit like my mom. And, um, but this guy would come in and he was just so nice and he’d come in with his friend and um, uh, and I was just very, I was very attracted to him. The other guy was a little more of like a roommate situation, right.

[01:06:22] Denice: And we would, uh, um, and then one day he, um, the, the, the other boy had gone out of town. Um, but I went on a date with Michael and um, ’cause the other guy was, like I said, was more of a friend. And, um, and I, I just, uh, it was at his house. He had no furniture. Um, one guitar, one keyboard, and a giant blowup Gumby.

[01:06:47] Denice: And I still liked him. The, 

[01:06:49] Aaron: the blow, the blow of gummy Was his better a couch or what was that? 

[01:06:51] Denice: It was just a piece of decor. 

[01:06:53] Aaron: Oh, decor. Okay. Okay. 

[01:06:54] Denice: Yeah. It was like a seven foot blow of Gumby. My 

[01:06:56] Brad: God, that’s 

[01:06:57] Denice: so 

[01:06:57] Brad: funny. 

[01:06:58] Denice: And he had a fish tank [01:07:00] and instead of fish, he had paper fish that were cut out hanging from threads.

[01:07:04] Denice: Right. So I’m like, okay. He’s got a sense of humor. I, that is, I love his sense of humor. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That is like the biggest crime in life is to not have a sense of humor. Mm-hmm. If you don’t make me laugh. True. And so, um, I, uh, I, we start to look through his yearbook, right? I’m 20 at the time. He’s 22.

[01:07:21] Denice: He had just moved out here from Boston area. It’s, um, the Patriots are back in the Super Bowl and they’re playing this weekend. Let’s just hope that I don’t look like an idiot when people are looking at this video. Um, 

[01:07:34] Brad: we’ll see. 

[01:07:34] Denice: Okay. So, um. So I’m looking at his yearbook and um, and I’m seeing what people are writing and they’re like, thank you so much for helping me with my math test.

[01:07:44] Denice: Oh my God, you were the greatest soccer player. Um, hey, you were one wild and funny dude. And I’m like, this guy’s funny. He’s smart, and he, he’s athletic and it was so cool. Like, again, as a Scientologist, these are all clues. Mm-hmm. These are ways you, you can, [01:08:00] um, 

[01:08:00] Brad: yeah. 

[01:08:00] Denice: You can look at what, what somebody’s life is like.

[01:08:04] Denice: You know what, what is, and, and I’m, and I’m looking and I’m reading this and I’m like, oh, okay. This, I’m, I’m getting a deeper, uh, insight into who this dude is, who I just knew, you know, that he liked Imani Cristo and a black and white shake. And so, um, uh, so he’s got his guitar and I’m like, could you play me a song?

[01:08:23] Denice: And he starts to sing Starry Starry Night. Um, and, uh, and he’s, uh, and I’m sitting on the ground. ’cause again, there’s no furniture. He had, he had one director’s chair with the arms down. So I’m kneeling down, I’m looking up at him, and I just put my hands on, on his, the guitar stopped him from strumming. Um, and I just, I just raped him right there.

[01:08:46] Denice: You know, I’m Italian, the guitar is 

[01:08:48] Aaron: smart. Hey, you know what I mean? Guitar. I bet you the second he picked up that guitar for the first time, he was dreaming of that moment. 

[01:08:55] Denice: Oh, he still dreams of that moment. 40 years later. Yeah. Yeah. He hasn’t [01:09:00] forgotten a single breath of that moment. A single breath of that moment.

[01:09:06] Denice: And, um, but, but actually just prior to that, um, when we were chatting, and he said to me, he said, what’s different about you? Like, he literally said that, wow. What’s different about you? And, um, and I, because I was asking him a lot of questions, you know, I was really interested in him and I was asking him about, um, uh, it turned out he had taken sign language too, which I thought was so great because to do sign language, you need to communicate.

[01:09:35] Denice: You gotta look at someone in the eyes right there. There’s Oh, good point. Right. It was a very scientological skill. Mm-hmm. If you, and he, there’s nobody in his family that, um. That he needed that skill for. But his, um, his sign language, he took it like, ’cause he needed an elective. It was just for Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:09:51] Denice: And, but his, his sign language teacher wrote the most beautiful thing about his Oh, wow. Ability to communicate. And that if he wanted to take this [01:10:00] skill as a translator, how well he would do. And again, from what I know of how important communication is, I’m like, that’s a sexy ass skill. Mm-hmm. You know?

[01:10:08] Denice: Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:08] Yeah. 

[01:10:08] Denice: Um, like more than, oh, the quarterback, I’m like, oh, sign language. It seems so odd. But, but you could see communications really at the bottom of it all, you know? And, um, so these questions I’m asking him, and he goes, why are, why are you so, you’re so different. I’ve just never met anyone so young.

[01:10:25] Denice: And I said, um, have you ever heard of Scientology? And he hadn’t. And this was in, um, 19, we got married in 1989, so this was in 87, 19 87. And, um, uh, and he said, no. And I said, have you ever heard of Dianetics? And he said, yeah. I’m like, oh, okay. So I basically just let him know, and I’ve been raised with this philosophy and I said, look, it’s a non-denominational philosophy, you know, uh, you can be Catholic, Jewish, you could be any religion.

[01:10:54] Denice: It just allows you to be the best of whatever your religious beliefs are. And, um, [01:11:00] and it’s called a church because a church just per definition is a place where people congregate with a common goal. 

[01:11:06] Brad: Mm-hmm. That’s it. Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:07] Denice: You know, and Hubbard was very, he was really great with words, you know, and, um, uh, you know, even the words like, um, uh, he’ll call the word Satan, right?

[01:11:17] Denice: Mm-hmm. The theon is another word for spirit. And, and Hubbard came up with that word, because also sometimes the word spirit in history has a lot of darkness created with it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So people are like, don’t, I don’t, I’m not into spiritualism. They’re into spiritualism, but the word has become so clouded mm-hmm.

[01:11:34] Denice: In so much punishment and pain Yeah. That it equates with like, not for me. Right, but, but so that’s why the word thing 

[01:11:43] Aaron: and also your spirit. Also your spirit. It’s your spirit and you watch your spirit go somewhere. 

[01:11:48] Yeah. 

[01:11:48] Denice: Right. 

[01:11:49] Aaron: So there’s also right and thing. It’s not, you don’t have a thing. You are the thing.

[01:11:52] Denice: That’s right. Right. Soul damn. Your soul, your soul be damned. You know? So you may not hear the word. Soul a [01:12:00] whole lot in Scientology, but that’s, it’s all about you, your soul, you know? Mm-hmm. But he just chose the word fatton because he wanted something different so that it wouldn’t, um, as he says restimulate mm-hmm.

[01:12:11] Denice: To, to make someone think of, of another, uh, philosophy. Mm-hmm. Right? Because this philosophy is so pure and it’s just, it’s very unique and it’s, it’s very, um, it makes you very right. 

[01:12:23] Yeah. 

[01:12:23] Denice: And, um, so I, um, so he had heard of Dianetics and, um, but he, he hadn’t told me until maybe 10 years after we were married that, um, that he had gone that following week to a library and he bought the book, new Slant On Life.

[01:12:37] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[01:12:38] Wow. 

[01:12:39] Denice: And, um, uh, I wound up, um, doing something in the church. I did a little, um, counseling with, with someone in the church to make the decision to stop being with the guy that I was with, because I really. I didn’t love that guy. Mm-hmm. He loved me, but I didn’t feel the same. And, um, and the someone at the church just [01:13:00] showed me some things so that I could really break that off, but very responsibly, right?

[01:13:04] Denice: Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:04] Brad: Oh, wow. 

[01:13:05] Denice: Yeah. And, and oh, that’s beautiful. There are these little ethics conditions, it’s called. Right. And I remembered, um, 

[01:13:10] Aaron: because, because now you’re, now you’re with both the dudes. That was the issue. 

[01:13:13] Denice: It was just that one day, that one crossover day. And then I told, oh, one day. Okay. That one day. And I told Michael, I told him, I said, here’s the deal.

[01:13:20] Denice: I said, you know, this guy Gordy, I said, um, I can’t see you anymore until I handle that. 

[01:13:27] Right. 

[01:13:27] Denice: And he thought that was like, he loved that. 

[01:13:29] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:30] Denice: You know, and, um, so, so I did some counseling in the church and, and one of the things is you make up the damage. 

[01:13:38] Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:39] Denice: Right Now, again, these are ethics conditions that have been, that Hubbard came up with in the fifties and sixties.

[01:13:43] Denice: So this is like the OG of. Uh, you know, creating greatness and light for yourself. Mm-hmm. But you have to do something. Yes. You can’t just think things. 

[01:13:53] Correct. 

[01:13:53] Denice: Right. Like, if you can’t just go, I’m gonna be a good person. It’s like, that’s great. Now what, what are you, what are you doing to make up, [01:14:00] because you have me over, you know?

[01:14:01] Denice: Mm-hmm. Let’s just see a little proof, just a little, it’s a little suffer a little sweating, right? Mm-hmm. And, um, so I talked with this, this the guy that I was with, and he was a musician and he felt a little, a little crushed. Um, and, uh, and so he, um, and, but he was also a, a Scientologist. And he’s like, he said, he’s like, you know, um, and I’m like, tell me something.

[01:14:24] Denice: Can I get you something? I wanna get you something. I want you to feel. Creative. Mm-hmm. And so it was a four track recorder. Right? So then I go and I call Michael and I’m like, dude, do you know? And ’cause he worked in the music industry. Yeah. He was moved out here to work for mm-hmm. Um, Corg and Marshall.

[01:14:40] Denice: And um, and I’m like, do you know where I could get? ’cause at the time there wasn’t like internet, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I’m like, do you know where I can get a four track recorder? And he’s like, yeah. Anyway, he gets that. I give it, we start our relationship. Um, cut you. We’ve been married about five years and we’re at a dinner party and people are like, how did you meet?

[01:14:58] Denice: And we start to tell, I [01:15:00] start to tell this story and my husband cuts in and he’s like, he goes, yeah, he goes, he goes, I just had to get a four track recorder. To him. And I got the girl, I love this religion. I love this religion. And I never even saw it that way. That is so funny. ’cause he didn’t like I was so in it.

[01:15:20] Denice: Right, right. Yeah. And he’s like an outside, that’s his first experience with Scientology was that he brought a four track recorder for the old boyfriend and he gets the girl, you know? 

[01:15:31] Brad: Wow. 

[01:15:32] Denice: Now obviously it’s not as simple as that. Right. But there’s all, it’s all the agreements that go with it. It could seem that silly and simple, but none of it works unless all the parties are really doing the work.

[01:15:44] Denice: Mm-hmm. You know, and that’s just one, it’s just one little token of showing that you care. Any kind, whatever it is. You know, it could have been, I want you to get me a giant white piece of paper and put one tiny little pink card on it. Fuck whatever it is. It’s show you putting that work into it [01:16:00] is energy in that direction.

[01:16:02] Denice: Mm-hmm. Of, of whatever you wanna achieve. And so we, um. We got married. It was super fun. Um, I’m, I’m an actress. I’m doing, um, I’m, I’m doing films. I’m doing TV shows. It’s now 1991. And, um, and I’m on a film set and, um, and I’m out in the desert and I’m, uh, working with, you know, a super handsome, this, you know, uh, leading man.

[01:16:27] Denice: And, um, and he starts to get very flirty with me and, um, and just like, and I’m, anyway, I kind of give in a bit, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, you know, each. It’s like life keeps throwing you different scenarios. You learn something. 

[01:16:44] Mm-hmm. 

[01:16:44] Denice: You get the data and then you go out and life kicks you in the face.

[01:16:47] Denice: Mm-hmm. And you’re like, oh, that’s where I have to use this piece of data, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. As a business person, that happens as, as a, a spouse, as a parent, right. You get these tools, but [01:17:00] to use it, you kind of unfortunately need that situation to happen. Mm-hmm. Right? 

[01:17:05] Brad: That’s wow. 

[01:17:06] Denice: Right. 

[01:17:07] Brad: Totally true. 

[01:17:07] Denice: So here I’ve got this scenario and it was so electrifying and, and I gave in and I, um, uh, return home.

[01:17:16] Denice: Very quiet about it, just very quiet and, um, and just kind of keep doing my, but I feel a bit of a veil with my best friend. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, I lose a little bit of weight. I don’t need to lose weight. Um, and about a month and a half went by, and I’ll tell you in that month and a half, and we’d been married a year now, we probably never, never fought as much as we had in that month and a half.

[01:17:40] Denice: Mm-hmm. Course. And I don’t mean like you’re an ask No, but, but little, these little arguments, little bicker things. And I know enough about what I’ve done from, from the, from 12 years old dragging the bicycle. And I know what I did, mom, to pull this in. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. That I knew how hard I was withholding truth.

[01:17:57] Denice: Mm-hmm. And honesty and goodness. I was working [01:18:00] so hard to keep myself bad, right? Mm-hmm. 

[01:18:04] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:18:04] Denice: That I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it anymore. And I, what, what were you gonna say? 

[01:18:07] Brad: I was gonna say to keep yourself bad. Yeah, 

[01:18:09] Denice: yeah, 

[01:18:10] Brad: yeah. 

[01:18:11] Denice: And, and I remembered it was a Sunday morning and we’re laying in bed and I’m just looking at him and he is looking at, you know, it was before kids where you could just kind of sleep in and uh, and I said, I have something bad, I have to tell you.

[01:18:23] Denice: He’s like, what? And I’m like, it’s really bad. And he said, what? And um, and I told him. Like, and he just got outta the bed and he stood at the foot of the bed and he was just like, you know, and he was like, and, and I, and I’m, and I just, I’m white and I’m 

[01:18:39] mm-hmm. 

[01:18:39] Denice: Like the worst feeling ever. And um, and then the next, actually that, that night I went to the celebrity center church and um, and at the time it was like $500 I paid for marriage counseling.

[01:18:53] Denice: Mm-hmm. Now, marriage counseling is one of, uh, the only services that both of you [01:19:00] are on that meter. Mm-hmm. Um, interchangeably with a counselor, it’s the only one and it’s magic. 

[01:19:07] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:08] Denice: It’s the miracle. It’s, uh, uh, uh, you could buy $7 million worth of houses if that church gave that, um, 2000, what was it?

[01:19:17] Denice: What did they offer? If you could prove a miracle? 

[01:19:19] Aaron: Oh yeah. 5,000 bucks. 

[01:19:21] Denice: You know, it’s a miracle. So. I, um, uh, I get him to, to go and, um, and we sit there and I have to say, um, you basically talk about what have you done mm-hmm. And what have you withheld. 

[01:19:36] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:37] Denice: What have you done and what have you withheld?

[01:19:39] Denice: And each person goes until that needle floats right now, it doesn’t mean that just ’cause it floats. You got away with everything. Mm-hmm. Because there’s always more 

[01:19:48] true. 

[01:19:48] Denice: Right? Yeah. And I had to give every little detail of what I had done. Like I pretended to be a casting director, like stupid, like embarrassing.

[01:19:59] Denice: Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:59] [01:20:00] Right? 

[01:20:00] Denice: Mm-hmm. But I knew by withholding all of that, by withholding any of it, it’s gonna jeopardize what, what I have with this man next to me that I have made an agreement with. Mm-hmm. And who’s a great ass dude, right? Mm-hmm. Like, that’s the one. Granted, I’m gonna say this and it may sound sort of rude.

[01:20:20] Denice: Um, I feel that there are, that there are many Mr. And Mrs. Wrights for people on this planet. You know, like, um, uh, but when you make that commitment, you go all in, right? Mm-hmm. Now, obviously if there is something super dark that, that is just inconsolable and you can’t handle, then you, you get out. But also know that every human, we’re loaded with mistakes and problems and weirdness.

[01:20:47] Denice: Mm-hmm. We just are, God bless us, you know? 

[01:20:50] Yeah. 

[01:20:51] Denice: And, um, and, but having the tools to make, to make all that work and that patience and that kindness because you’re gonna leave that one person and [01:21:00] you’re gonna find, you know, a year or two later the same bullshit. Yeah. More in the next person. Right? So, but some are, you just vibrate on the right plane.

[01:21:09] Denice: And I got early on. Lucky. Lucky. Um, so, um. So we, we do this marriage counseling and we, and then he gets to get off things he’s done. Mm-hmm. Because he was a DJ in a nightclub. 

[01:21:24] Brad: Mm. 

[01:21:24] Denice: Right. So maybe a girl came over, oh, Michael, could you play this song? Oh, thank you. It’s my birthday. Can I have a kiss? You know, like, oh, okay.

[01:21:31] Denice: You kissed that girl and you know, did it, how long did it linger? Right? Mm. Like the detail that you can’t get from maybe other confessional procedures in the world, because that meter will make sure that you are totally honest. Mm-hmm. Right. And if you really wanna be a, a, a cunty asshole, you maybe can, but that’s not like, that’s, that’s not Scientology.

[01:21:53] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. That you’re doing it because it’s gonna work, but you have to do the work. Right. Yeah. And um, [01:22:00] and it was just so magical that at the end of this, we could not have been better friends. I sat in a room with looking at, at a counselor with my husband next to me, telling just the most.

[01:22:12] Denice: Embarrassing details of what I did with another fricking man. 

[01:22:15] Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:15] Denice: And 40 years later, I am still the most trustworthy wife you will ever meet, because I went through that. 

[01:22:22] Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:23] Denice: And, um, uh, and then, you know, I got to buy him his four track recorder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. I think I bought him like a, a, a neuman microphone or, you know.

[01:22:32] Denice: Yeah. I did the work. I proved my fidelity. And, and it was so helpful because I went on to do, um, many other love scenes, right. And he could trust me and I could trust myself. Mm-hmm. And he sat, I remember him watching, I did a, a love scene with a guy on a TV show called Silk Stalkings. Oh my gosh. And, um, he actually helped me rehearse it because I had to kind of kiss the guy and then sail a line and kiss the guy.

[01:22:57] Denice: And so he would rehearse it with me, but he would do things like [01:23:00] lick my ear and I’m like, stop it. Come on. I, I gotta be serious now. You know? And he would like, you know, start to lick my nostril. And I’m like, stop it. He’s not gonna do that. And then when it aired and he’s watching it, he’s like, pretty hot, honey.

[01:23:11] Denice: I believed you. And I’m like, thank you. You know, and it was clean because I, I effed up, I went through a whole course of what it means to be a loyal wife. Mm. Right. And that kind of commitment. And, and it really came into help. Three years after that, I was doing a vampire film for this, uh, series called Subspecies, and I’m out in Romania.

[01:23:33] Denice: And it’s 1993, and I’d been married for three or four years. I had already done this marriage counseling. It really fortified me. And now I’m working for three months and I’m out on the Black Sea. And, uh, and the makeup artists were like super cute dudes, you know, they were like my age. And, um, and at the end of every meal, they all, everyone smokes cigarettes and they talk and they drink booze.

[01:23:54] Denice: And I didn’t do either of those things. And so we were out to dinner and I just wanted to go take a walk along the beach. [01:24:00] And one of the makeup artists, he said, let me come out with you. And, um, so we’re walking and uh, uh, and he takes me and he starts to kiss me. And I’m like, whoa, whoa. And he’s like, what?

[01:24:09] Denice: Uh, he goes, it’s such a beautiful full moon. And I’m like, yeah. I said, and my husband’s gonna see that moon too soon. And he’s like, he’ll never know. And I’m like, he will know because I’ll tell him. And, uh. And he said, ah. And I’m like, look, dude. And now I’m thinking I’ve got two more months to spend with this guy.

[01:24:28] Denice: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he’s one of my makeup artists, and I wanna keep this friendship. And when you like, kind of cock block a guy mm-hmm. Or kind of refuse it can create a little something. Mm-hmm. Totally. You know? Mm-hmm. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but as a Scientologist who has done training on human emotion and the reactive mind, I know the effect of putting someone’s ethics in.

[01:24:49] Denice: Mm-hmm. But doing it with so much affinity and so much, uh, grant them the beingness of like, all right, I’m kind of a cute girl back then. And, and it, it was a very [01:25:00] romantic night, you know, but it, it doesn’t mean that you, you do something to break your moral code. Right. And I just felt a bigger picture here that I said to him, I go, you know.

[01:25:12] Denice: Granted, we could have a beautiful sexy night right here on the sand. And, uh, I said, but I chose another man many years ago, and I don’t wanna sacrifice 50, 60 years with my husband for one great night with you. And I said, if I was your wife, truly, if I was your wife, would you want some guy making out with me on a beach out of the country?

[01:25:33] Denice: Would you want that? And he went, you got a lucky husband. I said, thank you. And we remained the best of friends for years after that because I really just addressed him and, and what he was feeling. And also I did have to take responsibility for going out by myself with a guy mm-hmm. Who’s got his hormones going, who’s single, you know?

[01:25:56] Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:57] Denice: And, um, and I, and, and to this day, I [01:26:00] always have to be aware of that, you know, I mean, all right, so this top maybe is a little, you know, but I’m very aware of, of that, that that sexual flow. I feel that sexual flow, especially in this world now, is, is used in a very irresponsible way. 

[01:26:18] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:26:19] Denice: Um, you know, I, I had, um, um, uh, a big film director also like, take me into a room and put me up against a wall, right.

[01:26:29] Denice: When I was like six, six years married, and I was like, oh gosh, you know, um, I, I, I’m married and, and you know, I had to, I wasn’t about to punch him or mm-hmm. You know, but I, because I understood. 

[01:26:40] Yeah. 

[01:26:40] Denice: He’s in a little bit of a, you know, I think when a man gets like that. I kind of have to treat them like a little bit of like drunk or drug dealer, you know, like there’s, there’s some, there’s a lot of hormone going on in there.

[01:26:52] Denice: You know, it’s like a woman in menopause. Please be kind to us when your women get there. Be kind, you know? Um, [01:27:00] but your body’s going through something, you know, and I really, you just have to respect that because at the end of the day, what is it that you want? Do you wanna teach someone a lesson or do you wanna get a beautiful end result mm-hmm.

[01:27:12] Denice: Where both people come out safe and sane. Mm-hmm. Right. So I just was like, oh God, I’m, I’m flattered, but you know, I am married and, you know, and I was just able to, to diffuse the guy’s, you know mm-hmm. Boner. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, because we still had a whole day of filming to go on. 

[01:27:28] Mm-hmm. 

[01:27:29] Denice: Um, so it, it, that has definitely been, um, you know, I, I’m, I’m very, I’m very friendly.

[01:27:35] Denice: I’m very touchy. Yeah, 

[01:27:36] yeah. 

[01:27:37] Denice: You know, I, it’s the Italian in me, but I’ve also had to learn, uh, the effect that that creates. And I see a lot of women not be responsible for that and just think, oh, I’m being nice and oh, well, he’s the one, he’s the one. I’m like, yeah, but what did you do? You know? Mm-hmm. It really, and, and I, um, you know, that when that Me [01:28:00] Too thing came out, um, 

[01:28:01] Aaron: I was really just thinking about that.

[01:28:02] Denice: Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s 

[01:28:03] Aaron: like a Yeah, yeah. Because it, 

[01:28:04] Denice: yeah. I, I, and I 

[01:28:05] Aaron: know, I know some people the wi I know fine. 

[01:28:07] Denice: Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s tougher for you to talk about. It’s easier for me to talk about it. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when that came out, I, um, I actually, uh, spoke about, I, I didn’t type it out, but I had done a Facebook Live, um, back in like 2019, and I told that story, you know, and really it was out of like, look, you can, there’s so many ways that you can handle this.

[01:28:28] Denice: Mm-hmm. And also looking at your own participation in it, not tons, you know, I’m not saying like, what did you do? It’s, it’s, obviously I’m a woman. I’m on, I’m on my side, you know? Um, but I do know that you. Um, that we are, we are responsible for the condition we’re in. And I think it’s really, it’s very empowering to know like, what the fuck did I do to turn him on?

[01:28:49] Denice: Mm-hmm. You know, like, actually enjoy that. Look at that. What did you do? Could it have just been like you looked at him? 

[01:28:55] Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:55] Denice: You know, like, right. Like you’ve pro you’ve been looked at by a [01:29:00] woman in a way that there was a, there was a flow flows. Ridges, dispersals. There’s a flow. And the flow could either be, I want you to want me, I want you to think I’m hot.

[01:29:09] Denice: You know, or the flow could be, oh my God, you’re so, 

[01:29:12] Brad: yeah. 

[01:29:12] Denice: You know, flows. It seems so thy weedy, but it really starts with that. And I, and I know the difference of when I would walk into a room and, and make contact with the dudes and the ones that I was feeling and then going, oh wow, this is gonna, this is gonna create some trouble here.

[01:29:30] Denice: I gotta like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Friend, friend, friend, friend, friend. You know, and in Scientology there’s something called the Dynamics. And there’s eight dynamics. And there, there are urges to survive in life. There, there they’re survive. They’re how you survive. You survive in eight compartments.

[01:29:45] Denice: It’s just really cool. It’s very mathematical. One day, um, I’ll teach it to you guys. 

[01:29:51] Thank you. 

[01:29:51] Denice: They know, um, it’s, it’s Scientology 1 0 1, the eight dynamics, and the first dynamic is yourself and what you do for yourself. You brush your teeth, [01:30:00] you know, you, you go jogging, right? You put on your makeup, you eat good food.

[01:30:04] Denice: That’s your first dynamic and you take care of it. But your second dynamic. Your family, your husband, your wife, your mom, your kids. Um, and it’s, it’s also the area of sex, right? It’s the procreation and it’s creation. So that second dynamic area is, is very important. And then it goes on to third, fourth. I don’t know if you were gonna say something.

[01:30:26] Aaron: No, no, I wasn’t. 

[01:30:26] Denice: Oh, okay. 

[01:30:27] Aaron: No, no, it’s fine. Just, I was gonna say that, uh, thank you for, for all of your stories and, and being here. Okay. And we appreciate it. And if you wanna know more about the dynamics, scientology.org/dynamics. Okay. So, okay. 

[01:30:38] Brad: So he knows like every, I 

[01:30:40] Aaron: just have to tell the courses 

[01:30:41] Brad: he, he knows like scientology.org/blah, like all the free courses.

[01:30:45] Brad: He knows all of the URLs by heart. 

[01:30:47] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:30:47] Brad: They’ll be like, what’s the learning course? S Scientology 

[01:30:50] Aaron: do org study study. So 

[01:30:52] Brad: he just knows all of ‘

[01:30:52] Aaron: em. Yeah. So anyway, dynamics is a good one. Now, I, there is a, there is a question we ask every one of our guests. 

[01:30:57] Denice: Yes. 

[01:30:58] Aaron: And it is [01:31:00] in your own words, what is Scientology?

[01:31:03] Denice: Oh gosh, yes. Yes. I mean. It certainly is a spiritual spa for me, right? It’s where I go to feel better about myself. It is a toolbox of life for me. It’s, um, it is life for me. It’s never been a separate thing. Um, it’s what I lean into whenever I have some noise in my head that makes me feel less about myself, I go to, uh, a book, um, a lecture, a supervisor there to find out how can I feel a little more energized.

[01:31:41] Denice: Um, yeah, it is, it is my toolbox for happiness. 

[01:31:47] Brad: That’s beautiful. 

[01:31:47] Aaron: Amazing. 

[01:31:48] Brad: Yeah. 

[01:31:49] Denice: Yeah. I mean, I, I’ve told plenty of stories. Yeah. Good. You should take the short answer. It’s the only one I gave short. 

[01:31:57] Brad: Thank you, Denise. Thank you so much for being 

[01:31:59] Denice: here with, did you guys have [01:32:00] fun? 

[01:32:00] Brad: I had a great time. 

[01:32:01] Denice: Did you? Okay.

[01:32:02] Denice: Yeah. So 

[01:32:02] Aaron: that was brilliant. 

[01:32:02] Denice: Alright. ’cause you know, we like to help. That’s the, that’s the number one thing in Scientology is, you know, did you help someone? Did you make someone feel good? And, and I, 

[01:32:11] Aaron: if Denise made you laugh. 

[01:32:13] Denice: Yes. Did I make cry? 

[01:32:14] Aaron: Please make cry. Put a comment down or cry. Right. Or question your entire existence.

[01:32:19] Aaron: Okay. Any of those things. Just put it in the comments and we’ll make sure Denise sees it. Okay. 

[01:32:23] Denice: Was, I just wanna know, did I make you laugh at all? Yeah, 

[01:32:25] yeah. Yeah. That’s 

[01:32:26] Denice: good though. It’s the greatest gift. Brilliant. The biggest sin in life is no sense of humor. 

[01:32:30] Aaron: Yeah. Well, thank you guys. 

[01:32:32] Denice: Thank you guys. I love what you’re doing.

[01:32:34] Denice: I love what you’re doing, kids. 

[01:32:37] Brad: Thanks Niecy.