Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Ken: 30 minutes later, I went back to the house. The house was gone. Six months later, we had donated our first two or 3 million. I wanted to be involved in my children’s education. That is the one thing that has made the most difference in raising our children. He came after the test and he is like, psychological survey.

[00:00:17] Ken: Do you really feel like you’re a boy or a girl survey that the school was required to do? 

[00:00:23] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:00:24] Ken: As part of getting the government funding. They’re my children. They’re not the school’s children. Right. So the school has to follow your instructions. It gets more complicated to get the same result. 

[00:00:33] Aaron: Okay. Yes.

[00:00:33] Aaron: Today I have my good friend Ken Walker, who in fact was my wife’s first employer after we left the nonprofit world. Yeah. Um, thank you for that by the way. Yeah. Getting us off on a good start. 

[00:00:45] Ken: Yeah. We love your wife. So. 

[00:00:46] Aaron: Yeah. Uh, so, so basically Ken is a third generation Scientologist. Yeah. Um, uh, like also married a third generation Scientologist.

[00:00:57] Ken: I did. 

[00:00:58] Aaron: So, so there’s a lot of history. [00:01:00] There’s a lot of Scientology, uh, in his life. Um, he also is extremely successful as a business person. Um, him and his wife and his companies together have made tens of millions of dollars take home. That’s like bottom line. Not talking about sales, like they say he is, uh, he’s rich.

[00:01:14] Aaron: Okay. But, but, um, in a good way because he’s also extremely Phil philanthropic. Mm-hmm. And is changing the world with not just his donations, but through what he’s doing in the business. Helping with housing, helping with people, getting mortgages. Getting lending. People who have a hard time getting loans.

[00:01:31] Aaron: They get hard money loans where the banks tell you no. So if the bank tells you no, you go to guy like this guy, and if you wanna see the full, there’s a full episode on Aaron Cordova podcast. You can look up his name. My name. And that podcast is there on the business side. We’re gonna get into a lot more the family side because Ken is a very, very successful parent.

[00:01:47] Aaron: Okay. His two children 16 and 13 years old. Callie and Braden are, are Braden and Callie, right? Age-wise. Yeah. Um, they’re incredible people. Brilliant. Um. Super kind, mannered. And [00:02:00] they know, I mean, they’re just incredible. So you’ve done a fantastic job. So I want to get into that. Thank you. All the things and tips that you’ve done and, uh, anyway, uh, born in San Diego, living in California, a lot of your life.

[00:02:09] Aaron: And, uh, so guys, welcome Ken to the show. 

[00:02:12] Ken: Thank you very much. 

[00:02:13] Aaron: He’s also at the top of the bridge. He is, uh, new OT eight. Okay. Uh, so is your wife. 

[00:02:18] Ken: Yeah, 

[00:02:18] Aaron: uh, Ari and, uh, your son actually went clear. 

[00:02:22] Ken: Yeah, he just recently attested to Clear and, uh, he’ll be starting his OT levels in, uh, Scientology here very shortly.

[00:02:30] Aaron: Yeah. And he is also a trained auditor right at the, at one of the highest levels, class four, right? 

[00:02:34] Ken: Yeah. He’s a, he’s doing an internship through, uh, to practice his auditing skills, uh, at our, uh, top church, uh, flag in Florida here. And, uh, he’s doing absolutely wonderful. He’s, he’s, uh, he’s totally killing it.

[00:02:51] Aaron: Yeah. So, uh, I wanna just, I wanna ask your, I guess. Journey for, for better words. I mean, like [00:03:00] the third generation onologist is like a lot. I mean that’s a lot of like, you guys are like the OGs. I mean, that’s like a while back. The originally hasn’t been around that long, so 

[00:03:09] Ken: that’s true. 

[00:03:09] Aaron: Do you know like how your grandparents got involved originally?

[00:03:14] Ken: Uh, my grandparents on my mother’s side and my mom found Scientology in Berkeley, California. Um, at a mission or something there. Uh, got on lines, found the communication skills that are taught in the church mm-hmm. To be fascinating and extremely helpful, uh, in their lives. And because of that, uh, started doing more courses, did some auditing and they all got up the bridge as well.

[00:03:42] Ken: My mom is also new OT eight. 

[00:03:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:45] Ken: My, uh, my stepfather is new OT five. 

[00:03:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:50] Ken: My biological father is on new OT seven. My grandparents were also ot, so. Um, yeah, we come from a whole line [00:04:00] of active participating Scientologists because we see that it, you know, it helps. 

[00:04:05] Aaron: So, yeah. And so uc, Berkeley, that’s like a, obviously a college campus, right?

[00:04:09] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:04:09] Aaron: And, uh, do you know, like, I just wonder like they, I know they walk into a place and if you don’t know, it’s obviously fine. Like again, it’s not an interview for them. I’m just curious. Like, you know, that one painful day. I 

[00:04:18] Ken: honest, I honestly have no idea. Okay. Okay. I know that, uh, they ended up in a mission and they were given some brochure on the communication skills.

[00:04:26] Ken: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:26] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:27] Ken: And they’re like, wow, this makes sense. Uh, went in and did a course, found it to be extremely, uh, helpful and useful in life, which is really what Scientology is all about, right? Yeah. 

[00:04:36] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:04:36] Ken: Useful tools for life and living. Um, and that was the beginning of their journey. 

[00:04:42] Aaron: Okay, nice. And then, so, so for you, so then that’s like your grandmother and then, then your mom, right?

[00:04:51] Ken: Yeah, my grandma and grandpa and my mom’s side, and then my mom. My dad, and then they ended up, uh, getting divorced. Uh, it was all [00:05:00] amicable. Mm-hmm. They just had different paths. Um, so my dad’s on a new OT seven, and then she remarried and, uh, so this was when I was young. I was like maybe six or seven at that time.

[00:05:13] Ken: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They, my, uh, mom remarried with my stepdad, uh, and he went up the bridge, uh, new oh two five. 

[00:05:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:22] Ken: Yeah. So, yeah. 

[00:05:22] Aaron: Great. And, and so for you, like, how was it like growing up? Like you’re growing up, um, obviously at some point you, you know, you’re, you’re in Scientology now, so you got started somehow, some way sometime.

[00:05:36] Aaron: So like, do you remember, uh, you just always had ology around or was there a moment when it was like you found out about it or? 

[00:05:43] Ken: Uh, a little bit of both actually. So when I was real young. My first memories of Scientology are going to like a Scientology, like a Sunday school type setting. Mm-hmm. Uh, sitting down and doing communication drills.

[00:05:57] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:59] Ken: Um, [00:06:00] and one of them that I specifically remember, uh, was where you sit down and you confront another person and you bull bait them. Mm-hmm. Right. You, you push their buttons, you find things that make them react. 

[00:06:11] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:06:12] Ken: Uh, and my aunt was also in Scientology and she sat down and she was bull baiting me on, on kittens, you know, and I’m like five years old, four years old, and, and kittens was just the funniest thing to me at the time.

[00:06:27] Ken: So I had a, a lot of fun times, uh, doing those drills. 

[00:06:31] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:32] Ken: Um, and then when we moved. To Northern California when I was six or seven years old, we were near San Francisco and my parents had a lot of friends at San Francisco, at the Church of Scientology in San Francisco. So we ended up going there, driving there, uh, over the weekends.

[00:06:52] Ken: And I did some services there and decided like, this is really cool. I like this. Mm-hmm. You know, I’m, I’m interested in this. [00:07:00] And then in, uh, 1994, right. I think that’s when it was, uh, where the Church of Scientology, uh, ended its battle with the, uh, the IRS. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And obtained, uh, religious recognition.

[00:07:15] Ken: Uh, I got invited to go to that event, so I was real young. Uh, I was like 13 or 14 years old. Mm-hmm. Went out to the event. There were tens of thousands of people at this event, and I was like. Oh my God, I had no idea how big Scientology was. 

[00:07:31] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:32] Ken: Um, and it was at that moment that I was like, okay, uh, I see that there’s like a ground movement here.

[00:07:38] Ken: Mm-hmm. And I want to be part of it. Um, and that was pretty much my pivotal point in my life where I was like, okay, you know, this is interesting to, this is something that I wanna do. I see that it’s helping others. I see that it’s important. 

[00:07:54] Aaron: Nice. And so, um, with, with like with your [00:08:00] mom? Yeah. How, how, how, like, okay, you’re, you’re in school.

[00:08:04] Aaron: You went to public school, right? 

[00:08:05] Ken: Unfortunately, yes. 

[00:08:07] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:08:07] Ken: Okay. 

[00:08:08] Aaron: So the public school, um, did you know anyone else in school who was also a Scientologist? You were kinda the only one. How was that? 

[00:08:16] Ken: I was the only one. Um, and it’s funny, it actually made me feel separated from the other student, the other kids there.

[00:08:26] Ken: Because everyone else in the public schools was there for a different purpose. Mm-hmm. They were there to mess around, to find girls to have sexual relations or you know, the occasional drug deal over underneath the bleachers. 

[00:08:39] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:40] Ken: Um, they weren’t there for education. 

[00:08:42] Aaron: Right. 

[00:08:43] Ken: So I was there for education and in the studies that I did with Scientology, learning how to study mm-hmm.

[00:08:51] Ken: And how to communicate, I ended up finding that, um, I would excel at the [00:09:00] classes. 

[00:09:00] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:00] Ken: Because the other students that were there weren’t there to study. So I was there to study. So it took me half as much time to learn everything. And then I ended up in all these advanced classes and kind of advanced out of the school.

[00:09:13] Ken: And, uh, when I was 14 I was like, okay, I’ve had enough school. And at that point, dropped out of school to start working. 

[00:09:21] Aaron: Wow. That’s amazing. 

[00:09:22] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:09:23] Aaron: So I mean, again, it doesn’t have to be amazing. It could be amazing, but at the end of the day, if you’re ahead and you’re done, like at least for me, school man, I don’t know, like you’re there at school for whatever, seven hours, six hours, whatever.

[00:09:35] Aaron: It’s, but when I was there, I mean, I would sleep at least half the time I was allowed to. And like, uh, I dunno man. I mean, I if, if you’re like, if you think it’s bad that someone is, uh, leaving school because they’re ahead and they’re ready to start their life, like, okay, cool. Well, 

[00:09:49] Ken: yeah. It is what it is. I, I, and I don’t know what to say about this.

[00:09:52] Ken: You know, it’s a slightly polarized subject. Yep. Some are like, you have to stay in school, you have to get through college. You should get a [00:10:00] degree, you should do this. And others are like, yeah, just quit school because it’s um, it’s uh, brainwashing and it’s this and it’s that. And go start your life. And I know extremely successful people who have done both routes 

[00:10:15] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[00:10:15] Ken: Extremely successful people who’ve gone through college and extremely successful people who quit. Saying school was a waste of their time. So 

[00:10:25] Aaron: either way, like Yeah. Whatever fits for you. Uh, so when, when in, in your, like when did you start your first company? 

[00:10:35] Ken: Hmm. Um, I started my first company in, I think it was 2009 or 2010.

[00:10:48] Aaron: Okay, so at the point you were about 30, correct. Ish. 

[00:10:52] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:10:52] Aaron: Okay. And so, and to, to build up, to build up to that point, right? Like what did you learn or what did you [00:11:00] study you think that had, I mean, it’s been very successful. Your, your businesses, I mean, clearly. So what do you think was your foundation? Like, you’re ready to start the business.

[00:11:10] Aaron: I know I’ve done this and this, or maybe some job that you’ve done or something that, that you’ve done that like, Hey, this is a good foundation that I got to start the business. 

[00:11:19] Ken: Uh, you know, that’s a, a tricky question ’cause my businesses are all in the field of real estate. 

[00:11:24] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:11:24] Ken: Right. Uh, we’ve got a rental company, a mortgage company, a loan servicing company.

[00:11:28] Ken: Mm-hmm. Uh, a real estate investment company. So they’re all in the fields of real estate. Um, and to start those companies, prior to my first company, I had, uh, flipped a bunch of houses. 

[00:11:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:41] Ken: Um, and that gave me some, a good understanding of the real estate itself. So then I could start buying houses and turning them into rentals.

[00:11:51] Ken: And I understood, you know, the, the physical house itself didn’t scare me. Mm-hmm. Because I knew every part of it. Uh, but beside from that, I [00:12:00] would say the, the fact that I have a, a, a goal and an ambition in my life mm-hmm. Is what drove me to be able to build businesses. 

[00:12:09] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:12:10] Ken: Not so much what I learned in school or what somebody taught me.

[00:12:14] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:14] Ken: But, uh. S having that drive or desire, you know, I wanna help my religion, I wanna help Scientology. Mm-hmm. So I donate a lot to Scientology or to, uh, other programs that are based on the works of l Ron Hubbard. Mm-hmm. You know, and, uh, criminal reef, uh, reform or drug rehabilitation. 

[00:12:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:34] Ken: Um, you know, programs that do that, do that.

[00:12:40] Ken: And I can’t, I can’t help those entities or those organizations unless I make money to be able to support those organizations. 

[00:12:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:48] Ken: You know, so I could scale back on my businesses and have a super comfortable life and not help my church and still be super successful. Or if I want to help my church and be, you know, [00:13:00] philanthropic, then I need to expand my businesses to be able to do that.

[00:13:04] Ken: And, and that’s what drove me. 

[00:13:06] Aaron: Mm, interesting. So when did you decide, like, did I, I, I wanna help. These activities. I, I mean, things are not great around them. We need to make changes. We need to, like, we call it, put our shoulder to the wheel, right? Like 

[00:13:20] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:13:21] Aaron: Like, get going. When, when did you decide that? 

[00:13:23] Ken: So you’ll like this?

[00:13:24] Ken: So this actually happened for us in 2017. 

[00:13:27] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:13:28] Ken: And what happened was, uh, we live in northern California. 

[00:13:31] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:32] Ken: And there were these firestorms that ripped through our county. 

[00:13:37] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:37] Ken: Uh, destroyed about five, five, 6,000 houses. Wow. Uh, hundreds of thousands of acres. It was kind of the start of the whole California, you know, fire evolution.

[00:13:49] Ken: And now every year is a, a new fire incident in California. This was kind of at the beginning of it. Mm-hmm. We lost our house. The, uh, my wife woke up at three o’clock in the [00:14:00] morning to go to the bathroom. Uh, she noticed a red glowing outside through the window. She peeked outside and there were three large fires on the hills coming towards our house.

[00:14:09] Ken: She woke me up. Within 30 minutes we had, we had, uh, collected our kids, our cat, and uh, what else did we get? My wife grabbed her purse and we drove away in our cars. That was all we we left with, you know? ’cause three o’clock in the morning, there’s no power, there’s fires, there’s smoke, it’s chaos. Mm-hmm.

[00:14:32] Ken: You’re not, you’re not really thinking things through. Mm-hmm. Other than I gotta get away. And our thought was, we’ll come back later to get everything. 

[00:14:39] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:40] Ken: Uh, 30 minutes later I realized that I should probably go turn the sprinklers on. 

[00:14:47] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:14:48] Ken: Create come some kind of moisture barrier. Mm-hmm. Right.

[00:14:51] Ken: 30 minutes later, I went back to the house. The house was gone. Oh. 

[00:14:55] Aaron: Fully gone. 

[00:14:56] Ken: Fully gone. There was nothing left. It was just [00:15:00] rubble, like literally nothing left. Um. So it was, it was rather Thank you airy 

[00:15:07] Aaron: for saving our 

[00:15:08] Ken: family. Yes, yes. Thank you. But having gone through something like that, it’s rather traumatic.

[00:15:15] Ken: You know, traumatic. We went from having all this stuff to having nothing. 

[00:15:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:21] Ken: Except what we had in our bank and the cars that we drove away with. 

[00:15:26] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:27] Ken: Our kids didn’t even have shoes. Right. We just threw ’em in the car and drove away. Um, so it, it took us a few weeks to kind of get over that shock, but then, um, we ended up going, we’re invited to a, a church event 

[00:15:44] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[00:15:45] Ken: Where they were, uh, fundraising for. Activities, uh, including like the volunteer minister program mm-hmm. For the Church of Scientology, uh, as well as the drug rehab and um, uh, criminal reform and these things. [00:16:00] And we saw other church members who were going up on stage getting acknowledged for large contributions.

[00:16:07] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:08] Ken: And the effects that they were having. And both Ari and I, my wife is Ari, both Ari and I look at each other and we say, we are no longer going to be a victim. This is what we’re gonna start doing. And it was that exact moment that changed our trajectory and our businesses. Um, I think within six months.

[00:16:37] Ken: Let’s see. So prior to that, we were, I was making. I was making a comfortable, I, I was making enough money to live comfortably, but not to, uh, you know, contribute or donate to any charity type activities. 

[00:16:50] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:51] Ken: Six months later, I think we had, uh, donated maybe our first two or 3 [00:17:00] million. Wow. 

[00:17:01] Aaron: That’s a lot.

[00:17:02] Ken: And we didn’t change anything in our company except the drive, because we did not wanna be in effect. And we found ourselves in this situation being a complete effect. We had like, no hope. We were totally lost. And then we saw that others were doing something effective to change the environment. And we went from being effect to that’s what we’re doing.

[00:17:28] Ken: We’re gonna be effective. That was the only difference. 

[00:17:31] Aaron: Wow. And that’s, I mean, that’s a, a huge, I mean, that’s not what I got, five XA three x, like how, like 

[00:17:37] Ken: Yeah. But it didn’t stop there. You know, I mean, we’ve donated, you know, we donated so much money, but it’s for that purpose. Mm-hmm. We wanna help others.

[00:17:48] Ken: We don’t want others going through what we went through. 

[00:17:50] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:51] Ken: So how do we do that? We need to make the world a better place. Less criminals, less drugs on the street. Uh, more people willing to [00:18:00] help others through the volunteer minister program. So, yeah. 

[00:18:05] Aaron: That’s amazing. I remember that, uh, like when you told me that, that your, your house got, uh, burned down.

[00:18:12] Ken: It, it was, it was rough that, you know, you cry ourselves to sleep, you know, it was rough, but, 

[00:18:20] Aaron: and it was, was that a brand new house, wasn’t it? 

[00:18:22] Ken: Uh, no, that was not a brand new house, but we had purchased it, so, so we bought that house two years prior. 

[00:18:29] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:18:30] Ken: Lived in it for one year. 

[00:18:32] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:18:33] Ken: So that we could see what we want to changed about it.

[00:18:35] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:18:35] Ken: Spent the next year remodeling the house. 

[00:18:38] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:18:39] Ken: We had one room left to finish remodeling, and then we had a fully remodeled house. We had just put in the new front door and then that night, you know, all gone. 

[00:18:50] Aaron: Wow. So you must have known people who also lost everything. Yeah. And it was, the whole area got [00:19:00] totally devastated.

[00:19:00] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:19:01] Aaron: Um, what reactions did you see around, I mean, your response, I mean, it was like, obviously you guys got pushed to the ground and then you came up 

[00:19:09] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:19:09] Aaron: Really strongly. What, what kind of other effects did you see around you? Like the typical response to that? 

[00:19:13] Ken: The typical response lasted for about two years, and it was hopelessness, totally re stimulated and like, uh, upset and unable to come out of that upset because of it.

[00:19:32] Ken: One year later, there was another fire that came close to the area. 

[00:19:35] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:36] Ken: And. It didn’t end up coming in or burning down any houses, but just the fact that it was possible. 

[00:19:43] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:44] Ken: I know of three people who, who were like, we can’t handle this. And moved out of the area. 

[00:19:48] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:49] Ken: Because they lost their house in 2017, and then a year later this thing happened.

[00:19:54] Ken: You know, it went on for, for years. We ended up having to help lots and lots of [00:20:00] people, which we were happy to do, um, you know, with, uh, supplies and donations and, uh, I mean, we had thousands of people who were contacts that we had from across, uh, the US who reached out and sent us stuff. Um, and we use those supplies to help others when others, you know, months later would come up to us.

[00:20:23] Ken: Like, we, we see that you’re not still upset about this. Wow. Which is, uh, hard for people to understand when they’re fully, you know, stuck into being upset about it. 

[00:20:34] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:20:35] Ken: Um. We would end up giving them assists and, you know, help them come out of it. 

[00:20:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:41] Ken: But, you know, we let ’em know straight up what got us out of it was applying these Scientology tools.

[00:20:46] Ken: Mm-hmm. We did assists on ourselves. We went to our church and received auditing or counseling and, uh, but it wasn’t a rapid recovery for everybody. 

[00:20:56] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Okay. Makes sense. [00:21:00] Now I wanna, when Okay. At that point your children were somewhat young. 

[00:21:07] Ken: Yeah. So 2017, so our son was, uh, maybe seven and our daughter was about five.

[00:21:17] Aaron: Yeah. How, how was it like on them when, you know, the house has gone this? Did they, I mean, I don’t know if kids are there, you’re kind of unfazed like, oh good, our house is not there. Or was it hard? Like, how, how did it affect the children? 

[00:21:29] Ken: Um, it, it definitely affected them, you know, ’cause they lost all their toys.

[00:21:33] Ken: You know, what’s, what’s. You lose what’s real to you. 

[00:21:37] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:21:38] Ken: Right. So, um, a new kitchen isn’t real to our five-year-old. 

[00:21:45] Aaron: Right, 

[00:21:46] Ken: right, right, right. That was, that was real to me. But that wasn’t real to our, you know, our kids. Yeah, yeah. But what was real to them was their toys. Right. Where our daughter had this, you know, those little ies you know, it was like a little bunny with this like washcloth thing [00:22:00] that Yeah.

[00:22:00] Ken: Yeah. You hold onto, you know, she, hold on. She held onto that thing from the day she was born until the fires. 

[00:22:05] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:22:05] Ken: That was probably her biggest loss. Wow. That she lost that possession of hers. Mm-hmm. Uh, and we had chickens at the time, so, you know, I joke, we, we ended up with fried chicken, but Oh geez. Not, not everybody likes that joke, but I grew up on a farm, so.

[00:22:22] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:22:23] Ken: Um, but, uh, and then so the loss of our chickens mm-hmm. 

[00:22:27] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:28] Ken: Was, was hard on our kids. But, uh, we grew, you know, our kids grew up in a Scientology environment. Mm-hmm. And with Scientology, uh, tools and assists that we did on them on a, a daily and weekly basis. So our son, he was the first one to jump in and help with his sister.

[00:22:48] Ken: Um, he started explaining to her how, um, we don’t have to pay attention to what we lost, because now we get to go out and buy all new things. Now we get to [00:23:00] design and create our own bedroom. Now we get to buy, you know, get new chickens and raise them, you know, so that it turned the focus from loss and death and all this terribleness mm-hmm.

[00:23:14] Ken: To a positive creation, what we get to look forward to. 

[00:23:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:18] Ken: Um, and then my five-year-old son, uh, did assists on, you know, his, she was, uh, three years old, I think at the time. Doing a locational assist. Mm-hmm. You know, getting her attention out, looking at different things. Um, so I was real, I was real proud, 

[00:23:39] Aaron: proud 

[00:23:39] Ken: dad 

[00:23:39] Aaron: moment.

[00:23:40] Ken: I was real proud to see that, you know, our 5-year-old son using the tools that we grew up with 

[00:23:45] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:23:45] Ken: To help his sister. 

[00:23:46] Aaron: Right. 

[00:23:46] Ken: So 

[00:23:47] Aaron: that’s amazing. And then what happened to the schooling? So, uh, for the kids, like, did they change schools? The school was fine and, you know, 

[00:23:54] Ken: yeah. The school was fine. Uh, there was one, like a satellite campus that burned down and they [00:24:00] just moved those over into the main campus.

[00:24:02] Ken: Okay. Uh, but there, the school that they were at was actually extremely, uh, extremely helpful. 

[00:24:10] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:11] Ken: Uh, very neighborly, created a whole Goodwill center at their school, got, you know, uh, tons of items donated and, you know, it, it was a really good school. 

[00:24:21] Aaron: Great. And so, and, and now, okay. So you’re in your new place after the fires?

[00:24:27] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:24:28] Aaron: Your, your kids are not growing up. And I mean, you’ve told me some tips. Like I ask you, like, I literally see your children. I’m like, okay, good. Well, my kids grow up. I wanna make sure they’re smart. Like these things. 

[00:24:36] Ken: Yeah. There’s, you want, you want your kids to grow up and be smart, successful, independent.

[00:24:40] Ken: Yeah. Right. 

[00:24:41] Aaron: That’s right. So, so what are like your tips, like as, as growing, as being a father, being a Scientologist, being uh, you know, a trained Scientologist. Like what do you do, what do you teach your children? Something that anybody can use. I mean, you don’t have to be a Scientologist to like, do some things, but, 

[00:24:56] Ken: yeah.

[00:24:56] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:24:57] Aaron: What are your tips for 

[00:24:58] Ken: raising tips? I would say [00:25:00] the, the, I was given a datum once by somebody who was a, a training officer who trained hundreds of other people. Mm-hmm. And he said the one difference that he saw in all the people that came to him for training, for whatever job it is that they were gonna do, was not what school they went to.

[00:25:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:22] Ken: Not whether they went to Harvard or community college, or they went to, you know, uh, some. Real bad school or some highly rated school, it was how involved is the parent in their education. 

[00:25:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:34] Ken: So I found that to be a, a good stable datum. Mm-hmm. So I adopted that as a stable datum. I wanted to be involved in my children’s education because that was the difference that someone who, who had hundreds and hundreds of people coming through him for educational purposes.

[00:25:52] Ken: Mm-hmm. That was the difference, right? 

[00:25:53] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:54] Ken: So one of the tools in Scientology is word clearing. 

[00:25:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:59] Ken: If you don’t [00:26:00] understand a word, you clear it up. 

[00:26:01] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:01] Ken: Right. Novel concept. It’s not taught in schools. 

[00:26:04] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:26:04] Ken: Right. You’re taught to not ask questions, don’t raise your hands. You know, that’s what you get taught in school.

[00:26:10] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:10] Ken: Because teachers, they, you know, unfortunately, they either don’t have the technology or they don’t have the time. 

[00:26:16] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:26:16] Ken: Right. You got one teacher, 60 kids. If each one raises their hand, you got no time to teach. 

[00:26:21] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Right? 

[00:26:22] Ken: So put your hand down, stop talking. No questions. Look at this board. You gotta remember this.

[00:26:28] Ken: ’cause this is on the test. Mm-hmm. And it’s filled with five words that they have no clue what they are, but they’re trying really hard to remember that for their test, right? 

[00:26:36] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:37] Ken: So I took this word clearing technology, that LRH all and Hubbard, uh, developed and used it with my kids every single day without fail.

[00:26:47] Ken: 15 to 20 minutes every night when they got home. It was time that I spent with them. 

[00:26:53] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:54] Ken: You know, and we had fun. So it wasn’t a chore. Uh, and I just went through their school [00:27:00] materials. What does this mean? What does that mean? What does this mean? And when there was something they didn’t understand, I opened up the dictionary and said, well, this is what it means.

[00:27:08] Ken: And I would say, every other word that we cleared, you could see this light bulb turn on in them. They would be like, oh, now I understand. Oh, that’s what she was saying. Oh, now I know how to do it. 

[00:27:24] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:25] Ken: And it all just came down to word clearing. You know, it’s like the simplest thing. Pull out a dictionary and just clear the words that are in the materials.

[00:27:32] Ken: So I did that every day from kindergarten through elementary school. 

[00:27:38] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:38] Ken: Um, and because of that, our kids were straight A students. Um, they never failed a test. Uh, they were extremely helpful and kind in school. They would help other kids, they would help the teach teacher. Um, they had this [00:28:00] amazing mentality with others in school.

[00:28:02] Ken: You know, our, our daughter in first or second grade, uh, uh, the teacher called us in because there was some upset and Callie was somehow involved in this upset. So I asked Callie what happened and she said, well, my friend, I just wanna be friends with everyone. That’s her response. Right. And she’s like, but this friend and this friend don’t like getting along.

[00:28:27] Ken: So, so we worked out okay, you know, how can you, you know, how can you deal with this situation? But, and our son as well, you know, he wanted to be friends with everyone. 

[00:28:37] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:38] Ken: And we associate that, or attribute that to the word clearing that we did with them because, uh, I, I don’t know if you’ve ever spoken to somebody who had misunderstoods, they go, like, they, they, they have these outbursts, right?

[00:28:54] Ken: They react, you know, you have a misunderstood word and you react. Mm-hmm. Because of [00:29:00] that, it’s not that you’re a good or bad person, that’s just what a misunderstood word causes. 

[00:29:04] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:29:04] Ken: So they didn’t have this, so they were genuinely kind and caring and helpful. So I did that through their entire elementary and uh, and.

[00:29:16] Ken: I would say that is the one thing that has made the most difference in raising our children. 

[00:29:23] Aaron: That’s amazing. 

[00:29:23] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:29:24] Aaron: And so, and how, like, by the way, for, for guys at work, I, I do something similar. I probably need to put a little bit more time. Uh, but every time I hear you I’m like, okay, I’m gonna do this every day.

[00:29:36] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:29:36] Aaron: Haven’t stuck to it, but, 

[00:29:37] Ken: okay. So 

[00:29:38] Aaron: here, go. 

[00:29:38] Ken: Now our daughter is 13. Yeah. Right? So she’s in middle school. Our son is, uh, just turned 16 and he’s doing his, uh, training to become an auditor. 

[00:29:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:48] Ken: Um, and they both want to start living their life. 

[00:29:52] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:53] Ken: Right. Me as a dad, I’m no longer the top priority.

[00:29:57] Ken: I’m not the opinion leader. You know, they start looking to [00:30:00] others for, for opinions mm-hmm. And stuff like that, which is fine. You know, may not be a heartwarming on my side, but I know, you know, they, they grow up. Yeah. Right. They want to become their own, their own adult. 

[00:30:12] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:13] Ken: And they’re actively working on that.

[00:30:16] Ken: So having, going through this right now, I wish I spent even more time with them, you know, because those moments, they’re so precious. The more time you can spend with your kids, the better. 

[00:30:33] Aaron: Yeah. And here you have an active thing. You’re helping them solve what they’re immuno most of their day is at school learning something.

[00:30:39] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:30:39] Aaron: And so you’re helping them with what they need help with. 

[00:30:42] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:30:42] Aaron: And, and so how was, like over time were they like, Hey, I need help with this? Or, or like, how, I don’t know, I’m just wondering kind of the, the, the flow, right. How easygoing it is, or they’re like, oh dad, like, do we have to do this? Or how, how does it, I don’t know.

[00:30:56] Aaron: How, how, how is it? 

[00:30:57] Ken: Yeah. Well, there were some, when we first started it was like, [00:31:00] I don’t want to do this. 

[00:31:00] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:31:01] Ken: Right. 

[00:31:01] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:31:03] Ken: I attribute that. 

[00:31:05] Aaron: To the misunderstood word. 

[00:31:05] Ken: To the misunderstood word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn’t wanna do it. 

[00:31:08] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:31:08] Ken: And every single word I asked, they did not know. 

[00:31:12] Aaron: Right. 

[00:31:12] Ken: They had some invented definition that they just created.

[00:31:15] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:31:16] Ken: Or they had no clue. 

[00:31:18] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:19] Ken: Or they said, well, my friend told me it was this, you know, which was totally wrong. 

[00:31:23] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:31:23] Ken: I had nothing to do with what the word was. 

[00:31:25] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:31:26] Ken: Um, so after about maybe the first week or two of doing it, then they looked forward to it. 

[00:31:31] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:33] Ken: Uh, and then after that, uh, I would say after the first school year of doing it, then the next school year I’d start asking questions like, what does this word mean?

[00:31:44] Ken: Yeah. Oh, I already asked my teacher what that word means, and she told me it means this. Right. They started taking their own initiative and clearing the words before they even came to me. Um. By the third year they had their own dictionary. 

[00:31:55] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:56] Ken: They were clearing their own words because they knew when I got home [00:32:00] it was time to check over.

[00:32:01] Ken: It’s okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So they wanted to make sure that they knew. Um, and then by the fourth school year, nine tenths of the words that I checked them out on, they knew. 

[00:32:11] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:32:12] Ken: So it, it got easier and the easier it got, the more they created a game out of it. 

[00:32:16] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:17] Ken: Uh, there were definitely times where they’re like, do we have to do this today?

[00:32:20] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:32:21] Ken: Uh, those were the days where I found the most misunderstood words. 

[00:32:23] Aaron: Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. 

[00:32:25] Ken: Um, but, 

[00:32:27] Aaron: but that’s like cool, like, you know, most kids didn’t even want to like, I don’t know about most, but at least when I was around pretty much the people that I knew did not want to be in school. Same.

[00:32:36] Aaron: I mean, that’s kind of a normal attitude. Same. And how, I mean at Straight A’s I’m imagining they’re not really that reluctant about school. 

[00:32:42] Ken: No. Our son did a test in school, I think it was his fifth or sixth grade. Fifth grade. I think Uhhuh, he missed one question on this test. Um, when he got the score from the teacher, it was like a 90, 98 [00:33:00] 0.5%.

[00:33:00] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:01] Ken: Right. Which is an a plus. He emailed the teacher, what did I miss on this test where I didn’t get a hundred percent? 

[00:33:09] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:33:10] Ken: How did I miss something? I don’t understand. 

[00:33:12] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:33:12] Ken: This isn’t like, he, he wasn’t okay. He 

[00:33:15] Aaron: was 

[00:33:16] Ken: offended. He was offended. The teacher responded, saying, don’t worry. You know, you got an A plus.

[00:33:21] Ken: You did really good. And his response was, well, for me, if I don’t get a hundred percent, then I miss something. 

[00:33:28] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:33:28] Ken: You know, like that’s his mentality. 

[00:33:30] Aaron: Right. 

[00:33:31] Ken: That’s his mentality today. 

[00:33:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:33] Ken: You know, and the same with our daughter. She just, I just received an email a week ago from her English teacher because they changed the grading system in the school.

[00:33:44] Ken: From, I dunno, you know, they keep changing stuff in school. Mm-hmm. So they changed the grading system in school, which affected how her grade looked. So she thought her grade dropped. She went and like jumped all over the teacher about this, and the teacher said, don’t worry, it’s just the way [00:34:00] it’s being reported, and I’m gonna give you a few extra credits because you’re doing really good.

[00:34:03] Ken: And then she sent us an email about how, uh, amazing. And, and, uh, you know, uh, uh, healthy and strong-willed and, uh, you know, wonderful young woman that we’ve raised. Mm-hmm. You know, she can see that this is somebody who genuinely cares in life about what she’s, uh, accomplishing. 

[00:34:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:23] Ken: And, and I know without certainty that this is because of the care that we put into our children’s upbringing, through their schooling.

[00:34:32] Ken: So 

[00:34:33] Aaron: without, you said, without certainty, without, without a doubt, 

[00:34:36] Ken: without a doubt. Without any uncertainty there. It’s, 

[00:34:41] Aaron: that’s amazing. Okay. Um, can you tell me, ’cause you’ve been, so, you’ve been seeing the materials as they go, like all the stuff that they study and So California, you hear a lot of stuff right?

[00:34:51] Aaron: About school, private school, public school. 

[00:34:53] Ken: Oh, get me started. 

[00:34:53] Aaron: Are private school or private public school. What school? 

[00:34:55] Ken: Uh, so they did a public school. 

[00:34:57] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:34:57] Ken: Um, and, but the public [00:35:00] school that we put them in Yeah. ’cause we went and we visited every school. 

[00:35:04] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:35:05] Ken: Um, the public school that we ended up putting them in was a school that was, uh, much smaller.

[00:35:11] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:12] Ken: So her classes had maybe 15 to 20 kids tops. 

[00:35:16] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:35:16] Ken: Per teacher. Uh, so lots of teacher student interaction and. Um, and I discovered through this particular school system that schools are funded by the government based on the, um, the level of income housing around them. 

[00:35:33] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:35:33] Ken: So the lower, the more lower income housing, the more government funding, the more government influences put into a school.

[00:35:40] Aaron: Sure. 

[00:35:40] Ken: This particular school didn’t have much low income housing around it. So the school required, uh, as part of your kids going there more, uh, parent interaction. 

[00:35:52] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:35:52] Ken: So there was a lot of parent interaction and parent donations to make the school perform. 

[00:35:57] Aaron: Oh, wow. 

[00:35:57] Ken: So it was a public school, but it was [00:36:00] almost treated private in a way.

[00:36:03] Ken: So, 

[00:36:04] Aaron: so, so tell me like over the last whatever years, right? Like 10 years in, in the school system. Yeah. How have you seen these, the, the, the stuff that they bring home to study? How has it changed? You’re in California, you’re at like the heat of like, whatever schooling, uh, controversies. 

[00:36:17] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:36:18] Aaron: What have you seen in the stuff that these kids are studying these days?

[00:36:20] Ken: It gets more complicated to get the same result. 

[00:36:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:24] Ken: Uh, common core is an example. 

[00:36:26] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:26] Ken: You know, my son, when he was in third or fourth grade, brought home this like common core math sheet and it was, uh, I think it was, it was multiplication and you had to put the numbers up here and put the numbers down here and fill in these grids and, and then add all these grids up and it results in some number.

[00:36:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:47] Ken: Right? It, it results in the right number. 

[00:36:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:50] Ken: But it’s this whole complicated way to get to it. So I, I, so, so I did this. I said, alright Braden, you want me to show you something really cool? I’m [00:37:00] gonna teach you a way to get the same answer that takes like four seconds. And I showed him, you know how I did math when I was in school?

[00:37:09] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:10] Ken: Um, and I said, this is how you do it here, here, and you add it here, here, and here’s your answer. And he was like, how’d you do that?

[00:37:21] Ken: So, so, because the schools were going in this direction of adding in complexities mm-hmm. I taught them in each subject how I was taught. 

[00:37:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:34] Ken: So that they would have both as a comparison. Um, and then when they did tests, they would be required, some tests would require, they showed their, their whole common core math formula.

[00:37:45] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:45] Ken: And some wouldn’t require that. And when it wasn’t required, then they would just do it, you know, the way that I had taught them. 

[00:37:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:51] Ken: So they, they have multiple ways to accomplish the same thing. Um, but more complicated. In terms of the, uh, [00:38:00] uh, the work that they had to do. 

[00:38:01] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:02] Ken: And then they started introducing just unnecessary stuff.

[00:38:07] Ken: You know, 

[00:38:07] Aaron: for example, 

[00:38:08] Ken: for example, they’d get, um, when our son went to middle school the first year, maybe, uh, into the first trimester outcomes, this psychological survey. 

[00:38:24] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:26] Ken: Mm-hmm. You know, do you, you know, what, what gender are you? 

[00:38:30] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:38:30] Ken: Do you really feel like you’re a man or a boy or a girl? Uh, what, what are your thoughts on this subject?

[00:38:37] Ken: You know, and it’s like some survey that the school was required to do 

[00:38:43] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:38:43] Ken: As part of getting the government funding. Oh. So I don’t know that the school itself, you know, I, I don’t, I don’t know what to make of it. 

[00:38:51] Aaron: Sure, sure. 

[00:38:52] Ken: But. Yeah. 

[00:38:55] Aaron: And how did you find out about that? I mean, he didn’t just do it in the house, it’s like a take home thing or like, [00:39:00] or he just came to you after he did the test or how 

[00:39:01] Ken: did that he, he came after the test and he is like, yeah, we, well, it wasn’t a test, it was like a survey.

[00:39:05] Aaron: Exactly. Whatever. Yeah. 

[00:39:06] Ken: So he is like, so we had this like weird survey and I was like, well, what’s weird about it? And then, you know, he is describing it and I was like, oh my God. Okay, so let’s start researching homeschooling programs. 

[00:39:18] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:18] Ken: Um, and then, uh, we sent in communications to the principals and the teachers saying that if any of these surveys are, uh, being issued, we do not consent.

[00:39:30] Ken: Mm-hmm. You can send it to us first and we’ll review it and let you know if we are okay with this being given to our children. Uh, and then at the end of the first school year in middle school for our son, uh, he kind of did the same thing I did. He kind of advanced out of the school. He’s like, I’m not really learning anything.

[00:39:49] Ken: I wanna go to school because I get to do track. I get to run in school. That was why he liked going to school. Mm-hmm. Um, coupled with these surveys that [00:40:00] were being done and not really focused on true education, uh, we decided to pull ’em out of public school and put ’em into a homeschool program. 

[00:40:08] Aaron: Okay.

[00:40:09] Ken: Which we did through Applied Scholastics online. They have amazing programs. Uh, he’s doing absolutely phenomenal. Uh, he’s got maybe another month to go and then he’ll get his high school diploma, uh, with honors and he just turned 16. 

[00:40:24] Aaron: Nice. Okay. Wow. 

[00:40:26] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:40:27] Aaron: Okay. And then, so, uh, and your, your daughter, I’m assuming they, did they give the same test?

[00:40:31] Aaron: Is this is like all for all ages or, or she’s not there where they’re give her that, that test or that 

[00:40:37] Ken: whatever exam. So she, we put her into a different school, a different middle school. ’cause it was smaller. 

[00:40:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:44] Ken: Um, they did have similar surveys that they were going to do, but we. We’re ahead of it. So we let them know, you know, we’re not okay with any of this.

[00:40:54] Ken: She’s here for education. Um, so it’s, it’s been [00:41:00] not as bad, but we’re not putting her in a public high school. You know, we’ll put her in a, uh, an educational driven public high school, uh, sorry, uh, private high school. 

[00:41:14] Aaron: Mm. Okay. Interesting. 

[00:41:16] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:41:16] Aaron: Okay. So, and, and I, I, I wanna go back to like, there’s some things that are helpful and some things that are not helpful, right?

[00:41:24] Aaron: So if you go and you’re gonna, I don’t know, post on social media about how common core is the end of the universe and this, and how you hate all of school. I don’t know. Like, let’s just say, 

[00:41:33] Ken: yeah, 

[00:41:33] Aaron: like, if you do that, it doesn’t really change like your child, right? Like, I mean No, it doesn’t. I, I just, I know that’s like the response some people have is like all whatever, and it’s go online.

[00:41:42] Aaron: But in your case, it’s like, no, here’s my children. And you’re connected enough with them. So when that happens, you’re like, okay, good. Here’s this other way. And you’re actually really showing them the things they need to learn. Yeah. Right. And whether it’s only 40 minutes a day or whatever, it’s that you’re, you’re, you know, you’re putting in, you actually [00:42:00] circumvent the, like the government dictating your child’s education by just by being there.

[00:42:07] Ken: Yeah. Yeah. And, and the more involved you are with your children, the more they’re gonna tell you. 

[00:42:10] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:42:10] Ken: Right. So they would tell us everything. 

[00:42:12] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:14] Ken: Um, and then when there were things that would come up that were non optimum in my eyes as a parent with raising my children. 

[00:42:21] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:42:22] Ken: Then I would go to the source, I’d go to the principal, or I’d go to the teacher, or I’d go to the parent of the other kid and say, look, this is what I found out.

[00:42:32] Ken: This is what’s happening. Let me know if this is wrong. If it’s not wrong, then I don’t agree with this. 

[00:42:38] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:42:39] Ken: And they’re my children. They’re not the school’s children. Right. So the school has to follow your instructions. Mm-hmm. You know, they, they can’t make your children do something that you disagree with.

[00:42:51] Aaron: So is that, is that a, I dunno if that’s at all everywhere. I mean, maybe, 

[00:42:55] Ken: I don’t know. I just dunno. I mean, in California I sent ’em a letter. I say, you do this [00:43:00] again, we’re gonna have troubles. Yeah. And they don’t do it again. 

[00:43:02] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:43:02] Ken: So 

[00:43:03] Aaron: that worked out. 

[00:43:03] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:43:04] Aaron: Okay. Good, good, good. Um, so do you think, right, like, I don’t know how much of the history, you know, but like when, and if you don’t know this, I know you’re not an education expert, you’re like, we should talk about money and mortgage and stuff.

[00:43:22] Aaron: But like, do you know when it became like a thing where the government is the one who’s supposed to teach your child? 

[00:43:28] Ken: I don’t know the answer to that, but I know that there was a big push in some presidential administration on the Department of Education 

[00:43:38] Aaron: mm-hmm. 

[00:43:38] Ken: To take over schooling. 

[00:43:40] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:40] Ken: Or to have a bigger influence in schooling versus the state running the schooling.

[00:43:48] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:49] Ken: And I believe, but I’m not sure. 

[00:43:53] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:43:53] Ken: That, that was kind of a point where it started going south than in, in my view. 

[00:43:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. [00:44:00] 

[00:44:00] Ken: But I, I’d have to do more research on that. Fair 

[00:44:02] Aaron: enough. Anyway, so you have great kids. That’s amazing. 

[00:44:05] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:44:05] Aaron: Um, and now for, for, for business, right. So, one thing that, that I guess a lot of the people listening may or may not know, um, you’ve studied a lot of courses, right?

[00:44:21] Aaron: Like I, I mean a lot, like, like many, 

[00:44:23] Ken: yeah. I’ve done a lot of, a lot of training. Uh, yeah. For, for life purposes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, how to, how to be a better individual, how to help others, how. A lot of training like that. 

[00:44:42] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Like a, uh, having a happy baby course. 

[00:44:45] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:44:45] Aaron: You did that one. Or like, uh, raising, 

[00:44:47] Ken: raising teens and tweens.

[00:44:49] Ken: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:44:49] Aaron: Yeah. So, so there’s like, inside all you’re studying how to be, how to have like 

[00:44:53] Ken: a 

[00:44:53] Aaron: midlife. 

[00:44:53] Ken: Yeah. Yeah. How to have good skills, you know, because I tell you, and, and I, I didn’t [00:45:00] believe this until my kids started turning 13, 14, 15. When they turn into a teen, they are a different person. 

[00:45:07] Aaron: Oh, right, right.

[00:45:07] Aaron: Oh yeah. 

[00:45:07] Ken: The hormones start happening and uh, you know, the whole puberty thing. And then the friends that they’re associating with it, it, they change. 

[00:45:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:17] Ken: Right. So maybe your stable datums that you’ve been operating with. Up to that point, no longer work. 

[00:45:24] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:45:25] Ken: Right. So I found on this, uh, one course in our church, raising teens and tweens, it gives new stable datums of how to have a successful relationship with your teen and tween when they’re going through that.

[00:45:39] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:39] Ken: You know, that time of their life and, uh, extremely helpful. So I’ll put a plug, do that course if you can. You know, 

[00:45:48] Aaron: interesting. I, I’m, I’ll be having a teen soon. 

[00:45:51] Ken: Yeah. And it’s a, it’s super simple course. I mean, it, it takes what, a couple hours to do the course. Yeah, 

[00:45:55] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:45:56] Ken: And it gives you tools that you can apply [00:46:00] with your teen and your tween to give them the freedoms that they now want, but keep them in a, you know, uh, focused on where they need to be going.

[00:46:11] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Brilliant. And then in, so in terms of business, so like, um, I know we went over this on, on the other podcast, like all the stuff that you’ve been doing, but. What kind of training did you do? Because did, did you go to college or you didn’t go to college or, 

[00:46:25] Ken: no, I, I dropped out of, uh, middle school.

[00:46:28] Aaron: Okay. Month school. That’s right. Yeah. You, you mentioned that. So, so like what, like, did you study or, or did you said, Hey, you wanna make money, and then you didn’t, you drive was so big like nothing mattered. Or you’re like, Hey, I need to make money now. I need to go study this so when I can make, you know, do this business and have success and like, what’s your kind of like the drive, because of course the purpose is there.

[00:46:48] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:46:49] Aaron: But like, then you’re gonna, you need to know something. Right? You can’t just like, 

[00:46:52] Ken: yeah. 

[00:46:53] Aaron: Go out there. Like, I’ll make it. And then 

[00:46:56] Ken: that’s been, um, I, I, a big learning curve for [00:47:00] me. Right. Because I was always productive as an individual. 

[00:47:03] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:04] Ken: Uh, as a loan officer, I could get loans done as a house flipper, I could get house flip house houses flipped.

[00:47:10] Ken: Right. And then, um, my father passed away in 2021. Mm-hmm. Prior to that I had a, you know, a rental company, but that was real easy to manage and maintain because I had flipped houses. So, you know, really wasn’t hard. Um, but in 2021, my father passed away and he was the broker of our mortgage company. 

[00:47:34] Aaron: Mm-hmm.

[00:47:36] Ken: Uh, as soon as you find out that you no longer have a broker and a mortgage company, that creates lots of problems, right? 

[00:47:41] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:42] Ken: You can’t operate a mortgage company without a licensed broker. So that compelled me to go and do my, uh, uh, department of real Estate in California, uh, broker training and, and licensing.

[00:47:56] Ken: Mm-hmm. Which took, you know, some months to get through [00:48:00] that, that allowed me to be a broker of a company in real estate and financing, but it didn’t teach me how to run a company. Right. But, so I would say. I started with the companies just out of necessity. You know, I have to do this. Um, and then after that I started connecting up with others who have successful companies 

[00:48:28] Aaron: mm-hmm.

[00:48:29] Ken: To find out what are they doing, what are they studying, and that’s how I started learning and growing my educational skills in running and operating a business. And building a business. You know, yourself, you’ve got massive, you know, companies. Mm-hmm. You talk about successful, you know, um, uh, and then we have a number of other, you know, mutual friends who are, you know, own and operate large companies.

[00:48:54] Ken: So I would sit down with them and pick their brain. 

[00:48:57] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:58] Ken: Find out what did they study, what did [00:49:00] they learn, get recommendations, order all those books, study them, start applying them. 

[00:49:07] Aaron: Yeah. Reading, reading is so important. 

[00:49:09] Ken: Yeah. You know, there’s, there’s a 

[00:49:10] Aaron: stat that I, that I read that, uh, something like.

[00:49:16] Aaron: After a person graduates college, like on average. So, I dunno, 70, 80% of people after college will read their last nonfiction book of their life when they finish college. 

[00:49:29] Ken: Really? 

[00:49:29] Aaron: Some rid, like, it’s a ridiculous number. And, and I’ll have to pull that up and like, put it in here. But like, it is, I wouldn’t even 

[00:49:34] Ken: surprised.

[00:49:35] Aaron: Like it’s, it’s, it’s such a small, maybe 90%. It’s like a lot. 

[00:49:40] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:49:40] Aaron: And uh, you know, when I see someone like yourself like, Hey, you’re reading books, like I will, like, you can see the shelf. I have books here. Like I’m reading. I, if I didn’t read, I don’t know, eight books in a year, I feel like I, I know that’s not like that much.

[00:49:54] Aaron: Like obviously, I don’t know, there’s a, uh, I think Warren Buffett or like one a Week or Bill Gates one a week or [00:50:00] whoever. I don’t know. Uh, 

[00:50:00] Ken: I need to up my reading 

[00:50:01] Aaron: something. Yeah. It’s like, it is like insane. Um, but yeah, finding out you need to learn. Yeah. Like learning is, is so 

[00:50:07] Ken: vital, but there’s so much information out there.

[00:50:09] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:50:10] Ken: Right. So it’s finding out and getting and, and getting that information. You could go on Amazon and look up books to build a business, you’ll get 50 pages of a hundred books on each page. You know, what do you start with? And half of them might have false information in it. 

[00:50:25] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:26] Ken: Mm-hmm. So, uh, for me it was connecting up with other successful business owners.

[00:50:30] Ken: What did they do? What did they do that failed? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Find those pitfalls so you can avoid them. 

[00:50:36] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:37] Ken: And what did they study and learn so that they can, uh, build a better, build a better business, you know? Yep. 

[00:50:43] Aaron: Nice. Is there, is there, what are, what recommendations would you have? Like, hey, someone’s starting off, like they want to do better.

[00:50:49] Aaron: Like, what is, what are your, your foundational stuff or like, did this, this was something I needed to Scientology or not like, whatever, but what is something that like found fundamentally for you to [00:51:00] succeed in business? Like, here are some tips, like, you need to know this stuff. 

[00:51:04] Ken: I think, I think my favorite book to date, which.

[00:51:09] Ken: I don’t know if Whitney recommended this or someone else. Uh, it’s called the e the E myth. 

[00:51:15] Aaron: Oh, E myth. E myth Revisited or 

[00:51:18] Ken: something. Yeah, E Myth Revisited by 

[00:51:20] Aaron: somebody, 

[00:51:20] Ken: Gerald Olli or something like that. Okay. Uh, it, uh, and the e is the entrepreneur. Mm-hmm. So it’s the entrepreneurial myth. You know, someone who’s a successful, uh, technician, right?

[00:51:32] Ken: Mm-hmm. They’re really good at doing loans. Mm-hmm. Which is what I was. Mm-hmm. Or they’re a really good mechanic, or they’re really good at making, uh, fros. 

[00:51:41] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:42] Ken: So they wanna start a business just because they’re good at making, making that or doing loans doesn’t mean that they know anything about a business.

[00:51:52] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:52] Ken: They know the one function, but they don’t know all the other functions that are involved in a business. All the financing and [00:52:00] all the executive things that you need to do and all, all the HR regulations. And I’m in California, oh my. You know, I’m wearing a hat because I’m going bald from all the HR regulations, but Right.

[00:52:14] Ken: So the E-Myth, uh, defined or redefined or visited or something like that, uh, that book allowed me to start pulling out of being the one who does everything. 

[00:52:26] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:28] Ken: So that I can start working on all these other things. 

[00:52:30] Aaron: Mm. Nice. 

[00:52:32] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:52:32] Aaron: I check out that book. 

[00:52:33] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:52:35] Aaron: Okay. Amazing. Um, so what about like, I, because we talked about some of your business stuff, and again, business, we have a, how about on the other podcast?

[00:52:43] Aaron: Yeah. Um, your children. Now what about like, you and you and Ari, right? You’re marriage, you and married for 22 years, right? You guys are, are you look happy, you look really like you have great kids. You just overall have like. Good role models. Okay. In my, in my eyes. 

[00:52:57] Ken: Yeah. We love each other. Uh, we’ve been married [00:53:00] since 2003, so 22 years now.

[00:53:03] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:04] Ken: Uh, we live together, we work together, we exercise together, we read together, we study together. Our entire life is done together. 

[00:53:14] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:53:14] Ken: There’s very little that we do apart from each other. 

[00:53:16] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:53:17] Ken: Um, in fact, I’m here in Florida just visiting our church just for a few days. If Rie were here, it would probably be the three of us doing this.

[00:53:26] Aaron: Yeah. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:53:27] Ken: Um, and let’s see. I would say we have a very successful marriage and relationship again because of the tools that I’ve learned and that my wife has learned in Scientology, uh, having a successful marriage. It’s another, you know, life improvement course that, uh, that we have.

[00:53:47] Ken: Um, we’re truthful with each other. Uh, we are constantly working. To refine what our goals are together. Mm-hmm. So that we’re always [00:54:00] on the same page. Mm. Trying to accomplish the same thing. Um, and that’s on every aspect of our life with our children, with our health and fitness and with our businesses, with our charitable contributions that we do.

[00:54:15] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:16] Ken: Um, you know, with our house rebuilding, you know, that was quite an ordeal, rebuilding a house after we lost the fires. Uh, that if you ever rebuild your own house, that will test your patients. 

[00:54:29] Aaron: I mean, I’ve been to, your house is incredible. Your house is amazing. Thank you. I mean, I’m just, you guys did a, I mean, that house is like stunning, 

[00:54:36] Ken: honestly.

[00:54:36] Ken: Yeah. Thank you. 

[00:54:37] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:54:38] Ken: Yeah. So, uh, but. Always being on the same page. Mm-hmm. And the moment we find that we’re veering from the same page, that’s when we revisit our goals and our purposes. 

[00:54:49] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:54:50] Ken: And okay, her goal is here and my goal is here. What if we work on this? It’s kind of a combination of the two, not exactly what she was initially going for, not exactly what I was going for, [00:55:00] but some kind of compromise that we’re both really happy about.

[00:55:02] Ken: And now we’re both focused on that goal. Mm-hmm. You know, um, and we, we revisit those goals religiously once a year. And, uh, if we find that we’re faltering or exceeding those goals, then we’ll revisit them throughout the year to, uh, you know, redefine them. So 

[00:55:23] Aaron: Nice. You being at the top of the bridge, right?

[00:55:27] Aaron: You’re OT eight. 

[00:55:27] Ken: Yes. 

[00:55:28] Aaron: Right. What, what is that? Like? You know, I’m not there. Right. So, so the top, top of the bridge, Scientology Bridge, you have, you’ve, you’ve seen everything. You’ve learned everything, right? Like. What is it, you know, being OT eight, what difference is that making in your life? 

[00:55:45] Ken: Wow. Um, let’s see.

[00:55:47] Ken: Every step of the bridge has its own attainment, right? Mm-hmm. You do the purification rundown and you cleanse your body of toxins that are holding you back. 

[00:55:55] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:56] Ken: Uh, you achieve the state of clear and you get rid of [00:56:00] that, that reactive mind that’s described and the dianetics of modern science and mental health that’s inhibiting you from achieving, you know, from going in the goal direction that you want, right?

[00:56:12] Ken: Mm-hmm. Uh, then you start climbing the OT levels, and when you hit OT eight and uh, and you do this absolutely spectacular rundown, um, I find that any limits that you’ve ever seen for yourself are gone. You no longer have limits, right? A lot of people talk about, well, they’ve hit a glass ceiling. When you, when you do OT eight, there is no glass ceiling that’s been removed.

[00:56:45] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:46] Ken: Um, so you have like this unlimitless reach to do whatever it is that you wanna do. You are uninhibited by anything and there is nothing that will stop you [00:57:00] except for maybe lack of an education. 

[00:57:03] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:04] Ken: So then you go read a book and get educated on it. Um, I mean, there are other personal spiritual wins that I’ve had from that, but I would say how it’s most affected me in life is, is, is that way.

[00:57:20] Aaron: Nice. And, and, uh, so you, did you, I’m assuming that you did it at a different time than your wife? 

[00:57:25] Ken: I did it almost one year to the date. Before my wife. Okay. I finished mine in May of 2017, and then my wife finished o OT eight in May of 2018. 

[00:57:37] Aaron: Okay. And, and, and seeing her, like, did you see any changes with her after going through that?

[00:57:45] Ken: Um, well, you know, my wife Yeah, of course, of course. She’s like, she is the definition of enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 

[00:57:53] Aaron: yeah. 

[00:57:54] Ken: Um, so with my wife, [00:58:00] um, I saw her desire to help others increase. 

[00:58:07] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:07] Ken: Right. And she’s always had this immense desire to help others. 

[00:58:10] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:11] Ken: But, um, a again, it, it comes down to this reach, right?

[00:58:15] Ken: This, you get kind of hit this glass ceiling. She’s helping people in this vicinity. When she finished OT eight, all of a sudden she’s helping people in Africa and she’s helping people, uh, in the United Kingdom. And, you know, she’s helping people all over the world who just, who want help. And she’s like, I’ll help you.

[00:58:38] Ken: And she jumps in, rolls up her sleeves and, you know, pulls out some LRH technology and was like, well, if we do this one, this should solve your problem. And then she does that and it solves their problem and they’re like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then she gets ’em to go do one of these life improvement courses and, um, and end up [00:59:00] resolving someone’s life that she had no connection, not even in the same city.

[00:59:05] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:05] Ken: Or state or country. 

[00:59:06] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:07] Ken: Right. So her desire has always been to help others. And when she finished OT eight, that desire just like. It has no bounds anymore. 

[00:59:16] Aaron: Yeah. Nice. And, and, and on the, unlike the spiritual nature, right? Yeah. Like this is, I mean, ology is a religion for a reason. Yeah. 

[00:59:25] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:59:25] Aaron: Right.

[00:59:25] Aaron: This, it’s dealing with a, with the person, it deals 

[00:59:27] with 

[00:59:27] Ken: the spirit. Yeah. 

[00:59:28] Aaron: And at least from what I’ve seen, right. From what the things I’ve done so far. Like sometimes there, there are some things that occur 

[00:59:34] Ken: mm-hmm. 

[00:59:35] Aaron: That are sort of inexplicable. 

[00:59:38] Ken: Yes. There are. 

[00:59:39] Aaron: Like, like how, like what, how did this happen?

[00:59:42] Aaron: Like, you can’t say like, oh, I read, I did this line, I did this thing and this happened. It’s like, things just just happen differently. 

[00:59:48] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:59:49] Aaron: What, what have you noticed, like now for you, yourself personally, now that you’ve done, you know 

[00:59:54] Ken: Yeah. 

[00:59:55] Aaron: The bridge. 

[00:59:56] Ken: Well, I, I would say, I mean, there’s all sorts of [01:00:00] odd cause and effects, like what you’re saying.

[01:00:01] Ken: Mm-hmm. You know, read this book and then all of a sudden this long last. Friend calls out of the blue, and the book that I was reading was about connecting with people, you know? Right. Um, but I would say, uh, when you want something, you are consciously deciding if you want it or if you want it with conditions.

[01:00:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:23] Ken: Or if you don’t think you’re ever gonna get it. 

[01:00:24] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:25] Ken: Right. So you’re setting a goal for yourself. You know, in Scientology we call it a postulate. 

[01:00:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:30] Ken: You’re setting a postulate, I want this, or I am going to have that, or this is going to happen. 

[01:00:35] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:36] Ken: Right. And when the spirit is burdened by things that, um, uh, have happened over time mm-hmm.

[01:00:47] Ken: You know, traumatic experiences or upsets or losses or, uh, injuries. Mm-hmm. Uh, his ability, the, you know, the spirit’s ability to make that postulate [01:01:00] get hampered. Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:02] Aaron: Right? Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:02] Ken: He. When he’s all burdened, he might say, it would be nice if I could have a business. 

[01:01:09] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:10] Ken: You know, you can already see he’s, he’s kind of putting it there that it’s gonna be hard for him.

[01:01:14] Ken: He can’t quite do it. 

[01:01:15] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:01:16] Ken: Right. When you, when you get up the bridge, you don’t have these things that get in your way. 

[01:01:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. They’re 

[01:01:21] Ken: like, you know, uh, this year we’re gonna, we’re gonna three x our business at the end of the year. You look at your stats, oh my God, we three x the business. Yeah. You know, it just happens.

[01:01:32] Ken: Yeah. Yeah. Things happen. You know, I, I need to get ahold of my aunt who I haven’t spoken to in a couple years because I found this thing of hers and I need to figure out where to send it to. She emails me. 

[01:01:42] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:01:43] Ken: You know, things just happen because I have, I’m able to put a postulate there that doesn’t have anything, uh, holding the postulate back, and that is probably one of the best.

[01:01:59] Ken: Results [01:02:00] of auditing, you know, and processing and moving up the, uh, you know, the different levels in Scientology. 

[01:02:05] Aaron: Beautiful. Okay. Now last question, uh, in your own words, what is Scientology? 

[01:02:12] Ken: Um, in my own words, all, well, Scientology is the, uh, is the study of knowledge, the study of knowing how to know something and the route of spiritual betterment for yourself and others.

[01:02:31] Aaron: Nice. 

[01:02:31] Ken: There you 

[01:02:32] Aaron: go. Great And concise. 

[01:02:33] Ken: Yeah. 

[01:02:34] Aaron: Nice. Uh, okay. Good. Any, any, uh, any parting words, anything you want to, you wanna share? That’s your chance? 

[01:02:43] Ken: Here’s my chance. 

[01:02:43] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:02:44] Ken: Um, well, it’s always a pleasure coming in here and getting to meet with you. Um, and, uh, if you get a chance to check out any of his.

[01:02:53] Ken: Podcasts and his products. He’s got some amazing stuff. So do do that. Um, next time my [01:03:00] wife is in town, you gotta interview her. Absolutely. Maybe the two of us together. A hundred 

[01:03:02] Aaron: percent. 

[01:03:03] Ken: I would say, uh, if you want to check out Scientology, see what it can do for you. Uh, there are courses in learning how to learn if you stumble or not sure how to clear a word, there’s courses for that.

[01:03:16] Ken: Uh, if you have children, wanna have children, uh, you’re married, wanna get married, there are very simple courses for that. And, uh, and they will improve your life. So 

[01:03:28] Aaron: there you go. I, I wanted to, I don’t know if this might be like a serious question, I might ask some other people too, but you deal with a lot of guys, a lot of people, women 

[01:03:35] Ken: Yeah.

[01:03:35] Aaron: Men, whatever. 

[01:03:36] Ken: Yeah. 

[01:03:37] Aaron: And so, you know, when they find out that you’re a Scientologist, 

[01:03:42] Ken: okay. 

[01:03:43] Aaron: What is kind of like the normal reaction or what are like the most common question you might get asked? Like. When they find out if you’re assigned all if, if people are asking you stuff. 

[01:03:53] Ken: Yeah. Well, um, I would say the people who find out that I’m a S Scientologist are employees.

[01:03:59] Ken: Right. Okay. [01:04:00] The, the clients that we work with, it, it doesn’t ever really come up, but when an employee finds out that we’re a Scientologist, what usually happens is they get very interested because they see that we’re genuinely happy, we care for people, and we’re trying to build, you know, giant booming businesses.

[01:04:19] Ken: Mm-hmm. So, and we, um, associate that with our training and, and what we’ve done in Scientology. Mm-hmm. So 99% or 90, 98%, you know, there’s 2% who, who are like, oh my God, don’t convert me. And I’m like, I never was, you know? 

[01:04:38] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:04:38] Ken: So they kind of create their own thing, but 98% of the people who ask us about it are genuinely fascinated.

[01:04:45] Ken: They wanna read something about it, so we’ll give ’em something simple, you know, like the communication formula mm-hmm. Or, uh, the problems of workbook. 

[01:04:54] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:55] Ken: They read it and they are like, just absolutely blown away at how simple and useful [01:05:00] the tools are. Um, and, and then, let’s see, I would say about maybe two or three months later, they end up coming up to me saying, I did this, I did this tool, and it worked.

[01:05:14] Ken: It, it really worked, you know? Um, because Scientology is an applied religious philosophy, right? Mm-hmm. It’s something that you apply, you do. It’s not, it’s not like, uh, other religions where if you believe then something will happen. Mm-hmm. This is no, you do, you do this in order to get this result. 

[01:05:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm.

[01:05:32] Ken: Um, and, uh, you know, it’s a, it’s a new way of thinking. That’s why Scientology is such a new religion, you know, it’s an applied philosophy and, and there isn’t something else that’s like that. 

[01:05:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:45] Ken: Um, and, uh, Scientology’s also non-denominational or all denominational, right. So I’ve got friends who are Christians and Buddhists and, and, uh, Daoists and, you know, all the religions [01:06:00] who also practice Scientology ’cause they’re just able to use tools.

[01:06:03] Ken: So the people who ask me about it, uh, are, are genuinely interested. I show them something and then they are just floored that they haven’t heard about it before. 

[01:06:15] Aaron: Right. 

[01:06:16] Ken: Yeah. 

[01:06:16] Aaron: Amazing. Okay, well thank you so much guys. Ken Walker amazing. Uh, Scientologist father, third generation Scientologist, by the way, and helped us get started in the business world.

[01:06:27] Aaron: So if you can, 

[01:06:28] Ken: yeah. Yeah. All right. 

[01:06:29] Aaron: That’s it.