Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Jan: I spent a lot of years working as a private investigator for a lot of criminals. To this day, you can never work out how many bad things a human can do to another human. 

[00:00:11] Aaron: This program is giving back people their lives- 

[00:00:14] Jan: From my standpoint, if you teach them how to fish- 

[00:00:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[00:00:18] Jan: they’re gonna be able to catch their own fish.

[00:00:20] Jan: Mm-hmm. If you keep handing them the fish, you’re gonna be as redundant as when you started. Yep. Why would you allow women and children to suffer when you could do something about it as a man? 

[00:00:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Okay, guys, today I have a distinguished world changer who is transforming lives one person at a time, one kind act at a time.

[00:00:41] Aaron: This is Jen Underwood, who is a missions priest. He is the founder of All Saints Ministries right here. This program is giving back people their lives, is bringing them personal salvation, and returning them into the ranks of civilization, society, [00:01:00] and being members again from the down and out and coming up.

[00:01:05] Aaron: Exactly. So I really, really, really thank you for that. Um, also, your background is in private detective. You were a private detective- 

[00:01:15] Jan: Yes … 

[00:01:15] Aaron: before your missionary work. Yeah. Um, started in the seminary at 40 years old- 

[00:01:21] Jan: Yep … 

[00:01:22] Aaron: and is just really changing conditions in Sarasota, and thank you so much for coming onto the show.

[00:01:32] Aaron: You are really an example, a role model for so many. 

[00:01:35] Jan: Well, I’ve never had anybody say so many wonderful things about me in such a short period of time. So, um, I think, I think, uh, why we do what we do, and there’s an old saying in England, m- “Women and children first.” 

[00:01:53] Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:55] Jan: So my challenge to the male population of the world [00:02:00] would be why would you allow women and children to suffer when you could do something about it- Mm-hmm

[00:02:06] Jan: as a man. 

[00:02:07] Mm-hmm. 

[00:02:08] Jan: You’re meant to, um, give your life to the women and children so they could survive, right? Mm-hmm. And that’s always been the premise to the Western world, uh, you know, with armies and fighting and this. And in other countries where I’ve been, like yourself- Mm … it’s an actual fact, I found that, funnily enough, in Latin countries, it’s more predominant about the survival of the women first, and the men are much more courageous than in other countries.

[00:02:44] Mm-hmm. 

[00:02:45] Jan: But I come from England originally, and it’s sort of inherited into us and bred into us that, um, stiff upper lip, no crying, um, you know, fight for your [00:03:00] family and things like that, which is in the most part I would say for most men throughout the world. But for me, I spent a lot of years working f- as a private investigator for a lot of criminals.

[00:03:18] Jan: For, like, your- So pri- They 

[00:03:20] Aaron: hire you? Yes. 

[00:03:21] Jan: Or, 

[00:03:21] Aaron: or… Okay. 

[00:03:22] Jan: Yeah, they hire. So if you’re an attorney, you would go to… Because you’re looking to go to jail, right? Mm-hmm. For whatever crime you’ve committed. So now the prosecutor uses, obviously, the law enforcement. The defendant uses investigators. 

[00:03:40] Hmm. 

[00:03:40] Jan: So you need… So the attorney comes and says, “Okay.

[00:03:44] Jan: Well, you know, you’ve done this, this, and this. I will use my investigator to find out if this is true and if there’s enough, uh, cause beyond a reasonable doubt so that you don’t have to go to jail.” 

[00:03:55] Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:56] Jan: The minutia of [00:04:00] criminals is so Big that when you talk to people, the, um… How should I put it? The, you cannot ever, uh, to this day, you can never work out how many bad things a human can do to another human.

[00:04:19] Jan: Right. And you cannot even contemplate how bad they could do it to a child. I can understand, um, as a man, how another man can go up and hurt another man. Sure. Because, you know, you didn’t do me right, I didn’t do you right, so now we’re going to solve it ourselves. 

[00:04:39] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:40] Jan: But the big issue for me is, is n- to stop, um, the criminal element from demeaning the women and children.

[00:04:53] Jan: So, uh, you know, you and I both know, uh, William. 

[00:04:57] Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:58] Jan: And the discussion we had the other [00:05:00] night, which is the same discussion that I’ve had with other people over the years, is really a lot of the time that people do things is because they don’t have the ability to communicate correctly ’cause they don’t have the education.

[00:05:13] Mm. 

[00:05:14] Jan: So there’s a saying in English, “Stupid people do stupid things,” right? 

[00:05:17] Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:18] Jan: So if, um, for example, I was one faith and you were the other, and I can, um, articulate myself to be able to say, “Listen, this is why I do this. This is why I go here. This is what I eat. This is what I do.” And you say, “Okay, I can appreciate that because this is what I do, this is where I eat, and this is blah, blah, blah.”

[00:05:41] Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:41] Jan: So then we now have the ability to negotiate and reason with each other. Just the same with countries. 

[00:05:50] Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:51] Jan: So the problem is that in most of the countries that have massive problems, it’s normally [00:06:00] due to a lack of education. 

[00:06:01] Aaron: Right. 

[00:06:01] Jan: They can’t communicate. 

[00:06:02] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:03] Jan: So, you know, if I tell you, “Hey, listen, you know, you can go to the doctor, read this pamphlet, and don’t do this and do that,” you’ll go, “Okay,” and you would do it.

[00:06:13] Jan: If I can’t read and write, how am I meant to n- n- navigate that? How am I meant to get a job? How am I meant to better myself? How am I meant to do anything that will be life-changing? So- I did not want to do what I do 

[00:06:29] Aaron: You mean the 

[00:06:30] Jan: investigative part? No, I did. I, I love my job, but I don’t, I did not want to do what I do now.

[00:06:35] Jan: Oh, you 

[00:06:35] Aaron: mean, okay, okay, 

[00:06:36] Jan: okay. I, I never set out to do this. 

[00:06:38] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:06:39] Jan: I actually, um, got poisoned when I was 39, and I ended up- Whoa, 

[00:06:47] whoa, 

[00:06:47] Jan: whoa … I ended up, but I, not, but not by, poisoned myself, right? So by accident. 

[00:06:52] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:06:53] Jan: So I ended up in hospital. So after a long time of being in hospital and everything else, and [00:07:00] the whole nine yards of getting to the point where, you know, the doctor says, “You know you’re gonna pass away.”

[00:07:04] Aaron: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, 

[00:07:05] Jan: let me just finish. Let me finish. 

[00:07:06] Aaron: Wait. Okay, okay. Let me just finish. I wanna get… Okay, 

[00:07:08] Jan: fine. Go on. Let me finish this. So, so I was not a church-going person. 

[00:07:12] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:07:13] Jan: I didn’t like going to church. I never wanted to go to church. Mm-hmm. My whole family made me. I told my mother when I turned 18, I said, “I swear I’m not gonna walk in another church.

[00:07:22] Jan: I’m not going to church, and I’m not gonna polish my shoes.” So- 

[00:07:25] Aaron: So you were going to church all the time- 

[00:07:27] Jan: Oh … 

[00:07:27] Aaron: when you, up to 18? Up 

[00:07:28] Jan: to 18, I had to go seven days a week, so I was, like, very anti it by the time I got to 18. 

[00:07:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm, 

[00:07:34] Jan: mm-hmm. So anyway, f- years later, I marry this girl, and I, and we have these children and everything else and, and blah, blah, blah, and she would go to church every day.

[00:07:43] Jan: Mm. I said, “I am not going to church with you. Uh, you go on your own.” So, so anyway, I ended up in hospital and, um, so just to cut to the chase, I, I ended up really sick. So when you get very sick in hospice, they say to you, “Well, [00:08:00] we’re gonna make you comfortable. We increase your morphine, and you’re gonna die on Friday.”

[00:08:04] Jan: And that’s pretty much it. So I was- You were 

[00:08:06] Aaron: told that- 

[00:08:06] Jan: Yeah … something of that nature? So I was pr- I was pretty okay with that part because I was in a lot of pain. So we got to that part. My wife says to me, she says, “Listen.” She said, “You got nothing to lose. You could go to church.” I said, “Listen, I’m English.

[00:08:21] Jan: I’m not doing that. I wanna die in my bed.” “And I’m gonna die in my bed. I wanna get cremated, and I wanna send my ashes back to England. That’s it.” So we’re very black and white like that. So then I thought, “Man, you’re really a horrible human because you’re just about to die, and and, um, the only thing she’s asking is if you could go to church one time.”

[00:08:47] Jan: So I thought, “Well, okay.” 

[00:08:48] Aaron: And you have your four kids at this time already? 

[00:08:50] Jan: Yeah. The, the ki- I have kids at the time, but so, so, so I says to her, I say, “Okay, I’ll go to church.” So she put me in this van. She took [00:09:00] me off all the, you know, the things that they hook you up in, in the hospital- Mm-hmm … with and everything, and she took me to a church, and I did not wanna go in this church for love nor money-

[00:09:10] Jan: because they were Pentecostals. 

[00:09:12] Mm. 

[00:09:13] Jan: And they’re all jumping up and down and stuff, and I think, “Oh, this is like torture.” 

[00:09:17] Mm. 

[00:09:18] Jan: So she put me in the back of this church, and, and I’m think- and people are coming up, you know, they got a bad toe, bad knee, bad this. I’m thinking, “Oh my gosh, I’m just about to croak here.”

[00:09:28] Jan: So, so anyway, the long story short was pastor walked to the back of the church, put his hand on me, said fire. Four hours later, I got up and walked out. 

[00:09:38] Aaron: What?

[00:09:41] Jan: A few months later- 

[00:09:43] Aaron: So, so w- we c- hold on. 

[00:09:45] Jan: Yeah. Oh, I did go back- 

[00:09:47] Aaron: Did he say anything? Did you, like, what was the expe- like, what, d- oh, how was this experience for you? Like, h- walk me a little more play-by-play. 

[00:09:54] Jan: Okay, so here’s the cool thing is, you know how some people say, “Oh, you know, the [00:10:00] Bible this and this and this.”

[00:10:01] Jan: Well, remember, from zero to 18 I had to read the Bible all the time, right? 

[00:10:06] Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:06] Jan: Mm-hmm. So it wasn’t a n- a point of me not reading the Bible. Mm. I just didn’t wanna read it no more. 

[00:10:11] Right. 

[00:10:12] Jan: So, and I didn’t want … And I, I was done with the hypocrites in the church. 

[00:10:17] Yeah. 

[00:10:17] Jan: I was done. 

[00:10:18] Yep. 

[00:10:19] Jan: They all like, “Gimme, gimme, and my name’s Jimmy,” and- Mm-hmm

[00:10:22] Jan: nothing really accomplished. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I did, I wanted to stay as far away from that as I possibly could. Mm-hmm. Plus, my job is dealing with heinous people. So that doesn’t line up with, you know, in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn’t line up with any of that. And it definitely doesn’t line up with going to a Pentecostal church- Mm-hmm

[00:10:43] Jan: jumping up and down. Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:44] Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:45] Jan: So anyway, I went, I went back on the Monday, ’cause now I, I’m walking arou- I’m talking now, I’m walking. 

[00:10:53] Aaron: So- 

[00:10:53] Jan: So, 

[00:10:53] Aaron: so, so you go to the church- 

[00:10:54] Jan: Yeah … 

[00:10:55] Aaron: and the pastor 

[00:10:56] Jan: comes- Which has really nothing to do with this part, but yeah. No, I 

[00:10:58] Aaron: know, but, but it’s just- Yeah … uh, [00:11:00] uh, ’cause it’s a miracle.

[00:11:01] Jan: Yes. 

[00:11:01] Aaron: I mean, a miracle was happened to you. Yeah, 

[00:11:03] Jan: yeah. 

[00:11:04] Aaron: And it was at the church which you didn’t wanna go to. 

[00:11:06] Jan: Yeah. And in the back of one. 

[00:11:08] Aaron: And in the back of the church. 

[00:11:09] Jan: No, no sitting up front and jumping around. Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:11] Aaron: Do you know, like, in your opinion, what happened then? Like, what were those few minutes w- 

[00:11:17] Jan: what was- It was four hours.

[00:11:18] Aaron: Four hours. 

[00:11:18] Jan: Four hours I spent on the floor. And four hours later, which is so crazy, I got up and I says, “Oh,” so, but before I couldn’t talk, right? ‘Cause I became narcoleptic by this time. 

[00:11:33] Aaron: So you c- okay, when you went there, you couldn’t talk. No. You couldn’t walk. 

[00:11:36] Jan: No. 

[00:11:36] Aaron: You couldn’t survive on your own. You were hooked up to machines.

[00:11:38] Jan: Yeah. But no, that, no, they took me off the, the, the ventilators- Okay … and stuff at, before I came to the building. 

[00:11:46] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:11:46] Jan: So I had oxygen- 

[00:11:47] Aaron: Okay … 

[00:11:48] Jan: but I wasn’t on, um, morphine at that point. 

[00:11:52] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:11:53] Jan: That was not, uh, being prescribed to me. So, but I went, but the reason I was on the morphine [00:12:00] is it obviously kills the pain.

[00:12:04] Jan: So the reason you know you’re gonna die is ’cause your body can only take so much morphine, eventually your heart stop anyway. 

[00:12:11] Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:11] Jan: So it’s not wrong for the doctor to say, “Listen, you know, you need to get your affairs in order because you’re going to die on this day- Yeah … because your body can’t take any more morphine.”

[00:12:23] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:24] Jan: So why they keep increasing the morphine- Is because more pain, more body parts breaking down- Mm-hmm … more stuff is not working. So it’s not, it’s logical. 

[00:12:37] Yeah. 

[00:12:37] Jan: It’s totally logical. So the, I remem- when I was going to the hospital, because now I had no mor- uh, to the church, I had no morphine. I said to my wife, “Please take me home.

[00:12:48] Jan: You know, I don’t, my, I can’t take this.” Mm-hmm. “I can’t trying to breathe. I’m, uh, so-” 

[00:12:52] Aaron: So now you’re in massive, much more pain now. 

[00:12:54] Jan: Well, of course, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, she, she, but she took [00:13:00] me to the church, and- She put me at the back of the church ’cause I didn’t wanna be there. 

[00:13:07] Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:07] Jan: Right? So she put me in this chair in the back of the church, and then the pastor was going through the rows praying for people.

[00:13:14] Jan: Yep. And eventually he got to the back of the church, which was where I was at, and he prayed for me and just carried on. And he didn’t stand there and have a chat or anything, ’cause anyway they were just holding me there, so that was the end of me. And then the… And then my wife just waited, and it was like, if you can imagine these lights here that we’re looking at- Mm-hmm

[00:13:37] Jan: they’re bright white. 

[00:13:38] Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:38] Jan: That’s how my body felt inside. Mm. It was just like somebody had stuck my fingers in the mains. 

[00:13:44] Mm. 

[00:13:45] Jan: And it felt like eternity, but it wasn’t, obviously, ’cause it was only four hours. So then I stood up, but I f- It wasn’t like just that. It wasn’t just as normal as that. But just to, like, [00:14:00] to quantify this, ’cause- But so, so, 

[00:14:01] Aaron: so he prayed for you- 

[00:14:02] Jan: Yeah

[00:14:02] Jan: and 

[00:14:02] Aaron: then you, 

[00:14:03] Jan: you 

[00:14:03] Aaron: knocked out. 

[00:14:03] Jan: I just stayed there on the floor. And, and I’m 250 pounds. I’m not like the smallest human, right? Yeah. It was like being Velcroed to the ground. Oh. You can’t move. You’re just, “Oh,” like that. You’re stuck there. Oh, 

[00:14:14] my. 

[00:14:15] Jan: Mm-hmm. And you know, I, I was the worst hypocrite ’cause I used to watch people on TV, and I used to bet my wife, I’d go, “I bet you 20 bucks that he’s gonna fall on the floor.

[00:14:24] Jan: I bet that one’s gonna do…” “I bet this one.” ‘Cause I didn’t think it was real, right? I went, “They’re real more than fly over the moon.” 

[00:14:30] Wow. 

[00:14:31] Jan: You know? And so, so then I was one of the candidates, I guess, if you wanna call it that. So anyway, I got… I went, I went, um, to the doctor on the Monday- Yeah … and I said, “Hey, listen, I want a CT scan, I want an MRI- Oh

[00:14:50] Jan: I want my blood work done, I want this,” which they did and everything. And then I was talking to the, uh, to the, uh, anesthetist and, [00:15:00] and- The who? The an- the p- anesthetist is the person that gives you injections and make you go to sleep. Okay, okay. But he was the one that supplies you all the drugs and stuff, and I was talking to him.

[00:15:07] Jan: And I says to him, I said, “You know, I’m healed.” Like, I’m all like, “Ugh.” And so, so, so he goes, “Oh, well, sometimes, Jan, just before you die you get a surge of energy.” I thought, “Oh, my gosh. That’s just my luck.” Here I am running around and like a, like the Energizer bunny, and I was gonna drop dead. So I thought, “Oh, my gosh.”

[00:15:30] Jan: So then I spoke to the neurosurgeon, and I, uh,

[00:15:35] Jan: and I says to him, I said, “You know,” the, the other guy says, you know… He was this Jewish dude, and he goes, I goes, “He’s not a Christian.” Now, now ’cause I’m all into it now, right? I go, “He’s not Christian. He’s Jewish.” And he goes, “Okay.” I go, “Well,” I says, “Well,” so he said, “Just before you, just before you die you get a surge of energy.”

[00:15:53] Jan: So he goes, “Well, Jan,” he goes, “We can’t see anything wrong with you, and you look all right,” and everything else. [00:16:00] So man, every day I’d think I’d wake up and think, “Right, today’s gotta be the day, right? It’s gotta be-” You’re gonna be 

[00:16:05] Aaron: out, ’cause that guy, what he told 

[00:16:06] Jan: you. Yeah. He’s like, “Here’s a surge of energy.

[00:16:08] Jan: You’re 

[00:16:08] Aaron: gonna-” Boom. But before, before he said that, you said you got cured at this place. Yeah, 

[00:16:11] Jan: I was- And you- I was, I was happy- Healed … the, the church art was healed, till I went to the neurosurgeon. It’s sort of a bit like, you know, when you’re told, “Hey, you’re gonna go for this really nice meal, and everything’s gonna be great.”

[00:16:23] Jan: You get there, and then the other goes, “You know, I had food poisoning last week.” Right, right, right. Yes. And you go, “Oh, I don’t wanna eat now.” So that was my… That was the start of my journey. 

[00:16:33] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:16:33] Jan: I… And then, anyways- 

[00:16:37] Aaron: And can you, can w- can we go a little bit into the detective part- Yeah … just before that? ‘Cause I wanna understand- Okay

[00:16:43] Aaron: so- 

[00:16:44] Jan: There’s no correlation to what I do now to where I 

[00:16:46] Aaron: ended up. No, I, I know, but it’s just- But it, but I have- And it’s 

[00:16:48] Jan: just like- … a great understanding 

[00:16:49] Aaron: of criminals … you’re, you’re d- yeah, you’re dealing with them. Mm-hmm. And so were you always on the defense side, not on the, on the, the, the, sort 

[00:16:55] Jan: of plaintiff side?

[00:16:55] Jan: No, alw- you’re always on the defense side. Always on 

[00:16:57] Aaron: the defense- 

[00:16:58] Jan: Let’s say, you know, the pl- [00:17:00] the lady goes to the police and says, “Mr So-and-so beat me, raped me,” or whatever. Then obviously the person who did that would be, um, would have an attorney. There’s either appointed- Mm-hmm … by the state, or it’s, uh, you b- you employ one.

[00:17:16] Jan: Right, pay 

[00:17:16] one. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

[00:17:16] Jan: Well, so for me, I would always work for the wealthier criminals, because they’re going to private attorneys. 

[00:17:24] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:29] Jan: The moral part of it is that everybody has the right to due process. 

[00:17:36] Sure. 

[00:17:37] Jan: So, you know, you say y- you’re wrong, he says he’s wrong, and somewhere in the middle we’ve got to come to a conclusion that one of you is wrong. Mm-hmm. It used to really bother me. So some clients I wouldn’t take in the end 

[00:17:52] Aaron: Right, ’cause…

[00:17:53] Aaron: So, you know, in the movies you see one- this is real life, and the movies is one thing- Mm … and I’ve just never spoken to- To [00:18:00] somebody like- … someone like this- 

[00:18:00] Jan: Yeah … 

[00:18:01] Aaron: like yourself, so. 

[00:18:01] Jan: Okay. 

[00:18:03] Aaron: You know, in the movies you see like, “Hey, I did the crime, but can you defend me anyway?” 

[00:18:06] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:18:07] Aaron: Like, is it like that? Or like, like how many people do you think were actually committed the crime that they were accused of?

[00:18:13] Jan: I’d, I’d probably say at least 95%. 

[00:18:16] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:18:16] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:18:17] Aaron: And did they say it like you’re fine, they’re like, “Defend us anyway,” or h- what’s- Mm … what’s that life like? What is it like? I, I, I- 

[00:18:23] Jan: Well, no. So if, let’s use something simple. Um, a guy gets arrested for dealing drugs. Yeah. Just say he did. 

[00:18:32] Yep. 

[00:18:33] Jan: And- 

[00:18:33] Aaron: Common, common arrest, right?

[00:18:34] Jan: A common arrest. The policeman arrests him, and so you have location, you have the, the product, you have the situation, and now you have to create beyond a reasonable doubt. Well, if you are sitting in a room, and this is a r- this doesn’t quite work like this, but I’m gonna make it simpler. If you’re sitting in a room, the drugs are over there, your colleague’s sitting over [00:19:00] there, and the policeman comes in and says, “Oh, there’s 20 pounds of drugs sitting here”- Mm-hmm

[00:19:04] Jan: which is a incredible amount. And he goes, “I’m arresting you because this is your drugs.” 

[00:19:09] Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:09] Jan: Well, you could say, “Well, listen, I’m sitting in the room, but I haven’t… Are not n- my drugs.” 

[00:19:15] Mm. 

[00:19:16] Jan: So where’s the reasonable doubt? Is, were they your drugs? Did he see you walk in with those drugs? Did you pick up those drugs or whatever.

[00:19:25] Jan: Then you come to violence. You punch me in the head and I shoot you. 

[00:19:32] Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:32] Jan: So I have the gun, but you punch me in the head. So is it beyond a reasonable doubt that I’m in fear of my life ’cause you’re gonna take my gun from me- Mm … and then shoot me with my own gun? 

[00:19:45] Aaron: Mm. That’s the self-defense part. 

[00:19:47] Jan: So you- That’s the defense

[00:19:48] Jan: could claim self-defense. But on the other hand, I could say, if I was the other side of the table, “That’s excessive force. I could just punch you back in the head.” 

[00:19:56] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:57] Jan: But so you have to [00:20:00] use the medium. Why so many people walk, it’s- 

[00:20:04] Aaron: And by walking me, they don’t go to prison, they don’t 

[00:20:06] Jan: go to 

[00:20:06] Aaron: jail. 

[00:20:06] Jan: Yeah.

[00:20:06] Jan: Sorry. Mm. So that’s why they don’t get pros- well, why they don’t end up getting prosecuted is because the case is not strong enough or the case is strong, but, um, it’s beyond a reasonable doubt. 

[00:20:21] Aaron: So that was your job. 

[00:20:22] Jan: Yes. 

[00:20:24] Aaron: And when you get 

[00:20:26] Jan: hired- So I’m quite logical. 

[00:20:27] Aaron: So when you get hired- 

[00:20:28] Jan: Yeah. Mm-hmm … 

[00:20:29] Aaron: let’s say it’s, uh, Johnny- Like, 

[00:20:30] Jan: so the, the attorney would call me up and say, “A co- I have a case here.”

[00:20:34] Aaron: Okay. “

[00:20:34] Jan: And this is all the evidence- 

[00:20:37] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[00:20:37] Jan: that we have.” From the prosecutor, say. I g- I used to do civil cases as well, but- Mm-hmm … let’s just say this was criminal. 

[00:20:45] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:46] Jan: Then we would, uh, evaluate what has been presented, and it’s my job to look at that and say, “Well, yes, he was in the room. We’re not admit- denying he wasn’t in the room- [00:21:00] Mm-hmm

[00:21:00] Jan: but we’re saying that it’s beyond a reasonable doubt that it was his. It could’ve been that guy’s over there.” 

[00:21:05] Aaron: Right. 

[00:21:06] Jan: And so- 

[00:21:07] Aaron: Do you ever s- do you speak to the guy a lot? 

[00:21:10] Jan: Who? The pr- the, the criminal? 

[00:21:11] Aaron: The, the, uh, supposed criminal, the accused. 

[00:21:12] Jan: Yeah. You have to. You, I- You have 

[00:21:14] Aaron: to. 

[00:21:14] Jan: So I go and I take the statement- Okay

[00:21:17] Jan: and the evidence, yeah. 

[00:21:18] Aaron: And so what is, what have you seen? Like, just to understand that- And 

[00:21:21] Jan: then I would go, and then you go and you ask the, the, you know… So, so it happened at 10 o’clock at night. 

[00:21:27] Aaron: Uh-huh. 

[00:21:28] Jan: And so blah, blah, blah. Well, how could he have been there by 10 o’clock at night if the other guy over there said at 10:02 he was still at this location?

[00:21:40] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:21:40] Jan: Or if there were… You, you’re looking for, I’m making this sound a little bit simple, but you’re, you’re, you’re looking 

[00:21:47] Aaron: for a- Yeah, and, and the alibi, right? You’re- There’s the alibi- Yeah … the reasonable doubt. Yeah. 

[00:21:50] Jan: You’re, 

[00:21:50] Aaron: you’re, you’re trying to throw shade into the prosecutor. 

[00:21:53] Jan: Yeah. Pretty simple. Well, you’re trying to get the jury to say, “Okay, well, no, we’ll throw the case out, [00:22:00] either because, um, they want, they didn’t get due process properly,” or they’re gonna throw- Mm

[00:22:07] Jan: the case out because it’s not beyond a reasonable doubt, or they’re gonna throw the case out because the, he was set up, or they’re gonna throw the case out- Right … because the other person that gave evidence wasn’t credible. So- Okay, so 

[00:22:25] Aaron: those are all, those are all routes to do it. Yeah. Now, in the end, what do you think?

[00:22:29] Aaron: So let’s say- … the guy was, so he was dealing, I don’t know, heroin. 

[00:22:34] Jan: Okay. 

[00:22:34] Aaron: The guy was dealing heroin. 

[00:22:36] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:22:36] Aaron: And, uh, you go, “No, he wasn’t,” and, you know, there’s a reasonable doubt, and he walks. 

[00:22:43] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:22:43] Aaron: So- 

[00:22:44] Jan: That’s the end of my job. 

[00:22:45] Aaron: Right, that’s the end of the job. What do y- like that j- it seems interesting because you’re basically defending the, the guys who are, who are, I guess, committing crimes.

[00:22:55] Jan: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:55] Aaron: Now, what is your take 

[00:22:56] Jan: that- So then what you do is you get a reputation. 

[00:22:59] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:22:59] Jan: So [00:23:00] then more law- more attorneys will call you because you’re good at producing a case. Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:07] Aaron: And, and do you think, like, just morally, right, just in, in, in that aspect, right, let’s say he was guilty- 

[00:23:14] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[00:23:15] Aaron: and you suspected the guy was guilty.

[00:23:17] Jan: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:17] Aaron: You’re gonna defend him anyway. 

[00:23:19] Jan: No, I don’t defend him. The attorney defends him. Oh. It’s my job to produce the case. 

[00:23:23] Aaron: Oh. Okay, you’re on the defending team. 

[00:23:26] Jan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:27] Aaron: And your work, your work ends up absolving this guy. 

[00:23:31] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:23:34] Aaron: What’s… I’m not trying to make it sound like a terrible thing, but like- What’s your- The thing is there’s a- Uh, uh, let me say that

[00:23:41] Aaron: there’s a, there’s a criminal. There’s like- It’s your moral 

[00:23:43] Jan: code … 

[00:23:43] Aaron: yes, like at the end of the day- Mm … if that guy walks- Mm-hmm … and he was guilty- 

[00:23:47] Jan: And then he re- and then he re- 

[00:23:48] Aaron: Maybe he does it again, 

[00:23:49] Jan: right? Yeah. Well, he probably will. 

[00:23:50] Aaron: He probably will. 

[00:23:51] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:23:51] Aaron: But in the prison, maybe prisons are not normally set up to rehabilitate at all.

[00:23:56] Aaron: So, so what is your take on that? Like, he was… If you know the guy’s guilty- 

[00:23:59] Jan: Mm … 

[00:23:59] Aaron: you’re [00:24:00] working for him. What… I know this is a long time ago, you’re not doing that now, but like- 

[00:24:03] Jan: I still do some cases … what were your thought process? Is- Because I still work, uh, on my pamphlet, we still have two attorneys with us.

[00:24:08] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:24:09] Jan: But we’re dealing more with the aspect of making sure that those people stay safe. They’re not- Mm … in my eyes, criminals. Like, um, they haven’t shot somebody, killed somebody or anything else like that. They’re- 

[00:24:23] Aaron: Okay, so you’re taking cases that are not, uh- 

[00:24:25] Jan: They’re, they’re normally cases where, um, w- we would, uh, the attorneys I work with would take that case to the prosecutor if necessary, but most of the stuff that we’re dealing with is more international rather than national.

[00:24:43] Mm. 

[00:24:43] Jan: So we’re, so we will look at how to help somebody and prepare a case beyond a reasonable doubt that what had happened to them in a heinous way in that country would grant them permanent asylum. 

[00:24:58] Aaron: [00:25:00] Oh, that is cool. 

[00:25:02] Jan: That’s what I predom- dom- most- That’s what you, that’s what you’ve- Mostly do, 

[00:25:05] Aaron: yeah … you’ve evolved into.

[00:25:06] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:25:06] Aaron: What you’re doing 

[00:25:07] Jan: now. Mostly we do that. 

[00:25:09] Aaron: Interesting. 

[00:25:10] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:25:10] Aaron: Yeah, because that’s true asylum, not like, “Hey, I just want to go over here for whatever reason.” 

[00:25:14] Jan: Yeah, for, ’cause I like Snickers bars or something. So, so- Okay. Okay, okay. Okay … so, um, that is part of our project. That’s why you see legal services in the middle- Mm

[00:25:31] Jan: in the first part of the brochure. So to, uh, create proper protection of a human, and we predominantly deal with women and children. 

[00:25:43] Aaron: Yep, yep. 

[00:25:44] Jan: So- How do you justify to the United States, say for example, immigration service- Mm-hmm … that the person from this other country deserves to be under the protection of the United States?

[00:25:59] Jan: [00:26:00] Mm. It doesn’t have to be the United States. It could be Australia- Sure, sure, sure, sure … it could be England, it could be anywhere. But that’s the due process of it. And so for the attorneys that I work, uh, with, it’s our job to prepare the case beyond a reasonable doubt. So we will say to the person, “Okay, why do you think you have the right to be here?”

[00:26:27] Mm-hmm. “

[00:26:28] Jan: You’re here- Right … but why do you think you have the right to be here?” Right, right, right. Or if you’re at the embassy, they want to prepare a case to go through the embassy to get to, to travel to another country. So There’s a due process of preparing that evidence. And I will say this in defense of the United States, ’cause they really get a really bad rap over immigration.

[00:26:50] Jan: What I have seen in other countries versus the America, um, United States, is it’s probably the best. 

[00:26:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:59] Jan: Now, [00:27:00] you know, at the moment, there’s a lot of heated stuff going on, but when you look at the process, f- forget about the politics. 

[00:27:08] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:27:08] Jan: You have I-130s petition for relative. You have 45- Mm-hmm … which you can change from a green card.

[00:27:15] Jan: You have a 45-A, which you can petition for a green card for an unknown entry. In other words, you came across the border, you’re my son, I’m gonna sponsor you, and I’m gonna pay the fine on the 485-A so you can stay. Hmm. Because you didn’t go through the b- the channels, you just ran across the field. So now you’re here.

[00:27:33] Jan: So there’s a process. Then you have the process of H-1B’s, you have the process of R visas, R1s, R2s, E1s, E2s. These are all types of 

[00:27:42] Aaron: ways that you can come and live here legally, right? 

[00:27:44] Jan: Legally. 

[00:27:44] Aaron: Until 

[00:27:44] Jan: you’re, well, you know what, visas. And, but on top of that, you go to other countries, they’re not as civil about this.

[00:27:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:52] Jan: And so regardless of w- Democrats or Republicans, let’s [00:28:00] put it like that, regardless of that, immigration officers on the whole are pretty cool people. They’re, they’re, they’re, they’re not how sometimes people perceive them. Mm-hmm. And I’ve obviously been dealing with that for a long time. So, um, yes, we have to prepare the case, and yes, we have to, you know, have Galmo go to court, the attorney, and present the case and everything else.

[00:28:29] Jan: But it’s not, it’s not like other countries where it’s terrible. You have appeals, you have rights, you have this, you have that. And so it’s not like one and done. Now, obviously for some people it’s one and done. 

[00:28:47] Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:47] Jan: But for the majority, it’s not one and done, and that’s, uh, the issue. So What, um, so what we did, [00:29:00] what we do now, to, to digress from the immigration- Yeah, yeah, 

[00:29:03] Aaron: yeah.

[00:29:03] Aaron: Sure … 

[00:29:04] Jan: criminals and everything else, is we try our best, be it here or in Mexico or … I spent some time in Mexico City, and the crazy story there is I don’t speak Spanish. 

[00:29:19] Mm. 

[00:29:20] Jan: But I ended up there, and I ended up there with some children that, um, were autistic. 

[00:29:27] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:29:28] Jan: And so we dealt with some Catholic priests there that wanted to help and everything else.

[00:29:34] Jan: Anyway, the whole deal is it worked out. So- So, 

[00:29:37] Aaron: so, okay, so- 

[00:29:38] Jan: It doesn’t matter if it’s Bahamas, it doesn’t matter- Yeah … if it’s Venezuela- Wherever … it doesn’t matter if it’s Mexico, doesn’t matter if it’s Clearwater. Remember this, for every 10 people that walk past you in the grocery store next time, two of them are criminals.

[00:29:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Yep. 

[00:29:53] Jan: So- 

[00:29:54] Aaron: Statistically … 

[00:29:54] Jan: doesn’t really matter if you’re in Clearwater or if you’re in Venezuela. 

[00:29:59] [00:30:00] Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:00] Jan: Mm-hmm. It’s just gonna be a statistic. Mm-hmm. Now, obviously in other certain parts of the world, the statistics are gonna be- Might be shifted a little bit … much 50/50. Yeah. 

[00:30:07] Aaron: Okay. So you did a private investigation in private, this, this, this investigator work, right?

[00:30:11] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:30:12] Aaron: Um, defending people and giving them their rights, ’cause the truth is they have rights in the legal system. Yes. You’re working them- 

[00:30:17] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[00:30:17] Aaron: helping them with their rights. Now, you get saved. So you go, you … How’d you get poisoned, by the way? 

[00:30:23] Jan: Oh, I poisoned myself. So I got crossed with my own staff. I used to have a really large contract.

[00:30:30] Aaron: Uh-huh. 

[00:30:31] Jan: And one of the contracts was for cleaning beaches. 

[00:30:36] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:37] Jan: And, um, which has nothing to do with any of this, right? Yep. And so we had these doors, and they had zinc oxide on them- Mm-hmm … ’cause they had been cured back in the Second World War. 

[00:30:47] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Wow. 

[00:30:48] Jan: So I was commissioned to s- paint them, but the paint wouldn’t cure to the surface of the- Mm.

[00:30:57] Jan: metals. Mm-hmm. So like an [00:31:00] idiot, I went and poured xylene on them, which makes effectively mustard gas. 

[00:31:06] Aaron: Oh my God 

[00:31:08] Jan: Which then turns you into a big fat fly because mustard gas shuts down your central nervous system. 

[00:31:13] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:31:14] Jan: So, yeah. 

[00:31:16] Aaron: Okay, so you poison yourself trying to, you know, clean- Try, because I came- … clean, paint the 

[00:31:20] Jan: thing

[00:31:20] Jan: I turned up there and I go, “Come on everybody. You need to get finished. You need to get this done.” And instead of putting my breathing apparatus on, I just started doing it. And a couple of hours later I’m… Well, not even that, it was about less, 40 minutes later I’m in intensive care on- Wow … oxygen. 

[00:31:36] Aaron: Okay.

[00:31:36] Jan: Yeah. Okay, so- And that’s how I progressively got worse. Right Because if you imagine the central nervous system of an, an acropod- Mm-hmm … as, as fly, they clean themselves like this and then they clean their lungs. 

[00:31:47] Mm-hmm. 

[00:31:48] Jan: The idea is with the poison it cracks them so they die. 

[00:31:51] Mm. 

[00:31:52] Jan: In a human, I don’t scratch myself like that and so it starts to break down your central nervous system.

[00:31:59] Jan: So the [00:32:00] first thing that starts to break down is like the retinas on the back of your eyes. You get these terrible headaches. 

[00:32:04] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:32:05] Jan: Then your hands don’t do this and because it’s breaking down your central nervous system. Wow. So it goes to your peripheries first. Okay. So that’s the reason why you can’t stand up or you can’t walk because you become a narcoleptic, you spin around.

[00:32:17] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:32:17] Jan: So 

[00:32:19] Aaron: So that occurs 

[00:32:20] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[00:32:20] Aaron: you go to the Pentecostals, you get healed- 

[00:32:24] Jan: Okay … 

[00:32:24] Aaron: you go to the hospital. And then, and then now, now you’ve, you’ve, you’ve, you’ve shift- this is your, this is now your path- 

[00:32:31] Jan: Mm … 

[00:32:31] Aaron: into 

[00:32:31] Jan: this? No, it wasn’t Or no, not yet? No. Okay. It wasn’t straight away. So, so what 

[00:32:34] Aaron: happens there? 

[00:32:34] Jan: So for a little bit I stayed doing what I was doing.

[00:32:38] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:32:39] Jan: And then it was like crazy land. It was about six months into, to, um, oh, I started going to that church. 

[00:32:50] Aaron: Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. 

[00:32:52] Jan: Uh, and, and it was crazy, right? And so one day I woke up in the morning and it was like, uh, and I says to my wife, “I’m going off to [00:33:00] seminary now to be a priest.” 

[00:33:02] Aaron: Just one, one, one morning?

[00:33:03] Jan: One morning I just woke up. I says, “I’m going off now to be a sem- to be a priest.” She goes, “No.” She goes, “I don’t want you to be a priest.” She says, “You, you, you, you’re English, you don’t understand. Do you mean a pastor?” I says, “No.” So that’s, that’s how I, I, I, uh, contacted a friend of mine who was the dean of that, uh, school, and I knew him quite well, and I said, “Hey, I want to be a priest.”

[00:33:29] Jan: And he says, “No, you don’t.” And then I started on that journey, and I will tell you, anybody that wants to be one, don’t do it- … because it’s really horrible. Um, I, my- Oh. No. I’ve had friends of mine come like, “Oh, we wanna go do that.” I says, “Oh, don’t. You, the n- you have to get up early in the morning- Mm-hmm … you have to kneel like a million times.”

[00:33:55] Jan: What it taught me was humility. Mm. Because I’m quite old by this time. Mm-hmm. I’m, like, [00:34:00] 40, and here I am being told by somebody younger than me, “Kneel, stand, kneel, stand, kneel, stand.” I’m thinking, “You didn’t tell me to kneel, stand one more time, I’ll throw you clean over that balcony.” So it did teach me humility.

[00:34:14] Jan: Yeah. Out of, out of all the different schoolings I could have gone to- Mm … like a Pentecostal Bible school or something- Mm … the teaching for a priest is humility. And they will get you humble. 

[00:34:26] Mm. 

[00:34:27] Jan: Yeah. You might come in there big, bad and ugly, but you will come out humble. I don’t care how big, how you are, because you will get humbled.

[00:34:35] Jan: Number one, as I used to tell my kids, walking around in a dr- bla- big black dress all day, that if you’ve never worn the clothing that I wear, to start with, it’s somewhat comical. 

[00:34:49] Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:50] Jan: After a bit it’s not, ’cause everybody look… And when you’re going through seminary, you have to wear your clerics the whole time.

[00:34:58] Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:59] Jan: As my kids [00:35:00] call me, my big black dress. So that was very humbling. Yeah. 

[00:35:06] Aaron: Did you, did you, what, how do you choose, like, which… ‘Cause as you said, there’s, there’s kind of m- several paths, paths like, what, how do you 

[00:35:16] Jan: choose your school? Pentecostal or Baptist or- 

[00:35:17] Aaron: Yeah. Correct. 

[00:35:18] Jan: Like- I just woke up and I said, “The Lord told me I’ll go off and be a priest.”

[00:35:21] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:35:22] Jan: I went to see the pastor who prayed me- 

[00:35:24] Aaron: Yeah … 

[00:35:24] Jan: t- for me. Yeah. I said, uh, I said, “Pastor,” I says, um, “Do you believe I should go off and be a priest?” He said, “I surely do.” 

[00:35:30] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:35:31] Jan: He, and I wa- I wanted him to say no. I’m like- “No, no, no, stay with me.” No. He said no. He goes, “Go be a priest.” 

[00:35:38] Aaron: I mean, that’s the biggest, uh, I would say- Yeah

[00:35:40] Aaron: compliment from someone. I mean, I think if, if I was a pastor and I- 

[00:35:46] Jan: Mm … 

[00:35:46] Aaron: healed somebody, wouldn’t it be amazing that they would go on and continue this? I mean, I think that’s, that’s a, the most wonderful gift you could have given this guy. 

[00:35:54] Jan: Well- Um, I’ve noticed [00:36:00] when you start reading books and studying that people go down a certain path, and you think they’re gonna follow the other person, and that’s not what

[00:36:09] Jan: Well, I don’t want to sound over religious, but that’s- Sure … for me- Mm-hmm … I would say that’s not what God had in- No … in, in, in, in for your intention. 

[00:36:16] Aaron: Sure. 

[00:36:17] Jan: So, um, for me, I couldn’t stop myself. 

[00:36:24] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:25] Jan: I didn’t care about the money. I lost everything. I lost my business. I lost my wife. 

[00:36:32] Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:32] Jan: Um, I lost my home, and I couldn’t stop.

[00:36:38] Jan: But what I did come to the realization was that now I have nothing, but I only had God. 

[00:36:45] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:36:46] Jan: So everything I got back was from God and God only. So that was really … You know, they tell you sometimes you have to go in a valley before you can get on top of a mountain, [00:37:00] but that was so dramatic because I had seen so much trauma in my life from other people, stabbing, shootings- Mm-hmm

[00:37:09] Jan: whatever around the world- Mm-hmm … and stuff, and that … But this was mind-bending. The mind is worse than the physical pain. 

[00:37:21] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:37:23] Jan: You can get over a broken leg in six weeks, but sometimes the mind, it’s more perplexing than that. It’s more complicated. So To go through that, to realize afterwards that that was the journey you had to go down to be fixed, to come out the other side- Mm-hmm

[00:37:42] Jan: to do what you’re gonna do. And sometimes people say to me, “Well, why’d you do what you do?” I say, “Well, listen, really, I should’ve been dead when I was in my 30s.” Oh. Mm-hmm. So every day after that is not my day. 

[00:37:57] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:37:58] Jan: So, [00:38:00] and here’s some humor to this, right? I always think that God has a wild sense of humor, plus He likes to mess with me, I think-

[00:38:06] Jan: more than others, so, so, so now I’m an ordained priest- Yeah … and I’m blah, blah, blah, and a friend of mine calls me up one day, and he goes, “Hey, I got this girl.” I said, “Well, good for you.” And he goes, “And you need to help her.” Now, so I wasn’t doing anything that I’m doing now. Okay. Okay, this is a b- this is the beginning.

[00:38:25] Jan: This is the beginning. So she was a Cuban girl, and, um, so he goes, “I don’t know what to do with her. Can you help her?” I says, “Well, what am I gonna do with her? I just have a little church, and that’s what I do, and I just do my mass like twice a… And that’s all I do. I d- I don’t want no Cuban girl.” 

[00:38:47] Aaron: And is this, is this mass- is this already All Saints, or 

[00:38:50] Jan: is this a different- No, no, I worked, at that point, I now work, uh, no, I come under the, uh, um, Orthodox Church.

[00:38:57] Jan: Okay. No Ortho- Okay … no, no All Saints at this time. [00:39:00] And so he goes, “Well- He goes, “You need to help her.” Anyway, so I got not very much money. I’m doing this thing, and this guy says, “You…” My friend says to me, he says, “Will you help with the girl?” So anyway, she comes to see me, and she’d j- just come to America.

[00:39:19] Jan: She’d just … She’d automatically got her green card, ’cause she was from Cuba. Yeah, 

[00:39:23] Aaron: Cuban- 

[00:39:24] Jan: She got the- It’s 

[00:39:25] Aaron: called wet foot, dry foot 

[00:39:26] Jan: But that’s gone now, by the way. You hit… 

[00:39:27] Aaron: It’s gone. 

[00:39:27] Jan: Yeah, but wet foot, dry foot. But at those days we had wet foot, dry foot- Yep, yep … ’cause this was back in 2008. Mm-hmm. So anyway, so this girl, she comes and she goes, “Hey.”

[00:39:38] Jan: And she was, I would imagine, probably … And I’d dealt with a lot of risky people before. Mm-hmm. She was probably the rudest human I’ve probably ever met. Oh, wow. She had a mouth like a sailor. She was so rude, and she was so bitty. Mm-hmm. And I’m like, “I don’t want this.” 

[00:39:56] Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:57] Jan: So I called up a friend of [00:40:00] mine at, at a, at a hospital, and I says, “Hey, I got this woman.

[00:40:04] Jan: I don’t know what to do with her.” He goes, “Well, we could give her a job cleaning baseboards,” you know, the baseboards in the hospital. Mm-hmm. So I brought her over there. I got into this big fight. Every day I’d get in this big fight with her. I’d tell her, “You have to dress like this. You have to walk like this.

[00:40:17] Jan: You have to dress like this. You have to walk…” She cussed me out all the time. So my- So 

[00:40:21] Aaron: you took her under your wing. Uh- Regard- You didn’t want to. I 

[00:40:24] Jan: didn’t wanna. 

[00:40:24] Aaron: You didn’t want- I, 

[00:40:25] Jan: I got four kids. I’m already fat and old. I don’t need that. But you … So, so, so what, what 

[00:40:32] Aaron: made 

[00:40:32] Jan: you- So- … say yes or, or start 

[00:40:34] Aaron: this?

[00:40:34] Jan: Like- Uh, ’cause my friend… I’m, like, really gullible sometimes. Like, you might call me up and say, “Hey, can you help me clean my car?” I go, “Okay.” I’m, like, really stupid. I open up myself for lots of stupid things. So, so- 

[00:40:45] Aaron: You’re selfless … 

[00:40:46] Jan: uh, well, I don’t know. Stupid would be a better word. You’re try- you’re trying to make it, like, sound better than it is.

[00:40:52] Jan: Oh. But no, I don’t. I, I am, like, glutton for punishment sometimes. So anyway, I got this girl [00:41:00] And one day I turn around to her, I says, “Listen, I’m done.” 

[00:41:04] Mm-hmm. “

[00:41:04] Jan: I’m not Jesus,” I told her. Mm-hmm. “I’m not the Holy Spirit- Mm-hmm … and I’m definitely not God.” 

[00:41:09] Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:10] Jan: I said, “So you’re fired.” 

[00:41:11] Mm-hmm. “

[00:41:12] Jan: You’re done. I can’t deal with you no more.”

[00:41:14] Jan: And she turned around to me, she says, “You can’t fire me ’cause I’m not leaving.” 

[00:41:18] Mm. 

[00:41:19] Jan: And then it was like both of us, it was a bolt went off in her head, ’cause she’d obviously got to the point where she’d never had a person say no. Mm. ‘Cause she a very pretty girl. 

[00:41:30] Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:30] Jan: And she’s only 18, and she got to the point, and I, and I said, “I’m done.

[00:41:35] Jan: I, I don’t need you. I, you, it’s not helping me.” So, so she said, “Well, I’m not leaving.” Then it got worse because then she started telling friends to come to me, and she said, “He’ll fix you. He’ll help you.” And that’s how it started. It was no, I got no business plan for this. I got no- But- … miraculous thing we’re sitting here discussing this

[00:41:59] Jan: but she, 

[00:41:59] Aaron: [00:42:00] she, she stayed at the job at the hospital cleaning the bathrooms? 

[00:42:02] Jan: She’s still, she’s still with me tw- she’s, I still know her. She’s, she’s gone on to be a nurse now. 

[00:42:09] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:42:10] Jan: So she did get her act together, and had a child and everything else. Yeah, but, but that’s not the point. The point is that’s how I got the next one.

[00:42:19] Jan: So 

[00:42:19] Aaron: she was trying to… It’s like, “You can’t get rid of me. In fact, I’m gonna give you a bunch of other women 

[00:42:22] Jan: that need help.” And more, more, more pains. And so that’s how I got more of them. Yeah, I got more and more and more and more until sometimes, like 20 would turn up a day. 

[00:42:38] Aaron: In one day? 

[00:42:39] Jan: In one day, and I don’t know what to do with them.

[00:42:41] Jan: What are you gonna do with a whole bunch of women that got kids and everything? It’s like, ha. So- And 

[00:42:45] Aaron: this is mostly coming from other countries 

[00:42:47] Jan: coming in here. All coming to other countries. Now, from 2019 to 2024- 

[00:42:53] Aaron: Mm. Mm-hmm … 

[00:42:54] Jan: you c- it was like a flood. 

[00:42:56] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:42:57] Jan: And so- 

[00:42:59] Aaron: So when did you, when did [00:43:00] you start the, the, the ministry here?

[00:43:02] Aaron: I mean, 

[00:43:02] Jan: your- 2008 … 

[00:43:03] Aaron: the church. 2008. 

[00:43:04] Jan: No, the church was before. The ministry I started… Now, this is why I started that. 

[00:43:10] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:43:10] Jan: So in 2009, I was talking to the bishop one day, and he’s got, “Oh, Jan, we- do you have any money?” And I thought, “No.” He said, “Well, how is your parish going?” I says, “Okay.” And then he goes, “Well, blah, blah, blah.”

[00:43:22] Jan: And I thought, man, there’s something wrong with this picture. 

[00:43:26] Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:27] Jan: There is… Because I come from England, and the bishops tell you, “Here’s your car. Here’s your house. Here’s your this.” Oh. The Orthodox Church is autonomous So you have to create your own wealth. 

[00:43:42] Aaron: Huh. 

[00:43:42] Jan: Like a Baptist. 

[00:43:43] Aaron: Uh-huh. 

[00:43:44] Jan: He’s like a Baptist priest.

[00:43:46] Jan: So I was probably on national TV, I’ll get shot or something next week. So, so I thought, well … So I, a few weeks go by, he goes, “Are you doing okay, Jenna?” I said, “I’m doing fine, thank you, [00:44:00] uh, Father.” And he goes, “Well,” he goes, uh, “How’s, how are you coping?” I said, “Oh, I tell you what I did. I, I incorporated a mission called All Saints Ministries, and I’ve put everything under that, and it’s just great.”

[00:44:15] Jan: So I went, that’s how I went out and I got contracts, and that’s how I found those women jobs. I would just go ask people if they would take them. And now how I do it, and I still do it to this day- Yeah, 

[00:44:27] Aaron: yeah, yeah … 

[00:44:28] Jan: I guarantee the woman I guarantee the woman. And so I tell you, I say, “Listen, I’ll take the woman.

[00:44:36] Jan: If you don’t like, I’ll take her back.” 

[00:44:38] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:44:39] Jan: So, so you’re … 

[00:44:40] Aaron: So 

[00:44:40] Jan: when you 

[00:44:41] Aaron: mean 

[00:44:41] Jan: this 

[00:44:41] Aaron: is … Okay, so you have this. So by the way, uh, All Saints Ministries, this is, uh, your church now in, in Sarasota. 

[00:44:47] Jan: This is a mission, yeah. 

[00:44:48] Aaron: Mission. Sorry. That’s all right. Uh, and what’s the, what would be the difference, mission 

[00:44:51] Jan: church versus- Well, so a, a, a church is where I would be assigned to a building, and I would be the pastor every day.

[00:44:59] Aaron: Okay. [00:45:00] 

[00:45:00] Jan: A missions priest is sort of like chewing gum on your shoe. It’s, you don’t go much lower than a missions priest. So it’s sort of like- Yeah … it’s like the bottom of the earth. So anyway, so you get assigned to a mission. Like, all I do is help women and children. 

[00:45:18] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:45:19] Jan: Now, I have a chapel. 

[00:45:20] Aaron: Uh-huh. 

[00:45:21] Jan: So I have mass because I do that every day.

[00:45:25] Jan: So if for some quirky reason you said, “John, I’m coming to mass with you next week-” Mm-hmm … you could come. 

[00:45:29] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:45:30] Jan: But my chapel’s about maybe twice the size of this room. 

[00:45:33] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:45:34] Jan: Right? And that’s it. 

[00:45:35] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:45:36] Jan: It … And so we go through the process of having mass every day, and just like anybody else, but I could have it here.

[00:45:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:45] Jan: But a missions priest is, um, or a nun is, is normally assigned to a project. 

[00:45:53] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:45:54] Jan: And they will do that project. Like Mother Teresa. Yeah. I will use that as an example- Okay. Yeah … because everybody’s heard of her. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. So she went to [00:46:00] Kolkata, and she dealt with primarily lepers and people like that for the whole of her life.

[00:46:04] Jan: Uh-huh. So she was a missions nun. She wasn’t at a convent- Mm … assigned to chastity and prayer, right? Say, in the same way. So for me, you could say to me, “Next week, John, I want you to go to me,” I was gonna say Russia. 

[00:46:21] Yep. 

[00:46:22] Jan: And off I would go because I- 

[00:46:26] Aaron: It’s the, the task It- It’s the task The task 

[00:46:27] Jan: in hand, not the location.

[00:46:29] Jan: And, 

[00:46:29] Aaron: and who chose that task? 

[00:46:31] Jan: For me? 

[00:46:32] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:46:33] Jan: I just fell into it, and I, I ca- I went to the bishop one day and I said, “Listen, I really suck as a priest.” 

[00:46:38] Aaron: Uh-huh. 

[00:46:39] Jan: I s- I did. I told him. I said, “You know, I get really irritated.” I told him. I was up front. I said, and I said, uh, “You need to get a replacement priest for me.”

[00:46:51] Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:51] Jan: I said, “‘Cause I’ve been doing this Bible school thing, and I teach the Bible, and next year the same [00:47:00] people are sitting there, and they want me to teach them the same thing.” I s- I said, “This is not good for me.” Mm-hmm. But my realization obviously now is that repetitiveness is, uh, necessary- Key. Mm-hmm

[00:47:16] Jan: and key. But, um- And so I stood up on the Sunday and I said, “You remember Moses?” And they all go, “Yeah, yeah.” And I go, “Well, I am so sorry,” I said, “because I’ve been going on about this Moses thing and you not getting it, and na, na, na.” D- I told this to the congregation. So I says, “Listen, I’m going to leave.

[00:47:41] Jan: Father Mark is going to replace me.” No, sorry, Father Michael it was. “Father Michael is going to replace me, and it’s my fault- 

[00:47:49] Mm-hmm … 

[00:47:50] Jan: because I am still stuck in the desert, so I need to leave.” And I went and I spoke with the bishop and I said, “Listen, I’m not called to do this.” Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. “

[00:47:59] Jan: This is [00:48:00] just about sending me crazy.”

[00:48:02] Jan: But it was a good time because I can appreciate, um, what a priest goes through. 

[00:48:09] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:48:09] Jan: I can appreciate what it’s like every day doing mass. Yep. I can appreciate what it’s like being a pastor to people all the time. 

[00:48:16] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:17] Jan: But I think that a lot of ministers that I’ve dealt with, that covers all of them, they can’t do what we do.

[00:48:28] Jan: They’re not William and they’re not me. 

[00:48:30] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:48:31] Jan: They can’t deal with the, um, degregation and intensity of seeing death and so much- Oof. So- … and stabbings and killings and all that. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. That’s, that’s intense. That makes some people po- puke. 

[00:48:44] That’s intense. 

[00:48:45] Jan: They can’t deal with it. 

[00:48:46] Aaron: So you went to the bishop- 

[00:48:48] Jan: Yeah

[00:48:48] Aaron: and then he said, “Good, so this is your mission,” or you chose the mission? How did that work? 

[00:48:52] Jan: Yeah, he let me do it. He, I told him, “I want to go do this,” and he was okay with it. So I still [00:49:00] go, up until he died a few years ago, I still used to go to church with him. Mm-hmm. Everything the same, but for me, this is There’s 1.4 billion women and children- 

[00:49:17] Aaron: Mm-hmm

[00:49:18] Jan: people in the world that’s not right. 

[00:49:22] Aaron: So, so to- 

[00:49:23] Jan: That’s the 

[00:49:23] Aaron: simplicity … 

[00:49:23] Jan: to 

[00:49:24] Aaron: clarify, this 

[00:49:24] Jan: is… 

[00:49:25] Aaron: So here is… I’ll, I’ll give this, uh, as far as I understand that you, you- Okay … you showed me before this. So we have this section here. There’s three kind of levels. There are three areas. 

[00:49:34] Jan: Where you, where you start is the, the…

[00:49:38] Jan: Okay, so let’s say this. Yeah, how 

[00:49:39] Aaron: about you explain it? You can explain 

[00:49:40] Jan: it, yeah. Let me, let me say this. So our mission is that we don’t care who you are or where you come from- 

[00:49:48] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[00:49:48] Jan: or what your faith is. 

[00:49:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:50] Jan: We just believe that, like you and me, we’re gonna get on the same train- Mm-hmm … and we’re gonna go down the same railway track, and that’s all there is [00:50:00] to it.

[00:50:00] Jan: I don’t care about your faith. I don’t care about your… anything like that, long as you believe that we’re gonna get on this train together, and our objective is to change and better the lives of women and children. 

[00:50:14] Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:15] Jan: So I have… Just to digress, I have friends that are atheists. 

[00:50:19] Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:20] Jan: I have friends that are Muslims.

[00:50:22] Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:22] Jan: I have, uh, friends that are in the Christian body, if you like. 

[00:50:28] Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:28] Jan: I have, uh, friends that are, um, uh, Scientologists. Mm-hmm. And I have… And but we’re all on the same train, and we’re all going in the same direction. So at the end of the day, we did the train, and we put the little faces because the children have no voices and no faces.

[00:50:56] Jan: So it’s the likes of yourself and [00:51:00] myself that have to be their voice. 

[00:51:02] Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:02] Jan: And we have to tell the world that all these horrible things that make up from… Now, a lot of people’s… the key word at the moment is traffic, traffic, traffic. Mm-hmm. But really It’s not just traffic, it’s childhood trauma, it’s family conflicts, it’s poor people, it’s domestic wars, it’s crimes, it’s healthcare, it’s drug abuse- 

[00:51:29] Mm-hmm

[00:51:29] Jan: and human trafficking. But that part of human trafficking makes up part of all of this horrificness. So we say to ourselves, “Okay, this is what we’ve had. This is where you are, and now this is where you are with you and me. So we’re gonna take these people, and we’re going to make a difference.” 

[00:51:53] Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:54] Jan: But they’re not ready to go to work at…

[00:51:58] Jan: And probably [00:52:00] everybody, I’m gonna use a, a, a, a, a, um, a retailer like Walmart. Sure, 

[00:52:04] Aaron: sure. 

[00:52:04] Jan: They’re not ready for Walmart. 

[00:52:06] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:52:07] Jan: They have, they, they don’t know how to conduct themselves. They’re traumatized from whatever situation they’ve been in. Could it be a bad marriage. It doesn’t have to be somebody that’s, you know, been moved millions of miles away.

[00:52:20] Jan: So we’re gonna take them now, and the first thing we’re going to do is we’re going to make them safe. ‘Cause you don’t need anything else but safety. Food- 

[00:52:30] Aaron: This is a fresh start. So this 

[00:52:31] Jan: is- This is the fresh start … 

[00:52:32] Aaron: this is from the No Faces No Voices, which is- It’s a fresh start … I’ll also be talking about.

[00:52:35] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:52:35] Aaron: So you’re, “Hey, we’re gonna have a fresh start.” 

[00:52:39] Jan: Yeah. And now sometimes, and I, I, I’m not to say that I’m try to be a nasty human, but how I put it to them is, “Listen, everything that’s happened to you in your past, I don’t care.” 

[00:52:53] Aaron: Mm-hmm. “

[00:52:54] Jan: Today is your fresh start.” 

[00:52:56] Aaron: Wow. “

[00:52:56] Jan: Today is your opportunity. It doesn’t matter.”

[00:52:59] Jan: [00:53:00] I don’t… You know, we’re talking about all sorts of, not to be too graphic, but all sorts of horrible things in horrible places with horrible people. 

[00:53:10] Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:10] Jan: So when the movies make these… When people make these movies, they really don’t depict it worse enough. 

[00:53:21] Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:21] Jan: But as my friend said, if they made it any worse, nobody’d watch it.

[00:53:25] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:25] Jan: But if, if you can just imagine the worst of the worst, and then… But some aren’t. Some could be just bad divorces, beaten, broken arm or something. No, but you’ve, 

[00:53:35] Aaron: you’ve, you’re saying that the people that come to you- 

[00:53:37] Jan: Yeah … 

[00:53:38] Aaron: for the fresh start- 

[00:53:39] Jan: Their fresh start … 

[00:53:40] Aaron: what is, just to, to give an idea, right? Mm.

[00:53:42] Aaron: So we’re here not in a movie. 

[00:53:44] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:53:44] Aaron: People are already listening. 

[00:53:45] Jan: Yeah. 

[00:53:46] Aaron: So if they’re listening, what is like the disgusting of the most disgusting thing that has happened to someone that’s walked through your doors to say, “Hey”? 

[00:53:54] Jan: I think the most memorable one for me, um, and [00:54:00] I, I’ve seen a lot of dead people.

[00:54:03] Jan: Um, but two things

[00:54:08] Jan: No, the most memorable one was the woman that sat down and she was calculated. There was no tears. Mm-hmm. There was no screaming. There was no horror. And she said, she said, uh, “Jan,” she said, “I, I, I hear you can help me.” And I said, “Sure.” I said, and she sat down. She brings out all her paperwork. All her documents were good And, uh, her husband was sitting there, and I don’t normally have husbands.

[00:54:35] Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:36] Jan: And her daughter was there. Mm-hmm. So she’s one child, one husband, one woman. 

[00:54:41] Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:42] Jan: So I know if you look at people’s legs, their knees down- 

[00:54:48] Mm-hmm … 

[00:54:48] Jan: if they have told you the truth and they have really walked through a jungle, they are not coming with pretty shaved legs- Mm-hmm … like a movie woman. Mm-hmm.

[00:54:56] Jan: They’re gonna have scars. 

[00:54:57] Yep. 

[00:54:58] Jan: So I ask, I says, “Show me your [00:55:00] legs.” 

[00:55:00] Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:01] Jan: So she shows me the scars on there, and I thought, okay, because, you know, like, um, you know how bugs and stuff bite them- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … and stuff, and things like that. And she… So she showed me those. So I knew that she had gone through…

[00:55:15] Jan: Well, to the best of my knowledge, she had gone through what she said she had. And here’s the kicker. And 

[00:55:20] Aaron: what did she say she’d gone through? 

[00:55:22] Jan: Well, she had walked, uh, um, all the way through the Amazon- 

[00:55:27] Aaron: Mm … 

[00:55:27] Jan: to get to Me- Mexico, to get to the border, to get to America. Oh, wow. That’s a long way. So on the way there, she had started with three children, and two were dead.

[00:55:44] Jan: And that’s not uncommon, because if you think about this, just go and walk in the state park somewhere or something a few days on your own, uh, with not too… Well, take your water with you, and then, y- I mean, no bug repellent and stuff. You’ll be slapping yourself stupid, right? [00:56:00] Uh-huh, 

[00:56:00] mm-hmm. 

[00:56:00] Jan: So, so if you can imagine, it’s not snakes and lions or whatever that’s gonna eat you.

[00:56:08] Jan: Mm-hmm. It’s really the infectious diseases and the bugs. So anyway, now she gets to the border, and she tells me, she said, “I got raped.” But we all know the approximate cost- Mm-hmm … of crossing through with the coyotes. So this lady, she tells me the story. She says- 

[00:56:31] Aaron: Approximate cost 3,000? How much… What do 

[00:56:33] Jan: you mean?

[00:56:33] Jan: About 1,400 a human. 

[00:56:34] Aaron: 1,400 a human. Okay. 

[00:56:35] Jan: Yeah. So, so she got to the border, and she said she got raped. Now, she was very matter-of-fact- Mm-hmm … she’s telling me this. And then she says, “But the boss of the coyote came and shot the guy who raped me and gave me all my money back.” So I thought, well, you know, look at it logically.

[00:56:59] Jan: [00:57:00] That’s quite good business sense, because anybody else ever coming across the border, if they get raped or whatever, and they go with this particular person who’s- Bringing you to America, then at least you know if anything goes wrong, he’s gonna put it right. The fact is you still got raped, but … And he got a, and she got a refund.

[00:57:20] Jan: That to me was the most dramatic… You know, I’d seen all these other things and all these other stories. That was the craziest story in my life. 

[00:57:28] Wow. 

[00:57:29] Jan: And then she’s sitting there at the table. And so we help her get a job and, and on she went about her life with us. And she st- typically, most people stay with me 175 days.

[00:57:41] Aaron: Okay. 

[00:57:42] Jan: It takes 175 days for my friend William to get enough English in their head, um, to get them to a success story. It takes 175 days for, now no disrespect to women- Mm-hmm, 

[00:57:58] mm-hmm … 

[00:57:58] Jan: but to get [00:58:00] them to understand how to pay bills. 

[00:58:02] Mm. 

[00:58:02] Jan: It takes 175 days to understand that 9:00 is 9:00. It’s not 5 past 9, it’s not 10 past 9.

[00:58:09] Jan: It’s not, “I couldn’t do my hair.” 

[00:58:11] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:11] Jan: No, 9:00 is 9:00. 

[00:58:13] Aaron: Wow. I mean, that is a lesson that you need to learn for- 

[00:58:15] Jan: Yeah … for any workplace. So it’s like a tough love situation. So we tell people, we say, “Hey, Kate, if you can’t get to work, call me.” They go, “Oh, why?” I say, “I’ve gotta go pick you up and take you to work.”

[00:58:29] Jan: So, so, so there’s no, no cars broken down, no… No, there’s no excuse. You go to work. And if they call and they say, “Well, I know my stomach hurts, my head hurts,” I say, “Can you… Did you walk to the phone?” “No. Yes.” “Well, you, you can walk, you can work.” So, and then there’s no excuse for about their legal services, ’cause we have Galmo and his partner.

[00:58:52] Jan: So, and there’s no excuse about the car, ’cause we’ll help you get the car. And there’s no excuse about the phone, so we’ll help you get the phone. There’s no excuse about your bills, [00:59:00] ’cause we’ll help you pay your bills. So it’s a, it’s a one… It’s sort of like a one-stop shop. And then you start the journey.

[00:59:10] Jan: Now, so now you’ve started this, you don’t need me. And we always know when you’re ready to go. And I sell it like this ’cause, you know, I have children of my own. So if you remember when a b- a bird’s in a nest, it can’t f- and it’s tweet, tweet, tweet, and it gets fed. But just before it flies, it starts going up and down the, um, branch, right?

[00:59:31] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:59:32] Jan: And I pretty much know that when those women are getting antsy about what they’re doing and stuff, they’re ready to leave. And so we get them, then they go 

[00:59:40] Aaron: into a permanent position. And, and, and what do you mean, like, antsy about what they’re doing? 

[00:59:42] Jan: Well, so this is a bit rude, but … So when they first come to us, and now these aren’t regular people in the street- Mm-hmm

[00:59:50] Jan: remember. Mm-hmm. So when they first come to us, they are traumatized from something. 

[00:59:55] Yep. 

[00:59:55] Jan: Right? And levels of trauma can [01:00:00] be anything from here to here. Mm. I- i- i- it’s, it’s speculative to h- and, and, um, people deal with trauma differently, right? So, so when they start to get comfortable, and that’s why we try to put them into positions where- It’s the same time, the same day, the same days off.

[01:00:19] Jan: It’s repetitive. Yep. When you do things repetitively and it becomes safe, you then get comfortable. When you get comfortable, you, you start to think outside of your box. You start to say, “Well, I want to earn more money. Well, I want this- Mm … and I want a car, and I wanted this.” So it’s, it’s sort of like… And I’ve done this thousands of times.

[01:00:42] Jan: This is not like one or two people. So we know when they’re ready. 

[01:00:47] Aaron: Interesting. 

[01:00:48] Jan: So they get antsy. It’s almost like a kid that doesn’t want to wear a diaper anymore. “I don’t need diapers.” 

[01:00:54] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

[01:00:56] Jan: Or when the next one says they go to junior school, and then they’re going to go [01:01:00] to a middle school.

[01:01:01] Jan: When they go to the middle school, they’re scared. But when they go to senior school, they’re scared. Then I remember my kids had to go away to college. They’re like, “Oh, we’re going away to college.” After they’ve done a year, they’re like big boots, driving a car- … blah, blah, blah, right? 

[01:01:16] Aaron: Right, 

[01:01:17] Jan: right, right. But it isn’t the same when you s- you got married.

[01:01:19] Jan: You’re like, “Oh,” the first few days, you know, “I hope she likes milk and, uh, coffee or something.” But after a few years later, you go, “Hey, you want milk?” You know, it, it, it, it becomes- 

[01:01:28] Aaron: Comfortable … 

[01:01:29] Jan: comfortable. And 

[01:01:30] Aaron: it’s- 

[01:01:30] Jan: Yeah … 

[01:01:30] Aaron: mm-hmm, you know, when I’m ready for the next thing. 

[01:01:31] Jan: Exactly. So we pretty much know that.

[01:01:34] Jan: And when, when you say 

[01:01:35] Aaron: you’ve done this 1,000 times- 

[01:01:36] Jan: Yeah … so- We didn’t use to count them, but I do have a record now. 

[01:01:40] Aaron: You do have a record. 

[01:01:41] Jan: I, I’m quite proud of myself because my friend came to me and he says, “You know, you should count the people.” 

[01:01:46] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:47] Jan: So I went, “Well…” We have anonymity. We don’t put pictures out of these people.

[01:01:52] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:53] Jan: Um, and I’ve been called out on that a lot. 

[01:01:57] Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:57] Jan: They go, “You know, if you show pictures of [01:02:00] them,” I says, “Well, well, why don’t I just put your picture up on here and go work, uh, here’s where you can come and shoot them?” 

[01:02:05] Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:06] Jan: No. What are you, crazy? So, so no, if you come to us, we don’t put your picture out.

[01:02:11] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:02:12] Jan: Never. If you want to come to my office and see all the pictures, I’ll let you come, but you’re not bringing the camera. 

[01:02:18] Aaron: Yeah, of course. 

[01:02:19] Jan: But you, you wanna go through my filing cabinet, you go right ahead. I got nothing to hide. But you’re not taking pictures. If you want to go to some of the locations, I’ll take you.

[01:02:30] Jan: But, um, you’re not going to film them. So we have some people that we take some group pictures that are not in that predicament. They’re just people like William has come and does classes every norm- anybody can come to our classes. 

[01:02:52] Mm-hmm, 

[01:02:52] Jan: mm-hmm. Anybody. So we have some of those pictures, but the m- the majority of the people, no, no pictures.

[01:02:58] Jan: No pictures, no interviews, no [01:03:00] nothing. But so- 

[01:03:04] Aaron: Th- So you’ve got … When, when, when they graduate, so everyone here, everyone that goes through your program, let me see if I, I kinda get it so far. Oh, you wanted to know the numbers. 

[01:03:11] Jan: Oh, this is … Oh, is it? So- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah … I’ve, I counted 4,000 moms. So I don’t count the children.

[01:03:20] Jan: Not, I’m not discounting the children- Sure, sure … but I, it, it normally it’s about 1.5 m- children, say, per mother. So some have three, some have one, right? 

[01:03:31] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:03:32] Jan: So, so- 

[01:03:34] Aaron: So that means most have a child. 

[01:03:36] Jan: Yeah. Most have a child. So 

[01:03:38] Aaron: most that come to you- 

[01:03:39] Jan: Have a child … are, are not on their own. Well, here’s, here’s why.

[01:03:41] Jan: Because it’s complicated for them if they have no man to figure out how they’re gonna cope with their life with their child, right? Mm-hmm. We do a thing co- quote, called cohorting. So I don’t own lots of buildings or anything else like that. So I have, I will [01:04:00] rent, um, one apartment for two women. 

[01:04:04] Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:05] Jan: So if they have two women, have one room each, and say bunk beds for the kids and the, and a bed for them.

[01:04:13] Jan: So- That means that if you work 8 to 4:30, I’m gonna make the other person work, say, 6 in the evening to, say, 2:30 in the morning 

[01:04:28] Aaron: Mm. Like at a hospital or something- 

[01:04:29] Jan: Yeah … of this 

[01:04:30] Aaron: nature. 

[01:04:30] Jan: Exactly. 

[01:04:30] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:31] Jan: Yeah, we use hospitals a lot. 

[01:04:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:33] Jan: So I purposefully get you a different shift to the other person, so now you can take care of my kids while I’m at work, and you can pick them up at school.

[01:04:43] Jan: Oh, wow. Because daycare, man, is crippling. Oh, wow. So now we do away with the daycare, and the other problem we do away with is the summer break. ‘Cause in the summer, there’s 12 weeks. What am I meant to do with tw- s- with a bunch of kids all summer? So you go [01:05:00] to bed typically to, say, whatever time you have to get up to take the kids to the school, and then the other person has gone to work.

[01:05:10] Jan: Now, they get off work, they pick up the kids. So we call it co- So it’s like- I call it cohorting. 

[01:05:17] Aaron: Wow, that’s so beautiful. That’s a beau- brilliant 

[01:05:19] Jan: system It’s a very … Well, I had to come up with something ’cause I didn’t want to do all the kids and mothers, and I’m, like, having a brainstorm. So I thought, “Hmm, I’ll turn them into their own daycare.”

[01:05:28] Jan: So it doesn’t work 100%. My … Now, I’m v- I try to be fairly, uh, pragmatic about this. I have a failure rate of about 20%. 

[01:05:39] Aaron: Okay. 

[01:05:40] Jan: So every two women out of 10 fail. 

[01:05:43] Aaron: They- Meaning they don’t graduate, they stop coming, they go 

[01:05:45] Jan: off and do something else … there, there’s no graduation as such- Well, I mean … but they, they don’t finish the 175 days.

[01:05:50] Jan: Right. They don’t, they don’t … They just go back. They could go back to being a prostitute. They could go back to doing whatever they want. 

[01:05:57] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:58] Jan: And they go back to that [01:06:00] way of life, whatever. Some people Um, you can save some of the people all of the time, but you can’t save all the people all of the time 

[01:06:14] Aaron: 100%.

[01:06:15] Jan: So my little brain can only deal with one person at a time. Mm-hmm. That’s how I got into being able to try and deal with it. I can get … I can help one person at a time. I can’t help a million people. Mm-hmm. I don’t have the funds. 

[01:06:31] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:06:32] Jan: I don’t have the infrastructure. So if I help one person at a time, at least I can say I helped one.

[01:06:39] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:06:40] Jan: So that’s easier to swallow, and it doesn’t become overwhelming. So but we did start to count the people, so I’ll come back to that and I’ll answer- Over 

[01:06:50] Aaron: 4,000. That’s, that’s huge … we g- 

[01:06:51] Jan: well, we got the, we got the 4,000. W- I started to count them from 2020 going forward. I think we’re over 4,000. Well, that’s 12 

[01:06:58] Aaron: years.

[01:06:59] Aaron: That’s 12 years you didn’t [01:07:00] count. 

[01:07:00] Jan: Oh, it loads of years I didn’t count. I didn’t really care because- And 

[01:07:03] Aaron: it’s 4,000 since 20- 20- … 2020 … 

[01:07:07] Jan: 2020. Yeah. So that’s … So because we- 

[01:07:10] Aaron: So I mean, the y- We ha- … you have only counted less than half probably. 

[01:07:13] Jan: Well, I don’t know. Unless it’s accelerated a lot … I don’t, I r- you know, my friend started- Mm.

[01:07:17] Jan: Uh, okay, so I don’t do any … I’m terrible at marketing. I came up with this brochure the other day. 

[01:07:23] Yeah. 

[01:07:23] Jan: So I, my thing was, he kept saying to me, my friend said, “You need to put faces. You need to do this. You need to do that.” I said, “Well, you know.” So I said, “Listen, they’re faces. They’re people with no faces and no voices.”

[01:07:37] Jan: Mm. They could be sitting in India. They could be sitting in, um, Africa. They can be sitting in any part of Latin America. They can be sitting here in America, but nobody is fixing their problem. 

[01:07:52] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:07:53] Jan: So and that’s a wrong statement because- Well, not nobody, right? … there are a lot of people out there that do a lot of very good [01:08:00] things, but we still got 1.4 billion people.

[01:08:03] Aaron: Yeah. Once, once you have that person in front of you, that person was not handled before. 

[01:08:07] Jan: No. 

[01:08:07] Aaron: That person was not, let’s say, that person is in need of some salvation, some guidance- 

[01:08:12] Jan: Some 

[01:08:12] Aaron: whatever … some ministry, something. 

[01:08:13] Jan: Something. 

[01:08:14] Aaron: Yes. 

[01:08:15] Jan: Mm-hmm. 

[01:08:16] Aaron: So- 

[01:08:16] Jan: So that’s what we do … 

[01:08:17] Aaron: so thousands and thousands of people. So now this program, um, do, do you have a name for this?

[01:08:24] Jan: What? Like, well, we ca- the, we call, well, we started off by calling it Raise Your Roof- Okay … because of the complexity of the pastor I told you earlier, which was rather sickening. Mm-hmm. But then we changed it to Globheart because it’s a global program. It’s- Mm … it’s, it’s the heart of God, and it’s global. So we came up

[01:08:48] Jan: Actually, it was a, a Cuban, um, sorry, um, a Brazilian friend of mine that came up- Mm … with the name Globheart. 

[01:08:54] Aaron: Globheart. 

[01:08:54] Jan: Yeah, which was a play, and it’s badly spelt, the [01:09:00] globe bit. Yeah, 

[01:09:00] Aaron: it’s like glob. 

[01:09:01] Jan: Glob, yes. But the reason we did that was it was the only way we could, uh, make sure that it was protected as a name.

[01:09:09] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:09:10] Jan: So- 

[01:09:10] Aaron: For the trademark, have you checked? Maybe Globheart is not- 

[01:09:13] Jan: It’s, it’s not been used. We trademarked it, and I bought every .com, .co.uk,.everything. I bought the whole- But 

[01:09:20] Aaron: with the E or with no E? With the glob, 

[01:09:22] Jan: like the- Yeah, G-L-O-B. Yeah, no E. Yeah. 

[01:09:24] Aaron: The other one might be available. I can check it out for 

[01:09:27] Jan: you.

[01:09:27] Jan: I 

[01:09:27] Aaron: don’t 

[01:09:27] Jan: know. I’m very good at trademarks. I don’t know, but all I know is that I wanted to make sure that I didn’t want anybody running… Because when I did Raise Your Roof, I, I’m, I’m, like, fairly trusting, stupidly sometimes over certain things, so I’m thinking, “Nobody wants Raise Your Roof.” And then some guy from China or something started to try and sell it back to me for, like, $30,000.

[01:09:49] Jan: So I dropped it. 

[01:09:50] Aaron: Yeah. The, it’s, it’s tough to, the- 

[01:09:52] Jan: So- It’s tough … but the Raise Your Roof was quite good because we were raising the roof for the children in this church, and it was raising a [01:10:00] roof. We had a whole marketing behind it. You know, it was raise your roof, increase your expectations, take you to another level- Mm

[01:10:07] Jan: make you a better person. And, and then I, I went to, like- So got taken … use it, and it was taken. So we ch- we changed it to the Globheart thing, which we can wrap a, a, a marketing tool around that. Okay. Okay. But- 

[01:10:22] Aaron: Okay, so Globheart- Yeah … or Raise Your Roof or who knows. Yeah. Maybe, I mean- 

[01:10:25] Jan: Well- … 

[01:10:25] Aaron: it’s been going.

[01:10:26] Aaron: It’s been going. So your, your ministry, your mission. Yeah. This is your mission. 

[01:10:29] Jan: Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:29] Aaron: Now- thousands of people. And so the way you fund this is ’cause you’re- I’m self-funded … you place, you’ve placed the people. Mm-hmm. So, so let’s say somebody comes. 

[01:10:41] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:10:41] Aaron: You bring them up. So first of all, we worked with William Tucker, whose, his episode is on this podcast.

[01:10:46] Aaron: Yeah. You can see it, uh, using literacy and education to bring people up. 

[01:10:50] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:10:50] Aaron: Plus your guidance of being on time, et cetera. 

[01:10:52] Jan: Well, I have something funny- Yes, go … to tell you. So I was with William, and I was talking to him, and he goes, “Jan, how do you teach people to [01:11:00] read?” 

[01:11:00] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:11:01] Jan: So I say, “I got this piece of paper.”

[01:11:02] Jan: And he goes, “Well,” he goes, “This is crazy.” I go, “What is your name?” I said, “What’s your name?” He goes, “That’s how you teach English?” I says, “Man, I gotta get them to read. I have like- What’s your name 

[01:11:14] Aaron: and then they write their name? 

[01:11:15] Jan: Yeah. Or 

[01:11:15] Aaron: you write their name or what? 

[01:11:16] Jan: I, they have to write their name. They have to do these colors.

[01:11:19] Jan: They have to say good morning, hello, how are you, and this. He goes, “Man, that’s intense.” I says, “I only have two hours.” I says, “I gotta get them to read this piece of paper in two hours.” He goes, “That’s nuts. I love it.” So that’s why I get along with him so, ’cause I do English classes with him every week, right?

[01:11:36] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:11:37] Jan: And, and, um, so he’s so cool how he teaches it and gets them to do it. And then the, and then I might get a table of, of 10 people or whatever, and he sees me going, I go, “It’s Ellie the Elephant.” “Read

[01:11:55] Jan: it.” So I’m not probably the best [01:12:00] person at teaching. I was like, “It’s a 

[01:12:02] freaking elephant.”

[01:12:07] Oh. “What part? We’ve read 10 pages. It’s still an elephant.”

[01:12:13] Oh, geez. 

[01:12:14] Aaron: So, so, so before, so you, before you’d met William, worked with, with him or anything like that, you had your own program. I, yeah, I had- You had, you were like, “You now need to read.” Right? Somehow, vaguely. Oh, 

[01:12:23] Jan: so I had this worse woman before him, and all, six months later, all she’d learnt was to teach them hot dog.

[01:12:32] Jan: I’m thinking, “For the love of God, I’m paying all this money, and all you can do is 7-11 and order a hot dog.” They’re meant to be able to read and write. So that’s when I started. Oh, so 

[01:12:43] Aaron: you were paying for someone. 

[01:12:44] Jan: Yeah. So then I started doing my own. I’m screaming at them. I’m like, “Come on.” “You’ve been here six months.

[01:12:54] Jan: You still can’t read.” 

[01:12:56] Wow. 

[01:12:58] Jan: And then it was like God [01:13:00] intervened and sent me William, and William’s gone, “Oh, Jan, I got it. I got this. You can do this bit, and I’ll do this bit.” I go, “Okay.” 

[01:13:09] Aaron: And so he comes in- 

[01:13:10] Jan: Every 

[01:13:11] Aaron: week Does 

[01:13:14] Jan: not get paid 

[01:13:14] Aaron: No Just making sure everyone knows this 

[01:13:15] Jan: No, he doesn’t get- 

[01:13:16] Aaron: He is volunteering, helping for the cause 

[01:13:18] Jan: And it’s not just him 

[01:13:20] Aaron: Yeah 

[01:13:20] Jan: It’s him plus other p- it’s him and Pat and Claudia and other people- Mm-hmm

[01:13:27] Jan: that come, and now my son’s learning to be a tutor. Mm-hmm And then we have another lady that’s just joined to be a tutor, and then I’m a little neurotic and trying to be a tutor. And so but the vision is for, um… Okay, William, as long as he got a pack of cigarettes and Elly the Elephant, he’s okay. He doesn’t need a…

[01:13:57] Jan: And a lot of coffee 

[01:13:58] Mm-hmm 

[01:13:58] Jan: And he will [01:14:00] just, he… You could put him outside under a tree. He’s very much like myself. We’re not looking for, um, a lot of stuff back. Mm. So William is awesome like that. He, he doesn’t need a… And his wife is the same. His wife is- 

[01:14:16] Aaron: Surprising … 

[01:14:16] Jan: uh, I don’t understand why. I said to her, “How’d you get two people get married and then be identically, have the same cause and needs and everything?”

[01:14:25] Jan: Wow. You know, normally you’d have to go out and headhunt somebody for 10 years- Mm. Mm-hmm … to find somebody like that. But anyway, so, so the ambition is… Let me go back to this. We’re self-funded. So- 

[01:14:41] Aaron: And the self-funding, so- 

[01:14:42] Jan: We create our own wealth 

[01:14:44] Aaron: And it’s through- 

[01:14:45] Jan: And that’s why I’m trying to get… And like you, you know, you go to pastors or imams.

[01:14:51] Jan: I was talking to an imam the other week. 

[01:14:52] Aaron: Mm-hmm 

[01:14:52] Jan: I’m thinking, “Well, maybe, you know, he might get it.” And you say, “Listen, this is what you have to do, and this is how…” So how are we [01:15:00] going to get 10,000 cities, that’s 10,000 major cities. As I say to my kids- Mm. Mm-hmm … Google it. 

[01:15:05] Mm-hmm. 

[01:15:05] Jan: They, Google told me there was 10,000 major cities, not Jan.

[01:15:09] Jan: So you got the 200 countries, the 10,000 major cities. How are we going to self-fund 10,000 cities? That’s a cra- that’s crazy amount of… There’s millions and millions and millions of dollars. So we create, in Sarasota, about 3 million a year And income. Income. And then we spend direct, that’s direct. Yeah. No, you understand that ’cause you’re a businessman.

[01:15:38] Jan: So direct to the individual goes 2.6 million. ‘

[01:15:44] Aaron: Cause that’s- 

[01:15:45] Jan: So now we’re 

[01:15:46] Aaron: like- ‘Cause it might be like… So how does that… So- 

[01:15:47] Jan: How does that work? 

[01:15:48] Aaron: Yeah, so okay, so you- So 

[01:15:49] Jan: let me- Whew. Let, I could have, I should have brought you a breakdown sheet. 

[01:15:51] Aaron: Okay, okay. 

[01:15:52] Jan: But we have the payroll. 

[01:15:54] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:15:55] Jan: So what I do is I say to you, just say hypothetically I said to you, “You got [01:16:00] $4,000 a month, and this is how we’re going to teach you how to spend it.”

[01:16:05] Jan: So I go to the client, which say was you, and you’re going to say- The hospital … the hospital. Yep. A hospital. And I say, “Okay, I’m going to provide you this amount of people for this amount of days. At the end of the 175 days, unlike a leasing company, if you like them, keep them, and they go on your payroll, and I will bring some more.”

[01:16:26] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:16:27] Jan: So it’s a perpetual problem. But if you think about it, it hasn’t gone away in 2,000 years, so it’s not likely to go away next week. It’s not, it’s not that we can stop the problem, it’s that we have to make an attempt to stop the problem, because otherwise it would manifest even larger. And 

[01:16:45] Aaron: you mean by the problem, you mean the amount of people who are in, in a problematic situation and- 

[01:16:48] Jan: Yeah.

[01:16:49] Jan: So if, if nobody did anything for the 1.4 billion people, then it would just get worse. 

[01:16:58] Aaron: Of course. 

[01:16:59] Jan: And [01:17:00] humanity will get worse. 

[01:17:01] Yep. 

[01:17:02] Jan: And then, I don’t know, you know? It, we, we need to do something. 

[01:17:07] Aaron: Yeah, I mean, the ratio is actually mind-boggling. So you, of course, there’s a team, and you have… And, and here, by the way, one, one, and one of the reasons we’re here is because I truly believe that good-hearted people- 

[01:17:20] Mm-hmm

[01:17:21] Aaron: of different faiths- 

[01:17:23] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[01:17:23] Aaron: of different religions- 

[01:17:24] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[01:17:25] Aaron: can come together- 

[01:17:26] Jan: They 

[01:17:26] Aaron: should do … and do, yes, and do holy-like things. 

[01:17:30] Jan: Right. 

[01:17:31] Aaron: Do things that God, whatever you may call Him, would be proud of. And working together, we can change the future of a few and the future of many. 

[01:17:45] Jan: Yes. I, that’s, that, that would be a perfect way of putting it, yeah.

[01:17:50] Jan: An absolutely perfect way. Because you’re ident- But for, we identify humanity- And when we [01:18:00] identify humanity, when people are better to humans, they’re also better to animals. 

[01:18:04] Aaron: True. 

[01:18:06] Jan: And I grew up on a farm, and I think every animal should have a quality of life before you take its life. 

[01:18:15] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:18:16] Jan: So if we acknowledge that, then also we should acknowledge that other humans should have a quality of life.

[01:18:27] Aaron: Yes. 

[01:18:28] Jan: Now, but listen, not all of us are bound to be the next discovery of the next something or the other, or, or… The funny thing is, I would say this, when I’ve been into Third World countries, if you wanna call them, or other countries, I have seen people really, really happy in really small villages, in their little house with their little husband and their little wife and their little kids, and they’re making their stuff, and they’re happy.

[01:18:57] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:18:58] Jan: I have gone to people that are [01:19:00] opulently wealthy, and they got these beautiful cars, all this, and then, man, I hear the story behind the door. And some of those women are with me. 

[01:19:11] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:19:12] Jan: But escapism sometimes isn’t as simple as a hand as a chain. Escapism is to get away from somebody who’s actually mentally got hold of you.

[01:19:23] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:19:24] Jan: Fear normally comes by the capture of the mind. So if you look, and this is nothing to really do with what we’re talking about, but it does have some principle behind it. If you look at most of your big-time criminals, they’re not 6’7″. 

[01:19:43] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:43] Jan: They’re not 300 pounds. But they have the intellect to control the people.

[01:19:49] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:19:50] Jan: And they used other fear methods to make sure the other people over there understand that that could happen to them. That’s how they can control them and say, “Go and stand over there. Go do this. Go do that.” [01:20:00] And they do it. So in marriages- A lot of times, um, if we’re talking about a man and a woman, the man gets hold of the woman mentally before he gets hold of her physically- 

[01:20:13] Mm-hmm

[01:20:14] Jan: by either whatever nasty means. So it’s not as easy for that woman just to walk out the door and walk away. 

[01:20:22] Aaron: It is not. 

[01:20:23] Jan: So we get a fair proportion of those as well, you know. And then to tell that person who’s come from a lot of wealth, “You’re going to clean toilets now.” So we will clean the toilets with them.

[01:20:43] Jan: I do the same job as they will do. I don’t… There’s no, like, me and them or- Yeah, yeah … you know, we go and do the same job. So they have to understand that sometimes to come back up, you have to go all the way down. 

[01:20:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:58] Jan: But at least now you’re [01:21:00] safe. 

[01:21:00] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:21:01] Jan: And now when you go to bed tonight, that’s your bed.

[01:21:03] Jan: When you go in that door, that’s your door. When you shut that door, your– that’s your home. There’s nothing that anybody can take from that So that’s when they then settle down, and then they rise back up. I have one story just on a positive note- 

[01:21:19] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm … 

[01:21:20] Jan: that this one girl, and William said to, for me to mention this to you, was that she came to me and she was

[01:21:27] Jan: When she first came, she was earning $14 an hour. 

[01:21:30] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:21:30] Jan: Through William’s program, she did so well, and at the end of it, she now earns $35 an hour. 

[01:21:36] Aaron: Wow. 

[01:21:37] Jan: And that happened in one year. So she applied herself. So if you apply yourself to learning, you will get the breakthrough. If you don’t apply yourself, you will stay where you are.

[01:21:51] Jan: So there’s some effort. We can do all the effort we want, but you have to want to have the effort. You have to want to do [01:22:00] it. And that’s why I have this nasty saying when they come for the fresh start part. I go, “Hey, listen, today’s your day. This is your opportunity. If you want this opportunity, God’s given you this opportunity.”

[01:22:12] Jan: Mm-hmm. “All the minutiae you’ve had in your life before, that’s okay, but today’s your day. I don’t wanna hear about all the other stuff.” 

[01:22:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. “

[01:22:20] Jan: And nor does anybody really care.” 

[01:22:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:22] Jan: Now, that’s not always true, but let’s face it, if you’re going to a workplace- 

[01:22:27] Aaron: In the workplace, it’s not 

[01:22:29] Jan: gonna- They don’t wanna hear.

[01:22:29] Jan: They don’t wanna hear about you getting raped. Zero. They don’t wanna hear about you getting shot. They don’t wanna hear about you getting stabbed. They don’t wanna hear about you drug dealing. They don’t wanna hear about your, how you got here. They don’t wanna hear about you got no money. They wanna know if you can vacuum the carpet.

[01:22:39] Jan: Yeah. They wanna know if you can use the computer. They wanna know if you can be an asset to them. 

[01:22:46] Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:46] Jan: So the big thing is to make all these people assets to society. 

[01:22:50] Yep. 

[01:22:50] Jan: Now they’re taxpayers, they’re homeowners, they’re contributing, they’re le- higher level of education, and now you want them. [01:23:00] 

[01:23:00] Yeah.

[01:23:00] Jan: You’re saying, “Hey, don’t, don’t take that one from me.” 

[01:23:02] Mm-hmm. “

[01:23:03] Jan: And don’t take that person. Don’t do that to me. I wanna keep that person.” So now they’re an asset to society. 

[01:23:10] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:23:11] Jan: It wasn’t that they were bad people in society, they’re now an asset to society. They’re taxpayers. They’re, they’re all these other things, creating wealth.

[01:23:20] Jan: Contributors. They’re, they’re giving 

[01:23:21] Aaron: more- 

[01:23:22] Jan: Than they’re taking. 

[01:23:23] Aaron: That’s it. 

[01:23:24] Jan: So they’re not a burden. 

[01:23:25] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:23:26] Jan: So our objective is to turn them all into assets. Doesn’t matter what country they’re in. 

[01:23:30] Aaron: Right. 

[01:23:30] Jan: Just turn them all into assets. Everybody likes an asset. 

[01:23:33] Aaron: Yes. 

[01:23:34] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:23:34] Aaron: Yes, absolutely. 

[01:23:35] Jan: Everybody likes that bottom margin.

[01:23:37] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:23:37] Aaron: Yeah. So. 

[01:23:38] Jan: And, 

[01:23:38] Aaron: and so how does … ‘Cause, you know-

[01:23:45] Aaron: All Saints Ministries, it is a religious place Or no. I mean, it, it’s ministry, the word, you know Yes. Well, I happen to be a priest- Okay … 

[01:23:55] Jan: but I really couldn’t care if you’re a monk- 

[01:23:58] Aaron: Right … 

[01:23:58] Jan: or a Buddhist or something. I [01:24:00] don’t care. I mean … Oh, here’s the thing. I don’t practice telling anybody what they h- when they come, like, um, I don’t ask them to be a Christian.

[01:24:11] Aaron: Right. 

[01:24:11] Jan: I don’t, “Oh, you know, does the Lord save you?” No, I don’t. That’s your problem. We, um, and there’s only three of us, remember. There’s not 50 of us doing this. Mm-hmm. So we as a little group, we believe in what we believe, and we do what we do. So we’re the example of what we sh- what we believe. 

[01:24:31] Aaron: Wow. This is- 

[01:24:32] Jan: So that’s all

[01:24:33] Jan: that’s- You just, we believe what you believe, right? 

[01:24:35] Aaron: Yeah, yeah. 

[01:24:35] Jan: And, and i- and if … And then somebody says to you, “Well, w- why do you believe that?” Well, I could bore you for an hour and tell you, uh, I got stuck on a floor or something and blah, blah, blah, but I believe what I believe and, and I … And then people go, “Well, tell me some more.”

[01:24:50] Jan: And if I … And, and I say, “Well, okay.” But I don’t go to them, “Listen, I’ll tell you this,” is a funny thing. ‘Cause when you go to seminary- 

[01:24:58] Mm-hmm … 

[01:24:58] Jan: one of the things they tell you, you have [01:25:00] to go out and try and lead people to the Lord, right? 

[01:25:02] Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:03] Jan: Well, I’m not the smallest human being, right? So I walk up to people in a shopping mall or something go, “Hey, could I, uh, uh, ask you if you would like to, uh, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?”

[01:25:13] Jan: Mm-hmm. Of course, most people would go, “Go away, you f- … you horrible thing.” “Oh, leave me alone. And uh, don’t … Shoot, here, take my purse.” “Just run away.” So I adopted a different … This is really sacrilegious. Yeah. But I, uh, just don’t do what I do, as I will say this. So I go to this … I thought, man. So the, the … One day I, I was told I had to go out and get 70 people to give me their name, address, and telephone number- 

[01:25:45] Aaron: Hmm

[01:25:45] Jan: and accept Christ. Now- 

[01:25:47] Aaron: 70 people in a one day … 

[01:25:48] Jan: 70 … No, it was over … Yeah, I had a whole week to do it. So I’m like, oh, I’m walking around Walmart and stuff and, “Hello.” And they’re like, “Hello,” like, like pushing their trolley. I was like, “Could you just [01:26:00] give me one minute of your time?” And then in the end I thought, “This isn’t working for me.”

[01:26:04] Jan: And I became really blunt. I said, “Look, let me tell you this. I really don’t care if you say yes or no, but I have to ask.” I said, “I need 70 names and addresses.” So I said, “If you would help me out here.” And that’s how I asked people. I said, “Would you just help me out?” And they go, “Well, what is it you want?” I says, “Well, I have to ask you these questions.

[01:26:25] Jan: And one is do you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior?” And they go … And so a lot of people go, “No.” I go, “Okay, that’s all right.” And then go, “And two, could you give me your name and address?”

[01:26:38] Jan: And do you know how many people do it? They go, “Okay, we’ll help you, young man.” Well, I was a lot younger then, not old, fat, and gray then. So, so then … And then they go, “Aren’t you meant to ask us how to get-” To heaven? Like, they’re like very indignant. I go, “No, the Bible says only have to ask. It’s not my problem if you get there.”

[01:26:55] Jan: And then

[01:26:58] people would get really [01:27:00] upset with it. They’d go, “Well, shouldn’t you try harder? Don’t I have a right?” And everything else. 

[01:27:04] Jan: I say, “Well, okay, I’ll do it with you.” So a friend of mine who was going through seminary at the same time, he was really polite, a Spanish guy. He goes, “I’m gonna try it.” First person, he goes up to this woman, she turned around, a big old Black girl.

[01:27:20] Jan: She slapped him right up the side of the head. Oh, no. He goes, “That didn’t work for me.” So yeah. Anyway I don’t know why we even spoke about that So you don’t… 

[01:27:35] Aaron: So, so in this, in this program, as they’re coming through- 

[01:27:37] Jan: So I don’t, 

[01:27:38] Aaron: I don’t- You don’t, you don’t, uh, let’s say, um, proselytize- 

[01:27:40] Jan: No … 

[01:27:41] Aaron: to them. Even though it’s, ’cause you perform the, you, you have these teachings in your 

[01:27:44] Jan: church, right?

[01:27:45] Jan: I listen, I got, I got three big crosses up in the- Yeah. Okay … in the, in the sanctuary. Okay, okay. It’s like, it’s not like you can’t miss them. On the other side of the wall, I put up all the disciples and why they ended up in a bad situation. 

[01:27:59] [01:28:00] Oh, wow. ‘

[01:28:00] Jan: Cause everybody’s like, “Oh, you know, it’s so great.” No, I don’t wanna be one of those 12.

[01:28:05] Jan: Okay. They’re gonna end up upside down, dead, head cut off- … and all the rest of it. I’m not signing up for that. 

[01:28:11] Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:12] Jan: And then, you know, so I put the crosses up and… So we have this, like, big room in the back that’s sort of like we can have meetings in. 

[01:28:19] Mm. 

[01:28:19] Jan: And they can’t ha- And then you come in my office, I mean, I got icons, I got crosses, I got this.

[01:28:26] Jan: Mm-hmm. I got a poster, it says, “All Saints Ministries Orthodox Catholic Church.” I mean, it’s not like, it’s not like you could like- It’s pretty obvious. Yeah. 

[01:28:34] Aaron: It’s pretty clear. 

[01:28:35] Jan: Yeah. It’s- 

[01:28:35] Aaron: I mean, it’s, it is- 

[01:28:36] Jan: Yeah … 

[01:28:36] Aaron: it’s a holy space. 

[01:28:38] Jan: Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:38] Aaron: You’re there- But- Yeah, 

[01:28:39] Jan: sorry … I don’t say anything. 

[01:28:41] Aaron: Okay. 

[01:28:41] Jan: There’s myself, the Bouvier, which is a dog.

[01:28:44] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:45] Jan: Uh, my son now, and an assistant. That’s it. And I guess if you don’t like dogs we’ll put him in a crate. Some people are scared of dogs. 

[01:28:52] Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:53] Jan: But he’s very friendly, so. And we’re very laid back. You can have coffee, tea. We always [01:29:00] give candy to the kids. I, that’s my warped sense of mind, so I fill them up with sugar and then they can leave.

[01:29:04] Aaron: Yeah, yeah. 

[01:29:05] Jan: Their mom’s like, “They’re bouncing off the wall.” Yeah, yeah. Um- And, and so, and so this- So we’re very friendly 

[01:29:11] Aaron: Amazing. Absolutely. That, that much I know. 

[01:29:13] Jan: We try. 

[01:29:14] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:29:14] Jan: And we purposefully, and this is a… I got a criticism by this, uh, guy in Pakistan one day. He goes, “Oh, well you know, you’re in America, it’s easy to do business and this.”

[01:29:25] Jan: Man, you, there’s no bus stop where I am. 

[01:29:28] Mm. 

[01:29:28] Jan: I’m behind the airport, um, in Sarasota on the back street in the hood. 

[01:29:35] Mm-hmm. 

[01:29:36] Jan: I mean, mine, I’m one step away. Uh, and it’s a tin building. 

[01:29:40] Mm-hmm. 

[01:29:40] Jan: It’s nothing nice. And the reason I did that is, funny enough, a lady came to me and she offered me a nice office downtown Sarasota.

[01:29:50] Hmm. 

[01:29:50] Jan: Well, it would’ve been great. I could’ve eaten sushi all day and everything else. But I said, “No.” I wanted to be in a very, very bad location. 

[01:29:59] [01:30:00] Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:00] Jan: And the reason is, if I can do it in a bad location, in a tin building behind three o-… Oh, I got car dealers and stuff in front of me cutting cars up and things.

[01:30:09] Jan: Mm. So I’m behind them. 

[01:30:11] Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:12] Jan: If I can do it there, you can do it anywhere. That was my point. 

[01:30:16] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:30:16] Jan: My point is, if I can do it there, you can do it anywhere. That’s my point Wonderful. 

[01:30:22] Aaron: Yeah, absolutely 

[01:30:23] Jan: Yeah. It’s, it, it’s not, it wasn’t some sort of … I, and, and only reason I did that is ’cause I got ticked off because they, the people kept saying, “Well, you can’t, you know,” blah, blah, blah.

[01:30:33] Jan: No, it makes no difference. What we do- 

[01:30:35] Aaron: No, the guys criticizing are the ones not doing things 

[01:30:37] Jan: Yeah. But 

[01:30:37] Aaron: you- If they were doing things, nobody would criticize this work. You’ve gotten probably 7, 8,000, 10,000 people- I 

[01:30:44] Jan: don’t 

[01:30:44] Aaron: know … to, from, from, from- 

[01:30:46] Jan: All those years ago 

[01:30:46] Aaron: to now … unable to operate in society- 

[01:30:49] Jan: Mm-hmm

[01:30:49] Aaron: through educated how to read if they didn’t- 

[01:30:53] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[01:30:54] Aaron: educated how to work, and moved on. That is, that is God’s work. And anyone- Ultimately … who’s [01:31:00] criticizing that, anyone who’s criticizing that has not ever tried to do it. I w- can guarantee you that. 

[01:31:06] Jan: I, yes. Yeah, if you don’t … Well, if you don’t try, you don’t know, do you, right?

[01:31:11] Jan: No. So, so but the majority of the people that come don’t last, the ones that come to try and so, ’cause I- Mm. You mean, 

[01:31:21] Aaron: you mean to volunteer, like- 

[01:31:22] Jan: Yeah, to volunteer … “Hey, let me help.” No, they don’t. The pastors, friends, m- uh, they come for, like, two or three days and they go, “This, this, why’d you … This is a lot.” So, so the, you know, it’s, it’s like

[01:31:41] Jan: And I can say this about pastors. I’m not gonna talk about any other religions. Mm. I’m just gonna say about ministers. A lot of ministers have this saying that, you know, they have to have a meeting. And I’ve come to the conclusion a lot of these guys, they have a meeting to have a meeting to have a meeting, and they achieve [01:32:00] nothing.

[01:32:00] Jan: They just had a breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and then going back to bed. 

[01:32:03] Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:04] Jan: It’s okay to get up and just go pray and this and that. You need to, you should pray anyway. You should be praying without ceasing anyway. 

[01:32:11] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:12] Jan: There’s no revelation. 

[01:32:13] Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:14] Jan: You, you … But then what are you doing to change society?

[01:32:18] Jan: What are you doing to change your community? Aren’t you meant to be the person that’s changing your community? Aren’t you meant to be the person that’s pouring out into the people? They’re not gonna be pouring out into you. 

[01:32:28] Aaron: Mm-hmm 

[01:32:30] Jan: You, you’re meant to pour out into them, right? 

[01:32:32] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:32] Jan: And I guess if you’re- What 

[01:32:34] Aaron: do you mean by pouring out into?

[01:32:35] Aaron: What is that, what do you mean by this? 

[01:32:36] Jan: Well, by that statement, if, if you … It, it’s not your congregation’s- Mm … job to make you feel better- Mm-hmm … or, or, or make you have a new Mercedes. 

[01:32:50] Mm-hmm. 

[01:32:51] Jan: Or I make sure you go on a, a, a, a, a fantastic cruise or anything. Mm-hmm. I’ve been to too many churches [01:33:00] where they’re taking up another offering for the pastor, another offering for his wife, another offering for his vacation.

[01:33:07] Jan: Forget about it. He don’t, no need, he, he doesn’t need that. 

[01:33:11] Mm-hmm. 

[01:33:11] Jan: So, so, uh, and then they say, “Well, you know, he’s the man of God.” He’s, God called him to do his job. He didn’t, you don’t need to worry about him. 

[01:33:19] Mm-hmm. 

[01:33:20] Jan: You don’t need to worry about me I, God’s got me. You’re, I’m meant to pour out into you. We are called as pastors, and this is going off on a tangent, ’cause this is not why obviously I came to talk about this.

[01:33:33] Jan: Mm-hmm. But we are called to be a servant unto you. Mm-hmm. Not the other way round. Mm. Yes. I’m not gonna be carrying my Bible, little hat or something. No. God sent us a servant unto you. He sent Christ to be a servant for us, to die s- uh, s- he died so we could have eternal life. He didn’t die s- ’cause he had a, you know, a bad hair day.

[01:33:40] Jan: Mm-hmm. So, no, it’s the wrong way round. And so when you commit to doing … If you commit to do the job that I do, that’s a commitment. That’s nothing to do with you. That’s not your problem. I committed to do that. I committed to help those women and children. I don’t need no pat on the[01:34:00] 

[01:34:13] Jan: back. Mm-hmm. That’s my job. 

[01:34:14] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:34:14] Jan: That’s what I’ve been called to do. 

[01:34:15] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:34:16] Jan: So, it, when other people come and they go, “Oh, this is a lot of work,” I say, “Well, why, why don’t you go work at Walmart?” “Why don’t you go sell burgers?” 

[01:34:24] Aaron: Yeah. You know, I think it starts with the example, because if, as you’re saying, pouring into others, if you see what Christ did, that was not an easy job.

[01:34:33] Jan: No. 

[01:34:34] Aaron: That’s probably maybe the hardest job that could’ve existed. 

[01:34:37] Jan: Right. 

[01:34:37] Aaron: So, so the idea is to be in the image of God, to do the, you have to do a job that is difficult. I mean, I don’t know what else to say, is I’m, I’m agreeing with you is what I’m trying to say. 

[01:34:47] Jan: Yeah, but I, now I will say this. When I was in Mexico, I seen priests do jobs that I wouldn’t even wanna start to do.

[01:34:54] Jan: Mm. And they do it. And, uh, more power to them. [01:35:00] When I’ve been to, uh, other countries, more power to them. Very sacrificial, very humbling. Make me feel like I haven’t even started. But- 

[01:35:13] Aaron: So when you, when, give me the, what is, what could, what is it? 

[01:35:15] Jan: I’ll never forget, I was with this priest in, in, uh, Mexico City actually, and, um, I says to him, I says, “Man, how’d you do this?”

[01:35:26] Jan: And it was funny how he told me the story. He goes, “Well,” he goes, “I’m from Italy, but I speak Spanish.” He says, “So the, the, the something sisters of France- pay for this outreach.” I said, “Oh, nice.” He goes, “So the priest died, so the Vatican sent him 

[01:35:47] there.” And he, he said, “I came for, like, a few weeks.” He said, “I’ve been here 20 years.”

[01:35:53] Oh. I says, “Oh my God.” I said, “I feel your pain, man.” And I [01:36:00] was … And 

[01:36:01] Jan: oh my gosh, so I, I got pictures I could show you, but I got these pictures of me and him together. And oh my gosh, he’s, he was out there, people chasing him and stuff and things and, and he’s, like, run- and he’s like 80 at this time. And he goes, “I’m so grateful you’ve come.”

[01:36:19] Jan: I goes, “Why?” He goes, “‘Cause at least I can sympa- you can sympathize with me.” I said, “I, I wouldn’t want that job for love nor money,” I said. So. Wow. But man, there are people out there. And then I met this one priest, a little tiny guy on the border, and he really messed my head up. He, he, what he did was he was standing there, and when the people are getting off the train, right?

[01:36:43] Jan: They were getting taken- 

[01:36:46] Hmm … 

[01:36:47] Jan: to be harvested And I got some pictures. And one day I’ll show them to you, but I got these pictures. And so they take them, and I says, “Man, how do you deal with your brain [01:37:00] to let the people take them, and then you’re only left with, say, 30 or 40?” ‘Cause as they’re coming across the bra- the train from Venezuela- Mm-hmm

[01:37:08] Jan: they come down through the train, and they’re on these cargo trains. Well, if they’re looking for different body parts and stuff, they take them off the train and they harvest them. When they’re, uh… Harvesting results in your death. It’s not like giving, like- Yeah, yeah, yeah … it’s not like a general anesthetic 

[01:37:22] Aaron: and a kidney, right?

[01:37:22] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[01:37:23] Jan: So, and I says to him, I said, “I don’t know how you deal 

[01:37:26] Aaron: with that.” So, so, so there’s people es- escaping, right? So- They’re cr- trying to come to America. That’s, is that the idea? 

[01:37:30] Jan: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. 

[01:37:31] Aaron: Yeah, so some, like, they’re crossing. 

[01:37:32] Jan: Mm. 

[01:37:33] Aaron: Some of them- Get- … naked and the other ones get taken and- 

[01:37:35] Jan: Harvest, yeah.

[01:37:37] Aaron: And so 

[01:37:39] Jan: the pastor- But you’ve heard about harvesting. Of course. Listen, you don’t have to, I, as I say to my children, you don’t have to believe me. You can Google it or you can YouTube it. No, no, 100%. 

[01:37:46] Aaron: And, and, and it’s- It’s, and it’s, it’s public record … it’s not, it’s not, I mean, it’s all, it’s in every country.

[01:37:49] Aaron: In every country. 

[01:37:49] Jan: Sorry? 

[01:37:50] Aaron: Every country. Yes, 

[01:37:51] Jan: every country. 

[01:37:51] Aaron: This is not a, there’s no special- But- … 

[01:37:53] Jan: like, thing … no. I, and I’m trying to help a friend of mine get elected to become a senator, because I want him to become [01:38:00] the only pastor that’s ever become a senator. And the reason I want this done is I want him to put into law that people in, say, this country- Mm

[01:38:11] Jan: just use this country- Mm-hmm … as an example. If they’d gone to another country and they got those kidneys or liver or whatever, and then they come to another country, that you go to the doctor and you tell them, the doctor, “Hey, listen, uh, I need the same drugs to stop…” Because you know you have to take drugs to stop your body rejecting the other body part, right?

[01:38:33] Aaron: Oh, oh, I didn’t- Yeah … I didn’t know. 

[01:38:34] Jan: Yeah. Okay. So anyway, you normally have to stay on drugs for the rest of your life for that. Like, if you get a replacement heart or something- Oh … you have to… But otherwise your body rejects it- It, it says it, oh, okay … ’cause it’s a foreign entity in your body. Okay, okay, okay.

[01:38:46] Jan: So I would like a law passed that if you can’t identify where you got your lung, your liver, your kidney, your eyeball, your heart, or whatever, it wasn’t given to you through a person having an [01:39:00] accident and they voluntarily- Mm-hmm … gave it to you- 

[01:39:02] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[01:39:02] Jan: I would like them prosecuted for murder. 

[01:39:05] Wow. 

[01:39:06] Aaron: Right, 

[01:39:06] Jan: because- Because- You’ve 

[01:39:06] Aaron: seen, because, 

[01:39:07] Jan: like, you see these guys get- Because that was- They’re getting taken off and then- Because that’s how…

[01:39:09] Jan: They, they don’t go along and say, “Hey, excuse me, I’d like your kidney.” They just go take it. 

[01:39:14] Aaron: Yeah. It’s a, 

[01:39:18] Jan: it’s a, it’s a crazy world So that’s 

[01:39:19] insane. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 

[01:39:21] Jan: So anyway, that’s not really why I came to talk to you about that, but- No, but that’s okay. 

[01:39:25] Aaron: I mean- 

[01:39:25] Jan: But that, that, that’s- Listen, at, at the end of the day-

[01:39:27] Jan: that’s the real trauma … the, it i- it is the, the vices. It’s a sin- Well, what would you do if, if you think you’re trying to get from Venezuela to America, and then lo and behold, you end up being harvest. You never made it. No. Yeah, yeah. You might as well have stayed in Venezuela. 

[01:39:41] Aaron: That’s, absolutely. Oh, of 

[01:39:42] Jan: course.

[01:39:42] Jan: You don’t, you don’t get on the train to sign up for that. No, no, no, no. And on top of that, you paid to come. You mean with the coyotes or what? Yeah. You paid the person who’s gonna transport you from point A to point B, and then you end up as a victim. 

[01:39:59] Aaron: Yeah, [01:40:00] yeah. 

[01:40:00] Jan: That’s not right. 

[01:40:01] Aaron: That’s tough. And so … Oh, okay.

[01:40:04] Aaron: Well, we got on that because the, the, the priest that- Well, that went off, so 

[01:40:07] Jan: that 

[01:40:07] Aaron: part- … the priest that, the priest that you met, he’s getting the- He- … getting the people to arrive. He- Kind of like yourself in a way. Well, but far worse. Arriving the people. 

[01:40:14] Jan: Far worse, man. I, 

[01:40:16] Aaron: I- But salvaging the guys that did make it.

[01:40:17] Aaron: That’s- Yes … that 

[01:40:17] Jan: was his job. And he would help them, and they’d get back on the tr- next train, and they would carry on across the Mex- Right, right … across Mexico, yeah. Okay. So 

[01:40:27] Aaron: one thing that, that is true, just to mention about the, the law that you’re mentioning, a- and I think a lot of these crimes against humans- 

[01:40:36] Jan: Yeah

[01:40:36] Aaron: okay, um, occur through vice or through, you can call it sin, you can call it whatever you want, but for example, on this trafficking, the trafficking when it’s sex trafficking- 

[01:40:47] Jan: Right … 

[01:40:48] Aaron: it comes through someone who’s ordering that human being. I mean, it, it, 

[01:40:53] Jan: like- There, there, there is, there would be no trafficking if there wasn’t…

[01:40:56] Jan: There would be no McDonald’s if nobody ate burgers. Right. [01:41:00] Uh, there would be no end result. So somebody on the other end, um, and a lot of those people are not necessarily very wealthy, they’re just sick- 

[01:41:15] Mm-hmm … 

[01:41:15] Jan: but, um, is paying for that service. So there would be- Yes … no orders of any kidneys or livers or lungs- 

[01:41:24] Right

[01:41:24] Jan: if the other side… If I told you, you said to me, “Oh, Jan, you know, I’m gonna go to hospital and I’m gonna sign up for a new kidney,” just say you did. And I said, “Oh, by the way, make sure you get one that’s, like, legal- Mm-hmm … because if not, you’re not only gonna get a new kidney, you’re gonna get put to death.”

[01:41:41] Jan: Now it doesn’t really matter if you’ve got a kidney or a liver or a lung- Yeah, yeah, yeah … no, you just get executed. I’m not a proponent actually f- of the, uh, capital punishment because I feel sometimes it doesn’t, it doesn’t perpetuate to the r- right levels to take somebody else’s life, to s- get the other pers- [01:42:00] I’ve, I…

[01:42:00] Jan: If I was incarcerated for life, I’d rather be put to death. 

[01:42:04] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:42:05] Jan: I don’t, I wouldn’t, I, h- prison is not a good place- 

[01:42:08] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm … 

[01:42:09] Jan: by any stretch of the imagination. 

[01:42:11] Aaron: I’ve seen a, I’ve seen an interesting story. Uh, well, I’ve had on this podcast, and I’ll share it with you, um, but there’s- 

[01:42:15] Jan: I spent a time as a chaplain in a penitentiary.

[01:42:17] Aaron: Yeah, I was gonna say, so in, in the penitentiary, exactly. So- 

[01:42:19] Jan: Yeah … 

[01:42:20] Aaron: there are some programs that are quite, um, effective. Actually, I mean, I, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll share with you the episode. Yeah. But there’s a, a friend of mine, Greg Capozzoli, and he’s led reform in prisons. 

[01:42:31] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:42:31] Aaron: Um, very, very effective, based on L. Ron Hubbard’s work- Yeah

[01:42:35] Aaron: uh, primarily The Way to Happiness. 

[01:42:37] Jan: Right. 

[01:42:37] Aaron: And, uh, there has been, uh, there is a, a video of people that will say, “Listen, the best thing that could’ve happened to me was to go to prison because they were able to rehabilitate.” I, and I’ve met people like that. Yes. 

[01:42:46] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:42:46] Aaron: You’ve, I mean, you’ve, you ministered in, in there.

[01:42:48] Aaron: Anyway- 

[01:42:49] Jan: I’ve met that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And some people said if it… And I had one person s- uh, I was in a women’s penitentiary, and, uh, the woman said to me, she said, “If it wasn’t for my husband turning me in for being a, [01:43:00] a, a dealer, a drug dealer, I’d be dead.” Do you know, the man used to come every week- It’s, uh, it’s, it’s, uh-

[01:43:05] Jan: and see her. But, but then other friends of mine that have been, uh, chaplains in men penitentiaries, the, um, the stories they’ve told me and the men I’ve spoken to. So the, I, I agree with your friend. Mm-hmm. And, and I agree with, uh, any level of rehabilitation is correct. But I’m just saying, um, you know, uh, I guess there’s two f- sides to the story.

[01:43:36] Jan: One, I would be a crazy person if you ever touched my children. 

[01:43:43] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:43:45] Jan: But if I’m logical and I’m sitting here- Um, the, uh, it would say, well, it would be better for that person to be incarcerated for a very … In actual fact, in my mind it [01:44:00] would, it’s worse. Yeah. 

[01:44:03] Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:44:03] Jan: But 

[01:44:04] Aaron: anyway. 

[01:44:04] Jan: It 

[01:44:04] Aaron: all depends on the prisons and conditions and- 

[01:44:06] Jan: Well, and most of them are pretty horrific.

[01:44:07] Aaron: Yeah, yeah. It’s- Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. Okay. So what I, I kind of, um, just to bring a… The- 

[01:44:18] Jan: Full circle. 

[01:44:18] Aaron: Sorry, yeah. Just to go back to the, the income and, and the ministry and how it funds itself. Uh, from what I’ve kind of gathered, but I guess I didn’t hear you say it specifically, is that, so you, you have a deal with the hospital to provide work, basically.

[01:44:29] Aaron: Almost like an employment agency. Yes. Right? And so you say, “Hey, I’ll provide, uh, these people who can work,” and you bring them up to that level, you reintegrate them to society. The hospital will pay you because it’s- Yes … some sort of co- a commission or a, a placement fee- No. No, I- … or how 

[01:44:42] Jan: do you- No. I actually invoice the hospital for the man-hours.

[01:44:45] Aaron: Okay. 

[01:44:45] Jan: But it’s not just a hospital, it’s m- 

[01:44:47] Aaron: Multiple … more… Yeah. Of course, you have to work, there’s multiple places. 

[01:44:50] Jan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[01:44:50] Aaron: Um, okay. And then what if, how do you, like, if you’re gonna multiply this- 

[01:44:55] Jan: Mm-hmm … 

[01:44:56] Aaron: right? Or, or, or, or are you showing [01:45:00] other people how to do it? Or is it like, or people just donate to this program to help, to get more people, help get a facility, or can they do it in some place?

[01:45:07] Aaron: Like, what is your- Yes … your next step here? 

[01:45:09] Jan: And, and so actually, I was talking… I, I suddenly realized that because of my background, and say somebody like yourself, I could say to you, “Hey, listen, you know, just do, um, a, a cost analysis on this and, uh, off you go.” You’d go, “Okay, Jan, you know, I can get that part.

[01:45:27] Jan: Uh, just show me this part with the people and the labor and this,” and you’d be fine. I suddenly realized that, uh, in seminary they teach you no business acumen at all. Mm. And in Bible school, they teach you no business acumen at all. They don’t teach you that two and two makes four. Mm-hmm. They t- might think that two and two makes a loaf of bread.

[01:45:51] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:45:52] Jan: And so, um, there is no common sense to it. So you get them come, the pastors come and they sit with you, and you say, [01:46:00] “Listen, this is what you have to do. Plus you have to deal with this person.” And they go, “Well, you know, there’s other places for them to do that, and there’s other charities that could help them with workforce, and there’s other…”

[01:46:13] Jan: But then what happens is, this is all segmented. How are you… So we’re like a one-stop shop. 

[01:46:20] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:46:21] Jan: You get your home, you get your job, you get your food, you get your income, and we will sort your transportation out. 

[01:46:28] Aaron: A true fresh start. 

[01:46:29] Jan: It’s a, well, it’s, it’s, it’s one-stop shop. 

[01:46:31] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

[01:46:32] Jan: So then- The people are loyal to you because you’ve helped them go forward.

[01:46:41] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:46:42] Jan: So if you’re using a biblical principle, which I’m not saying you need to, but from my standpoint, if you teach them how to fish- 

[01:46:52] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[01:46:53] Jan: they’re gonna be able to catch their own fish. Mm-hmm. If you keep handing them the fish, you’re gonna be as redundant as when you started. 

[01:46:59] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:46:59] Jan: [01:47:00] And if you don’t show them the basic plan of life, they’re not gonna get out of the minutia that they were in.

[01:47:06] Aaron: Right. 

[01:47:07] Jan: Or they were in the minutia, but they can’t get it together. They can’t get that piece together. They can’t get that fixed. So it’s sort of like short shock, shock treatment. Yeah. It’s like boom, and that it does work to a degree. It, it, it’s not foolproof. As I said to you, I have about a 20% failure rate.

[01:47:27] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:47:27] Jan: So two out of 10 don’t make it. 

[01:47:31] Aaron: On the failure rate people- 

[01:47:32] Jan: Mm … 

[01:47:33] Aaron: is there any common denominator that you see, something they might have adopted or, or, or what is, what is causing issues? You mean the, the 

[01:47:38] Jan: 20% that fail? 

[01:47:39] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:47:40] Jan: Mm-hmm. It’s normally, it’s normally to the economics. It’s what they used to do was very profitable.

[01:47:48] Aaron: Oh, okay. 

[01:47:50] Jan: And- Um, so you have to ask the question, [01:48:00] is it more peaceful to have this quality of life now that you can, if you’re patient, you could get back to that l- level of income by educating yourself? Or is it simpler to go back to where you were and earned a lot more money? Some of the people, not to be too graphic, um, I point out that, listen, it’s all nice and tight and looking good now, but add 30 years to yourself and you’ll end up looking like me.

[01:48:34] Jan: So, you know, and nobody is going to be excited about me. So, you know, you need to look to yourself and say your, uh, vocation that you’ve chosen in life is, um, going to- Limited … lim- is limited. Uh-huh. Very much so. And also, um, other aspects of criminality. Do you want your chil- like, like I ask the question when [01:49:00] they have kids, I say, “Don’t worry about yourself.

[01:49:02] Jan: What about your child?” Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t look at yourself. You’re meant to die for your child. Would it not be nice that you could come home every day and see your child? Would it be not nice that you can go to the park and play with your child? Would it not be nice you could see your child graduate?

[01:49:19] Jan: Would it be not nice that you could see your child grow up and have children? Because the path you’re gonna go down, I guarantee it’s not gonna be that. 

[01:49:27] Mm-hmm. 

[01:49:27] Jan: And also, in America, social service is gonna come take that child. Now what you gonna do? So you can either listen to me now or you listen to me later.

[01:49:37] Jan: Now, I will say this. If they fail and they come back, I’ll take them back. 

[01:49:42] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:49:44] Jan: Right? But if they affect the others by failing, then I will not put up with that. 

[01:49:51] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:49:52] Jan: They have to go. 

[01:49:54] Aaron: You mean like if they bring something to the, 

[01:49:56] Jan: they bring something in- If they bring something worse to the table that’s going to affect and [01:50:00] hurt the other people, they– I don’t care what they do to me.

[01:50:02] Aaron: Right. 

[01:50:03] Jan: Right? But if it’s going to bring, um, a more of a devastating reaction to, say, somebody else who’s very sensitive and everything else, then you have to go. 

[01:50:13] Aaron: Mm-hmm.

[01:50:17] Aaron: Thank 

[01:50:17] Jan: you. 

[01:50:18] Aaron: Okay, so how do someone like…

[01:50:24] Aaron: How do people, how do we support this movement, I guess is the question? Say I’m here, I’m like, “Hey, this is beautiful. You’re rehabilitating people, bringing them to society.” True help, right? It’s not just, “Here, take a piece of bread for one day- 

[01:50:35] Jan: Yeah … 

[01:50:35] Aaron: or for one second.” 

[01:50:36] Jan: You gotta change them. 

[01:50:37] Aaron: This is a true transformation.

[01:50:40] Jan: Um, how, how does someone get involved in, in, in this? Well, so this is the first year that we have stepped out because, uh, a friend of mine told me to step out. Otherwise, I don’t normally… You, you haven’t seen me on other TV shows and stuff. Mm-mm. [01:51:00] Mm-mm. And so Right now, um, we did a fundraiser the other day.

[01:51:08] Mm-hmm. 

[01:51:09] Jan: So if somebody wanted to do a f- if they had another nonprofit, like I don’t know if you have one or not- Mm-mm … but if you did, I could cohort with you and do it. Um, Protect Our Children is another ministry that I’m align myself with, with Ernie Rivera, ’cause that’s for the whole United States already.

[01:51:28] Jan: Mm-hmm. Um, that primarily affects schools to make sure that children have rights in schools to be protected, not to have to go th- you know, o- one girl, one bathroom- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm … one boy, one bathroom, nothing in between. So, um, and we really need to bring awareness so that, uh, that we could take that to the other 200 countries.

[01:51:58] Jan: So, [01:52:00] um, I guess, I guess that would be my answer. There’s three parts to it. You can either do it yourself- 

[01:52:07] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[01:52:08] Jan: and I will give you all the tools I’ve got. You can either- 

[01:52:11] Aaron: How does, how does someone reach you for that in case? 

[01:52:12] Jan: Oh, they, the, uh- Case 

[01:52:13] Aaron: there’s one. 

[01:52:14] Jan: Okay. So case one, we have to redo part one through 10, as I said the other day, rather than 10 through 20, ’cause I thought that telling you the structure of how I did it was enough.

[01:52:28] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:52:29] Jan: I’ve come to the conclusion that I, uh, uh, uh, how I said to William Ista, I said, “I’m even have to put down you need a pen and a paper.” 

[01:52:36] Yep. 

[01:52:36] Jan: You need a cellphone. You need a laptop. You need some type of address. 

[01:52:42] Mm-hmm. 

[01:52:43] Jan: But I was assuming that I was talking to pastors. 

[01:52:46] Mm-hmm. 

[01:52:47] Jan: I was assuming I was talking to imams.

[01:52:49] Jan: I was assuming that these people had got their act together. 

[01:52:52] Mm-hmm. 

[01:52:54] Jan: And they don’t. So right now, over the next couple of weeks, we’re trying to rewrite one [01:53:00] through 10, not 10 through 20. And 

[01:53:01] Aaron: those are the steps of what to do to start? 

[01:53:03] Jan: To start. Okay. Yeah. To br- like, even, like, you know, if you’re in America, go to, in Florida, go to Sunbiz, make sure you’re registered as a, a not-for-profit.

[01:53:13] Jan: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Make sure that you have qualified yourself to the IRS that you’re tangible and you’re credible. 

[01:53:22] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:53:22] Jan: Make sure that, um, what credentials you have around you are reflective of who you are. You know, I’m not- So 

[01:53:31] Aaron: you’ll give them the steps. 

[01:53:32] Jan: Yes, that’s- 

[01:53:33] Aaron: And, and to reach you is just through- Yeah

[01:53:34] Aaron: your email, I guess? 

[01:53:35] Jan: Or- So they can c- they can, they can just contact myself. Um- And we have allsaintsops@gmail.com. Okay. We have All Saints Ministries website. We have, uh, my phone number, which is crazy ’cause I put my cellphone number out there for everybody to call. I have people all over the world call me all d- time of day, so I [01:54:00] don’t really care about that.

[01:54:02] Jan: Um- 

[01:54:03] Aaron: Okay, so that’s the one. Yeah. One way is you can help them learn, they can contact you. 

[01:54:07] Jan: Yeah. 

[01:54:07] Aaron: And two and three. 

[01:54:08] Jan: Two, two, they could help us f- fund an outreach- 

[01:54:12] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[01:54:12] Jan: so we could raise up capital. 

[01:54:14] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[01:54:15] Jan: Yeah. And three, they could- And that’s all on 

[01:54:17] Aaron: your website? Or how do we, 

[01:54:19] Jan: how does someone- Yes, they could, they could go to the website and sign up, you know, send copious amounts of money to there .com.

[01:54:28] Jan: Or, um, and they could, they could be a partner with us, yeah. So not everybody’s going to go as deep as we do. So they could volunteer if they wanted to. Mm-hmm. They could set up a program. I talked to a lady the other day in, uh, Kentucky and, and she said, “Well, I can’t do all of that.” I said, “Well, you can start with one, and I’ll help you.”

[01:54:52] Jan: And, um, so some people could start on a smaller scale, and some people could do a bigger scale. Some [01:55:00] people, um… I had to learn from a pastor friend of mine that not all people are going to do what we do, but some people will just pay for it. 

[01:55:09] Aaron: Yep. 

[01:55:10] Jan: And, uh, he’s- I said, he said to me, he said, “Jan,” he said, “You know, they, they have already earned their money from their business, and they just need a tax write-off.”

[01:55:20] Jan: And I thought, “Oh, well, okay.” So- Uh, I’m not really good at taking money from people because I’m not giving them anything in return. So I try to give back. 

[01:55:33] Aaron: You are giving things in return. 

[01:55:35] Jan: Yeah, but like, so just say for example you said to me, “Okay, Jan, you know, we got this kitchen thing going on,” and blah blah blah.

[01:55:41] Jan: I say, “Okay, so how can I give back to your kitchen business? How can I put back to you?” That’s why I quite like the re- relationship that I have with the hospitals ’cause they get something out of it. Right. It’s, uh, 

[01:55:52] Aaron: symbiotic. Mm-hmm. 

[01:55:53] Jan: Yeah. Very symbiotic. So, um, I try to bring [01:56:00] value to the donation. If somebody s- said, “Oh, blah blah blah,” and I…

[01:56:06] Jan: This is not really right in lines of the IRS versus do- donation. It’s meant to be donated and that’s it. But in my mind, I have a real problem with it. I struggle with that because if you do something for me, I wanna do something for you. I don’t want you just to do something for me and then I have done nothing for you.

[01:56:23] Jan: Well, I- I’ll be walking around feeling guilty all day. 

[01:56:26] Aaron: Jan, I, I just wanna point out that- 

[01:56:28] Jan: Mm … 

[01:56:29] Aaron: you are doing that all day. You’re doing something for people who are literally receiving your help. Yeah, they’re gonna help you, but by becoming better human beings. 

[01:56:43] Jan: Right. 

[01:56:44] Aaron: And if someone donates to you, I donate to you, well, you’re helping me by salvaging people who are gonna be valuable citizens in the world.

[01:56:55] Jan: Right. 

[01:56:55] Aaron: So it is, it is an exchange. It is a, it is… Y- you will help. Anyone who, who [01:57:00] donates to you, you put that toward doing what you’re doing more- 

[01:57:05] Jan: And actual fact- … 

[01:57:05] Aaron: than that is. Than is there … we, and 

[01:57:06] Jan: we also do identify that. So I’m very open book. Like, if, um, I have an external payroll company, and I have an external invoicing company.

[01:57:17] Jan: So the money here and the money here has to equal the money here. So we are transparent like that. 

[01:57:29] Aaron: Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s fantastic. So anyway, guys, definitely support All Saints Ministries. Jan Underwood, truly a human being. I, I, I was trying to do math in my head. I can’t get it through right now, but from what you’re doing and the people that you’re working with, if, I don’t know 500,000 people, 100,000 people did what you were doing, this whole thing would be solved 

[01:57:51] Jan: Yes 

[01:57:51] Aaron: You know?

[01:57:52] Aaron: I mean, like, it doesn’t take that m- it doesn’t take the whole world because impacting 10,000 lives, like, that’s just unbelievable. And of course, all the [01:58:00] lives that- 

[01:58:01] Jan: But if we- 

[01:58:01] Aaron: All those people and w- who they affected, because it’s not just one life. ‘Cause one life, everyone in that circle, everyone who they meet is also affected.

[01:58:11] Aaron: So the ripple effect is, is massive 

[01:58:14] Jan: So if you have nine billion people and only 1.4 billion people need the help, then you only need to help a quarter of a human. 

[01:58:26] Aaron: Right. 

[01:58:27] Jan: Yes. Each person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don’t, you don’t need to, you don’t have to eat, you don’t have to sign up for a whole human. 

[01:58:32] Aaron: That’s true.

[01:58:32] Aaron: That’s 

[01:58:33] Jan: true. Yeah. So… And to be fair, because I live in America, to the American government, the 1.4 billion people, the taxpayers of the United States wouldn’t be able to pay for it. There is not enough. So a lady said to me, uh, a couple of years ago, she says, “Well, how much money do you m- need us?” Says, “We don’t have enough.”

[01:58:58] Jan: It’s not, it’s, it’s, you [01:59:00] have to just take it from where it is at. You can’t, you can’t try and absorb the whole thing. 

[01:59:06] Yep. 

[01:59:06] Jan: We could, we could have a movement, um, which would be awesome. Um, and coming to your point about religions, organizations, and groups

[01:59:25] Jan: My friend, and he’s a Scientologist, and he’s a really close friend of mine. And Some of my friends who are not Scientologists said, “Well, how can you work with him and this?” I says, “Well, okay, it’s real simple. You’re not doing what he’s doing for me. So if you want to do what he’s doing for me, then you do it, and I’ll tell him not to do it.”

[01:59:53] Jan: It’s not rocket science. And another friend of mine, Burhan, he [02:00:00] be- he came to help me because when he came to America, it was a priest who helped him. Mm-hmm. Not a Muslim, not, not the imam. It was a priest- Mm-hmm … who helped him and his mother when he come here as a refugee. So Burhan, so I says, “Burhan.” Burhan has keys to my house as well.

[02:00:17] Jan: I says, “Burhan,” he’s, he’s a funny guy. I says, “Burhan,” I says, “Hey, man.” I says, “Why do you wanna help me?” He goes, “Well, Jan, it’s just ’cause you help people,” he says. I says, “Well,” I said, “You know.” So the point is, it’s the consolidation of all of us coming together. 

[02:00:34] Mm-hmm. 

[02:00:35] Jan: Not to worry about if Burhan’s a, a, a Muslim, or I’m a Christian, or the other guy is an atheist.

[02:00:44] Jan: I have a friend of mine I will count… I will put my life down for this guy. 

[02:00:50] Mm-hmm. 

[02:00:50] Jan: And he thinks I’m as nutty as a fruitcake- Mm-hmm … ’cause he says, “Well, you know, Christianity’s just fake.” You know? Mm-hmm. It’s like you could call him Fred or whatever. So I go, “Okay.” But [02:01:00] the man has never let me down. 

[02:01:01] Aaron: Right. 

[02:01:02] Jan: So it’s not because he believes in what we do.

[02:01:06] Jan: So it’s not necessarily the faith-based part. To me, obviously, that’s important, but, but to other people, it should be the humanitarian part. Yes. It should be, and it’s not about the nationality, ’cause I’m about as far from an, a, a, a Latino person as you could get. Mm-hmm. And I always think that God hates me, ’cause he put me with all those Latino women.

[02:01:28] Jan: And, and so it’s as far as you could be. Mm-hmm. Why did God take a fat white guy from England, put him in America, and then send him to all those Latin women? Why? That doesn’t make sense, but it does, because it’s h- it’s humanity. It’s for everybody. Mm-hmm. It’s not a separation of me being English, them being, say, Spanish, y- um, me living in America.

[02:01:56] Jan: It’s no separation. It’s all of [02:02:00] us, and it’s for the same common goal, no? I think. You know? So, you know, I guess, um, at the end of the day, it has to be for the common goal of humanity. 

[02:02:14] Aaron: Absolutely. 

[02:02:15] Jan: Yeah. Now, my faith is my faith. Your faith is your faith. I’ve not questioned that since I’ve been here, so I don’t know.

[02:02:23] Jan: I don’t need to know. I do know the reality of it is obviously you have, um- Uh, uh, from sitting here, you have the same feelings towards changing people’s lives. 

[02:02:35] Aaron: Absolutely. 

[02:02:36] Jan: And so, you know, it would be awesome if we could have a giant party. Now, if we had a giant party, yet again, we should g- I’ve been to some of these nonprofit things, and, like, the chicken, I think, c- committed suicide.

[02:02:56] Jan: It’s so badly cooked. It was horrible and everything else. [02:03:00] And you pay, like, 200 bucks for it. Mm-hmm. And, and they say, “Well, it’s for the cause.” You don’t have to have bad food and bad entertainment just to raise up funds for people. Mm-hmm. So I, if, if I have my way, ’cause I, y- yet again, we’d be giving back value for money, right?

[02:03:14] Mm-hmm, 

[02:03:14] Jan: mm-hmm. Have a nice location, nice event, nice this, nice that, and then the people, they donate, like, I don’t know, 100 bucks, 500 bucks, $1,000, whatever, and then they had a… But they got something out of it, and they got to know that they changed somebody’s life. 

[02:03:30] Yep. 

[02:03:31] Jan: That’s, that’s how my brain thinks, and I know that’s not how some other peoples think.

[02:03:36] Jan: You know, they, people write scr- scratch, scratch checks for, like, millions of dollars, and that’s okay, too. But at the same token, they need to see where their money goes- 

[02:03:47] Aaron: Yes … 

[02:03:49] Jan: not into oblivion. Yeah. 

[02:03:51] Aaron: Absolutely. 

[02:03:51] Jan: They need to see… And I’m very much into inviting people to come and be with me, with the hope they might run off and do it themselves, [02:04:00] to be honest.

[02:04:00] Jan: But- 

[02:04:01] Aaron: I will put all the links down below, so really, if you wanna get involved, like, change someone’s life, see them go from- In your own town … misery. Yeah. Yes, to citizen, contributing- 

[02:04:14] Jan: Yeah … 

[02:04:14] Aaron: happy, saved, salva- whatever you wanna say. 

[02:04:17] Jan: Whatever you wanna call 

[02:04:17] Aaron: it. And religious or not religious. 

[02:04:20] Jan: Yeah. 

[02:04:21] Aaron: At the end of the day, it’s a godlike activity.

[02:04:26] Aaron: It is 

[02:04:26] Jan: a- But, you know, on a small scale … wonderful activity. Yes … on the tiniest, small scale, just offering some, knocking on somebody’s door. I used to live in London. 

[02:04:33] Mm-hmm. 

[02:04:34] Jan: Big city. And you know nobody, ’cause I come from a country- 

[02:04:38] Mm-hmm … 

[02:04:38] Jan: in the countryside where every villi- you know, villagey, everybody’s in your business.

[02:04:43] Jan: And then I… But offering somebody a cup of coffee or having a drink with them and just being personable is a start. 

[02:04:50] Aaron: Yep. 

[02:04:50] Jan: If you don’t have to do what we’re doing- 

[02:04:52] Aaron: Yep … 

[02:04:52] Jan: but you could do something just to be nice. 

[02:04:55] Aaron: That’s true. 

[02:04:55] Jan: Yeah, just a little bit. 

[02:04:57] Aaron: That’s right. 

[02:04:58] Jan: You know, that makes an impact. 

[02:04:59] Aaron: And that’s, [02:05:00] uh, that’s why the podcast is called Don’t Do Nothing.

[02:05:02] Jan: Oh, okay. ‘

[02:05:04] Aaron: Cause you can always do something. Absolutely. A little thing can reach very far. Yeah. So thank you very much- Yeah. Thank you … Gian. Really appreciate it. And, uh, it’s been great. That’s it. 

[02:05:14] Jan: Bye. 

[02:05:14] Aaron: Thank you