Don't Do Nothing

[00:00:00] Kerri: I wanted to be an actress and sing, and I wanted to do Broadway. And I remember my dad, Casey Kasem, who started American Top 40, and he was the voice of Shaggy on Scooby-Doo. We knew his wife was not going to let him see us when he got sick enough. She literally shut the gates to the house, fired his staff, turned his phone off, unplugged his computer, got rid of anything that he could communicate with.

[00:00:22] Kerri: My sister went and knocked on the door. Jean opened the door and slammed it in her face and said, you know, “You’re never gonna see your dad again.” I knew that if I didn’t fight with everything I had, that I would regret it till the day I die. I was told by two lawyers that I would never win guardianship over a wife of 34 years.

[00:00:41] Kerri: I fired them, right? 

[00:00:43] Aaron: How did you get into Scientology? 

[00:00:45] Kerri: So I did auditing, which is the therapy there, and in just a few hours of that auditing Was more precious to me and more helpful to me than all the therapy I had since I was eight years old. When you have something you want [00:01:00] so bad and you, you put your intention towards it, took me 40-something years.

[00:01:03] Kerri: Mm-hmm. But I did it. This one hit a billion views. Mm-hmm. I was literally treated like I had done a movie, like an A-lister. 

[00:01:10] Aaron: Guys, today I have TV and radio host who has reached hundreds of millions of people through TV and radio, maybe billions, okay? Uh, n- numbers of times, people hearing the voice, seeing the face.

[00:01:25] Aaron: This is- And the hair … 27 years live on radio. iHeartRadio. Had a huge show with the creator of Mötley Crüe, Nikki Sixx. Creator of a massively important nonprofit called Kasem Cares, which the story of that is heartbreaking, okay? Um, also Fields of Wellness, your wellness company, helping people improve their health, okay?

[00:01:54] Aaron: Huge, great radio show in ABC Radio, Viacom, a political show in [00:02:00] Vegas called Alan Stock and Kerri Kasem, even doing mortgage and finance shows. Basically a star. Five years of TV with the UFC, America’s Funniest Home Videos in Asia and Europe, Red Carpet Radio, interviewing some of the biggest rock stars in history.

[00:02:16] Aaron: Welcome to the Don’t Do Nothing Show, 

[00:02:18] Brad: Kerri 

[00:02:20] Aaron: Kasem. That’s 

[00:02:20] Kerri: unbelievable. Thank you so much for that intro. Most people just say, “TV and radio host Kerri Kasem.” 

[00:02:27] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:02:28] Kerri: It’s pretty extensive. 

[00:02:29] Aaron: Yeah, it’s very extensive, um, ’cause it matches what you’ve done. Yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s… I, I, I wanna s- I wanna just first start out and ask how do you get into this field?

[00:02:41] Aaron: Like r- like I don’t even know how people make money in the radio. I mean, the radio’s kinda free. You just hit the button, it’s radio. Like, it’s e- like I, I, I don’t understand the industry, and luckily you’re here. Yeah. So, like, how did you start in this? 

[00:02:52] Kerri: Well, I wanted to be an actress and sing, and I wanted to do Broadway, so that was my, my thing growing up, right?

[00:02:57] Kerri: I was always in plays. I was always doing, uh, [00:03:00] any kind of musical theater. I loved it, and I remember my dad, who, uh, made his, you know, name in radio, Casey Kasem- Mm-hmm … uh, who started American Top 40, and he was the voice of Shaggy on Scooby-Doo, along with, yeah, 350 other cartoon characters. Wow. So he told me, he’s like, “You should get into radio.”

[00:03:19] Kerri: I’m like, “Dad, they can’t see you. People can’t see you.” And nowadays everybody sees you, right? Yeah. 

[00:03:23] Aaron: Even- Right … 

[00:03:24] Kerri: you know, there’s podcasting. Even radio has, you know, they have their, um, cameras in, in the studio. Mm-hmm. But back then it was just voiceover work. 

[00:03:33] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:33] Kerri: And I thought, “No way.” So as I’m getting older and I’m doing, you know, musical theater and acting.

[00:03:40] Kerri: I’ve done some film. I, uh, I’m not happy. Th- I didn’t like the audition process. I love acting now. I, I, I’m fine with it, but I just wasn’t kind of finding my niche or my niche, and I was obsessed with talk radio. Obsessed with talk radio at a very young age. 

[00:03:58] Brad: Like, you liked listening to it? 

[00:03:59] Kerri: Loved it. [00:04:00] 

[00:04:00] Brad: Wow. 

[00:04:00] Kerri: Like, I loved it.

[00:04:00] Kerri: There was, like, a show that was 

[00:04:01] Aaron: like, you just had to… Like, “Oh, it’s playing right now,” boom, play it on. 

[00:04:04] Kerri: Um, yeah, Conway. There, Tim Conway Jr., uh, he had a show on the air, and I, I had to listen to him every day. Um, I was a Howard Stern listen- listener for a while. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Way back when, when it was good.

[00:04:19] Kerri: Sorry. Um, I, there was, um, there was a sage from South Central, Larry Elder. He was on. I remember ’cause my girlfriend at the time, I had this big, black curly hair. That’s what my hair is naturally. It’s, like, this huge curly Afro like Cher. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And she had the same thing, being blonde. Mm. So we were, like, the same size, the same look kind of, but she was blonde.

[00:04:39] Kerri: I, I was, I, black hair, and And we were both obsessed with radio. Mm. This is very interesting. I’ll tell you why I’m going this way. Uh, I would l- be listening to the, our favorite shows, and she’d be a caller. And I’d be like, “

[00:04:55] Ashley.” 

[00:04:55] Kerri: I’d be talking and then, “That’s Carrie,” and we’d call each other. We were on.

[00:04:59] Kerri: So [00:05:00] ridiculous. But we loved to talk radio. I ended up doing a podcast with her. We were one of the first podcasters ever. Wow. Wow. When nobody knew what podcasting was. Mm. Yeah. So it was called the K-Pod and- Cute … then I had that, and I had a show called, uh, The Red Pill podcast, and that was- Ooh, I like that name

[00:05:19] Kerri: way down the rabbit hole. When, when, 

[00:05:20] Brad: when was that? 

[00:05:21] Kerri: Red Pill podcast was- Rough … started in t- gosh, 2009. And- 

[00:05:26] Brad: That’s way before the red pill thing was a thing on the internet. 

[00:05:28] Kerri: Yeah, no, no. 

[00:05:29] Brad: For the record. 

[00:05:29] Kerri: Yeah, it was because- 

[00:05:30] Brad: Way before … 

[00:05:31] Kerri: the Matrix. 

[00:05:32] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:05:32] Kerri: Right? 

[00:05:33] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:05:33] Kerri: So you take the red pill, but, you know, that’s… So then, now I still own the name and it’s great, but, uh, yeah.

[00:05:38] Kerri: Wow. So I have the Red Pill podcast, and we had a guy, um, oh my gosh, what did we call him? H- people loved this guy. Mm. He was like a black ops dude. Oh, oh, we called him something. Oh my gosh. I’m blanking on the name we called him, but people loved this guy. So I would do the K-Pod, and then- So he was 

[00:05:55] Aaron: what, like a CIA or something?

[00:05:56] Aaron: Or what was it? 

[00:05:57] Kerri: Yeah, like way- Oh … like he was, you, you know, just, oh my God. 

[00:05:59] Aaron: [00:06:00] Was he in it, or he was just like, he 

[00:06:01] Kerri: knew about it? He was on it. He was on it. He knew everything about everything. So we would talk to him, and he would be in tunnels, and he would be… It was like the best. It was the best. He’d be on 

[00:06:10] Brad: the phone from a tunnel?

[00:06:11] Kerri: Yeah, or fr- or, you know, from an airplane. From this or that or wherever he could, we could get him. And he would tell us all about things that were coming up. Like he- Mm … talk about down the rabbit hole. Stuff that he talked about- Mm … like was happening afterward. 

[00:06:23] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:06:24] Kerri: But we, I mean, I, the first time I was censored was in 2012.

[00:06:27] Kerri: I had a woman named Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on. 

[00:06:29] Aaron: Oh, yes. 

[00:06:30] Kerri: Yeah. I 

[00:06:30] Aaron: know her. 

[00:06:31] Kerri: Yeah, 

[00:06:31] Aaron: she- She was one of the, the Disinformation 

[00:06:33] Kerri: Dozen, right? That’s correct, the 12. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s right. Yeah, yeah. The 12 that was the Disinformation Dozen. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Um, and now we have one in the White House, you know? So- Yes … uh, Bobby.

[00:06:41] Kerri: So, uh, yeah, had her on. She was phenomenal. She said, “When they tell you that there is…” She didn’t use the word pandemic, but there is going to be like a horrible disease that’s- Mm-hmm … you know, hitting everybody, and they tell you about a fantastic vaccine, [00:07:00] don’t take it. She actually said that to me on air.

[00:07:02] Wow. 

[00:07:03] Kerri: She said this to me on air. She goes- And then what 

[00:07:04] year was this? You said 

[00:07:05] Kerri: 2012? This was 2000… No, the, I tried to play it in 2012, so it was 2010, I think I interviewed her, or 2011. Wow. Oh my God. So yeah, so we’re on the air- 10, it was 10, yeah … she’s telling me about this. Yeah, telling me all about this, and she’s like, “I moved to Venezuela,” or she was in South America- Mm-hmm

[00:07:19] Kerri: because it’s gonna happen soon. 

[00:07:21] Wow. 

[00:07:22] Kerri: Didn’t happen- Yeah … that soon, but when I went to play the best of, and I wanted to include Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny- My engineer didn’t have it. It was no longer on Apple. I didn’t have it. My co-host didn’t have it. I went back on air- Like the file … gone. It was completely destroyed.

[00:07:42] Kerri: I went back on 

[00:07:43] Aaron: air- Wait, wait, wait. Is that ’cause you misplaced it or your, or something happened? Like, what do you mean? Like it- 

[00:07:47] Kerri: What do you think? 

[00:07:47] Aaron: Well no, but I’m asking. Like, hold on. But did you have it on a hard drive? Yeah. Like, did you- 

[00:07:53] Kerri: Yeah, and- 

[00:07:54] Aaron: And it was just… Was, did the hard drive go missing, or just the files just gone?

[00:07:57] Aaron: My 

[00:07:57] Kerri: co-host quit. Like it was gone. [00:08:00] And so I, I got back on air and I said, “We had thousands of downloads. We knew this.” 

[00:08:04] Brad: Yeah. “

[00:08:05] Kerri: Does anybody have The Dr. Sherry Tempany Show?” 

[00:08:08] Brad: And somebody- “

[00:08:09] Kerri: I will pay you.” 

[00:08:10] Brad: Yeah. “

[00:08:11] Kerri: I will give you an award.” Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Not one person had- Ooh … The Dr. Sherry Tempany Show. Oh. 

[00:08:14] Brad: What? 

[00:08:15] Kerri: It was completely erased.

[00:08:16] Kerri: So when I saw her a few years ago, I told her that. She goes, this exact words, “Yeah, sounds about right.” 

[00:08:23] Aaron: What? Mm. 

[00:08:24] Kerri: Completely censored. I didn’t even know they were censoring back in 2012. 

[00:08:27] Aaron: Mm. You were, you were naive back then. 

[00:08:30] Kerri: Yeah. Didn’t, didn’t… I

[00:08:36] Kerri: thought 

[00:08:36] Aaron: America was free. You didn’t think that would happen . I- America. Yeah. Thought America was free. America’s as free as people can, uh, make it free. 

[00:08:39] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:08:39] Aaron: Yeah, that’s true. People stop making it free, then it stops becoming- 

[00:08:42] Kerri: That’s right … 

[00:08:42] Aaron: something free. Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:43] Kerri: Well, because we’re all under the impression that we are living in a free country, and we’re told that.

[00:08:49] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:50] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:08:52] Kerri: You know, we can go- Yeah … way down the rabbit hole on that one. Whoa. Wow. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we, I have, I have a lot to say about that. Yeah. I don’t know if that’s a, this kind of show, but- No, 

[00:08:58] Aaron: this is fine. So what, what [00:09:00] I… Actually, that kind of leads into one thing where this is a topic which I know, you know, right, this show, um, we, we are Scientologists.

[00:09:08] Aaron: Yes. Okay? And we interview a lot of Scientologists. 

[00:09:10] Kerri: Awesome. 

[00:09:11] Aaron: And, um, one thing that I really believe in, I think 99% of Scientologists believe in, is that the forced coercion of a person into care- 

[00:09:23] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:09:23] Kerri: Yeah … 

[00:09:24] Aaron: uh, is against human rights. 

[00:09:26] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:09:26] Aaron: Um, that could be a psychiatrist, that could be whatever. It could be a, a…

[00:09:30] Aaron: Here in Florida, um, we have the Baker Act which police officers can do it. That’s right. There’s- Yeah … there’s various things like that, and there’s a, there’s a topic which made news, uh, huge news, um, obviously with, uh, with Britney Spears, right? With the, uh, thing called the conservatorship, right? Mm-hmm. And I believe, uh, y- your father went through something similar and anyway, your foundation deals with something of this.

[00:09:51] Aaron: Is that correct or am I- That’s right. Okay, that’s correct. That’s right. So can we go into that, like who, the people that don’t understand this, which might be a lot, like what is this [00:10:00] area of law and how does it work, and how did you end up being a proponent and, and, and a, and a, and a freedom fighter on this topic?

[00:10:08] Aaron: Sure, 

[00:10:08] Kerri: yeah. Um, my father was, uh, well, he got sick with what we thought was Parkinson’s. 

[00:10:15] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:15] Kerri: And we knew his wife was not going to let him see us- When he got sick enough because she had done that to her own mother with her own siblings. Mm. So we talked to my dad, he knew he was sick, and he signed over a power of attorney for health, not money, not nothing, just health, for health decisions- Mm-hmm

[00:10:37] Kerri: to myself, my sister, and my brother. 

[00:10:39] Mm. 

[00:10:40] Kerri: My sister being in the medical field, her husband being a doctor at UCLA, uh, my dad trusted them with, uh, the medical decisions. 

[00:10:47] Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:48] Kerri: And he talked to us about what was going on, but he knew that we were right in asking for the power of attorney. We would only pull it out if she kept him from us, if [00:11:00] she, you know, wouldn’t let us talk to the doctors, if, if what happened happened- Mm-hmm

[00:11:03] Kerri: which it did. Uh, and 

[00:11:07] Aaron: we put it- What, how old was he at this time? 

[00:11:09] Kerri: He’s, uh, I think it’s 70… Oh, no, no, no. He, he must have been Well, when he signed it, probably in his late 70s. 

[00:11:20] Brad: Okay. 

[00:11:20] Kerri: Yeah. Hmm. When he signed it late 70s. So, so when it did come time, because my stepmother decided, “Okay, well, he can’t get out of bed.

[00:11:31] Kerri: We don’t have to– He can’t say ‘Hey’” to his driver, “‘Can you please take me to my children’s house?’” Yeah. Which he would come every weekend. Mm. Every single weekend. 

[00:11:40] Mm. 

[00:11:40] Kerri: He would call us every single night. Lebanese dad, you know? Like- … it’s so, you know, uh, just constantly keeping in touch with us, which I, which I just loved, and I, I adored him.

[00:11:49] Kerri: And when he got sick enough, she literally shut the gates to the house, fired his staff, turned his phone off, unplugged his computer- … got rid of all- anything that he could [00:12:00] communicate with. 

[00:12:00] Brad: Mm. Whoa. 

[00:12:01] Kerri: And- Just 

[00:12:02] Brad: snip the communication lines … 

[00:12:03] Kerri: completely shut us off. Yeah. And we called and called. She wouldn’t put us on the phone with him.

[00:12:07] Kerri: She wouldn’t let us see him. My sister– I remember this very clearly. My sister went and knocked on the door, and Jean opened the door and slammed it in her face and said, you know, “You’re never gonna see your dad again.” And then she called me- Hmm … just bawling. Mm. I’m on an airplane with my producer, ’cause I’m doing this show for iHeartRadio- Mm-hmm

[00:12:32] Kerri: uh, uh, with, with Nikki Sixx. It was called The Six Sense. And when Mötley Crüe went on tour, so did I. 

[00:12:38] Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:39] Kerri: Mm. So this is my big show, and I’m o- sitting on the runway, and I just happen, I just pick up the phone. And she’s just like, “She’s not gonna let us see Dad. She’s not letting us in. She’s not…” And I knew at that point, ’cause we had been trying for months to see my dad- 

[00:12:54] Brad: Mm-hmm

[00:12:55] Kerri: that we’re gonna have to, you know, do something about this. 

[00:12:58] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:58] Kerri: And I called Adult [00:13:00] Protective Services, thinking that they could help. Nope. They take the worst of the worst cases. Oh. They are overloaded. They weren’t– didn’t seem very caring. 

[00:13:10] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:13:12] Kerri: Called the police for a wellness check. Uh, they, they went in, and he’s fine.

[00:13:20] Kerri: Like, okay, w- I– wait, hold on. We’re his kids. What do you mean we can’t see our dad? 

[00:13:24] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:26] Kerri: So I decided that I knew if this hit the news, ’cause my dad, uh, was very, very famous in his time, um, it was gonna be stepmother versus stepkids. Right? So I remember driving back from Las Vegas and going, “I know exactly what I’m gonna do.

[00:13:44] Kerri: I’m gonna call up every single one of my dad’s friends, and we’re gonna stand outside of his house with signs that say, ‘We love you, Casey.’ You know, ‘We’re your voice now.’” My dad’s friend of, uh, there was one that was 67 years, friend fi- like 50-something years, his, [00:14:00] his right-hand man of, uh, I think it was 40-something years.

[00:14:04] Kerri: So many people I called up and had to convince, “Please stand with me, ’cause this is gonna break, and I need it to be, not be kids, step-kids against stepmom. I need you to all say that you can’t get ahold of my dad either,” ’cause she had cut everybody off. 

[00:14:17] Hmm. 

[00:14:17] Kerri: Hmm. So people who worked with my dad, family members flew out from Michigan, his, his own brother came out.

[00:14:22] Kerri: I mean, I got a huge group of people, and we stood outside of his house with signs. Nothing, though, that would’ve said horrible things about my stepmom. Nothing. Mm-hmm. We just kept it like, “We love you, we’re your voice now.” And my sign said, “Jean, why won’t you let me see my dad?” 

[00:14:36] Hmm. 

[00:14:37] Kerri: And we called the media, and they came, and when the story broke, it wasn’t just us kids against stepmom.

[00:14:46] Uh-huh, mm-hmm. 

[00:14:47] Kerri: It was everyone who couldn’t see my father. 

[00:14:49] Hmm. 

[00:14:50] Kerri: And I realized very quickly, getting a lawyer, trying to go see my dad, that there is no law that protects adult children [00:15:00] wanting to visit a parent or a loved one. If you’re under 18, you have the right. Hmm. Over 18, you don’t. 

[00:15:07] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:15:08] Kerri: Yeah. Over 18 you, you- Oh, wow

[00:15:10] Kerri: it’s like, “

[00:15:10] Aaron: Oh, no.” And so, so, so here’s, I guess, a question on this, just, uh, maybe legal or how it works, because if he w- he could talk still, communicate? 

[00:15:20] Kerri: He, he could talk a bit, mm-hmm. He could talk a bit. He had a very, very hard time talking. 

[00:15:24] Aaron: So if, um- 

[00:15:26] Kerri: But yes, he could talk a little bit … 

[00:15:27] Aaron: let’s say the police went and like, “Would you like to see your kids?”

[00:15:30] Aaron: And he’s like, “Yes,” and then could they- They don’t 

[00:15:32] Kerri: ask that. 

[00:15:32] Aaron: They don’t. Okay. Yeah. And so, so- Even like mail or s- ca- can, is there a way to, like, say, okay, you know, the, the, the wife, which how long had he been married? 

[00:15:44] Kerri: 34 years. 

[00:15:44] Aaron: 34 years. Mm-hmm. Okay. So it was a long marriage- Yeah … actually. 

[00:15:47] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:15:47] Aaron: Okay. So, um, bring a note or like, h- I don’t, is, how, is, what, what other ways are there to reach?

[00:15:56] Aaron: Because if he wants to see you- 

[00:15:59] Kerri: Mm-hmm … [00:16:00] 

[00:16:00] Aaron: and she doesn’t allow it, like, I don’t know if, is that against the law or like, are you, like- No, 

[00:16:04] Kerri: I’ll tell you. I’ll tell, let me explain this. Yeah. Because he was in a house that she lived in as well. Yeah. So if we come in, she doesn’t want us there, we’re trespassed. 

[00:16:12] Brad: Mm.

[00:16:12] Brad: Right? Mm. 

[00:16:14] Kerri: So there is a bill, it’s called the Patient’s Bill of Rights. Uh-huh. And it is good for hospitals, and it’s good for, um, convalescent centers. Mm. Not assisted living and not a, um- Home … home. 

[00:16:25] Brad: Not a private residence. 

[00:16:26] Kerri: Correct. Yeah. Not a private residence. 

[00:16:27] Brad: Wow. 

[00:16:28] Kerri: So this is where- … this is where it got very interesting, is we fought and fought, and unfortunately, my sister and brother signed an agreement with my stepmother to see my dad, and my stepmother is a pathological liar, in my opinion, so you don’t get sued.

[00:16:45] Kerri: Um- Uh, so she, I said, “We, we actually came to the agreement we would never sign any agreement with her because she doesn’t keep her word.” And she, behind my back, they signed an agreement stating that they would no longer [00:17:00] sue, ask for guardianship or conservatorship, uh, and let go of everything if they could see my dad.

[00:17:05] Kerri: She- And so they signed it 

[00:17:06] Aaron: and then, uh- Signed it and 

[00:17:07] Kerri: then never saw him. So yeah. So I was the only one left to fight. Mm-hmm. And I I knew that if I didn’t fight with everything I had, that I would regret it till the day I die. 

[00:17:23] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:23] Kerri: Mm-hmm. So whether I won or not, I knew. And, and what’s funny is I knew I was gonna win.

[00:17:28] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:28] Yeah. 

[00:17:29] Kerri: There wasn’t ever a time where it was like, “I’m not gonna see my dad again.” There was just, “Of course I’m gonna see my dad again.” There was not- 

[00:17:34] Aaron: Yep. 

[00:17:36] Kerri: Yeah. In Scientology you call it Tone 40. 

[00:17:38] Aaron: Yeah, yeah, 

[00:17:39] Kerri: yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That’s, it was just, that’s it. Absolute determination. 

[00:17:40] Aaron: No other thought, no negative- Yeah

[00:17:42] Aaron: no possibility of anything else happening. 

[00:17:43] Kerri: That’s correct. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It was just, it’s gonna happen. So I was told by two lawyers that I would never win, uh, guardianship over a wife of 34 years. 

[00:17:52] Hmm. 

[00:17:52] Kerri: I fired them. And 

[00:17:55] Brad: I- That’s great. 

[00:17:56] Kerri: Correct 

[00:17:56] Brad: action. I love 

[00:17:57] Kerri: that. That’s right. Yes. Uh, and I got somebody who believed in my [00:18:00] case, and I, I remember going to my lawyer who took it on and said, “If I can bring you people who are working at that house right now, who will te- who will tell you what’s going on for real, will you take my case on?”

[00:18:11] Kerri: And before we sat down at California Pizza Kitchen and had all those workers walk in one at a time, he said yes. 

[00:18:19] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:18:19] Kerri: He took it on. And I remember having these gut feelings- Wow … and every single time I’m like, “She’s gonna do this.” Because when- Mm … somebody accuses you of doing something, they’re doing it themselves.

[00:18:31] Kerri: Yep. That’s right. So I went, “Okay, she’s accusing this-” That’s right … “she’s doing this. Let’s look there. Let’s go there. Let’s go-” Yeah. I could, I could cut her off at every pass. Yeah. I won every single, every single court, uh, not case, but it was- 

[00:18:42] Aaron: Hearing? 

[00:18:43] Kerri: Yeah, it’s a hearing, and then, and I’d win. I’d win, I’d…

[00:18:46] Kerri: And, and I- And like motions … I would impeach her. Motions. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Mm-hmm. I would impeach her, meaning I would show that she was not telling the truth- Hmm … every time. So I said, “This is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna say my dad signed over a power of attorney to us. [00:19:00] We’re not gonna say anything about the film.

[00:19:01] Kerri: We’re not gonna say anything about him being on tape. She’s gonna call us frauds because she has done that. She has signed, uh, my father’s name on documents. She has done– She’s fraudulently done things like that.” Hmm. “So she’s gonna accuse us. Wait, let her do it.” She did exactly… She played right into our hands- Hmm

[00:19:18] Kerri: and then we gave them the videotape. Hmm. Yeah. Then she lied and said, “Oh, he was under this. He had just had an operation. He was this.” We called the doctor. “Is that true?” “No, that’s not true.” That was months ago. 

[00:19:30] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:19:31] Kerri: Um, so everything she kept trying to do, we w- I would catch her. And I said, “If I’m not going to win this court case, I’m gonna change the law.”

[00:19:42] Hmm. 

[00:19:42] Kerri: So I started the foundation. Mm-hmm. I started Kasem Cares. 

[00:19:45] Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:46] Kerri: And all of a sudden, it’s like, you know when you’re supposed to be doing something, everything just comes to you? 

[00:19:51] Yep. 

[00:19:52] Kerri: So I– my stepfather is a lobbyist. My mom was a Republican fundraiser. My dad was a, uh, tree-hugging liberal, [00:20:00] and I got- I was– I’ve been, uh, independent forever ’cause I believe I vote in who I like.

[00:20:04] Kerri: I don’t care if you’re Democrat- Mm-hmm … or Republican. Mm-hmm. I’m going to vote who I think is the best man- 

[00:20:09] Aaron: Yep … 

[00:20:09] Kerri: or woman. So I- it was great ’cause I got both sides of it. And, um, where am I going with this? So, uh- Oh, yeah. So my, so my, so my, uh, stepdad’s a lobbyist, and I’m like, “I, I need to write a bill. I need to do this.”

[00:20:24] Kerri: And my- Hmm … my lawyer’s like, “I’ll– I’m gonna help you write this bill.” And I’m like, “We need to, we need, we need to have somebody, you know, like, uh, carry it.” I didn’t know the word, so I’m like, “You know, get the bill g-g…” And my stepfather’s like, “Carrie, that’s what I do.” 

[00:20:37] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:20:38] Kerri: I didn’t even, like, put two and two together.

[00:20:39] Kerri: He’s like, “This is what I do. I’m a lobbyist. I will lobby on your behalf. We will find you a representative- Hmm … or a senator to carry this bill.” 

[00:20:47] Hmm. 

[00:20:48] Kerri: And I said, “Great.” So I was just going with just- I was just going. I didn’t know what I was doing. I was just going, and I knew that I just set an intention that I’m going to get this bill [00:21:00] across, and I’m going to win this court case.

[00:21:03] Kerri: So, uh, I actually won guardianship over my father because- Wow … yeah, my stepmother did something so egregious- 

[00:21:11] Mm … 

[00:21:11] Kerri: that, uh, I had won a visitation because I pulled out the Patient’s Bill of Rights that I was telling you two about. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah. The Patient’s Bill of Rights allows someone who is a patient, um, to see and communicate with whoever they want.

[00:21:31] Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:31] Kerri: It is illegal to take away their phone, their computer, a- any means of communication. 

[00:21:35] Mm. 

[00:21:36] Kerri: Mm. So I’m on KABC, on my radio show. I did a law show for seven years, uh, in Los Angeles, and I interviewed a lawyer, a lawyer, uh, named Martha. And Martha, uh, said afterwards… She looks like a cute little PTA mom.

[00:21:50] Kerri: She’s really sweet, little blonde bob, little pearl necklace. And she’s like, “You know, you can see your dad.” I’m like, “Oh, she really doesn’t know my case.” [00:22:00] Uh- 

[00:22:00] Brad: She just comes on and says this? 

[00:22:01] Kerri: Yeah, she’s w- she said it after I interviewed her. 

[00:22:03] Brad: Oh, 

[00:22:03] Kerri: okay. And I’m like, “Well, how?” And she’s like, “Well, you’ve got the Patient’s Bill of Rights, and your father said in court, using his attorney, that he wanted to see his kids.

[00:22:13] Kerri: Do you know how I know?” I said, “No, how do you know, Martha?” She’s like, “Because I was sitting in that courtroom.” 

[00:22:18] Aaron: Huh. 

[00:22:20] Kerri: And she’s like, “I’m gonna walk you in with the Patient’s Bill of Rights and the court. We can have the, the, um, minutes from the court, and we’re gonna, we’re gonna get you visitation.” And lo and behold, two days later- Hmm

[00:22:31] Kerri: I’m sitting next to my dad. Wow. And I call my brother and sister. I’m like, “Hey, we can see, we can see Dad.” Uh, I had, um- 

[00:22:38] Aaron: And you were able to come basically all the time, any time afterwards? Or- 

[00:22:40] Kerri: This is what happened … okay. So they were so relieved, the facility that they were in, ’cause he had been kind of left there with no one.

[00:22:49] Kerri: His wife had never visited. They didn’t even know what she looked like. Um, he had… It was a barren, like pretty much barren, so even his glasses that he needed weren’t, wasn’t there. Like, he- they was just left there. So- 

[00:22:59] Aaron: [00:23:00] So, oh, so it wasn’t at the house, so you had the Patient’s Bill. Okay, okay. This was at, this was at a facility.

[00:23:03] Aaron: So now you know about the Patient’s Bill of Rights. At that time, you had no clue about the Patient’s Bill of 

[00:23:06] Kerri: Rights. Yeah, none. I had no idea. 

[00:23:07] Aaron: So as soon as he would’ve got into the facility, you knew, like you would’ve been able to see 

[00:23:12] Kerri: him. We could use him. 

[00:23:13] Aaron: Wow. 

[00:23:13] Kerri: Like she, yeah, she had kept him a- like outside of the…

[00:23:17] Kerri: She had kept him, like, outside of, uh, the house in condos, in facilities, because she had a boyfriend. Mm. So she kept him away as much as possible from the house. Hmm. Yeah. It was, it was really sad. So anyway, I, I, I won visitation. I sat with my dad for three hours. He’s like, he’s like, “Are you coming back?” I said, “Dad, we’ll be back every single day.”

[00:23:40] Aaron: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:23:41] Kerri: Uh, and then they had to tell his wife that we had a visit. She went absolutely ballistic. 

[00:23:46] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:23:47] Kerri: At 3:00 in the morning. 

[00:23:48] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:23:48] Kerri: She walked into the facility. They didn’t know who she was- Mm … because they had never seen her before. Mm-hmm. So she had, they had to get her, you know, license, and w- and like, “Who are you?”

[00:23:56] Kerri: Yeah. She’s like, “I’m taking him out of here. You gave him a visit with [00:24:00] his kids.” She unplugged him from his feeding tube, his IVs, everything, took him and put him in a wheelchair and threw him in the back of a truck. Like, like no ambulance, which he’s got- Uh-huh … very thin skin. He’s got, you know, he’s… He looked fantastic when we saw him, by the way, and he could still speak a bit.

[00:24:16] Hmm. 

[00:24:16] Kerri: Not much, but a little bit. Wow. And, uh, and then she took him, and nobody could find him. Nobody knew where he was. So that’s when I called the police. “He’s missing.” Nobody believed me. Nobody would talk about it. The news did. The news was like, “Casey Kasem is missing. His kids are trying to find him.” 

[00:24:31] Hmm.

[00:24:32] Kerri: The judge, the next day ruled in my favor because the, his doctor said what Gene Kasem did would gravely injure or harm or cause death. 

[00:24:45] Brad: Mm-hmm. Wow. 

[00:24:46] Kerri: And he gave me conservator over my father. 

[00:24:48] Brad: Wow. 

[00:24:49] Kerri: It took us a couple weeks to find him because she went from state to state hiding him. By the time we found him- 

[00:24:54] Brad: Oh my 

[00:24:54] Kerri: gosh

[00:24:54] Kerri: he was a mess. He had a kidney infection. He had bed sores all over him. He [00:25:00] was in severe pain and very, very sick. Mm. And, uh, I went to Washington with my conservatorship. 

[00:25:07] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:07] Kerri: And because she crossed state lines, it was no good, so I had to fight over again. So now I’m back in court in Washington fighting- Oh my-

[00:25:14] Kerri: and fighting and fighting 

[00:25:15] Brad: and fighting … word. 

[00:25:16] Kerri: Yeah. ‘

[00:25:16] Aaron: Cause it, it applies to like let’s say, let’s say Texas, and if it wouldn’t apply to Tennessee. 

[00:25:20] Kerri: They’re changing the law, and it’s good and bad. It’s good and bad. Yeah. Because if you get into a bad conservatorship, you can just cross state lines and hopefully be okay.

[00:25:27] Kerri: Yeah. But now they’re, they’re kinda changing that, so it’s, it’s not that way. 

[00:25:31] Aaron: Interesting. 

[00:25:31] Kerri: Because conservators, there are some good conservators and, and guardians that really care about people. Right. Mm-hmm. And then you get these predators that have 800 people under them. How are you taking care of 800 people?

[00:25:40] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:25:41] Kerri: Well, what they do when the, the children- Interesting … complain about the care, they block them, and the per- Mm … the person dies alone. Mom or dad dies alone. 

[00:25:47] Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:47] Kerri: And then if the, if the loved one has enough awareness, they’ll start making videos. So if you go to YouTube, you can see videos of, “Why am I in here?

[00:25:57] Kerri: Why won’t they let me out?” You know, “I was, I [00:26:00] served this country. I have a company. They’ve taken everything from me. Please, why are…” Oh, wow. Most horrible thing you can watch, and I couldn’t let this go on. So as I’m doing my radio show and we’re about to take off to do another tour, it was either stay and fight for my dad, which there was no…

[00:26:22] Kerri: It wasn’t even a question. It was just, “Yes, I’m gonna stay.” And then what I did was I fought in court, and I was up in Sacramento trying to get a bill passed, trying to get a bill passed. Hmm. You know, getting people. And I started to gather so many people that this had happened to. Yeah. Because we needed people to testify.

[00:26:40] Kerri: And the first person to come and testify was Mickey Rooney, Rooney’s daughter. Now, Mickey Rooney’s a very old-time movie star, and to, to this day, she is one of my dearest friends. And then there was another woman named Kathy Braun. All of our dads died in the same year within a few months of each other.

[00:26:55] Aaron: Oh. 

[00:26:56] Kerri: Yeah. Under, under conservatorship guardianships. [00:27:00] Hmm. I did get- 

[00:27:01] Aaron: So, so in this case it was… So first, your mother-in-law, Jean, she had a conservatorship. 

[00:27:05] Kerri: Stepmother. 

[00:27:06] Aaron: Stepmother, sorry. 

[00:27:06] Kerri: Stepmother didn’t have anything. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. She was married, so she had a- Oh, she was 

[00:27:08] Aaron: married, 

[00:27:09] Kerri: okay. Yeah, she was married.

[00:27:09] Kerri: She didn’t, she didn’t go for that. Uh, it was interesting. I don’t know if she knew. We didn’t really know what we were doing, I think any of us. 

[00:27:16] Aaron: Hmm. 

[00:27:17] Kerri: Um, but I did win again in, in Washington, and I got to spend the last two weeks of his life by his bed. My brother flew back in from Singapore, where he was living.

[00:27:25] Kerri: My sister was there. His brother came, my aunt, um, and, uh, one of his right-hand man, Gonz. And we were all with him for two weeks. And, uh, and my stepmother, in court, I said, “Sh- he wants to see you I, I, it’s like I am the conservator. I have conservatorship. You do what the person wants, not what you want. 

[00:27:48] Brad: Mm-hmm.

[00:27:49] Brad: Mm. Yeah. 

[00:27:50] Kerri: My dad wanted to see her. 

[00:27:51] Brad: Mm. 

[00:27:51] Kerri: None of us wanted her there. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s not about us. 

[00:27:55] Brad: Right. Yeah. 

[00:27:55] Kerri: It’s about what does he want, 

[00:27:56] Brad: right? Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:57] Kerri: She came in, she made a whole scene that we’re [00:28:00] killing him, and that he’s blinking and giving SOS, saying, “I need to be out of here.” My dad couldn’t talk at that point.

[00:28:06] Kerri: Huh. Unable to really communicate. You can look around and stuff. He’s not doing SOS with his eyes. A nurse was in there, said he grabbed my hand and wouldn’t hold on. None of that was true. Um, and she’s telling the media that we’re, we’re, we’re killing him for money or this or that. It’s like, we welcomed you there.

[00:28:23] Kerri: We want you there. Mm-hmm. When my father was dying and we knew he had a day left, we called and called and called. My attorney called, never answered the phone. 

[00:28:30] Wow. 

[00:28:31] Kerri: Never answered, didn’t care to be there. His, his, my half-sister didn’t care to be there. They were gone, and they had a court order that they could be there with us.

[00:28:40] Brad: Hmm. 

[00:28:40] Kerri: So it was, it was a s- it was very sad. It was a, it was a horrible situation, but from the hundreds of letters I got, I couldn’t just say I’m gonna fight for my family. I had to fight for everybody else. Yeah. So long story short, I ended up winning the case with my father. Sad ending, but I, I, [00:29:00] I won that, and then the next year I passed a law in California.

[00:29:03] Kerri: Now there’s two laws. I just passed another law a year ago. 

[00:29:05] Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:05] Kerri: Um, allowing visitation. You ask… So if somebody’s been blocked from visitation to mom or dad- Mm … they can go into court and ask for visitation without having a huge hearing. Hmm. Without having to, you know, get a lawyer. It’s like- It’s 

[00:29:20] Brad: just a routine.

[00:29:20] Kerri: Right. Yeah. So the evidence is transferred to the perpetrator, the one stopping. So if, if, if there’s somebody in your family- The 

[00:29:28] Brad: burden of evidence. 

[00:29:29] Kerri: Yeah, the burden of evidence- Yeah. Yeah … goes on them. 

[00:29:30] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:29:31] Kerri: That’s right. That’s right. 

[00:29:32] Brad: Mm. 

[00:29:32] Kerri: So if there’s somebody in your family that right now is already, you know, doesn’t like you, doesn’t like the kids, doesn’t like Prevention, prevention, prevention.

[00:29:45] Kerri: Get in the room with mom or dad, tape it, have a newspaper that says the date so they can’t lie, ’cause they’ll say, “Oh, this was coercion. Mom wasn’t, you know, there.” Mm-hmm. Yeah. “Dad wasn’t there.” Yeah. No. Here’s the date. Here’s all the kids sitting around. [00:30:00] Film it. You can have an attorney there. Have as many people present as possible- Yeah

[00:30:03] Kerri: and say, “This is what I want. If there, if in my sickness a caretaker is keeping me away from my family, friends, and loved ones,” name all of them. 

[00:30:12] Aaron: Mm-hmm. “

[00:30:13] Kerri: They shall be removed immediately.” 

[00:30:15] Aaron: Hmm. 

[00:30:15] Kerri: Then you say, “This is what I want to happen. This is what…” Have it on tape. 

[00:30:19] Aaron: Interesting. 

[00:30:19] Kerri: Get it notarized. Have… You know, that is so very, very important, because once it gets to the point where I was at, unless you have a lot of money to hire a good attorney, and even then, you may never see your mom or dad again.

[00:30:32] Brad: Mm-hmm. Wow. 

[00:30:33] Kerri: Yeah. So it is a very scary situation. I have tried to go federal. There’s a watered-down bill, um, one of my board members got passed a few years ago, Rick Black. Um- What does a 

[00:30:44] Aaron: watered-down bill mean? 

[00:30:45] Kerri: Meaning there’s not a lot of help it gives. Mm-hmm. It’s there. Okay. 

[00:30:49] Aaron: I got it. I 

[00:30:49] Brad: got it. Yeah. Doesn’t do much.

[00:30:50] Brad: But doesn’t do much. And is that, is that really the purpose of Kasem Cares? 

[00:30:55] Kerri: Yeah. We, we go and we, we educate. 

[00:30:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:30:58] Kerri: So every year I would have a [00:31:00] two-day seminar, uh, in Los Angeles, and then we combined it with the California District Attorneys Association. So we had this huge seminar every single year. It was amazing.

[00:31:10] Kerri: Uh, and those are the people we really wanted to talk to was, like- All the DAs … the district attorneys. Yeah. But also- Oh, yeah … like, first responders, like, meaning police. Uh, there were, um, elder abuse units there, like, where we talked to them, and we showed a film, ’cause people didn’t really get… We did this for years and, like, the, the victims got it.

[00:31:28] Kerri: But really to understand the gravity of the situation, we showed a film called The Guardian. 

[00:31:34] Hmm. 

[00:31:35] Kerri: And after we showed that film to a few hundred people from around the country, we started getting bills passed right and left. People understood it. “Oh, my gosh.” Hmm. “We see what you’re talking about.” And then you saw- 

[00:31:48] Aaron: I guess that’s a, a, a film that has a similar scenario occur?

[00:31:52] Kerri: It is. It’s, it’s, um, it’s a film about

[00:31:59] Kerri: A guardian who [00:32:00] decided to put all these people in guardianship that didn’t need it and steal their homes, steal their money, uh, kill them. 

[00:32:05] Brad: Wow. 

[00:32:06] Kerri: Mm. She’s in jail now. Based 

[00:32:07] Aaron: on a true 

[00:32:08] Kerri: story? It’s a true story. It’s a documentary. Wow. It’s a documentary, 

[00:32:11] Aaron: yeah. Okay, so we’ll put a link- Yeah … down below. 

[00:32:13] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:32:14] Aaron: Yeah.

[00:32:14] Aaron: You guys watch it, and th- it doesn’t hurt to just take a film of any- anyone who’s getting of any age, any parent, any uncle, any whoever. 

[00:32:21] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:22] Aaron: And do, do what she says. Just take it… I mean, I’ll do it. Like, just- 

[00:32:25] Kerri: It’s 

[00:32:25] Aaron: very- … here you go, and just have it in, because it takes- Yeah … what, 10 minutes? 

[00:32:30] Yeah. 

[00:32:30] Aaron: Or whatever it is.

[00:32:30] Aaron: Yeah. You know, maybe get the people together and, and it’s preventative. 

[00:32:34] Kerri: Yes, it is. 

[00:32:34] Aaron: Right? That, that’s, that’s- Yeah … that’s a huge thing, ’cause once you have that, you’re prepared for- Yeah … an eventuality. 

[00:32:39] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:32:40] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:32:40] Kerri: And, and also don’t feed questions to mom or dad. Let them speak on their own. You can talk to them before, “Hey, look, this is what we need you to say.”

[00:32:46] Kerri: Mm. “But we don’t wanna be like, ‘Hey, Mom, uh, are, do you, who do you wanna see?’” N- you know, like you want, you want it to sound like it’s coming from them. Fully their 

[00:32:53] Brad: origination. 

[00:32:54] Kerri: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, also, you know, if you are getting [00:33:00] visits with Mom and Dad and they’re getting less and less and less, start filming the d- visits, but get the permission- Mm

[00:33:06] Kerri: from Mom or Dad. 

[00:33:07] Brad: Mm. 

[00:33:07] Kerri: And start filming what they want, what they need, you know? So, um- It’s a scary situation, and it’s very hard. And I still get tons of emails and DMs and letters to this day. And you can’t help everybody, and it’s so heartbreaking. But if we go federally and we get a federal law, we have the bill in 22 states.

[00:33:31] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:33] Kerri: Right. So I’ve been to most- Not the 

[00:33:34] Aaron: watered-down bill, the good bill. Yeah. 

[00:33:35] Kerri: Good bills. Some are watered down, some are not, depending on the state. Yeah. Texas is great. 

[00:33:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:33:40] Kerri: Iowa is great. Um, and then you have- 

[00:33:42] Brad: And, and the state is the most important until they cross state lines, and then it’s the federal law that comes into play.

[00:33:47] Kerri: There is no federal law yet. 

[00:33:48] Brad: Oh, well 

[00:33:48] Kerri: there- There is really no federal 

[00:33:49] Brad: law. Yeah, so, so nothing. So, 

[00:33:50] Aaron: so what does the bill 

[00:33:50] Kerri: do? What’s the change? There’s, there is one that was slightly watered down that had a little bit, but nothing that’s gonna stop guardians from becoming predators- Mm … and from judges. So you [00:34:00] can have a great law, but if the judge won’t adhere to it, if the judge is like, “Nah, no, we’re gonna do this,” what’s the point of passing the laws?

[00:34:07] Kerri: Right. Yeah, yeah. It took us years. Yeah. I mean, it took us four years to get it, um, in, oh gosh, is it Maine? Four years, four years to get it through Maine. How do you stop a bill that allows kids to see their parents? And we’re not talking about kids- Yeah, it’s crazy … who maybe have been in jail or that are violent, right?

[00:34:25] Kerri: Mm-hmm. We’re talking about just kids that… When you find a predator, I’ll tell you how you find the predator. The predator vilifies the loved ones. 

[00:34:32] Brad: Mm. 

[00:34:33] Kerri: If it’s just one person- 

[00:34:35] Aaron: Sure. 

[00:34:35] Kerri: Yeah … one person, maybe, right? But even if that person is a kid that’s not a, you know, maybe the kid wasn’t a great kid or whatever, it’s still mom and dad wanna see their kid.

[00:34:46] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:34:47] Kerri: For the most part. 

[00:34:48] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:48] Kerri: But when you start to vilify all the loved ones, you’re looking right at the predator. 

[00:34:52] Brad: Yeah. Right. 

[00:34:52] Kerri: Right there. You don’t have to go any farther. It’s that easy. 

[00:34:56] Brad: Okay, so is the… I think may- maybe we talked this before [00:35:00] we actually started filming, but the Britney Spears situation, is that a similar situation to this?

[00:35:05] Kerri: Yeah. That’s exactly what it was. They put her in a, uh, guardianship/conservatorship. Yeah, 

[00:35:12] Aaron: and, and this is, this is a, a, a psychiatrist deemed her unable to… Like, is that, is this a s- this is founded in psychiatry. 

[00:35:20] Kerri: Yeah. In, in psychiatry is, unfortunately Has a lot to do with these cases. Uh-huh. I- it’s sad. You get a psychiatrist or even just a doctor to s- to deem this person unwell, unfit.

[00:35:34] Kerri: Hmm. Boom, they can be put right into a guardianship. 

[00:35:36] Aaron: And any age. The thing is with Britney, 

[00:35:37] Kerri: she- Any age … she wasn’t- 

[00:35:38] Brad: Yeah, she’s an 

[00:35:39] Aaron: adult but- She, like- 

[00:35:40] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:35:40] Aaron: Like, what? ‘Cause she has a video with knives, now she’s no longer… Like, I, I don’t know. Like,

[00:35:48] Aaron: I don’t see anything wrong with her. Well, but I think there- You get what I’m saying? Like, it- someone has to just say, “You are bad, so you have no rights.” Like, what? Yeah. 

[00:35:53] Kerri: I think she needed help. I do. I, I, I, I do think there was a breakdown there, but help [00:36:00] is help of get this person off of drugs. Yep. Mm-hmm.

[00:36:04] Kerri: Get this person some vitamins. Mm-hmm. Get this person healthy. Mm-hmm. Get her body healthy. Get her mind healthy. Instead, they put her on a bunch of psych drugs, which made her worse. 

[00:36:12] Aaron: Yep. Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:13] Kerri: They took away her freedom. So when you put somebody in a conservatorship/guardianship, y- you, you take away all their human rights.

[00:36:20] Kerri: Yeah. A dog has more rights than somebody in a guardianship. Right. Yeah. Seriously. It’s scary. It’s, it’s horrifying. And if you have somebody who’s predatory and criminal, you’re living in hell. Yeah. And that’s what they did to her. 

[00:36:32] Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:32] Kerri: And it was wrong. I helped with that case. There was a great, um, uh, Megan, uh, gosh, why am I blanking on her last name?

[00:36:39] Kerri: Sorry, Megan. Uh, she- … she helped put together the entire Free Britney- 

[00:36:44] Mm-hmm 

[00:36:46] Kerri: Like, crusading Campaigning Yeah, yeah Yeah. And, uh, I w- I, I went down to many of the events they had, and, uh, walked with them and, and s- stood outside of court. And, uh, and in fact, Tucker [00:37:00] Carlson, uh, called me up and was like, “Hey, would you explain this, you know, conservatorship, guardianship thing?”

[00:37:04] Kerri: I’m like, “Sure.” So I did. I, I was on Tucker for that. And then I s- I, I mean, before that I’d been on, I don’t know, 20, 30 different r- like, uh, TV programs. Mm-hmm. So people started knowing me as the, the elder abuse- 

[00:37:16] Mm-hmm, 

[00:37:16] Kerri: mm-hmm … girl. It’s like, you know. And, uh, and so I, I started just doing a lot of TV and radio on that and explaining what was going on about my dad, about Britney Spears.

[00:37:27] Kerri: Uh, Glenn Campbell, I helped him. The country star Glenn Campbell, I helped his kids get to see their dad. Um, I… There was so many, I mean, from Buzz Aldrin to, uh, oh, that famous singer, uh, B.B. King. Um, you just heard about it when it was, when it was celebrities. Yeah. But there’s thousands of people going through this.

[00:37:48] Kerri: It’s an epidemic. 

[00:37:49] Aaron: Right. Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:49] Kerri: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:37:52] Brad: Wow. 

[00:37:52] Kerri: And let me, let me just, I wanna say- This is a good go. Yeah … during this whole thing, I’m in the height of my Lyme disease. I, I, that was- So I am [00:38:00] sick, I am tired … yeah, yeah. My brain isn’t functioning. I’m like- 

[00:38:04] Brad: While you’re dealing with all this and, like, trying to, like, fight- Exactly

[00:38:07] Brad: to see your dad. 

[00:38:07] Kerri: Exactly. Oh my God. And I’m working. And I’m, and then afterward I just, I think after everything kind of, my father passed, and I just, I kind of, it got worse. It got, it broke down. ‘Cause when you have this necessity level- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … to s- you know? It’s like I got through it, I got through it, I got through it, and then I just, like, kinda went, “Wow, I’m getting sicker.”

[00:38:28] Kerri: And I remember being on air, live radio, Los Angeles, and sitting across from people and going, “I have no idea what I’m going to ask them. I can’t remember anything. I’m kinda lost.” I, I remember, uh, meeting people, knowing people, having conversations with them, completely forgetting about it, completely forgetting about plans I’ve made, people being upset with me.

[00:38:51] Kerri: Wow. Like, I’m losing my memory. 

[00:38:53] Hmm. 

[00:38:53] Kerri: And I quit everything except one show, and that was the show I did for Audible [00:39:00] called Kasem Blood, uh… It was called, um, oh my gosh, Kasem versus Kasem: Bitter Blood. And it was an entire story about what actually happened, not just me telling the story, but the caretakers, the police- Hmm

[00:39:15] Kerri: the, you know, friends, the neighbors, the, the, everybody- 

[00:39:18] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[00:39:19] Kerri: that knew what was really going on told the story. And it’s still out. It did very well, and it’s, um, now it’s released on all, uh, podcast platforms. Yeah. So I, that was the only thing I kept and did. It took me a year to make it, and then I found biomagnetic therapy.

[00:39:32] Kerri: That’s what I brought here at Fields of Wellness, and it’s fields because magnet fields. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They don’t have a frequency. They have a field. 

[00:39:38] Aaron: Hmm. 

[00:39:39] Kerri: Or gauss. 

[00:39:40] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:39:41] Kerri: No. So I have that here, and, and I’ve been very successful. It’s been two years, and I’m very proud of what I do and how many people I help, and it…

[00:39:49] Kerri: I guess it’s just me. I like to help, whether it’s, you know, doing politics or in my clinic or whatever that may be. With the 40 campaigns that we have, meaning campaigns [00:40:00] against, you know, drugs or literacy and- Mm-hmm … illiteracy and, and, uh, I like to help with… I’m a volunteer minister, so I’ve been to- Mm-hmm

[00:40:08] Kerri: tons of disasters since 2010. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:40:11] Aaron: In this whole journey and learning and, uh, how did you get into Scientology? I mean, I know you’re a Scientologist now. I’ve seen you at church, et cetera. Like, when in all this? Yeah, that’s a good question. Before? The middle? After? Like, wh- wh- 

[00:40:26] Kerri: So, um, in 2004, my friend, uh, Michael kept telling me, “You sound like a Scientologist.”

[00:40:34] Kerri: I’m like, “Well, what is Scientology?” Would somebody- Mm. I was on air, uh, on 97.1, and I remember saying, “I wanna know what Scientology is.” And I called, and I’m like, “Would somebody come on air and tell me?” Mm. I’m like, “This isn’t to be, like, mean or to be anything. I just… Please, please somebody come on.” And I, I… I mean, everybody was so nice, but nobody came on air.

[00:40:53] Kerri: And I’m like, “Please.” 

[00:40:54] Aaron: Huh. 

[00:40:55] Kerri: So I remember my- 

[00:40:57] Aaron: By the way, I’ll come on air. If you wanna [00:41:00] know- Good … about Scientology, send me a request- Yes … uh, right here on the channel. Send in a DM. I will come on any show- Yeah. Yes … and talk- Talk about it. I love that … uh, I’ve been a Scientologist since- Me too. 

[00:41:09] Kerri: I’ve 

[00:41:09] Aaron: done it too

[00:41:10] Aaron: 2007. Yeah. 

[00:41:10] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:41:11] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:41:12] Kerri: Yeah. So yeah, so, so he kept telling me. I’m like, “So tell me.” So he brought me to a field office, and, uh, and I read a little book. I picked up a little pamphlet called The Cause of Suppression. 

[00:41:24] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:41:24] Kerri: Mm. And it’s about that big, and I opened it up, and I read it, and I said-

[00:41:32] Kerri: I, I feel like somebody literally personally knows my stepmother. 

[00:41:37] Aaron: Mm. Wow. 

[00:41:39] Kerri: I’m like, “How was this written?” It, it sound like everything they say that somebody who’s antisocial, all of these, you know, I think there’s 12 characteristics- Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:52] Yep … 

[00:41:52] Kerri: she’s got most of them. That means she’s antisocial. That means she’s suppressive.

[00:41:57] Kerri: This is wha- I didn’t even know these [00:42:00] words. I’m like- 

[00:42:00] Mm-hmm … 

[00:42:00] Kerri: this is her. 

[00:42:01] Yep. 

[00:42:02] Kerri: What is this? How, how do I get more of this? Yeah. That was literally my first- 

[00:42:06] Aaron: Wow … 

[00:42:07] Kerri: foray, foray into Scientology, and then I did, um, because of how abusive she was, I had so much anger in me and so much upset. So I did auditing, which is the therapy there, and In just a few hours of that auditing was more precious to me and more helpful to me than all the therapy I had since I was eight years old.

[00:42:33] Aaron: Mm. 

[00:42:35] Kerri: And that was 20-something years ago. So I was… That was it for me. I’m like, “I’m in,” and then I- And 

[00:42:42] Aaron: how, what, what kind of therapy or what, what therapy did you have before this auditing? 

[00:42:45] Kerri: Oh, like lots of therapists, lots of counselors, you know, psychologists. Some were really sweet and fun, like Lee. Lee, um, when I was a little girl, I was eight years old, I think, eight or nine years old, and I went to, to Lee, and he was up on the hill, and he had a dog named Rabbit and a [00:43:00] motorcycle.

[00:43:00] Kerri: And we would swim in his pool, and I would sit on the back of his motorcycle, and we’d go to the, the store and get stuff. We had so much fun. And I remember him telling me, you know, “Please draw, like, what your life is like.” And I’m like, “Oh, I’m gonna draw something, like, where he thinks I’m crazy.” And I’m not kidding you.

[00:43:13] Kerri: I drew like- … this crazy person with the hair. I knew what they were doing. Like, as a kid, I’m like, “This is so stupid.” Yeah. “I’m gonna make myself look nuts.” 

[00:43:20] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:21] Kerri: I, it was like, “What is this therapy? Come on, guys.” Uh-huh. Yeah. I, as a kid, I’m like, “This is so stupid.” 

[00:43:26] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:43:27] Kerri: Yeah. But, uh, I did have some really kind people who did wanna help, some counselors that were really, really kind- Yeah

[00:43:33] Kerri: and really sweet, but nothing helped me. Mm-hmm. Nothing took the anger away. Nothing took the sadness and the grief and, and I wasn’t doing well in school, and I felt stupid, and it was just It was my, I, my childhood was, was, um, beautiful and hard at the same time. 

[00:43:49] Yeah. 

[00:43:49] Kerri: You know? So I, I wanted that anger that I, I had to go away, and I carried it through me, you know, all the way through my adulthood, and nothing could get rid of it until I went [00:44:00] through auditing.

[00:44:00] Aaron: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:44:01] Kerri: And then gone. 

[00:44:02] Aaron: Amazing. 

[00:44:03] Kerri: Yeah. It was amazing. Well, 

[00:44:04] Aaron: by the way, this booklet, Causes of Suppression, the entire contents of that is available online at http://www.scientology.org/suppression. 

[00:44:12] Brad: He knows all, he knows 

[00:44:13] Aaron: all the links. If you go there, it is actually fully available. Love that. It is for free. There’s also a video that goes along with it.

[00:44:16] Kerri: I decided I’m gonna do everything that I have not been able to do, from working out… So I started going, like, hardcore working out. I was… I’m like, “I’m going to learn how to fly a helicopter.” I’m not kidding you. Learn how to fly a helicopter. So now I fly helicopters. I have- For real? You, you- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:44:36] Kerri: Oh, wow. I learned how to fly a helicopter. Wow. I, I went and I’m, I’m like, “I’m gonna do…” Uh, I- in 1979, I saw The Black Stallion in theaters with my father, and then I saw it every single weekend in the theaters with my dad. And in one scene, this little boy is riding this big black horse on the beach, and with no arms, like, like, no…

[00:44:56] Kerri: He’s not holding on with his arms. Not no arms. That would be very- [00:45:00] He’s not using his arms. He’s, he’s… There’s no saddle, there’s no reins, and he’s just, like, doing this. 

[00:45:05] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:45:06] Kerri: And I said, “Dad, I’m gonna do that one day.” So on my Instagram, and I find a guy who rides his horse like that in Morocco. So I call the guy up.

[00:45:12] Kerri: I’m like, “Hey, um, can I come out there and ride your horse like that?” And he’s like, “Yeah, sure. Can you ride?” I’m like, “Yeah.” During COVID- … I couldn’t get the, one of the legs to get me to Morocco. So it took me a month and a half to get out there. By that time, I had 10 people wanting to go. We all went to Morocco right before my 49th birthday, and r- literally the day before my 49th birthday, I get on this horse, and I go flying down the beach.

[00:45:40] Kerri: And one ride, I’m just holding onto his mane, and I turn to the camera and I wave. And the next ride, I let go, and I’m just, like, it’s the most amazing thing. Wow. Mm-hmm. I’ve, I’m like, I still get… I still cry when I think about it. ‘Cause when you have a postulate, when you have something you want so bad and you, you put your intention towards it, took me 40-something years- Mm-hmm

[00:45:57] Kerri: but I did it. And I didn’t, I did it for me and for my [00:46:00] birthday. Wow. I put it up on my story, the one where I’m just waving. I say, “Au revoir, Morocco,” and I’m literally hauling ass on this horse, going as fast as I can down the- Yeah. Yeah … no reins, no saddle, just riding it. I put it up on my story- And people start taking it.

[00:46:18] Kerri: And I’m watching, I’m thinking this other one where I’ve let go and I’m doing this whole like cinematic thing with my arms like this, and I’m… That’s gonna go viral, which it did. This one hit a billion views. Oh. A billion views. 

[00:46:31] Aaron: What? My- 

[00:46:31] Kerri: I was literally treated like I had done a movie, like an A-lister. I had people, I had Salma Hayek follow me.

[00:46:39] Kerri: I had, um, oh God, Diplo. I had, uh, what’s that guy’s name? Usher. I had a few other people I’m not gonna name. A few other people were, were literally- 

[00:46:51] Aaron: From that- 

[00:46:51] Kerri: Yes. You 

[00:46:51] Aaron: put it up as like a reel as on Instagram? 

[00:46:53] Kerri: Um, as it was a story, ’cause I’m like, “Oh, this isn’t gonna be the one that goes viral.” 

[00:46:59] Aaron: From a story. 

[00:46:59] Kerri: [00:47:00] I had…

[00:47:01] Kerri: I still have all these screenshots of 100 million views, 100 million views, 32 million views for, and people saying that, “Oh, Punjab girl, Indian girl,” like people just stealing my video ’cause I didn’t know any better. I was like, I just threw it up there. 

[00:47:14] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:47:14] Kerri: So I, but then people started crediting me. Mm-hmm.

[00:47:17] Kerri: And I got like big accounts crediting me, and the Great Earth that had like almost 100 million views, and all these… And People started calling me like, “Hey, would you come ride my horse? Hey, would, can I do pictures with you on this horse?” Like- Would you come ride my horse? Yeah. What? Like, these are the biggest- Oh, wow

[00:47:32] Kerri: like most, like expensive horses in the world. I’d like to do a photo shoot with you. I did all these covers of magazines. I started getting sent all this stuff. What? All this horse gear, all this… And now I have a sponsor called Cavallo, which means horse in Italian. Oh. And it’s like the Uber for horses. So you put in anywhere you wanna go, anywhere you wanna ride in the world, any horse adventure you want, like go on safari with a horse- Hmm

[00:47:54] Kerri: go swimming with horses. Uh, go, you know, take a lesson with a very famous trainer to… I mean, it’s, Cavallo [00:48:00] is, if you love horses, you should be on Cavallo. It’s the most incredible thing ever. So I am- Yeah … their spokesperson. 

[00:48:05] Wow. 

[00:48:06] Kerri: Yeah. So they’ve taken me to four different continents, and I’ve ridden with them.

[00:48:08] Kerri: Oh my God. Yeah. And so I, I’ve- … I, uh, I had a very famous photographer, Brian Bowen Smith, who’s done black and whites of every major A-list star. If you go to him, you can see every star he’s ever… It’s- 

[00:48:19] Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:20] Kerri: He wrote me and he said, “I wanna let you know I’ve seen a lot of photography and film in my life. The video of you on that horse is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen.”

[00:48:28] Oh my Lord. “

[00:48:30] Kerri: And I wanna redo it with you, and I wanna shoot you.” 

[00:48:33] Hmm. 

[00:48:34] Kerri: And so I, I’m like, “Yes.” I just have to find the horse to do it, because when you get on a horse without reins or a saddle, you gotta make sure you’re not gonna get bucked off. Mm-hmm. You gotta make sure the horse is not gonna go take off.

[00:48:43] Yeah. 

[00:48:43] Kerri: And they have to be a special kind of horse. And within 10 to 20 minutes of riding a horse, I can tell you if I can take the reins and saddle off. 

[00:48:49] Wow. 

[00:48:50] Kerri: Yeah. So I’ve done that all over the world, which people are like, “You’re nuts.” Most of the time you have to know the horse. You’ve been riding- Yeah

[00:48:55] Kerri: this horse forever. 

[00:48:56] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:48:57] Kerri: No, I can, I just know they’re gonna be okay. 

[00:48:59] Brad: [00:49:00] Wait, do you have a, uh, like did you ride horses, like growing up or- 

[00:49:03] Kerri: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I, I rode my whole life. Ah. But I wasn’t riding. Uh, you know, that went through my teenage years that, riding every day and then, then I stopped. So I ride here, here and there.

[00:49:12] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:49:12] Aaron: Here’s a, here’s a, a question you, I’m sure you’ve never been asked on a podcast. Um, do you believe you’ve been riding horses for more than this life? 

[00:49:21] Kerri: Oh, yeah. 

[00:49:21] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:49:22] Kerri: Yeah, ’cause I believe, um, even before I became a Scientologist, my dad was Druze, D-R-U-Z-E. I know the Druze. Druze, yeah. So we always believe in reincarnation.

[00:49:32] Brad: Mm. Wow. 

[00:49:32] Kerri: Always. I, there was never- What, what part of the world- But also Christian- Mm-hmm … ’cause you know, like, like I’m- Yeah … they, they don’t really believe in reincarnation. Hmm. But I was raised Christian, and I was raised Druze, and I love both faiths. Uh-huh. Like love both faiths, right? And I’m very… I just, I, I think it’s, I think it’s beautiful when you have faith.

[00:49:53] Aaron: Yeah. Yes. 

[00:49:54] Kerri: And I think that there’s been so much W- [00:50:00] how do I say this? That it’s been really vilified and

[00:50:10] Kerri: And I know that there are, uh, there are– have been wars started by religion. I know there has been hatred, and I know there has been Segregation, and there’s, there’s not been a lot of good things when it comes to fanatics and people who don’t really abide by their teachings- Mm-hmm … and just think, “Well, this is what God wants me to do,” and I don’t- Right.

[00:50:33] Kerri: I understand that because I started to hate religion as a, as a young woman. Mm-hmm. It’s like they just- it’s just legal segregation. This is horrible. 

[00:50:41] Yeah. 

[00:50:42] Kerri: And then I really had a complete and utter turnaround when I became a Scientologist. I know this is gonna sound crazy, but it brought me closer to God.

[00:50:52] Brad: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:50:56] Kerri: Whatever God is to you Yeah. Mm-hmm, 

[00:50:57] Brad: mm-hmm 

[00:50:57] Kerri: Right? 

[00:50:58] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:50:59] Kerri: Yep. It brought me [00:51:00] closer to God. Yeah. I, I can’t, I cannot tell you how important I think having faith is. 

[00:51:11] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:12] Kerri: Any religion, and I think it’s beautiful. 

[00:51:15] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:16] Kerri: It’s the people who take it and use it for war, for killings, for hatred, that’s what’s hurting- 

[00:51:22] Brad: Mm-hmm

[00:51:23] Kerri: religion nowadays. 

[00:51:25] Brad: Yeah. Well, r- religion and spiritual belief in something greater than just your body. That’s right. Right? Greater than just yourself even. It’s so powerful that the reason that it’s been so misused is because it is so… It- There’s power there to be misused. 

[00:51:40] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:51:41] Brad: Right? Yeah. Like, I think that’s the thing that people miss, is they’re like, “This war, that war, this da, da, da.”

[00:51:45] Brad: And it’s like, yeah, but you’re missing the point that that person was misusing a very good thing. 

[00:51:49] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:51:50] Brad: You know? 

[00:51:50] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:51:51] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:51:51] Kerri: I think it’s beautiful. And- 

[00:51:52] Aaron: And it, and it’s, it’s a, it’s a thing called, um, intolerance. Yeah. Intolerance- Yes … of religion. ‘Cause yes, [00:52:00] religious people, p- people who say they might be religious, are fighting a, maybe a religious war, whatever.

[00:52:04] Aaron: But it’s a person saying, “I have my religion, you can’t have yours.” 

[00:52:08] Brad: Yep. 

[00:52:08] Kerri: That’s right. That’s right. 

[00:52:09] Aaron: It’s, it’s always attacking a religion. It’s not a religion saying, “Hey…” I mean, look, I’ll tell you, my, my grandmother could not be more Catholic. I mean, she is the epitome of Catholicism. Same with mine. Yeah.

[00:52:22] Aaron: Okay? And she believes in reincarnation. Her whole… Like, when I was a little kid- Wow … like, like, before I even knew about Scientology. Like- 

[00:52:27] Kerri: That’s awesome … 

[00:52:28] Aaron: she’s like, “No, no.” Like, she, she has… She says this to me, and I, I love her to pieces, okay? And, um, she tells me, “Listen, when…” This is what she says. She says, “When a person is born and they’re very good at something at a young age- This is her interpretation.

[00:52:44] Aaron: I have no idea how much truth there is to it, but very Catholic. And she says, “‘Cause that’s an old soul.” 

[00:52:49] Yes. “

[00:52:50] Aaron: That soul has been doing this thing for a long time, and someone who starts somewhere, they could- that might be a new soul.” That’s her thought. And listen, the, no one in our church said, “You’re a [00:53:00] heretic,” or nothing.

[00:53:00] Aaron: It’s like you could believe things and it doesn’t rule out, it doesn’t change the fact that- Yes … good, what if there’s this heaven? Yeah. What if there’s a hell? It doesn’t mean you couldn’t hang around in several bodies and then go to heaven- That’s right … or then go, or whatever. Mm-hmm. Like, it doesn’t have to contradict, and it doesn’t mean that, like…

[00:53:16] Aaron: And I think, love that about Scientology, which is what is true for you is true for you. Yeah. I was gonna say that. That’s so important. You- Yes. Mm-hmm. It’s so important. And the fact that Scientology, you know, there’s every religion you can, is, is in Scientology, first of all. Mm-hmm.

[00:53:30] Kerri: You can be whatever religion you want- Yes … and still study Scientology. That’s right. It doesn’t take your religion away. Mm-hmm. And he even writes that. He’s like, “Never try and change somebody’s religion.” Never. Yeah. Change no man’s religion. Ever. Right. What is true for you- Yeah … is true for you. Never, ever.

[00:53:43] Kerri: You know, uh, uh, that’s what, that’s what, unfortunately, you hear that a lot with psychologists or therapists. It’s like, “Well, it’s because this has happened to you, and this is…” If somebody’s telling you what your truth is- Mm. Mm … it’s never going to be true for you. 

[00:53:55] Aaron: That’s right. 

[00:53:55] Brad: That’s right. 

[00:53:56] Kerri: Yeah. And what Scientology does is let you figure out your truth.

[00:53:58] Aaron: Yeah. And ask you [00:54:00] to observe. 

[00:54:01] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:54:01] Aaron: Yeah. ‘Cause that’s another thing. Yeah. Like, on th- on this topic, I, I feel like people don’t understand the ideas, like how do you establish if something is true? Yes, you can believe it, but let’s say if you believe that this won’t come off, I can say, “Hey, check this out.”

[00:54:15] Aaron: And you take it off and I’ll show you, and then your belief can be changed. 

[00:54:17] Yeah. 

[00:54:18] Aaron: Your belief can be changed through observation, which is fine. 

[00:54:20] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:54:20] Aaron: But once you’ve observed something- 

[00:54:22] Mm-hmm … 

[00:54:22] Aaron: and once you believe it, don’t just… Y- you stick, you can stick with it. 

[00:54:26] Yeah. 

[00:54:26] Aaron: Right? And you believe… And, and I, and I think there’s some misunderstanding of this idea ’cause it is the most, one of the most powerful ideas, I think, in the religion, which is what is true for you is true for you, and what is true is true because you have observed it.

[00:54:39] Aaron: That’s right. That’s right. So that’s another piece. That’s right. And I’ll put the link down on that below- That’s right … so you get the full idea of the- Yes, and, 

[00:54:43] Kerri: and if I wanna- And, 

[00:54:43] Brad: and it’s up to you to keep your personal integrity in- 

[00:54:46] Kerri: That’s right … 

[00:54:47] Brad: to say what you’ve observed. 

[00:54:48] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:54:49] Brad: That’s right.

[00:54:49] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:54:49] Kerri: That’s right. And, and another thing too, if you are an atheist, that’s fine. 

[00:54:53] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:53] Kerri: Like, I, I don’t wanna, wanna say, like, if you don’t have faith, you’re, you’re… I don’t, I don’t wanna swear. You’re effed, you know? [00:55:00] It’s not. You’re not. If that’s true for you- 

[00:55:03] Brad: Yeah … 

[00:55:03] Kerri: and you’re a beautiful human being and you’re a good person, I, I judge people by, by how many times they’ve helped, by who are you helping?

[00:55:11] Brad: Yes. 

[00:55:11] Kerri: What are you doing to help? What are you doing to make this world a better place? That’s how I judge 

[00:55:16] Brad: you. 

[00:55:17] Kerri: That’s a good way. Absolutely. That’s right. And so if you’re an atheist and you don’t believe in any of it, I don’t care. Fine. Who are you now? Who’s standing in front of me? Right? So I, and I, yeah, ’cause I don’t want it to come off as, like, if you don’t have faith, you’re not a good person.

[00:55:30] Kerri: That’s not true. 

[00:55:30] Aaron: Yeah, and, and I, I think people have also changes in their life. Those wa- those time in my life, I was atheist. 

[00:55:37] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:55:38] Aaron: I don’t, I don’t- Me too … I don’t- Same. I told him. 

[00:55:39] Kerri: I 

[00:55:39] Aaron: have angry at religion. You just got, like, like- Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean- We, we, we change … yeah … and the thing is, it’s, it’s back to that observation thing when sometimes if you experience a miracle, you’re like, “This is- Yeah.

[00:55:46] Aaron: Mm … this is more than this body.” Mm-hmm. “This is more… Like, there’s something more.” 

[00:55:50] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:55:50] Aaron: And, and, and you can have that realization, and people can have the realization, and they might be, like, the opposite way, where they might believe, they might be told, they read some book or something, they believe this certain thing, [00:56:00] and that doesn’t prove to be true, and they go, “You know what?

[00:56:02] Aaron: I don’t believe in anything.” Yeah. And that’s fine. Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:04] Kerri: Yeah. ‘

[00:56:05] Aaron: Cause you might have to… That might be part of your journey. 

[00:56:08] Kerri: That’s right. 

[00:56:09] Aaron: And if that’s the end, then, and that’s, that’s fine, however it is. But anyway, okay. 

[00:56:13] Kerri: No, very true. Very true. 

[00:56:16] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:56:16] Kerri: Are we going down the rabbit hole or no? 

[00:56:18] Aaron: You, we can end 

[00:56:19] Kerri: it.

[00:56:19] Kerri: Are we gonna end it? We’re gonna end it. ‘Cause it’s like a Joe Rogan podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just, we don’t… Let’s just sit back- He’d be like, yeah … and do another two hours. 

[00:56:26] Aaron: So we had this question that we ask for everybody. Okay. Uh, we ask basically to everybody almost, um, which is, uh, in your own words, what is Scientology?

[00:56:34] Kerri: Oh, wow. Um, it’s really what, what it is, learning how to know and being able to know, and being… For me, it’s a, it’s a way of life, and it’s a way of life that is happier, more ethical- It’s lived to the fullest, and it’s done with integrity. 

[00:56:58] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:58] Kerri: And it’s something [00:57:00] that I never, ever wanna be without. 

[00:57:02] Aaron: Amazing.

[00:57:02] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:57:03] Aaron: Love that. That’s 

[00:57:03] Brad: beautiful. 

[00:57:04] Aaron: But what is your favorite course in Scientology? Oh, that’s a 

[00:57:06] Kerri: good question. Oh, course? Ooh, ooh, ooh. There’s… I’m gonna have to say two. 

[00:57:11] Aaron: Go for it. 

[00:57:12] Kerri: Because I had so much trouble studying as a kid- 

[00:57:14] Aaron: Mm-hmm … 

[00:57:14] Kerri: um, Student Hat blew my mind. Student Hat’s 

[00:57:16] Aaron: amazing. I agree. 

[00:57:18] Kerri: PTSSP changed my life.

[00:57:19] Kerri: Ah. Like, they 

[00:57:20] Aaron: both changed me. 

[00:57:21] Kerri: Yeah. PTSSP is, is getting those people like my stepmother and, like, people who are, like, energy vampires- 

[00:57:27] Aaron: Yeah. Mm-hmm … 

[00:57:28] Kerri: off of you. 

[00:57:29] Aaron: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:29] Kerri: So you don’t ever have attacks like that- Yep … again, and I had a lot of people like that around me. They are now gone. 

[00:57:35] Aaron: Great. 

[00:57:36] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:57:36] Aaron: Okay. Favorite Scientology book?

[00:57:40] Kerri: Wow. God, these are good. Um, y- I, I, I… Okay, I’m… You’re gonna understand why I’m hesitating on this. Uh, Have You Lived Before? 

[00:57:51] Aaron: Oh, Have You Lived 

[00:57:52] Kerri: Before? That’s why- You just can’t get it anymore. That’s amazing. 

[00:57:53] Aaron: Yeah. You can get it on eBay. You can get it on eBay. 

[00:57:55] Kerri: Oh, eBay. Okay, okay, okay. 

[00:57:56] Aaron: I have two 

[00:57:56] Kerri: copies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:57:56] Kerri: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that one- Yeah … and, yeah. And then, [00:58:00] then R&D 12: The Role of Earth. 

[00:58:03] Aaron: Oh. I don’t know if you can get that one. Maybe you can. I don’t know. I don’t 

[00:58:07] Kerri: ever know. I don’t know. But that, that was what got me into Scientology right after I read, um- No 

[00:58:11] Aaron: way. What? I never, I never 

[00:58:12] Kerri: read that one. So the Causes of Suppression, I read that little pamphlet and then- And then just happened to 

[00:58:16] Brad: open up the, 

[00:58:17] Kerri: the volume R&D 

[00:58:18] Brad: vols

[00:58:18] Brad: because I 

[00:58:18] Kerri: kept saying … So yeah, there’s these massive… And I kept saying- It’s Research and Development. It’s the blue ones. Yeah, yeah … “I know there’s stuff about the matrix here. I know it.” Yeah, yeah, yeah. “Where’s that stuff?” 

[00:58:25] Brad: Yeah. Wow. 

[00:58:27] Aaron: Okay, so pull that one up. Wow. I’ll 

[00:58:28] Kerri: have to do that. Oh, it’ll blow your mind.

[00:58:29] Aaron: Yeah. 

[00:58:30] Kerri: It’ll blow your mind. Wow. 

[00:58:31] Aaron: Yeah. Okay. 

[00:58:33] Kerri: It’ll… I can’t believe you haven’t read it. 

[00:58:34] Aaron: I haven’t. 

[00:58:35] Kerri: Best thing ever written by L. Ron Hubbard. 

[00:58:38] Aaron: Favorite fiction book? 

[00:58:41] Kerri: The Fountainhead. 

[00:58:42] Ooh. 

[00:58:42] Brad: Amazing book. 

[00:58:44] Kerri: It’s my favorite book. 

[00:58:45] Brad: Yeah. Amazing book. 

[00:58:45] Kerri: That and, um-

[00:58:51] Kerri: I, oh gosh, I love, uh, okay. So The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, I don’t- 

[00:58:57] Aaron: Is that the same author? Is that- Yes. 

[00:58:58] Kerri: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ayn Rand. 

[00:58:59] Brad: [00:59:00] Yeah. 

[00:59:00] Kerri: Uh, Ayn or Anne. People call her Anne, but it’s, I think her middle 

[00:59:03] Brad: name’s Ayn. There’s a monologue at the end of The Fountainhead that’s one of the most beautiful things ever written.

[00:59:05] Kerri: Hands down. Yeah. Howard Roark. 

[00:59:07] Brad: Yeah. 

[00:59:07] Kerri: He is… That, that monologue, oh yeah. 

[00:59:10] Brad: Uh-huh. 

[00:59:10] Kerri: That’s, it is- Dude, bro, you 

[00:59:11] Brad: have to, you have to read that. I will. 

[00:59:13] Kerri: No, I’m gonna- You should read, if you listen to it on Audible- Do you know, do you know how that, do you know, do you know the, the first sentence that opens up the book?

[00:59:20] Brad: Oh, that opens, no. 

[00:59:21] Kerri: That opens up, I think it’s Atlas Shrugged 

[00:59:25] Brad: That opens up Atlas Shrugged. I mean, I would, I could take a guess. Oh, no, I see. I would guess it’s Who is John Galt, but probably not. That’s 

[00:59:31] Kerri: exactly- 

[00:59:32] Brad: Oh! Come on. 

[00:59:33] Kerri: Come 

[00:59:33] Brad: on. Come 

[00:59:34] Kerri: on. Okay, that’s the f- you’re the first person to ever- Really? … come up with that.

[00:59:36] Kerri: Yeah. 

[00:59:36] Brad: That’s so easy, though. 

[00:59:37] Kerri: Yeah. That’s right. Who is John Galt? That’s another one. Thank 

[00:59:42] Brad: you. 

[00:59:43] Kerri: That’s, that’s amazing. 

[00:59:43] Brad: Thank you. 

[00:59:44] Kerri: That’s it, yeah. So those are… Ayn Rand and, and her whole, like, line of, of books. Mm-hmm. Um, but I, I, I prefer nonfiction, although those- 

[00:59:55] Brad: Those feel like nonfiction … 

[00:59:56] Kerri: those feel like nonfiction.

[00:59:57] Kerri: Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it’s kind of what’s happening right now- Mm-hmm … especially Atlas [01:00:00] Shrugged right now. Mm-hmm. I think it’s what’s going on in the world. Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:02] Aaron: Okay, favorite movie. 

[01:00:04] Kerri: Oh, wow, because I had one as a kid, which was The Black Stallion. 

[01:00:07] Aaron: Yep. Oh, of course. 

[01:00:08] Kerri: Uh, and then, um, there’s a movie called The, The Intouchables.

[01:00:16] Kerri: And I hope I’m saying that right. And it is a true story about a man who becomes… He’s very rich, and he’s v- into adventure, and he becomes paralyzed. And the caretaker… It’s a true story- Mm-hmm … but they made a movie out of it. They m- the caretaker who comes to take care of him. 

[01:00:33] Aaron: Conservatism? Conservatorship?

[01:00:34] Aaron: No. Is it like that? Is it like that 

[01:00:36] Kerri: one? No, it is the most beautiful- Oh … friendship you will ever see. Oh. 

[01:00:39] Aaron: Oh, 

[01:00:39] Kerri: I 

[01:00:39] Aaron: was like, it’s just 

[01:00:39] Kerri: the 

[01:00:39] Aaron: opposite. Oh, 

[01:00:40] Kerri: yeah. I 

[01:00:40] Brad: was like- No. It’s the o- Right? It’s how it should be. It’s- It’s how it should be. 

[01:00:44] Kerri: And I saw this film- Yeah … because I, I walked out of, uh, Paul Blart: Mall Cop-

[01:00:48] Kerri: because I, I, I can’t… I, I don’t- I can’t watch movies that are gonna waste my time. Or at like, I, 20 minutes and I’m like, “Guys, I have to go. I have to get out of here.” Mm-hmm. I was with a whole group of people. I’m like, “Let’s go. Let’s go. I can’t be here.” It was really [01:01:00] upsetting me- Mm … because I didn’t like it.

[01:01:01] Kerri: Yeah, yeah. And I’m sorry to those of you who did. I, it’s just, that was not, I couldn’t do it. We walk out, I’m like, “Let’s just go here.” And it was a foreign film. I didn’t even know it. And we all sat down, and we all came out of there changed. Wow. It was so amazing. Wow. It was so, it was like I was almost supposed to be there.

[01:01:17] Brad: Mm. 

[01:01:17] Kerri: So that’s, that’s one of my… I have so many favorite films. 

[01:01:20] Brad: And that was The Intouchables, or that was some other film you don’t remember the name of? 

[01:01:23] Kerri: That was… No, no. Um, that was The Intouchables. 

[01:01:26] Brad: Ah, yeah, yeah, 

[01:01:26] Kerri: yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then The Matrix. Yeah. Of course, The Matrix, hands down in the top three.

[01:01:32] Brad: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:32] Kerri: Um, The Color Purple was the first, the first movie I saw that I remember crying, and n- and I couldn’t stop crying. Uh, I was with my dad, with my brother and sister. I think my stepmom was actually there. And I remember breaking down in that film when the two sisters got split apart, and I just kept crying and crying, and it touched me so much.

[01:01:55] Kerri: Um, c- certain films that, that, that have that kind of [01:02:00] changes me. Gandhi changed me. 

[01:02:01] Aaron: Mm. 

[01:02:03] Kerri: Yeah. There’s, uh, there’s, there’s quite a few. I w- I actually wrote them down ’cause I was remembering them. I’m like, “Ah, I forgot, forgot that one. I forgot this one.” But so many films that, that changed my viewpoint or outlook on life or, yeah, gave me another perspective.

[01:02:18] Amazing. 

[01:02:18] Aaron: Let’s say someone wants to see you. What’s, what’s the step? What do they take to come and see you for, for some help? And, and again, I don’t know how- 

[01:02:24] Kerri: Yeah … 

[01:02:24] Aaron: like you’re not a doctor, right? 

[01:02:26] Kerri: I’m not a 

[01:02:26] Aaron: doctor. You’re 

[01:02:26] Kerri: not a 

[01:02:26] Aaron: doctor. I don’t, 

[01:02:28] Kerri: don’t, I- 

[01:02:28] Aaron: You don’t pretend to be a doctor. 

[01:02:30] Kerri: That’s right. I just play 

[01:02:30] Aaron: one on TV.

[01:02:31] Aaron: But, uh, hey, you have, uh- You what? She 

[01:02:33] Brad: said, “I just play one on TV.” Okay. Do you 

[01:02:36] Kerri: actually? 

[01:02:36] Aaron: No. Okay. 

[01:02:38] Kerri: I did play a nurse once, though. Okay, 

[01:02:39] Aaron: okay. 

[01:02:39] Kerri: In a show called Acapulco 

[01:02:41] Aaron: H.E.A.T. Okay. Um, but how does someone, like get some assistance, you know what I mean, like from you if you wanna, if they were, they’re interested in getting some sort of, um, treatments or, or- Um-

[01:02:49] Aaron: or information? Or 

[01:02:50] Kerri: where, where should someone go? Just call Field- Fields of Wellness, and that’s, uh, you can, I can put the, give you the number. It’s 727-426-0110. Uh, if you just [01:03:00] put it on a lower third right now while I’m talking or when I was talking before. Yeah, yeah. And people can call. We’re there, uh, five days a week.

[01:03:06] Kerri: We even open on the weekends as well for special circumstances. But- Cool … um, yeah, we, we, any, any chronic condition you have, we can help. 

[01:03:15] Aaron: Mm-hmm. Great. 

[01:03:16] Kerri: We can help, and we do. 

[01:03:18] Aaron: Amazing. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, Carrie, thank you so much- Very welcome … for coming on to this, uh, show and, and sharing all your stories.

[01:03:26] Aaron: Thanks. Very good. And, uh, guys, uh, follow her on social media. Uh, watch that video of the horse. 

[01:03:32] Kerri: And it’s, it’s pinned. It’s pinned. It’s- It’s pinned on my, on my Instagram. It’s pinned. 

[01:03:36] Aaron: Yeah. 

[01:03:37] Kerri: Yeah. 

[01:03:37] Aaron: And, uh, remember, don’t do nothing. Okay. 

[01:03:41] Kerri: Peace.